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If you haven't read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, READ IT NOW!!!!

 
Andromeda

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Andromeda, how can you even begin to think the market problems just started in the past ten years?

You are intelligent enough....

You must know that this is a decades long problem in the making, don't you?



And what in the world is your idea of "regulation gone AWOL"?!?!??!

You really mean to say that you believe govt regulation of the airlines, banking industries, auto industries, health industry, etc etc, didn't exist during the Bush years!?
 Quoting: Riker

Everything was deeply neglected during the Bush Administration: food safety in agribusiness and processed food industries, how drugs were approved and monitoring of the FDA, mortgage fraud both on the street and by banks, banking and financial products -- the SEC only investigated prominent liberals like Martha Stewart, consumer product safety totally failed to keep up with flawed Chinese imports, EPA functions and fuel efficiency so our cars could be competitive. And yeah, he let the airline business get totally out of control and way overcapacity with the small carriers, which is one reason why airlines were going bankrupt, our airspace got too overcrowded and air traffic control systems were in crisis before the recession grounded a lot of flyers.

No matter what sector of the economy you were operating in, there was some severe deterioration or worsening of quality due to lack of regulation and oversight. The failure to regulate exploitive, criminal or dangerous business behavior distorts the marketplace. If, without keeping any records, you can just dump untested, questionable food products into your pot pies when you know they come from some fly by night import export operation from China, of course you can undercut the guys who use real whole food products from proven distributors. You can't have healthy functioning markets when corruption and abuse are allowed to take root and grow.

And the whole time the Republican Congress was passing bills that were giveaways to industry, under leadership by industry lobbyists, distorting the marketplace even more. The Bankruptcy Act of 2005 was a big giveaway to mortgage bankers and credit card companies, who were anticipating the bubble bursting and got weird provisions passed that benefitted them and limited consumer protection and made Chapter 7 bankruptcy filings by consumers almost impossible. [link to www.cch.com]

The Bush Administration laid American on her back and spread her legs for corporate and financial raping. We know about the financial and banking sector problems, but only the MSM version of it, which is whitewashed. We don't hear so much about the other stuff, like how our food supply has become toxic, airlines and air traffic control were coming apart, fish and wildlife were dying in federally managed waterways and forests, and so on. GWB's Administration ran the country as negligently as the war in Iraq, in other words.

The notion of free markets in the U.S. is such a joke after the last 8 years, that we are in a nightmare scenario of a corrupt capitalist failure and a collapse of our economic system is possible.

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Re: If you haven't read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, READ IT NOW!!!!
Sorry Riker, I didn't mean to unload a rant onto your thread... yes, this is a great book, but I just hope people who read it aren't going to look at America's economy and troubles and say "that's capitalism" because it's been broken through mismanagement!

But it is a great book. Ayn Rand is also a great philosopher and her books convey the objectivist philosophy of capitalism. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

It's an important classic by now, and one everyone should read!
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No.

Read.
 Quoting: Riker

lmao

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Rubbish
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Summarize it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682289

Paranoid pseudointellectual garbage.
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No.

Read.

lmao

That is the best reply in GLP historyapplause
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hf
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bump just watched the movie tonight amazing and scary
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It would be nice if these Ayn Rand freaks would take the advice of their evil guru and "go Galt," i.e., PISS OFF!!!!
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It would be nice if these Ayn Rand freaks would take the advice of their evil guru and "go Galt," i.e., PISS OFF!!!!
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Politicians invariably respond to crises -- that in most cases they themselves created -- by spawning new government programs, laws and regulations.

These, in turn, generate more havoc and poverty, which inspires the politicians to create more programs . . . and the downward spiral repeats itself until the productive sectors of the economy collapse under the collective weight of taxes and other burdens imposed in the name of fairness, equality and do-goodism.






so unlike today.
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Exactly. But most don't get it and clamor for more government. Never realizing that the problem is government.
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It would be nice if these Ayn Rand freaks would take the advice of their evil guru and "go Galt," i.e., PISS OFF!!!!
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A lot of us have. And when the rest of us go, who will pay the taxes to support you then?
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I liked Ayn Rands, Anthem so I read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.

They were very good and a great help to my process of Individuation.
 Quoting: Xare



Try We the Living too. I think it was her first book. I don't think much of Ayn Rand from a personal stand point but her books were brilliant. What can you say about a book that was published in 1956 and still sells every year since then.
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Rand was Illuminati...She was related to the same people who founded the Rand Institute
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Summarize it.
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Totally irrelevant fantasy world to what we are in today.

There's one scene where the protagonist goes into a big speech about what money means, like the dollar represents work and the product of one's labor.

If a capitalist when into that kind of rave over the dollar today, he'd be laughed off the panel of talking heads.

:dollartp:

The whole free market capitalism thing is dead, corrupted by insiders and a negligent government.

The book is worth reading as it is a work of existential philosophy that Ayn Rand has described.
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Yep Atlas shrugged, a love story for neo-cons. set in a fantasy world where the market regulates itself.
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Riker - this is my favorite book of all time, hands down.
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It is in my top 3. I am not sure about favorite though, I would have to think about it for a while. It is kinda long, actually 3 books in one, but is a great book.
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ron paul named son after ayn rand.
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ron paul named son after ayn rand.
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It's my understanding that this allegation isn't true. He named his son Randall and it became Rand.
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Sorry,didn't read"Atlas Shrugged",didn't see the movie version lasst year either!!
Did go see"Rio"though!!Very sweet and funny,did big box office last spring!!
At my local drive in-The Galaxy in Ennis-it was a sell out crowd,barely got in to see it!!
Did over$40 Million at the box office while"Atlas Shrugged"did a whopping$1.3 Million@the box office!!
Why??Because(A)People want to be entertained at the movies not lectured to!!
(B)Political Movies don't do well at the box office!!
"IOUSA";"W";"Expelled";"An American Carol"and"Capitalism:A Love Story"all tanked except for their loyal followers!!
(C)Truth be known,Randites idea of fun is buying Reynolds
Wrap to make themselves a new foil hat!!

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She predicted the next dark age. And here it is... 3 news netwerks and nothing to listen to but slop.
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atlas shrugged summary die you useless eaters .
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not really selling it here...tomato
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"Atlas Shrugged" was written by a child for children.......

Only in ignorance of "Self" does self-determination seem of consequence.

Freewill is a courtesy granted to an (r)evolving species.

It's time to grow up Now children.

Choose wisely.......

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it is a good book.
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May I say something as an old man now who read this book when he was 28? "Atlas Shrugged", published around 1957, always appeals to young men and women who suddenly discover as they enter middle age that their direction and dreams about life, work and America are not going to pan out as they anticipated.
The book is full of characters who only care about money and their personalities are presented as heroic by Rand but actually are part of our problem, not the solution.
. Why do I say this? Because the very "Love of Money" that Rand expresses is in reality what is wrong in America.
Since the publication of this unique book, America has had its fill of social parasites true! But it also has had its fill of unbridled materialism as Ellsworth M. Toohey would have said in his column in "The Banner".
These people are not heroes who are saving America, they are not full rounded, mature men and women, but rather very self centered people who know and feel superior and look down on people they perceive as dumb and dumber. They only are concerned about making money, they are not the Tesla's , Westinghouse's, Edison's or Bell's of the past. Her characters create for themselves and see everyone else as leeches. They certainly have no CHARITY in their hearts, they are never men or women of faith or spend lives dedicated to the benevolence of their fellow men. They only seek to utilize they elements of this world to transform it to perpetuate profitability and "keep busy" in their vocations to the point of sillyness. Remember what Budd Fox said to Gordon Gekko in "Wall Street" essentially, at what point is it enough? When do you stop driving yourself to pile money on top of money? Remember, for every Gekko there is a Wildman. Each sees themselves as members of an ever climbing circle of competitiveness to earn and pile up money, but to what end?
Greater is the Dale Carnagies of this world, who, having accumulated more wealth than could possibly be spent in many lifetimes, was confronted by an experience wherein he claimed that an angel visited him and asked what he was going to do with all that he had earned? He cleverly established permanent funding for the Arts and Sciences that continue to this day. In the end, he had put back everything and left a continuing legacy. Something Ayn Rand would have cursed and turned over in her grave.
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Dagny is a slut.
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She was an Illuminist shrill.
 Quoting: 9teen.47™


Please elaborate.
 Quoting: Riker


John Galt is supposed to be Philippe de Rothschild.

$ is their god which they will follow all the way home.

"PHILLIP ROTHSCHILD ORDERED ONE OF HIS MISTRESSES TO WRITE AN 1100-PAGE BOOK that would describe to all witches how they would take control of the World through the Illuminati: It's called Atlas Shrugged. (By Ayn Rand) One of the things in it is happening on the front pages of the newspapers across the United States right now. In fact she spent a third of the book describing how they would raise the oil prices and then later destroy the oil fields and then they would also completely shut down the coal.

IT ALSO DESCRIBED HOW THEY WOULD BLOW UP GRAIN MILLS, how they would derail trains. Their sole purpose is to bankrupt their own companies and destroy their own companies until they destroyed the currency of the whole World, and still be so financially strong they would withstand it!" - [link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]







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How did the book change your life? Did it give you just another excuse to hate all forms of government -- even the ones that protect average citizens from the abuses of corporate power?

In Atlas, the hero Nat Taggart murders a state legislator who attempts to revoke a charter granted to him.

Basically, the only heroes for Rand are the Super Rich. She opposes any form of regulation to protect ordinary people and workers from the rapacious greed of the chosen Elite.

As she says in the book, the rich are "really alive" while the average working citizens are "savages", "refuse," "inanimate objects," and "imitations of living beings."

Ayn Rand is nothing but a shill for the Corporate Elite.

She has nothing but pure contempt for the working class.

She can go to hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 683240


clappa
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Witch capitolesm r u talkin bout.....kronee or freeee market...........won wurd peepul...terriffffs....protect wurkors and phund gubmint....not tackses
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bump

agreed, read this; it's happening now. Lots of meaning in it, positive and negative. You'll get out of it what you reflect on it ;) yes, it IS about the illuminati (good and bad) and it's stirring...game's on...

who's John Galt?
who's Nobody?
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames'

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It's a work of great literature. I love it simply as a story.
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That's one side of it, and yes; it's great literature, very well written!
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames'

"This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155

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