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Unlikely Suns Reveal Improbable Planets----hints of mini solar systems forming around brown dwarfs

 
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Unlikely Suns Reveal Improbable Planets----hints of mini solar systems forming around brown dwarfs
i added this to a thread yesterday but the thread died and i don't know if anyone actually saw it...there is so much we still don't know and understand, and the more we do learn, the more questions are born.. ....

thought some of my fellow space junkies might like to read this one :-)



[link to www.scientificamerican.com]


Unlikely Suns Reveal Improbable Planets
Astronomers are finding planets where there were not supposed to be any.


By Micheal W. Werner and Michael A. Jura

Key Concepts

* Few if any astronomers expected the sheer diver­sity of planets beyond our solar system. The most extreme systems are those that orbit neutron stars, white dwarfs and brown dwarfs.
* Neutron stars are born in supernova explosions, and planets orbiting them probably congealed from the debris. The bodies orbiting white dwarfs are the hardy survivors of the demise of a sunlike star. And brown dwarfs, themselves barely more massive than planets, nonetheless appear to be sites of planet formation.

*Brown Dwarf is a star so small—some are hardly more massive than a large planet—that it never lit up. Astronomers scarcely even bothered to look for planets around such runts. Yet they have now seen hints of mini solar systems forming around brown dwarfs and similarly unlikely objects.

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i love things like this!!

thanks TFF! hf
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Re: Unlikely Suns Reveal Improbable Planets----hints of mini solar systems forming around brown dwarfs
you mean like jupiter? or saturn?
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Re: Unlikely Suns Reveal Improbable Planets----hints of mini solar systems forming around brown dwarfs
no- as i understood it.. this is talking about way beyond our own solar system.......

do you find Jupiter and Saturn unlikely? or just that they have so many moons in orbit?...i don't think that would class as mini solar systems tho....

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i love things like this!!

thanks TFF! hf
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hf me too tessa :-) i'm a consummate space cadet LOL!!!!!!so much out there that we have no idea about ...it's amazing to me :-)
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no- as i understood it.. this is talking about way beyond our own solar system.......

do you find Jupiter and Saturn unlikely? or just that they have so many moons in orbit?...i don't think that would class as mini solar systems tho ....
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no i think they are definitely brown dwarfs. with their own miniature planetary systems. they were caught in the sun's gravitational/magnetic field so long ago.
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ahh ok i get your line of thinking now....wow i hadnt considered that angle...see this is why i love love love glp!!!!
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Astronomy is one of my favorite subjects.


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I always imagined.......if we find what we always thought we would find. A universe teeming with life. And so many possibilities. And we are finding such. Excellent.


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Be brave young warriors in truth.


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oh yes ... the mathematics keep making it less and less likely that we stand alone in the vastness... :-)
......we will one day know so much more than we do now....and even then ..we stil won't really know much at all will we?.........
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Zetas right again!
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Zetas right again!
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i'm not a zeta follower, did they really predict this? blink
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Re: Unlikely Suns Reveal Improbable Planets----hints of mini solar systems forming around brown dwarfs
they added a video to the article :-) thought i'd add it to the thread

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Re: Unlikely Suns Reveal Improbable Planets----hints of mini solar systems forming around brown dwarfs
I fail to understand why this is improbable.

Brown dwarfs were/are considered to be 'failed' stars starting off with a mass about 2 times that of Jupiter ending around 3 times the mass. Beyond 3 times the mass gravity and the pressures at the center should start a fusion reaction.

I believe we will find that the universe loves planets.

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Re: Unlikely Suns Reveal Improbable Planets----hints of mini solar systems forming around brown dwarfs
honestly i don't think we know enough to know what IS improbable or probable at this point... if we added all of mankind's knowledge about the universe up..we'd still have less than a drop compared to the oceans of information yet to be comprehended... i am fascinated by space however and love to share the stuff that makes me think - or points out how much we really don't know :-)

i'm a believer in life on other planets ( although i am still not sure about visitations of those lifeforms to earth...) i just don't think humanity is special enough to warrent our own universe!!!! ::grins::: plus it really seems that there is nothing particularly unique about earths placement or makeup, so it just seems logical to me that there would be other similar planetary arrangements elsewhere in that vast expanse...

Last Edited by Thoughts Faux Fodder on 06/13/2009 03:49 AM
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