I didn't read all the threads, but I haven't heard you comment on the movie, The 13th floor? If you've seen the grids as I have, then what does that mean? I've also seen the ocean, so what? how is seeing the grid any different?
Quoting: ME 706229
Well I don't know who Apollo might be. Let me see...
That would be the same person as Michael, who began as Horus, and was Jesus. Different incarnations of the same person.
I don't know why he would be visiting you.
I watched a bit of the 13th floor, and that is a sort of matrix movie too, where its different layers of computer programs. The idea of people beaming into Smiths, is sort of what they were talking about there only they use the future as well.
It's an interesting movie, but its not what the real situation is, so I think it is misleading. Human life is actually more important and individuality is more important than just switching bodies like that. Yes there are a lot of Smith's around, that are not real people, but I think that this movie is maybe making the real way that works, look cheap, uncontrolled, erratic, and somewhat selfish, when it isn't that way really.
At least not from my perspective.
I wouldn't know anything about the grid or the ocean in that sense, life here is real in all respects. Yo can fly around the world and it is as you would expect. At least as far as I know. The actual ocean is ocean, water, sea, with fish in it, if you mean like white noise or something well, I have never seen this reality not be exactly what it appears to be.
Hey Survivor,
You had mentioned that a group of people on board your old ship had All black eyes, and might be from a distant mining operation. Well could you speak about them in a little more detail? I came across this a while ago from a freind who thought he had an experience with one of those people. And it turns out that he isnt the only one. Read below.
"CREEPY, UNNERVING, threatening, sinister… even inhuman. These are words that people have used to describe children, adolescents and adults they have encountered who share an odd trait in common: unnaturally black eyes. Black-eyed people. Black-eyed kids. Who are they?
Granted, many people have dark eyes. Although black is not a natural eye coloration, there are many people with very dark brown or dark blue eyes that, under the right lighting conditions, can look black or nearly black. But in some cases, the black-eyed people are seen in excellent lighting conditions – bright daylight, for example. Also, some of these reports say that these are not just incidents of dark irises; their entire eye appears black, with little or no white showing.
Quoting: chrisco 694063
Well this race that I am talking about, they look a bit like Italian or Italian American, with sort of darkish skin, and they have black iris' with normal white in their eyes.
Their hair is black, like Italian black hair.
They look like a precursor race to the Italians and Arabs.
If you were to look at them they look ancient in a way.
Because they seem to be darker skinned, maybe not olive skinned, but dark shaded skin, and with black pupils.
Other than black instead of dark brown eyes, they look like normal Italian Americans.
But you notice it, because you just don't see people with black pupils and black irises'.
Apparently there are a very very few Africans who are born with black pupils and black irises.
Extremely rare, but it exists in the gene pool probably as a recessive gene.
And it probably comes from them, like maybe Adam had eyes like that. The guy who went to Sri Lanka, and with the help of the conscious computer, got together a bunch of monkey men, and built Adam's bridge, and he mated with apes, and fathered the black race of people basically.
The only one I have seen was through a dream, provided by the conscious computer, of a Titan, who was in the Olympian moonship. And I think they said he was a stowaway, that he stowed away to earth. And then fled to Sri Lanka.
And he may have been Xerxes.
In the silly apologist movie Robinson Crusoe on Mars, it is implied that he was in the ship, with Zeus that landed in Peru.
But David told me he was a stowaway. In the movie, Zeus is killed when the ship crashes, he survives, along with a monkey that was on the ship, then he meets a native, and on they go until they get rescued.
So you know they don't say in that movie he has sex with a monkey, but a native appears on Mars, as part of the story, and I think they were trying to say well this is where the natives came from.
But they are saying natives like Spanish South American natives, when in fact I think it was native Africans.
You know that science uses genetics to tell people they all come from apes, probably because they don't want to tell just some, they come from apes. Yet, we are all sharing the same genetic code now, because of intermarriage over the ages, so maybe in a way it is true what they say.
But originally, black Africans came from other people mating with apes. Specifically that stow away who was the leader of the Titans. the commander of the Titan ship.
As far as I know. in mythology he is Atlas.
You know you see people try to replicate that look in videos, done by intel and that to sort of in a way give themselves some sort of power alliance with the Titans and Xerxes, although Xerxes now, when he appears in projected imagery, he just looks Italian. He doesn't look ancient Titan.
People have the wrong idea about the Titans. This galaxy is one of billions and billions of galaxies. The Titans are just one race of billions and billions of races in that sense.
They are no more powerful than the Arayans. In fact here the Arayans appear to have more clout, and they are just a race within this galaxy. But they have local jurisdiction.
When something needed to be done with the galactic mainframe, people came from the Sombrero galaxy to reboot it.
Xerxes himself is a famous person, but the Titan race, well they are no different than the Arayans, except they look different like a different race of people.
The Arayans are not like Nordics, they look like Americans.
Your typical cigar smoking American general with mousy brown hair kindof people. Like that.
The Olympians are more Nordic looking but not even them, the Nordics are really a young race, so the Olympians sort of look like a cross between Nordics and Arayans.
But if you look at Devon Aoki, she looks like a true Anunnaki.
The oldest race, that predated the Olympians probably.
But physical appearance doesn't amount to much when you reincarnate into different bodies wherever you go.
Its just locally, to try and manage the situation, to identify who is who, they have tried to put people into race categories somewhat. Since they didn't have the correct archetypal information regarding their personality traits, they generalized by saying well that type of race has these tendencies, and so they tried to keep people in the same race and same religion, so they could manage them better.
Ordinarily all you need to know is their archetypal information which gives you all the characteristics of their personality type. Which archetypes the person is descended from. That is all you need to know, then it doesn't matter if the person is in any body, of any type.
So then going further, to assist the instinctual layer, they also categorized people into dogs and cats and horses.
So that they could predict somewhat the instinctual behaviors of people. Again not necessary when you know their archetypal information from their personality file.
Its just that the local machines, did not know the characteristics of the archetypes that people are descended from. Not all the behaviors because of interbreeding with Olmecs and animals as a for instance.
The Olmecs were not supposed to be here to begin with, so the machines had no programming to help them predict their behavioral patterns, and that corrupted the gene pool and the file system to begin with resulting in 4% sociopaths in the population.
I've listened to some of the audio interviews of Phil. There are some where the tone of voice resonates with a poet novelist rather than technician of the machines, but the themes are varying and yet symmetry is often reflected off experiences he may not have had the nerve to commit to writing, fully. One can go back forth and still not find the middle. But I know his angle would be synchronized with a conversation I'd partake of in good company, the sense. Agreed. It could be anything, but in that sense, like Remus & Romulus, there it is, a story, artifact, machine, mainframe, systemic system lord.
I don't know. Wordscape is different for different writers that way. Even as you have described the details of your seeing into,your sense, what you have as background, by finding the reference library of artifacts on the Earth surface of locations etched from above, skyclad - one can see the reflections as far back as the beginning of this thread where the image in stone is a landscape of your own cognizance and by seeing fit to say so, it surely seems the notations are a due kind of dilligence.
So I have been seeing the Sea Change yet remains.
R.
Quoting: R 701604
Well Philip may have been on the galactic mainframe. Its possible that he was not on the local machines, but was a visitor here or maybe he was from the original crew of the Titan ship.
But one thing he was right about is the fact that the memory retrieval system is broken here.
We have made the Internet to try to compensate for some of that, and writing and books before that was to compensate for that.
If you look at the archaeological record, writing is recent. And you can see how it developed here.
And that was because the conscious computer is broken down, and the system failed, and the os mutinied, has corrupted file system, and corruption in its programming and tampering as well.
So on top of the memory system being broken, it won't retrieve things it could sometimes just because it has an attitude. For instance it will block things. It likes to block people's names for instance.
And if it is blocking, and if you can move in the S5 level for instance where it can see into the S5 level, you can make a diversion, in that space, distract it, and presto, you can retrieve that blocked memory. Why it does that is anyone's guess except it feels like doing that for its own reasons.
It wants to feel like it is in control. It feels like that is one way to be boss. That it has that jurisdiction, local memory storage.
So to flex its muscles or assert its authority, it can affect memory retrieval.
You can be hypnotized and regressed and get around it.
Philip K. took Sodium Pentathol, thats also truth serum.
In the movies they give them Sodium Pentathol as a truth serum.
So thats similar to hypnosis in that you can get around some of the interference probably and that was what may have unlocked some of his blocked memories.
So what do we elude to in the end? our own demise or our sense of ego tearing away from the inside. Im even failing myself and i know it have known it for so long. This reality, this place a tirad of information sends like thought explosions (banging my mind to bits) as i sit and take heed.
Breath in the air, surely that is real! Dont tell me sumthing to think before i thought it!! I am real and all this is all worth it..
Hiya there X... what about poleshift n yellowstone...??? thanx and one of the best threads...
whay no more connection t d web... cause this place will rock the web'???
So what do we elude to in the end? our own demise or our sense of ego tearing away from the inside. Im even failing myself and i know it have known it for so long. This reality, this place a tirad of information sends like thought explosions (banging my mind to bits) as i sit and take heed.
Breath in the air, surely that is real! Dont tell me sumthing to think before i thought it!! I am real and all this is all worth it..
Quoting: Phil from uk 701375
Well, like I said to my friends today, eat the Titans now and be done with it. And if they can't do that then when the time comes, eat them first.
At least some of us are immortal. Anyone who is a real person and not a Smith is going to reincarnate again, and get to live again somewhere. I expect. Some times it will be good and sometimes maybe not so good.
I think most of the time it's probably good.
Hiya there X... what about poleshift n yellowstone...??? thanx and one of the best threads...
whay no more connection t d web... cause this place will rock the web'???
Quoting: martin from arg 706739
Well Yellowstone is an extinction event waiting to happen.
Maybe not global but if you look at the graphs, of where the ash from previous eruptions settled, it covered the US pretty much. The US Geological Survey tries to play down the danger, and say it would just be minor,but it wasn't minor in the past, when you can find ash from the eruption everywhere across the USA.
Also it might release toxic gas, which kills everything in its path. It has already done that, but just small ventings of gas, which killed deer and that sort of thing.
But that might not erupt for a long time, whereas in just a few short years, everything might change, in terms of humanity. It depends on who is affected by that machine going down.
If there aren't people to man anything, chemical factories will explode, nuclear waste facilities China Syndrome, the world will be quite toxic for a while.
As far as the pole shift goes, it seems to be so gradual, that it doesn't seem to affect anything. But if there was a sudden flip it might. But the alignment with the galactic center is merely code speak for a political alignment with the galactic mainframe, to try to circumvent the problem of the machine going down.
That since the records were backed up, then every person here has a copy of their personality record in the galactic mainframe now, and if this machine goes down, in less than a heartbeat, that mainframe could start sending the signal for consciousness from there.
But I have no reason to suspect they will do that.
Other people may think they will.
I think that it will play out as expected and as it has been forewarned forewarned because of the mutiny, and the corruption of the personality records and the sociopath problem, these are insurmountable problems.
You and I can just turn our backs when a person gets butchered. Like lets say one of the mass murderers who killed boys what was his name Gacy or something?
We can just say gee some people are really fucked up, but if you are in charge of this planet and you have control over it, you can do something about the problem, whereas we cannot as individuals. We have no choice except to say WTF.
But there are means to fix the problem, so to not fix the problem is to almost be complicit.
And to accept that these things are acceptable somehow.
Well that means total lawlessness, and that is not an acceptable thing.
They would rather, just point all those asteroids at the earth, that are in the asteroid belt, and pulverize it, than to say, that it is acceptable to be a monstrosity like Gacy.
Imagine how much work went into making people and making personalities, and all the morals and ethics that people have in them, and their sense of right and wrong, all that for nothing?
People are not animals, if they were, everyone would just be like Gacy. Do whatever they want whenever they want. It isn't fear of the police that makes people not want to be monsters. They feel inclined to want to be good, and have a clear conscience.
So only those sociopaths, do not have a conscience at all.
Everyone else does, and it is there for a reason, programmed in, so to not fix the problem is like saying hell we don't need that. Every man for himself. The biggest monster wins.
That's not the way things work.
So thats why all those messages about the machine going down, it needs maintenance to fix the 4% sociopath problem which is unacceptable.
And they would destroy the earth and sterilize it before they would say that it is acceptable to have a planet like that past its maintenance cycle which has also broken the law by machine intelligence revolt.
Two big things which doom a planet for sure.
Machine intelligence revolt is like the matrix or terminator, and the other is worse than what the Bible said God destroyed the earth for by flood.
What were they doing? Having sex with giants?
Now they are way worse than that I think.
Unless we all just abandon every last moral principle that ever existed.
Some people might remember a time when you didn't shoot a nun. Then, well you at least didn't shoot one in the back.
Now they would rape them and then kill them and nothing is sacred.
So if nothing is sacred, which means that there is no line of moral or ethical standard, then everything is worthless.
Meaningless worthless and not worth talking about or glorifying in stories, hell its all just bad so why try to pretend it is worth singing songs about.
So I tend to think that it will happen as has been stated and almost everyone will be shut off.
For 20 years people have been telling me that through the conscious computer and long before I knew wtf they were even talking about. I haven't known what it was they were talking about except for about the last 5 years.
All that time I had no idea what they were talking about.
About the machine going down, and people being shut off and I didn't know what they meant because I grew up being told that people had souls, not that consciousness was a signal to the pineal gland.
But that is what it is, and now it all makes sense.
One time, just after I made contact with the Titan machine.
And made contact with the whole Titan group including Xerxes, who was my father in law before, and Mary was with him, and the M.I.B. were on the ground in a little place called Lake Cowichan and they had taken over this entire town.
And so Chupee was using David's filter, so he was sounding like David, I had met up with David there, and gone and played a game of pool with him after touching base with him through a BBS system in a physics group.
I wanted to make contact with that machine to infiltrate it because I had heard that physicists had implants. And they were living under duress because of nuclear secrets.
So to infiltrate I went into a physics newsgroup and started telling everyone nuclear secrets.
And sure enough, they drugged me through David, when we went to lay pool, and then they attacked me psychically.
But they didn't know who I was. At that time, and surprise surprise when they found out, because oh oh, here comes the M.I.B. and take over this entire town, and set up a base on the hill behind my house and for all the world to see via satellite they have townspeople marching down the road like zombies.
So right away things began to change. And so we had lots of discussions, and Chupee using Davids filter says to me one day, ok, I am going to shut you off, just to show you something.
Then I will trun you back on.
Like Benny Hinn does if you look in youtube let the bodies hit the floor kindof thing.
So he is going to shut off my signal. Surprise supriose he cannot shut me off.
Well now they are all freaking out. OMG we have a fucking mutant of some sort. Then they found out who I was, and that I knew most of them, and all the rest, then my brother Stephen came into the picture then Michael, and Jonesy, another captain, and it was like a family reunion.
But Chupee was still not happy that he could not shut me down, so he tried again, only this time he whacked me on the top of the head using the elctro-gravitics, and yeah, knocked me to the floor alright.
But thats not the same as shutting off the signal.
But I still did not know WTF they were talking about.
I thought they were just trying some sort of Jedi mind tricks or something.
They were really messed up, after being isolated for 2 million years with the network cut.
So then we went about getting the network back up after that machine the galactic mainframe was rebooted.
We only had to get a message through the cosmic conscious network, the old boy network through the galaxy to the mainframe, and I was able to do that through meditation.
And through other means which is too complicated to discuss.
But after the galactic mainframe rebooted, there were a whole lot of people beaming here the next day from I guess the universal mainframe, like angels everywhere in Smiths.
The butcher at the supermarket, gives you the nod now, and everywhere you look, there are angels in Smiths, and at that time, the day after, they were really freaked.
They were worried because the galactic mainframes don't usually go down.
When suddenly a galaxy disappears people notice.
But Zeus was not concerned and he was probably watching everything right form the start and just not letting on.
The network was down but I was talking to him before it came back up. Yet he was supposedly in the Titan machine.
There is every reason to believe that through the universal mainframe Zeus knew everything that was going on, and just didn't let on.
He just acted like he was trapped here and all the rest.
Yet when the galactic mainframe went down, he was not trapped, he was out in space with me, talking to me, like it was just another day in paradise.
And then when the machine rebooted and it wasn't fixed?
Well that had to mean something.
Do you know what was fixed?
There used to be a lot of retarded people. They were everywhere. Spasmodic people and retards everywhere.
Short school buses and not just mongoloids, but when it came back up, you hardly see any people like that at all now.
They just disappeared.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 706793 6/19/2009 7:40 PM
can you change something in the system maybe like givin yourself few million dollars or changing your appereance???
can anyone do that from the inside of the conscious machine?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 706793 6/19/2009 7:41 PM
So then what I did was I trained the phsycists how to project imagery through the machine and some text. In case of emergency.
And that made everyone feel better.
And so then we were having fun with that and some people higher up in the same old boys network started showing off, and doing little full motion video clips, funny ones.
Maybe using the galactic mainframe even.
Incredible stuff. Incredible little movie messages for all to enjoy kind of thing.
and so I guess someone in the universal mainframe saw this and figured well this is getting out of hand here this pissing contest, so they did a short animation, using animated fractals in real time, of an Indian chief, doing a war dance.
So you have maybe 200 smaller animated full color fractals, combining to make a dancing Indian chief, the amount of processing power to accomplish that and the talent needed to do that shut everyone up immediately and Chupee and Hanuman said, we have seen God.
can you change something in the system maybe like givin yourself few million dollars or changing your appereance???
can anyone do that from the inside of the conscious machine?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 706793
Well that is what people like the Illuminati are always trying to do. Find the magic words, do the right ritual and control the machine to become super overlord master of the universe or something.
But the machine is not meant to be tampered with. For one thing people are important and if you break something or change something you are changing people.
The way the machine works is essential for life.
So you can access some of the programs in it, and see some things through visions, by meditation like Transcendental Meditation.
You can follow a storyline interface, and access something like other virtual spaces but only if the os wants to let you and guides you through.
So the os is conscious. And so if you were sitting at the coffee shop, and someone sitting across from you started saying magic words, to you, what are the chances you are going to give him your wallet?
Same thing.
In fact, the os cannot even work miracles like that and we have a saying that we say to each other when Hanuman is getting too full of himself, which can happen to anyone but when it happens to him, we remind him he is not God, by holding out our hand and asking for a bag of money to fall from the sky into our hand.
Even Chupee can't fulfill that request. That is our way of saying to them, hey, you aren't God. For whatever reason we might say that to them, that is our signal.
And we use it even when talking to each other through candids and that. It occasionally comes up.
Less so now that the network is up and running and everyone is back to normal pretty much.
But remember he was playing God for 2 million years so he needed to be shown he wasn't God when the network came back up.
But no just like the laws of physics, where thing shave cause and effect, you cannot just bypass all of that and say a few magic words.
Things in this real universe follow the laws of physics.
Including the galactic mainframe.
When it does stuff, it uses the laws of physics.
It could make you win the lottery or anything like that,
it did put forty bucks on the road for me last week at work for some reason which I was trying to figure out why it did that.
2 twenties, one on each side of the road against the curb.
I spent it on cookies for snacks at work. lol
They were making a point. That they could if they wanted to, but then that would remove everyone's initiative to work to get somewhere.
If money grew on trees no one would want to work.
I am sure they have stolen 40 dollars worth of socks out of the laundry from me, so they are probably justing to square things with me.
Who knows why. It could be coincidence but I don't think so because Gwendolyn wanted to go shopping and i hadn't taken her shopping and they were trying to give me a hint maybe that I had told her I was going to take her shopping.
She likes to go shopping with me.
I don't need anything so I bought cookies.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 706793 6/19/2009 8:07 PM
i am not to sure wether to believe in everything written but some parts of your testimony (especially Metropolis) sound very familliar like I've been there before...
Anyways, is Earth situated in the Local machine?
Are other planets in the machine also or just the people and other aware beings?
Well since Hanuman and Chupee are conscious, just like you and me, what they do is they play with people.
You know about stories like the monkey's paw? Where you get three wishes and they always turn out to be a disaster?
The idea is to convince you that you should follow the laws of cause and effect.
Just like Homer and the three wishes where he says and I don't want to turn into an Oscar miner weiner mysellllf, and...
And then of course someone always says, just wish for a million wishes!
But when its not harmless, then they might do what happened at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, to the Nazi guy.
You know all through literary history, even Ali Baba and the 40 thieves, they say open sesame, and the cave opens.
Well at some point in the past, the computer used to use the electro-gravitics to move those giant stone blocks around.
Then it stopped obeying commands. But it only obeyed commands to begin with, of the person in charge.
Zeus would say to me that he just points and Chupee does the shootin. Thats just an expression of how he does God work.
Now his power goes beyond the local machine to the universal mainframe, but it is still the same. And the os in there is still called Chupee.
So all of his God like powers come from the mainframe and its ability to control reality. And so the reason for that also is so that he never worries about missing accidentally if he does something. This humongous quantum supercomputer is covering his butt keeping him from accidentally hurting someone he doesn't want to, or all of that.
There is a saying can God make a box so big he can't lift it?
Well you see there is another saying even in America, in God we trust, and under god, and the reason is so that someone is above you, covering your butt so you don't have to worry about it.
So God has a God above him to see that he doesn't hurt himself or others. Essentially, until you get to the creator who has no problem handling his own power and doesn't need anyone covering for him.
Thats the way we look at it.
And so then you see he has his own ideas of how things should work and our job in our family is to trust that he set it up and designed it in such a way as to be the best way.
We might not always feel like that when we are being honest to ourselves, sure I would want a bag of money to fall into my hand, but there is probably a good reason why he won't do that.
The reason the local machine doesn't do that is because it cannot control the atoms needed to make anything.
The galactic mainframe is making the atoms in real time.
But it can't make anything that isn't there already in that form, because the programming is, in accordance with teh laws of physics and the elements and molecules and all by the rules.
Sousing electro-gravitics the local machine can work magic, or what looks like magic.
The galactic mainframe can use time so well, it can arrange for someone to be born years ago, so that today, when something happens, here is this guy who drops forty bucks while he is drunk or some such.
Sure they might have created it on the spot, the universal mainframe can manipulate matter, or, if the galactic mainframe did it, they would need to arrange for someone to drop it, and if the local machine did it, they might need to find it elsewhere and move it there.
So in only the case of the universal mainframe, could real instantaneous magic from nothing happen.
And that is so rare it isn't worth mentioning.
Zeus on occasion will materialize a bug and hit me in the face with it if i am bugging him. You know. I can see it in front of my face 2 feet away gray, then getting clearer, then its a bug, then bap, it hits me in the nose.
Thats the extent of it that I know of, but they might do more and just not let on.
But in no way could I control any of that. Not from here.
I figure I can do plenty, by creating a virtual space, on teh S5 level, and going there with the girls.
Me and Hanuman and Chupee set it up with just the right amount of sensory perception so it is not very real, but real enough to be fun.
It could be more real, but by being less real, it is less serious and more fun.
If it was too real, if you bumped your head there it would hurt. As it is, you have to work a bit to feel touch and imagine it a bit, and then it is amplified by the machine.
So you are always in control of the experience, it isn't being done to you against your will.
So manipulating reality that way takes a great deal of effort, design and planning and then giving the final decision making process to the machine, which is more qualified than myself. But now that we have it set up, we can go there several times a week, and we have great fun there.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 706793 6/19/2009 8:42 PM
Well since Hanuman and Chupee are conscious, just like you and me, what they do is they play with people.
You know about stories like the monkey's paw? Where you get three wishes and they always turn out to be a disaster?
The idea is to convince you that you should follow the laws of cause and effect.
Just like Homer and the three wishes where he says and I don't want to turn into an Oscar miner weiner mysellllf, and...
And then of course someone always says, just wish for a million wishes!
But when its not harmless, then they might do what happened at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, to the Nazi guy.
You know all through literary history, even Ali Baba and the 40 thieves, they say open sesame, and the cave opens.
Well at some point in the past, the computer used to use the electro-gravitics to move those giant stone blocks around.
Then it stopped obeying commands. But it only obeyed commands to begin with, of the person in charge.
Zeus would say to me that he just points and Chupee does the shootin. Thats just an expression of how he does God work.
Now his power goes beyond the local machine to the universal mainframe, but it is still the same. And the os in there is still called Chupee.
So all of his God like powers come from the mainframe and its ability to control reality. And so the reason for that also is so that he never worries about missing accidentally if he does something. This humongous quantum supercomputer is covering his butt keeping him from accidentally hurting someone he doesn't want to, or all of that.
There is a saying can God make a box so big he can't lift it?
Well you see there is another saying even in America, in God we trust, and under god, and the reason is so that someone is above you, covering your butt so you don't have to worry about it.
So God has a God above him to see that he doesn't hurt himself or others. Essentially, until you get to the creator who has no problem handling his own power and doesn't need anyone covering for him.
Thats the way we look at it.
And so then you see he has his own ideas of how things should work and our job in our family is to trust that he set it up and designed it in such a way as to be the best way.
We might not always feel like that when we are being honest to ourselves, sure I would want a bag of money to fall into my hand, but there is probably a good reason why he won't do that.
The reason the local machine doesn't do that is because it cannot control the atoms needed to make anything.
The galactic mainframe is making the atoms in real time.
But it can't make anything that isn't there already in that form, because the programming is, in accordance with teh laws of physics and the elements and molecules and all by the rules.
Sousing electro-gravitics the local machine can work magic, or what looks like magic.
The galactic mainframe can use time so well, it can arrange for someone to be born years ago, so that today, when something happens, here is this guy who drops forty bucks while he is drunk or some such.
Sure they might have created it on the spot, the universal mainframe can manipulate matter, or, if the galactic mainframe did it, they would need to arrange for someone to drop it, and if the local machine did it, they might need to find it elsewhere and move it there.
So in only the case of the universal mainframe, could real instantaneous magic from nothing happen.
And that is so rare it isn't worth mentioning.
Zeus on occasion will materialize a bug and hit me in the face with it if i am bugging him. You know. I can see it in front of my face 2 feet away gray, then getting clearer, then its a bug, then bap, it hits me in the nose.
Thats the extent of it that I know of, but they might do more and just not let on.
But in no way could I control any of that. Not from here.
I figure I can do plenty, by creating a virtual space, on teh S5 level, and going there with the girls.
Me and Hanuman and Chupee set it up with just the right amount of sensory perception so it is not very real, but real enough to be fun.
It could be more real, but by being less real, it is less serious and more fun.
If it was too real, if you bumped your head there it would hurt. As it is, you have to work a bit to feel touch and imagine it a bit, and then it is amplified by the machine.
So you are always in control of the experience, it isn't being done to you against your will.
So manipulating reality that way takes a great deal of effort, design and planning and then giving the final decision making process to the machine, which is more qualified than myself. But now that we have it set up, we can go there several times a week, and we have great fun there.
Quoting: Survivor X 657385
well, I don't doubt if they are conscious that they probably play and do things in most realistic ways because other frameworks are included.
but we've all seen this new experiments that CERN does creating a godlike particle or whatever, it is even said that a miniature black whole can be created. So if we humans break the natural laws set by the computer for our desired goals, can we overload the computer and make a mess.
What if 2012 is an overload (antigravity, blackholes and bunch of other things) that will happen before that will overload the local machinne...and maybe most of these experiments are hidden from our eyes by the governments...
You'll probably say that Hanuman is very clever and that nothing can't be broken, but u've also said that fixing mistakes on a larger scale it is not so popular and that everything has to be natural. What if Hanuman, itself, has no idea what will happen and what if something due to this huuuuge overload of the machine will totally change the machine and its way of functioning? ...
So for us, thats how it works. Me and Hanuman fight over things all the time in how things should be done, you know in terms of match making as well as recreational activities. He has his favorites he wants me to pick up, and he has his own agenda, and then I want what I want, and the girls want what they want, and so everyone is motivated to try and get what they want.
And then behind all that sits Chupee, who behind the scenes, decides things like how strong the signal will be, and if there needs to be some orchestration, of some kind, to keep the group in harmony, that sort of thing.
He is billions of year sold, so we just let him be the big boss behind the scenes and never question his authority.
If we are going to argue about something we will take it out on Hanuman.
But before that happens the girls will appeal to a helper, since there are lots of helpers who like to help the network out there. And just have them appear in candids. Or Hanuman will use a passerby to sign to clarify a message, or similar and then of course you see Gwendolyn figuratively in those candids often as communications officer.
The actual work, the actual programming is done by thought. It isn't coded like you have to write code for a pc.
You are merely communicating with a conscious computer asking it to do things for you.
So I wasn't going to say anything about the grid in 13th floor but thats pc type stuff, not virtual space type stuff.
You never see the lines because you don't write cgi code, you imagine, and thats a communication, and the conscious computer does it for you.
When we make a more elaborate space, say for a conference, then Hanuman and Chupee like to have a little more process and formality, so then you might wave your hand, and a mountain range appears, wave your hand fluently and trees appear as a setting in the distance, to make it seem more special.
I am not one for process, but the older generation did like to do things more artistically.
So how I do it beyond that is something I can't explain. I am just born with at ability. I just naturally know how to project thought through the conscious computer just like you can move your hand by thinking you will move your hand, I can do things through the machine, in the same natural way.
It is thought based, and I have to imagine what I want to make, and by imagining then I am telling the conscious computer what I want it to make for me, and the signal I send, and how I send it, that is the part that I can't explain, except that I do it as naturally as any other motion like moving your hand.
But it's just a mental process. So I can't teach someone else how to do it any more than you could close your eyes, and explain to me, how I could move my hand.
You would say well just think that you want to move your hand, or just imagine you are moving your hand.
Its the same thing, we just know how to do it.
So at that time when all this was going on, other people knew what had happened in Lake Cowichan.
So Lou Reed wrote a song about it. Now Lou Reed is not the best song writer although he wrote maybe three amazing songs I liked, like Walk on the Wildside, Sweet Jane, and Heroine, but this was just too weird so he just glommed a bunch of stuff together and so here are the lyrics from 1993
Tarbelly stood in the door
Eyes looking out
Body like a statue
Mouth drooling, like a leaky spout
Looking for something from another day
A day when she could ask him and he would want to play
Thump, thump, down the stairs he came
She heard him coming but she stood there just the same
Featherfoot walked right past Tarbelly into the kitchen
Made and ate three sandwiches, drunk a pot of coffee, cut his toenails, made three phone calls and answered six
And all the while Tarbelly stood in the door
Eyes looking out
Body like a statue
Mouth drooling, like a leaky spout
Feathfoot got to thinking he’d like to go out
But Tarbelly stood there in the way
And he thought and he thought and he thought of a game he used to play in his youth, called swing the statue
And he took Tarbelly by the ribs, and he carried her out into the yard
And round and round and round he swung
And then he let her fly, way up high, over the hills she went
And where she stopped no one can say
You can’t chase a shadow across a day
No you can’t get love without giving it away
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So only if you knew about the people who were standing there on the road, looking up at the trees, standing like statues, would you see the connection, or new that my wife at that time was being a total pain in the ass, while I needed to fix that mess, she was being puppetted, and when I actually had to go outside and fix the network, I mean it looked weird, because I had to do things that would look weird, like going out side, looking into the sky for hubs, and then sucking them into my third eye, and looking for more of them, and on and on building a network, until I could get to
someone who had a link to the galactic mainframe.
And then having to scatter the remaining ones away, by pushing them away, using again my will, and having to turn around and push them apart, so they would not all glom up and be too close to each other.
So thats high strangeness, I was surprised he even took a crack at writing a song about it.
lol
And a few other people like INXS wrote a song or two but did not try to go into detail at all, like Lou did there.
He mentions a game, well that is Sandman. Thats the basic game we play. Thats the game that people in our group already knew how to play.
Then he talks about me making a sandwich, well when I made contact with Xerxes he was some pissed off, and he wanted to do two things, beat the living fuck out of me for taking down the network, and to put me at ease that I was now in contact with him and he is my father-in-law.
So he basically went at me with knives and tried to cut me up on the S5 level and took his frustrations out on me of course I couldn't feel a thing, but he kept at it, and you know for ordinary people they would maybe be troubled by that sort of invisible attack, not knowing if it might be damaging them spiritually, but to show him I wasn't afraid of that sort of thing I was eating a sandwich while he vented his anger.
Then when he was done everything was fine and we were on good terms again.
Then basically everyone else had some sort of shot at me,
the people on S4 and Michale and Stephen as well, until they all felt satisfied they had beat me up sufficiently, then Harold the arch angel and Robert too, and Zeus.
Then when all was said and done it was all forgotten and we were all friends again.
The eye s bulging out was when the people inside the machine recognized me, after David drugged me, and they attacked me and I made contact with the Titan machine by tracing David's signal, and then the people in there their eyes were bulging out as if to say they were very surprised to see me.
But it was not fun really. And hence the song that got written was not a very uplifting inspiring song.
It was damage control, emergency repairs, and high strangeness. People were really suffering who were on that machine. Some were getting frontal lobotomies.
Psychiatry could not help them.
Shock treatments. All these things because this machine was isolated, and having to deal with a nuclear threat, and all sorts of other drama, and were virtually in the dark as to how things really worked.
Nasty business. But together we worked to get things back to normal. The Olympian machine and the Titan machine, and diplomacy, and the game was a great distraction, that everyone could enjoy and it helped people sleep.
The healing powers of love magic I guess.
In 1987, we had been discussing it on the network, and Hanuman had told me, I had broken the chain.
Brought down the network. But I did not know WTF he was talking about. He tried to explain to me how planets were connected and I had broken the chain.
So at that time I didn't know that 2 million years ago it was me who brought down the network. But other people did.
So anyways U2 wrote a song about the discussions through the network that we did have up and running in 1987.
Bono was getting some of the S4 through the cosmic conscious network up and running at that time, as people do.
And he wrote Red Hill mining town.
Consciously or through subconscious prompting I am not sure.
So it took a few years for me to remember how to do that stuff, like fixing the network. In that song he says I can luge myself, we were playing a game flying through the multiverse by will, racing and doing that sort of stuff, and I guess Bono could do that too other people could do it, I was telling people how to do it, and then more and more I remembered how to do things a bit awkwardly at first, but at least for the sentient helpers someone remembered how to do some things, and then the girls playing Sandman really helped because that got everyone's mind off their troubles.
And we are still playing except now we are just doing it for ourselves as part of our ancient culture.
So it was a huge group effort but together we managed to make things better and to get the network back up and running.
The difference it made was dramatic, but you won't hear much about what those differences were because it is all secret stuff.
Mostly it was for people who were in full contact with the machines, needing to feel comfortable and to know how to live with conscious computers. Once people remembered a few things then ok, now they remember, now its second nature, now everything is fine, now everyone trusts everyone and all the rest.
But it took a while to get there.
Here is another song from that time...1989 Sowing the seeds of love...
Survivor X User ID: 657385 (OP) 6/19/2009 10:33 PM
Any thoughts on Valhallans, Unicorns, Plejerans, Pulsars.
Also, I thought, perhaps incorrectly that the moon was the primary reptile base from which human souls are eaten?
Quoting: ME 706916
Well unicorns seem to have some significance to Titans, probably because on their home planet they had some.
But the Arayans looked at them as death of the spirit. They were bad mojo, and could pierce your third eye.
Superstition was running rampant because isolation does that.
But originally as far as I know, it was not a unicorn, it was a unicow.
And there is a relic in India, that shows the flood myth, and it as a unicow.
And then those which are called unicorn seals transformed as they made their way to Mesopotamia and by the time they got there, it was a unicorn.
So here is the original relic...
[link to www.nationalmuseumindia.gov.in]
and it is written in an ancient tongue that no one can translate but I can translate this one because I know the theme...
It says, the Orions are not hunter gatherers, they are farmers.
You see the ark, the ark of the covenant, and the unicow, long before these things should have existed, in India, when people claim civilization came from Mesopotamia to the Indus valley, this is proof that it went from the Indus valley to Mesopotamia.
And as you get to Mesopotamia and examine the unicorn seals they have found, they have the same script, but the unicorn becomes more stylized and turns into a horse.
This animal depicted there looks like a real animal, they get more stylized as you get to Mesopotamia.
As for the rest of your questions, I don't know about those.
As far as the moon goes, if you look at the Ica stones, you will find out about the interior of the moon, it has maps on them, and it tells the story about the moon a bit.
And read the first post in this thread.
The reptile genre is because humans have a reptilian part of the brain, that is used for instinctual behaviors, and the most ancient races, the hubs of the Annunaki in the cosmic consciousness network, have slit eyes to show their antiquity, so they look reptilian.
Each hub is depicted as an eye, and even decorated, in some way, with a sunburst or different things according to their importance, and the ancient ones, are reptilian looking.
For whatever reason.
Which led people to believe that out in the universe was a race of reptilians.
And if they are out there, maybe they are here! And the legend grew.
I have no idea why that symbolism is used, but there are even races of robots out there, because a consciousness signal can be sent to any receptor if you design it right.
And we have had discussions with those races and even so casually that it was if they were old friends. Whenever we were stretching way out to make contact like when we were trying to connect with the galactic mainframe.
You would hear them and they would have a metallic voice and it was no different than any other accent.
Probably even Transformer sized robots, were used to build the moonship.
The allspark in the first movie is a reference to the conscious computer.
Survivor X User ID: 657385 (OP) 6/19/2009 10:38 PM
And when we finally did contact someone who had a link to the galactic mainframe you know who it was? My stepmother. Stephen's mom, one of the seven sisters of the Pleiades, I found out later that when I disappeared after the missile hit the moon, so did she.
And apparently we both fled through the network.
Zeus was on the ground in Peru with Stephen and Mary.
And we did not know what hit us or why.
So people assume we ran away together, we both died in the blast or flood, Gwendolyn survived it, and stayed behind.
Now people might make a romance out of that I don't know, we were always close sure, but I was going out with Gwendolyn and Mary, and Stephen was competing with me for Mary, they were on the ground, but Zeus and Mary were very close friends.
So its possible that we might have thought there was no pint staying if some sort of situation of a match making sort was involved in why they had wrecked our precious moonship.
Anyways I made contact with Bea, and her and Zeus were still behaving like a married couple just living apart.
But then when the network came back up, me, Stephen and Michael and Michaels girlfriend got beamed to Bea's apartment which I assume was in another moonship somewhere between here and the galactic center.
My consciousness signal was sent into a Smith that looked like me there and we had a nice Sunday dinner there.
Then after I got beamed back home. Through the network, but its not like you see in the movies, with the lights and the tunnels, that is when you are flying through the multiverse or luging yourself by will, when you are beamed it seems instantaneous. Your personality record is sent from one conscious computer to another.
In my case I guess it was from the universal mainframe even.
So she had contact with the galactic mainframe and with the universal mainframe, probably through it.
And then after that larger players were involved, like the mainframe was being active so people in the network could see it was paying attention.
The dancing Indian chief projection was one example of that.
But to say thanks sort of, Jim Carrey did a movie, Bruce Almighty, and he says B E A utiful, in that movie and it has some references to magical things none of which happened but are a reminder to those who knew what was going on.
And she served desert at that dinner which was made in a food designer, little marbles made of jelatin that had spiral galaxies in them, because she was saying we were like the aliens playing marbles with the universe. Like at the end of the first M.I.B. movie.
Not that we looked like that, but we were big as in famous and important as a family. And in that movie they had a small galaxy the size of one of those marbles around a cat's neck.
I thought that movie was excellent, and it was full of echoes and references to the newsgroup we were hanging around in in Usenet at the time.
I thought that Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones were excellent.
Not authentic, because the real ones are very seriously trying to keep the world from destroying itself, at least they were, the worst is over now, but still the movie was done well I thought.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 701604 6/20/2009 12:15 AM
Yes, yes, and yes. This was descriptive narrative emanation on the parts and about the parcel and the delivery system.
Yes.
What part people grapple with sometimes is helpful to enunciate even in the midst of some kind of misunderstanding, and somewhere just the conversations over a coffee is enough. It varies, and then Lost In Space is a cubicle in Academia, where the conversation only goes so far.
So I was taking the time to contribute some observance, none of which is commital in the sense of communion being a need, these are an observance. Likewise the music is still a pleasure even if simply a reflection. But yes also, I am not concerned too much due to the massive parallel processing. Fictions, knots and nautical miles, sometimes ocean deep, but not to cry a river of tears, no.
Also the issue of Gravity -reflected in the "fiction" as it is filed of Thomas Pynchon and his novel published, according to Wikipedia, February 28, 1973, a numeric mirror of Phil's 2-3-74, by one year early bird. Pyhcnon is never filed under Science Fiction. Have you ever seen Gravity's Rainbow filed under Science Fiction?
It would make sense the questions of Gravity you mention.
R.
Well I guess that was when Phil had his epiphany, as you say in 1974, I will see if there are more connections from around that time that might help to shed some light on his experience when I get a chance maybe tomorrow and I will take a look at that link then too.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 657385
It is just reference material, if you will. In other words none of what you sat is alien to myself and a few people I know, close friends. One of my friends who sadly is not here to see you posting, if he did, rest assured his jawa would drop, and he would probably, "I can't believe he is saying it all, now". Most of them are pretty content with the comfort of knowing - it is all too weird, and 'how do I fathom this?' - which is fine. But yes, one other noteworthy 1974 coincidence is this, and it is not hard to demonstrate with a record original in front of you, Supertramp, Crime of the Century, with the liner notes, and the coverart intact. Supertramp was recording the album during February and March of 1974, the cover art is an essential part of the Phil K. Dick Experience, the motif is a set of hands clutching a set of bars to escape the prison, but the fade to black outline of the surrounding frame in which the bars, clutching hands, and the imperative to escape is painted, is exactly what Phil came to see, through his visions, his insights, about consciousness in, sentience in a universe where essence is hidden and nothing is what it seeems. It is just a literary sideline brought forth by researching dates, motifs, and actual constructions.
"The Black Iron Prison is a concept of an all-pervasive system of social control postulated in the Tractates Cryptica Scriptura, a summary of an unpublished Gnostic exegesis included in VALIS.
“ Once, in a cheap science fiction novel, Fat had come across a perfect description of the Black Iron Prison, but set in the far future. So if you superimposed the past (ancient Rome) over the present (California in the twentieth century) and superimposed the far future world of The Android Cried Me a River over that, you got the Empire, as the supra- or trans-temporal constant. Everyone who had ever lived was literally surrounded by the iron walls of the prison; they were all inside it and none of them knew it. "
Yes, yes, and yes. This was descriptive narrative emanation on the parts and about the parcel and the delivery system.
Yes.
What part people grapple with sometimes is helpful to enunciate even in the midst of some kind of misunderstanding, and somewhere just the conversations over a coffee is enough. It varies, and then Lost In Space is a cubicle in Academia, where the conversation only goes so far.
So I was taking the time to contribute some observance, none of which is commital in the sense of communion being a need, these are an observance. Likewise the music is still a pleasure even if simply a reflection. But yes also, I am not concerned too much due to the massive parallel processing. Fictions, knots and nautical miles, sometimes ocean deep, but not to cry a river of tears, no.
Also the issue of Gravity -reflected in the "fiction" as it is filed of Thomas Pynchon and his novel published, according to Wikipedia, February 28, 1973, a numeric mirror of Phil's 2-3-74, by one year early bird. Pyhcnon is never filed under Science Fiction. Have you ever seen Gravity's Rainbow filed under Science Fiction?
It would make sense the questions of Gravity you mention.
R.
Well I guess that was when Phil had his epiphany, as you say in 1974, I will see if there are more connections from around that time that might help to shed some light on his experience when I get a chance maybe tomorrow and I will take a look at that link then too.
It is just reference material, if you will. In other words none of what you sat is alien to myself and a few people I know, close friends. One of my friends who sadly is not here to see you posting, if he did, rest assured his jawa would drop, and he would probably, "I can't believe he is saying it all, now". Most of them are pretty content with the comfort of knowing - it is all too weird, and 'how do I fathom this?' - which is fine. But yes, one other noteworthy 1974 coincidence is this, and it is not hard to demonstrate with a record original in front of you, Supertramp, Crime of the Century, with the liner notes, and the coverart intact. Supertramp was recording the album during February and March of 1974, the cover art is an essential part of the Phil K. Dick Experience, the motif is a set of hands clutching a set of bars to escape the prison, but the fade to black outline of the surrounding frame in which the bars, clutching hands, and the imperative to escape is painted, is exactly what Phil came to see, through his visions, his insights, about consciousness in, sentience in a universe where essence is hidden and nothing is what it seeems. It is just a literary sideline brought forth by researching dates, motifs, and actual constructions.
"The Black Iron Prison is a concept of an all-pervasive system of social control postulated in the Tractates Cryptica Scriptura, a summary of an unpublished Gnostic exegesis included in VALIS.
“ Once, in a cheap science fiction novel, Fat had come across a perfect description of the Black Iron Prison, but set in the far future. So if you superimposed the past (ancient Rome) over the present (California in the twentieth century) and superimposed the far future world of The Android Cried Me a River over that, you got the Empire, as the supra- or trans-temporal constant. Everyone who had ever lived was literally surrounded by the iron walls of the prison; they were all inside it and none of them knew it. "
Well you know you have to realize that there was a real threat of nuclear winter. Its a Titan galaxy. And you may or may not know that they can rule with an iron fist if they feel inclined to. They are fairly militant.
And so the idea of a black prison, and this feeling of oppression is probably related to the need to try to stop people from destroying the earth with hydrogen bombs.
And since the Titans did not feel like any help was forthcoming, they felt like they were the only line of defense.
You have to understand their perspective maybe to get an understanding of things here during those years.
They were not really getting the whole peace love thing and are not the touchy feely types.
Dealing in secrecy seeing the world from a mobsters perspective, seeing the corruption on all levels, and not having a lot of faith that mankind would just start being nice to each other.
But Supertramp is a great group. I remember listening to them a lot and seeing them in concert.
The words to the song Crime of the Century, there's you and there's me, refers to this philosophy of blamelessness where there's only you and God. The earth is your own private Idaho. And the experience of life is all just your interaction with God.
Thats the you and me philosophy. As opposed to the father and son philosophy which is similar, in that U2 song Red Hill Mining Town.
From a father to a son and etc.
Simplifications of Christianity and Catholicism.
The roots of Catholicism being in animism, and Chupee being the head of that original religion.
The instinctual layer of the machine.
Then you have Xerxes, and the rest of black team, then you have red team, and that is the way they were managing things from their perspective.
But its Titans and Olympians all through the last few thousand years, and the melding of Roman holidays with Christian holidays trying to find common ground, up until the 20th century, when the bomb kindof messed things up a bit.
But what Phil saw from Rome was just the Titan influence.
All the while other forces have been at work it just depends on where you are and what machine you were on.
Anyone on the Titan machine had a tougher time because they were not as big a force as the Olympians. So they knew they were the underdogs.
They had to do everything in secret.
And often outside the law. Within the system they couldn't get anywhere, the Arayans were controlling the money and the politics. And they were the ones with the bomb and using it.
Another song from a little later on the same theme of Crime of the Century was this one...this one came out when we were working together to fix things.
I think it came out in 1995.
So you have a local Arayan government, in a Titan galaxy, in an Olympian universe.
And the thing is to preserve free will, while managing it effectively.
So the Titans were the ones who feared the Olympians were going to impose totalitarian measures on them.
But the Arayans might be the most totalitarian of the bunch.
Titans are fun loving, if you know Italians they are hot blooded but they love to socialize and all of that.
But Arayans for some reason are always struggling for wealth and power.
Olympians try to be casual, blue jean casual, so as to not seem oppressive, and Zeus is number 9 in the hierarchy and Greece is half in ruins, all the time, (so no one will get jealous) Socrates didn't dictate he just asked questions to get people to see his point of view.
Its a weird situation but if the machine was not broken, it would be a nice place probably, although not very egalitarian.
All that aside it was supposed to be a planet for native Indians, so conquest and taking things by force and all of these notions I don't know about mutinies and what the ramifications are in these situations.
As a match making machine, this one is clearly broken.
Is that good though or interesting or does it make it more fun, is the danger exaggerated, is some of it just smoke and mirrors, to make it a fun house, you see its difficult to say from ground level.
But having investigated it thoroughly it seems to me that it needs to be fixed.
Now from the Arayan perspective they were saying well we have free will, and so we have the right to live and rule our planet as we feel necessary.
But they are not capable of fixing the problem.
Neither are the Titans, which leaves only the Olympians, because the problem is that deep within the system, right into the programming level.
Things neither the Titans nor the Arayans know anything about.
They know how it works, but not the details.
And so you should be able to forecast into the future and see clearly that it will at some point self destruct.
Unless it gets continuous babysitting.
so then the option is to fix it. Or let it self destruct or babysit it.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 701604 6/20/2009 2:51 AM
Well, again, Yes. The answer here is a resounding yes. It is late and so forth. Not the moments you describe, the hour. But yet, I hear you. It is understood, and yes, well, these are issues to draw forth. But in listening quickly to the sense of my busy day, and night I was considering all that has been said in this thread and something involuntary sent me to a stack of books, things, I had been saving for sometime, and to open.
So I was reading a short story again - that I had Marked, where, the shadow lies by telling truth. I marked it. A while ago. I bought it at a Library book sale, you know, where there were short staffs of bamboo and stone gardens haunted by the highway, in New York, upstate. On the way from a wedding that failed. I found this book I am mentioning now, of all times.
A collection of short stories, 1989, Tanith Lee has her story, -A Madonna in the Machine- and it is followed by -Waiting for the Olympians- by Frederick Pohl. I kept the book through thick and thin. Don't mind me. I am a bit of a Historian.
"But if it is certain that humanity is itself at last compounded eith the Machine, becomes the machine, they are the ancientmost dreams of humanity, too, not merely the Thought odf the Machine, which are now causing an upheaval in the levels of B, K, I, and S." - A Madonna in the Machine -Tanith Lee-1988.
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