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"While an individual may feel uneasy about answering each question truthfully, the fine for filing false information can be as much as $500"

So, I get a little confused and don't know things like what "is" a flush toilet. Even our past President Clinton got confused on what the word, "is" means, so how can a lowly citizen be expected to understand their questions?

YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE ...

Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'

Mandatory Census survey inquires about citizens' difficulty undressing, bathing
Posted: May 27, 2009
11:00 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

The federal government is forcing 3 million Americans to disclose sensitive, personal information about finances, health and lifestyle in a 14-page survey – including questions about availability of household flush toilets and difficulty with undressing and bathing.

The 2009 American Community Survey, an annual supplement to the decennial Census, asks about residents' personal relationships and whether a home has hot and cold running water, a flush toilet, bathing facilities, appliances and phone services. It also asks how many rooms are in a home and what vehicles are used at each household.

The new questionnaire asks respondents what they pay for electricity, gas, water and sewer every month and whether residents receive food stamps.

Question 16 asks, "About how much do you think this house and lot, apartment, or mobile home would sell for if it were for sale?"

Respondents are required to disclose costs associated with rent or mortgage, annual real estate taxes on and fire, hazard and flood insurance expenses.

For each person in the household, the questionnaire asks for citizenship status, education level, whether that person attends private or public schools. It also features questions about health coverage, hearing and vision impairment and physical, mental or emotional conditions.

It asks if residents "have difficulty dressing or bathing" or "doing errands alone such as visiting a doctor's office or shopping" or whether they have difficulty making decisions. Respondents must indicate if they have served in the military, their current marital status and whether they have been married or given birth to children in the last 12 months. The Census Bureau claims its question is used as a "measure of fertility" and is used to "carry out various programs required by statute, including … conducting research for voluntary family planning programs."

The letter asks where residents worked last week and whether they drove a car, rode a bus, subway railroad, ferryboat, taxicab or bicycle to get there. It then asks what time they left for work and how long their commute lasted.

Respondents are also required to disclose their place of employment, duties and income.

While many recipients may consider the questionnaire to be tedious and meddling, the Census Bureau warns that citizens are required by law to complete it and may be fined as much as $5,000 for willfully refusing. While an individual may feel uneasy about answering each question truthfully, the fine for filing false information can be as much as $500.

The Census Bureau estimates that the form takes an average of 38 minutes for each household to complete.

While the U.S. Constitution allows Americans to be counted for purposes of taxation and political representation, Jim Harper, a privacy expert at the Cato Institute, told the New York Post the survey is "a classic example of mission creep over the decades – this constitutional need to literally count how many noses are in the United States has turned into a vast data-collection operation."

Rep. Ron Paul blasted the government for spending "hundreds of millions of dollars" on the survey and called the questionnaire "insulting" in his Texas Straight Talk column.

"The questions are both ludicrous and insulting," he wrote. "The survey asks, for instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and whether you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on, mixing inane questions with highly detailed inquiries about your financial affairs. One can only imagine the countless malevolent ways our federal bureaucrats could use this information. At the very least the survey will be used to dole out pork, which is reason enough to oppose it."

Paul continued, "The founders never authorized the federal government to continuously survey the American people. More importantly, they never envisioned a nation where the people would roll over and submit to every government demand. The American Community Survey is patently offensive to all Americans who still embody that fundamental American virtue, namely a healthy mistrust of government. "

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Show your birth certificate and school records and prove you have authority for the job to do this and I'll be glad to complete it. Until then, it's just a damn piece of paper.
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No blood out of a turnip
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Wonder how many "patriots" this fine for refusal to complete will rile up. I know I wouldn't want to complete it, and my guess is many wont.

When the govt starts hitting an already impoverished people with more and greater taxes and fines, then revolution can only be a short time away.
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COLOR OF LAW.
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More bullshit paper to ignore. Stop being afraid of the people who work for us. They can't put us all in prison.
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Here's an interesting take on the subject from Omega..

I thought it was great......check it out

Thread: Lets Put An End To This B.S: The Civil Servants Questionaire
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Wonder how many "patriots" this fine for refusal to complete will rile up. I know I wouldn't want to complete it, and my guess is many wont.

When the govt starts hitting an already impoverished people with more and greater taxes and fines, then revolution can only be a short time away.
 Quoting: Icee4you



How many flush toilets do you have? Hmm, 1. What is a flush toilet? I guess I'd say - none - since none of my toilets flush themselves. or I don't have any, my house may house a toilet but that doesn't mean I have any. Now if the questions is how many toilets in my house can I flush? Hmm, I can flush any of them.

Refusal is one tack but 'what may be deemed as disinformation' is not refusal and not really disinformation if you answer the questions but can't answer them as accurately as they wish since they probably won't really explain the questions. What is 'IS'?


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Bill Clinton and the Meaning of "Is"
Timothy NoahPosted Sunday, Sept. 13, 1998, at 9:14 PM ET

Years from now, when we look back on Bill Clinton's presidency, its defining moment may well be Clinton's rationalization to the grand jury about why he wasn't lying when he said to his top aides that with respect to Monica Lewinsky, "there's nothing going on between us." How can this be? Here's what Clinton told the grand jury (according to footnote 1,128 in Starr's report):

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

The distinction between "is" and "was" was seized on by the commentariat when Clinton told Jim Lehrer of PBS right after the Lewinsky story broke, "There is no improper relationship." Chatterbox confesses that at the time he thought all these beltway domes were hyperanalyzing, and in need of a little fresh air. But it turns out they were right: Bill Clinton really is a guy who's willing to think carefully about "what the meaning of the word 'is' is." This is way beyond slick. Perhaps we should start calling him, "Existential Willie."
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Here's an interesting take on the subject from Omega..

I thought it was great......check it out

Thread: Lets Put An End To This B.S: The Civil Servants Questionaire
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 690829


{{{ Excellent write-up, everyone should access the link and print out the questionnaire:]]]
Lets Put An End To This B.S: The Civil Servants Questionaire
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I've had it. The Census pinned thread, the increase of government prying in your affairs. You have specific rights under the Privacy Act of 1974 codified under USC 5 @ 522A.

If some asshole tax revenuer or civil servant wants to get into your business present this to them. I have done it in the past never had one filled out and returned and never heard from them again.

Including FEMA. And recently . Long story there.

PUBLIC SERVANT'S QUESTIONAIRE

Public Law 93-579 states in part: "The purpose of this Act is to provide certain safeguards for an individual against invasion of personal privacy by requiring Federal agencies...to permit and individual to determine what records pertaining to him are collected, maintained, used, or disseminated by such agencies."

The following questions are based upon that act and are necessary in order that this individual may make a reasonable determination concerning divulgence of information to this agency.

1. Name of public servant______________________________

2. Residence __________ City __________ State __________ Zip__________

3. Name of department, bureau, or agency by which public servant
is employed__________ Supervisor's name __________

4. It's mailing address__________ City __________ State __________ Zip__________

5. Will public servant uphold the Constitution of the United States? __________

6. Did public servant furnish proof of identity? __________

7. What was the nature of proof?____________________

8. Will public servant furnish a copy of the law or regulation which
authorizes this investigation? __________

9. Will the public servant read aloud the portion of the law authorizing
the questions he will ask? __________

10. Are the answers to the questions voluntary or mandatory? __________

11. Are the questions to be asked based upon a specific law/regulation,
or are they being used as a discovery process? __________

12. What other uses may be made of this information? __________

13. What other agencies may have access to this information? __________

14. What will be the effect upon me if I should choose not to answer
any part or all of these questions? __________

15. Name of person in government requesting that this investigation be
made____________________

16. Is this investigation 'general' or is it 'special'? __________

17. Have you consulted, questioned, interviewed, or received information
from any third party relative to this investigation? __________

18. If so, the identity of such third parties__________

19. Do you reasonably anticipate either a civil or criminal action to
be initiated or pursued based upon any of the requested information? __________

20. Is there a file of records, information, or correspondence relating
to me being maintained by this agency? __________ If yes, which? __________

21. Is this agency using any information pertaining to me which was
supplied by another agency or government source? __________

22. May I have a copy of that information? __________

23. Will the public servant guarantee that the information in these
files will not be used by any other department other than the one
by whom he is employed? __________ If not, why not? __________
_____________________________________________________________​_________

If any request for information relating to me is received from any
person or agency, you must advise me in writing before releasing such
information. Failure to do so may subject you to possible civil or
criminal action as provided by the act.

I swear (affirm) that the answers I have given to the foregoing
questions are complete and correct in every particular.

X ____________________________ Date: ________/_________/_____________

Witness:________________________ Witness:__________________________




Authorities for Questions:
1,2,3,4 In order to be sure you know exactly who you are giving the
information to. Residence and business addresses are needed in case you
need to serve process in a civil or criminal action upon this individual.
5 All public servants have taken a sworn oath to uphold and
defend the constitution.
6,7 This is standard procedure by government agents and officers.
See Internal Revenue Manual, MT-9900-26, Section 242.133.
8,9,10 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (3) (A)
11 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (d) (5), (e) (1)
12,13 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (3) (B), (e) (3) (C)
14 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (3) (D)
15 Public Law 93-579 (b) (1)
16 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (3) (A)
17,18 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (2)
19 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (d) (5)
20,21 Public Law 93-579 (b) (1)
22 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (d) (1)
23 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (10)
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Omega is the mutha flippen man!
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"While an individual may feel uneasy about answering each question truthfully, the fine for filing false information can be as much as $500"

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I plan on telling them I live out of state and am just house sitting when they knock at my door & oh yeah the true residents have 9 kids and voted for O

I'll be safe!


lol
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Wonder how many "patriots" this fine for refusal to complete will rile up. I know I wouldn't want to complete it, and my guess is many wont.

When the govt starts hitting an already impoverished people with more and greater taxes and fines, then revolution can only be a short time away.



How many flush toilets do you have? Hmm, 1. What is a flush toilet? I guess I'd say - none - since none of my toilets flush themselves. or I don't have any, my house may house a toilet but that doesn't mean I have any. Now if the questions is how many toilets in my house can I flush? Hmm, I can flush any of them.

Refusal is one tack but 'what may be deemed as disinformation' is not refusal and not really disinformation if you answer the questions but can't answer them as accurately as they wish since they probably won't really explain the questions. What is 'IS'?


[link to www.slate.com]

Bill Clinton and the Meaning of "Is"
Timothy NoahPosted Sunday, Sept. 13, 1998, at 9:14 PM ET

Years from now, when we look back on Bill Clinton's presidency, its defining moment may well be Clinton's rationalization to the grand jury about why he wasn't lying when he said to his top aides that with respect to Monica Lewinsky, "there's nothing going on between us." How can this be? Here's what Clinton told the grand jury (according to footnote 1,128 in Starr's report):

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

The distinction between "is" and "was" was seized on by the commentariat when Clinton told Jim Lehrer of PBS right after the Lewinsky story broke, "There is no improper relationship." Chatterbox confesses that at the time he thought all these beltway domes were hyperanalyzing, and in need of a little fresh air. But it turns out they were right: Bill Clinton really is a guy who's willing to think carefully about "what the meaning of the word 'is' is." This is way beyond slick. Perhaps we should start calling him, "Existential Willie."
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"Flush terlets? Tai'nt got none, boy, we just shit down the neck of the last nosy sumbitch that showed up askin questions." We don't hold with no question askin..."
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"While an individual may feel uneasy about answering each question truthfully, the fine for filing false information can be as much as $500"


I plan on telling them I live out of state and am just house sitting when they knock at my door & oh yeah the true residents have 9 kids and voted for O

I'll be safe!


lol
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lol

All I can say is it's a good thing they're not doing the census over the internet...imagine the fines they'd rake in that way! chuckle
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Apparently, freedom’s a figment of our imagination… our government has finally decided that excessive taxing, ridiculous laws and regulations, and abuse of power isn’t enough… now they need to stick their noses in our personal business while threatening all who oppose…

Boston Tea Party… Washington lynch mob???
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Apparently, freedom’s a figment of our imagination… our government has finally decided that excessive taxing, ridiculous laws and regulations, and abuse of power isn’t enough… now they need to stick their noses in our personal business while threatening all who oppose…

Boston Tea Party… Washington lynch mob???

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weee, I like that font!
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"While an individual may feel uneasy about answering each question truthfully, the fine for filing false information can be as much as $500"

So, I get a little confused and don't know things like what "is" a flush toilet. Even our past President Clinton got confused on what the word, "is" means, so how can a lowly citizen be expected to understand their questions?

YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE ...

Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'

Mandatory Census survey inquires about citizens' difficulty undressing, bathing
Posted: May 27, 2009
11:00 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

The federal government is forcing 3 million Americans to disclose sensitive, personal information about finances, health and lifestyle in a 14-page survey – including questions about availability of household flush toilets and difficulty with undressing and bathing.

The 2009 American Community Survey, an annual supplement to the decennial Census, asks about residents' personal relationships and whether a home has hot and cold running water, a flush toilet, bathing facilities, appliances and phone services. It also asks how many rooms are in a home and what vehicles are used at each household.

The new questionnaire asks respondents what they pay for electricity, gas, water and sewer every month and whether residents receive food stamps.

Question 16 asks, "About how much do you think this house and lot, apartment, or mobile home would sell for if it were for sale?"

Respondents are required to disclose costs associated with rent or mortgage, annual real estate taxes on and fire, hazard and flood insurance expenses.

For each person in the household, the questionnaire asks for citizenship status, education level, whether that person attends private or public schools. It also features questions about health coverage, hearing and vision impairment and physical, mental or emotional conditions.

It asks if residents "have difficulty dressing or bathing" or "doing errands alone such as visiting a doctor's office or shopping" or whether they have difficulty making decisions. Respondents must indicate if they have served in the military, their current marital status and whether they have been married or given birth to children in the last 12 months. The Census Bureau claims its question is used as a "measure of fertility" and is used to "carry out various programs required by statute, including … conducting research for voluntary family planning programs."

The letter asks where residents worked last week and whether they drove a car, rode a bus, subway railroad, ferryboat, taxicab or bicycle to get there. It then asks what time they left for work and how long their commute lasted.

Respondents are also required to disclose their place of employment, duties and income.

While many recipients may consider the questionnaire to be tedious and meddling, the Census Bureau warns that citizens are required by law to complete it and may be fined as much as $5,000 for willfully refusing. While an individual may feel uneasy about answering each question truthfully, the fine for filing false information can be as much as $500.

The Census Bureau estimates that the form takes an average of 38 minutes for each household to complete.

While the U.S. Constitution allows Americans to be counted for purposes of taxation and political representation, Jim Harper, a privacy expert at the Cato Institute, told the New York Post the survey is "a classic example of mission creep over the decades – this constitutional need to literally count how many noses are in the United States has turned into a vast data-collection operation."

Rep. Ron Paul blasted the government for spending "hundreds of millions of dollars" on the survey and called the questionnaire "insulting" in his Texas Straight Talk column.

"The questions are both ludicrous and insulting," he wrote. "The survey asks, for instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and whether you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on, mixing inane questions with highly detailed inquiries about your financial affairs. One can only imagine the countless malevolent ways our federal bureaucrats could use this information. At the very least the survey will be used to dole out pork, which is reason enough to oppose it."

Paul continued, "The founders never authorized the federal government to continuously survey the American people. More importantly, they never envisioned a nation where the people would roll over and submit to every government demand. The American Community Survey is patently offensive to all Americans who still embody that fundamental American virtue, namely a healthy mistrust of government. "

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They want all that information that they don't have a right to because they plan to force you to give up unused rooms to the homeless for free.

Just watch, its coming. The people on farms in the rural areas are being run off their land and herded into the cities and surrounding area like cattle. The rural areas will be given to the debt holders of the national debt.

Us slaves will be required to house people for free in the future. welcome to zio-land. Look at the Palistians....that is our future.


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They want all that information that they don't have a right to because they plan to force you to give up unused rooms to the homeless for free.

Just watch, its coming. The people on farms in the rural areas are being run off their land and herded into the cities and surrounding area like cattle. The rural areas will be given to the debt holders of the national debt.

Us slaves will be required to house people for free in the future. welcome to zio-land. Look at the Palistians....that is our future.
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You are right on that. Years ago, it came out that people with more rooms than was needed would be forced to take in homeless people. I laughed that the rich, who have mansions of many rooms, would be forced to take us in. I say "us" because it is not impossible that we should become homeless.

Hey, Mr.Rockefeller and Al Gore (who owns more than one mansion - 3?), ready the rooms for some of us "useless eaters" and provide us with living quarters that allow us to live in a manner to which you have become accustomed.
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More bullshit paper to ignore. Stop being afraid of the people who work for us. They can't put us all in prison.
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Wonder how many "patriots" this fine for refusal to complete will rile up. I know I wouldn't want to complete it, and my guess is many wont.

When the govt starts hitting an already impoverished people with more and greater taxes and fines, then revolution can only be a short time away.
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Oh yes.
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i unnow mr Goberment man! I is stuupid... I is how come u gotta havta put "no smoking" on gas pumps, and pay people to learn me about seatbelts on planes... I can't figure our your test, so is havin the mexican dudes next door dos it for mes..
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The only way they will know if you lie is if they have the information already. In which case, one wonders the purpose of the whole thing.
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what?

are you people getting the long form or what?

no such questions on mine.

very basic here.

how many people, ages, sex, apt or house

am i to expect another form?
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Constitutionally, what are the few questions that we are required to answer? Anyone with a fast link to those?

(Feeling lazy and not wanting to search for it in the Constitution...actually, feeling rather lazy all the way around today. =P
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Constitutionally, what are the few questions that we are required to answer? Anyone with a fast link to those?

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^^ Regarding the regular census, that is.
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We got a Census form all it asked was name and address and how many here etc. My daughter who shares house with me filled it out and had it back in the mailbox in two minutes what is the big friggin deal?

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