Say Nothing to the police

Yeah, I think it's out of control.

Here's something that recently happened to me.

I am a single Mom to a 17 year old son who tends to get into mischief regularly. So, I go out for the first time in months to have some fun with my friends, my son was at work until 9.30. I get home around 11.30 and when I pull up to my apartment there is a police car in front of my building. Evidently while I was gone 3 of my sons friends had come over (without my permission), were being rowdy and 2 under cover cops who 'happened' to be in the area were in my place questioning them (they are all minors). I go to the door, they wouldn't let me in my own apartment, I told them to send my son outside to me.

Finally I go in. They charge two of the boys with possession of less than an ounce. So, I'm standing there talking to the police officer (at this point there are three in my house), when the fucking SWAT Team shows up. SEVEN, no shit SEVEN of them file into my 2 BR apartment. I look at all of them as they are milling around my small apartment and say, 'Boys don't ya think this is a bit of over kill?' ...

Then my son starts to talk - begins to tell them in detail everything that had happened. Before he could finish the first sentence I looked at him and said 'Shut Up' .... he kept talking, and I said 'Shut the fuck up now, you don't say another word'. One of the police officers turned to my son and said, Son, how old are you, he said 17, the cop said, listen to your Mother.

Then I reminded them all that they were all in my home, they did not have a warrant or any problem with me or my son and I wanted them to leave my home. They left.

Don't let them manipulate - they are masters.

daaamn WOTE where you at GA right? rough.

I would say make sure they take a second sample that your attorney can get to an independent lab because the police labs are notoriously inaccurate on the side of conviction. I once saw the stats for our state lab and it didn't look normal bell curve at all but had a big lump just over the legal limit. If you can get them to use an alcohol swab then that can be grounds to get the test thrown out due to contamination but they'd have to be pretty dumb for that. The longer you can delay the sample the better as your body removes alcohol at a certain rate. Also keep in mind that blood alcohol is only prima facie evidence meaning the burden of proof shifts to the defendant for impairment although you will get your license yanked but that is administrative separate from the criminal court proceeding. Heed the advice - say nothing and get a good lawyer. In large cities they have law firms that specialize in drunk driving defense and if you are say a pilot that would loose your ability to work if you were convicted its essential that you employee such firms. They will do a top to bottwm look at the calibration of the machine, the software, its maintenance history and hire expert witnesses to testify as to the inaccuracy of testing and their investigator will visit the scene and have you re-enact the stop but it will cost a lot and will be tried before a jury. In my state its 2 days mandatory jail first, 5 for second, 90 for third and I believe they just passed 180 days mandatory for third offense. You can get a diversion on your first one if you didn't hurt anyone. That means the charges are dismissed if you stay clean for a year but it will still count as a first offense so if you get caught again that will be a second even if you had diversion. DUIs cannot be plea bargained here.

yes, north Georgia, Atlanta burbs

Last Edited by Woman On The Edge on 05/22/2009 06:09 PM

100% agreed

Always remember there is a difference between being or acting suspicious,and acting suspiciousLY.

Yes, they want you to bear witness against yourself. As soon as you say "Yes", even if you just had one beer, they have cause to suspect you of intoxication and test you.

I once had a cop ask me if I knew why he had stopped me.(?) I said "No, you haven't told me yet." He didn't like it. WTF was I supposed to answer to that question??

If they ask me if I have been drinking, I might just ignore the question or I might say "Are you asking me if I have been doing something that is illegal? Sir, I try to NEVER do anything that is illegal. May I go now?"

Thanks baby darlin'!!!

Man there are some great replies from police on this thread......thanks all.....

BTW folks I know some local Sheriffs that are cool....my experience is the older crowd (lets say 35-40 and over) are typically old school and reasonable......than again I am out in the sticks YMMV......

Good timing for this thread, Omega

Y'all enjoy the long Memorial Day weekend
but be prepared for check-points and DUI stops
The cops are gonna be crawling all over the place

Hmmm...!! :) My true pleasure, sweet bear!!!

So what the fuck can you do in the case of a pastor when a dog walks around your vehicle, nothing happens, and they "claim" he detected something which is just bullshit? You can't do shit? You have to exit your vehicle??

Thanks brother. Not an issue for me I am working this weekend and on the ole proverbial wagon. Prep times not over. ;>)

AS a last resort, if yer on the knife edge of getting arrested or not. Shit your pants. You heard me right shit your pants! And BARF too if you can. This ploy only works if you do it BEFORE he puts you in the car. Shit and barf, the more stink the better. Make sure he knows his car is gonna stink to high heaven if he puts you in there.

No cop is gonna put a shitter in their car unless they absolutey HAVE to.

Believe me. It works.

(And don't talk to them.)

Let them do their investigate unhindered.

Then put the dog on the stand at trial if they find anything and insist to cross examine the dog.

Ask the dog if he was sure he smelled weed or was it really a ham sammwich

One woof is weed. Two is a ham sammich.

Pay attention here man I am trying to help you out.

:Phead:

Hard core man. ;>)

I'm talking about legit situations where there is nothing to be found, but I get your point. Pretty much you're forced to exit the vehicle and they can search it regardless of whether or not the dog indicates anything, because they can just "claim" he did.

UTTER HORSESHIT

for informative thread.

EXACTLY my point I see you can read between the lines.....;>)

Very Wise words. Many give up their freedom, and any information no matter how innocent at the time can and will be used against you in the court of Law.

The Bill of Rights and the 5th Amendment. Your rights don't forget that.

This is my favorite on it:

Law Professor and former Criminal Defense Attorney: Don't talk to the police.



Last Edited by Angel Girl on Cloud 9™ on 05/22/2009 07:12 PM

NO, you never say, "What is this NAzi Germany"....
This is your first error.

You say, "Take your hands off me or I'll charge you with ASSAULT".

Why do you say this?

Because he has no authority over you, whatsoever. He cannot touch you legally. He cannot move you without being charged with kidnapping, he cannot take you to jail without being charged with unlawful imprisonment, etc, etc. A cop is not a Policeman nor a Officer. He is a "code enforcer".

First word out of his mouth and you can TELL HIM, "I want a Lawyer". As soon as you say that, he by law, must stop asking you anything. if he continues, and he will, tell him, "Im going to tell my Lawyer everything you say and do from this moment on". That should either stop him dead or get you roughed up. If he roughs you up you can recover all damages.

You can ask, "What code am I not keeping".

You can ask, "Am I under arrest".

You can ask, "Who are you?".

You can ask, "What is your name, badge number, Identification because you could be some thug in a uniform". This happens to be exactly what he is.

Genuinely evil person. Are you a cop?

Naw-one of my pet trolls. ;>)

Cops handle people all the time, how can we charge them with assault?

Trolls, whether pets or not, often have mange. Do not let them near you. If you have accidental contact with one, delouse your body and clothing immediately.

Bump for demonstration that you CAN do this and get away with it... legally.

Amazing they have that whole book on-line.

thankyou so much

hey bro.....you know the deal....;>)

:rftpsresis:

Eh, I drove drunk ONCE. It was on a motorcycle..

Somebody shoulda told Martha Stewart about this.