Air France plane: Airbus has had computer problems in the past, a similar aircraft plummeted more than a thousand feet without warning over West Aust

You could be on to something. Two execs from Michelin were onboard.

Chemtrails.

On another thead,that started this one, was/is evidence based on....motive.
in the middle pages, gives a passenger list, and a few conections....
that show,,,,,this Plaine loss, WAS A HIT!......involving
a Change,of the money systems......

"follow the Money(s).......

Leho

This is quoted from that aviation website somebody posted on page 1, [link to www.airliners.net]

It is written by someone who flew the same route, and had friends who flew on various planes on the same route the same night, all going from Rio to Paris....

********There was very little turbulence********

QUOTE:
<<<AAden From United States, joined Jan 2006, 799 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted Tue Jun 2 2009 03:11:58 your local time (17 hours 47 minutes 30 secs ago) and read 39007 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 132):
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 105):
First, If AF dispatch knew there were thunderstorms along the route of flight, why was the plane even allowed to leave Rio? Why was it not delayed or canceled? Or do thunderstorms in that area whip up that quickly that when the flight took off those thunderstorms hadn't formed yet?

As I mentioned yesterday, a bunch of us at my university returned from Rio to Barcelona on that night. Two flew on AF443 which left GIG for CDG three hours before AF447, I was on TP178, GIG-LIS, which left around an hour before AF447, another one was on IB6024, GIG-MAD, which left 15 minutes after AF447. None of us experienced more than light (maybe moderate at times) turbulence during the flight. So if there was a line of nasty thunderstorms, it was avoidable.

P.S.: The four of us are considering buying a lottery ticket today.>>>

Well that and the fact that there was a bomb threat a few days earlier kind of makes you go hmmmmm...

+ the fact that other planes reported seeing glowing spots in the water which would indicate that the plane blew up in the sky

Fuck that. It's Swine Flu. Don't you see it?

It makes perfect sense.

:11:

ok that is strange. heard nothing bout a royalty on board and that while it is being covert just about 24/7 here in the netherlands..

normally the MSM jumps onto these things (ie. diana crash paris)

why is this being silenced to death ?

I ASK MYSELF WHY THEY KEEP PUSHING THIS TOTAL BOLLOCKS

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"They may have been sitting there thinking we can weave our way through this stuff," Meldahl said. "If they were trying to lace their way in and out of these things, they could have been caught by an updraft."

The same violent weather that might have led to the crash also could impede recovery efforts.

"Anyone who is going there to try to salvage this airplane within the next couple of months will have to deal with these big thunderstorms coming through on an almost daily basis," Margusity said. "You're talking about a monumental salvage effort."

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SEE MY POST ABOVE. EVEN MORE DISCONCERTING IS THAT PEOPLE DONT READ THE POSTS AND RABBIT ON ABOUT "OOOOOOH WHY DO THEY ALLOW THEM TO FLY IN THUNDERSTORMS"

SEE THE BBC REPORT, SEE THE PICTURE. STORMS WELL MARKED. MODERN RADAR PICKS THEM UP. WORST AND MOST HIGH ALT ACCIDENTS HAPPEN IN "CLEAR AIR TURBULANCE" USUALLY OVER GROUND. GROUND HEATS QUICKLY AND MAKES THERMALS, IT HOW GLIDERS WORK.

PEOPLE ON A BIG SALVAGE SHIP WELL STABILISED DONT THINK TWICE ABOUT A THUDERSTORM. ITS ROUGH SEAS AND PROLONGED WINDS, SWELLS AND WAVES THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM. THIS AREA IS NOT KNOWN AS THE DOLDRUMS FOR NOTHING.

AND SHIT, MARINERS AINT SCARED OF IT.

GL

Basically the same as in this riddle, which also starts with P
*** WATER BREAKING NEWS *** How the illuminati have been poisoning the populace OFFICIALLY revealed
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

I wonder who was on that flight 'they' wanted dead..?

A few as they are very efficient and tend to kill 2 or more birds with one stone.
We had Royalty and corporate executives I bet some microbiology dudes were also on the flight returning with some ground breaking stuff from the Amazon.

Report on Drudge is that Air France received bomb threat days before crash...

Remember that just a few months ago a French fighter planes were unable to even take off because they were infected with a computer virus. So how sure are they that the Airbus wasn't also infected? Maybe the computers were infected and terrorists had full control of the plane.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

French fighter planes grounded by computer virus

French fighter planes were unable to take off after military computers were infected by a computer virus, an intelligence magazine claims.

by Kim Willsher in Paris
Published: 11:43AM GMT 07 Feb 2009

The aircraft were unable to download their flight plans after databases were infected by a Microsoft virus they had already been warned about several months beforehand.
At one point French naval staff were also instructed not to even open their computers.

Microsoft had warned that the "Conficker" virus, transmitted through Windows, was attacking computer systems in October last year, but according to reports the French military ignored the warning and failed to install the necessary security measures.

The French newspaper Ouest France said the virus had hit the internal computer network at the French Navy.
Jérome Erulin, French navy spokesman told the paper: "It affected exchanges of information but no information was lost. It was a security problem we had already simulated. We cut the communication links that could have transmitted the virus and 99 per cent of the network is safe."

However, the French navy admitted that during the time it took to eradicate the virus, it had to return to more traditional forms of communication: telephone, fax and post.

Naval officials said the "infection"' was probably due more to negligence than a deliberate attempt to compromise French national security. It said it suspected someone at the navy had used an infected USB key.

The Sicmar Network, on which the most sensitive documents and communications are transmitted was not touched, it said. "The computer virus problem had no effect on the availability of our forces." The virus attacked the non-secured internal French navy network called Intramar and was detected on 21 January. The whole network was affected and military staff were instructed not to start their computers.

According to Liberation newspaper, two days later the chiefs of staff decided to isolate Intramar from the military's other computer systems, but certain computers at the Villacoublay air base and in the 8th Transmissions Regiment were infected. Liberation reported that on the 15 and 16 January the Navy's Rafale aircraft were "nailed to the ground" because they were unable to "download their flight plans". The aircraft were eventually activated by "another system".

Liberation also reported that Microsoft had identified the Conficker virus in the autumn of 2008 and had advised users from October last year to update their security patches. IntelligenceOnline reports that "at the heart of the (French) military, the modifications were, for the most part, not done." It was only on the 16 January "three months later" that the navy chiefs of staffs began to act.
"At that point, the chiefs of staff and the defence ministry had no idea how many computers or military information systems were vulnerable to having been contaminated by the virus," said Liberation.

The French press also reported that the only consolation for the French Navy was that it was not the only ones to have fallen victim to the virus. It said that a report in the military review Defense Tech revealed that in the first days of January 2009 the British Defence Ministry had been attacked by a hybrid of the virus that had substantially and seriously infected the computer systems of more than 24 RAF bases and 75 per cent of the Royal Navy fleet including the aircraft carrier Ark Royal.

There is another more simple explanation to the crash that has just been put forward by a retired Brazilian pilot.

The Airbus A330 was cruising at 35000 feet at least. At that altitude the cruising speed of Mach 0,82 is very close to the Vso, or stalling speed due to the decreased lift caused by thinner air.

If strong turbulence pushed the plane up a few thousand feet, the plane could have stalled thus causing a dive, during the dive, the plane could have exceeded Vne or never to exceed speed of Mach 0,90 causing it to disintegrate during the descent.

The retired pilot actually claims that A330 regularly fly at 41,000 - 43,000 feet and that cruising speed is very close to stalling speed at that altitude.


"Aviões como o A330 voam na faixa de 41 mil a 43 mil pés. Nessa altitude, a velocidade máxima se aproxima da velocidade de estol. Isso não requer maiores cuidados, desde que não haja previsão de turbulência na rota. Por essa razão, o fabricante recomenda que, nessas circunstâncias, o nível de cruzeiro seja 4 mil pés inferior ao chamado “nível ótimo”, para que se reduza a possibilidade de uma rajada de ar ascendente levar o avião a ultrapassar seu limite de fator de carga ou estolar. A ausência de sustentação de um A330 a 39 mil pés pode levar o piloto a perder o controle do avião. Nesse caso, ele pode mergulhar a uma velocidade crescente, ultrapassando os limites de resistência do projeto e levando à desintegração da estrutura em pleno ar."

[link to zerohora.clicrbs.com.br]

OH MY GOD, ANOTHER ONE

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The Airbus A330 was cruising at 35000 feet at least. At that altitude the cruising speed of Mach 0,82 is very close to the Vso, or stalling speed due to the decreased lift caused by thinner air.

UNQUOTE

WOW MILLIONS OF FLIGHTS, ALL ON THE VERGE OF INSTANT DESTRUCTION AND NOBODY KNEW IT AND IT ONLY APPLIES TO AIRBUS. BOEINGS DONT FLY AT MACH 0.83 AT 35,000 FEET.

BBS STILL REPORTING FLIGHT LOST IN A STORM. SO SEEMS ALL FLIGHTS BETWEEN KL, SINGAPORE MUST BE CANCELED AS ITS TOO DANGEROUS.

GL

I asked about the crash yesterday and I was shown a vision of the cockpit.

Have they announced the names of who was flying the plane?

Also bear in mind that there was a Latin American/Arab conference at the beginning of April.

Whoever named the front of a plane the cock pit?

"Cockpit as a term for the pilot's compartment in an aircraft first appeared in 1914. From about 1935 cockpit also came to be used informally to refer to the driver's seat of a car, especially a high performance one, and this is official terminology in Formula One. "
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Lotus

Last Edited by Lotus Feet on 06/03/2009 08:29 AM

No names yet:

Personnel navigant technique

Commandant de bord :
Nationalité française
58 ans
Entré à la compagnie en 1988
Qualifié sur Airbus A330/A340 en février 2007
11 000 heures de vol dont 1 700 sur Airbus A330/A340

2 officiers pilotes de ligne (copilotes) :
Nationalité française
37 ans et 32 ans
Entrés à la compagnie en 1999 et 2004
Qualifiés sur Airbus A330/A340 en avril 2002 et en juin 2008
6 600 heures de vol dont 2 600 sur Airbus A330/A340
3 000 heures de vol dont 800 sur Airbus A330/A340

Personnel navigant commercial

Chef de cabine principal :
Nationalité française
49 ans
Entré à la compagnie en 1985

2 chefs de cabine :
Nationalité française
54 et 46 ans
Entrés à la compagnie en 1981 et en 1989

6 hôtesses et stewards
5 de nationalité française et 1 de nationalité brésilienne
Entre 24 et 44 ans
Entrés à la compagnie entre 1996 et 2007

May they rest in peace.

Lost jet data 'may not be found'

French and Brazilian planes are involved in the search
French aviation officials have said they may never find the flight data recorders of an Air France jet that went missing over the Atlantic.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

And Rev 16 talks about the 100lb hailstones falling from the skies. 100 in Greek is silver and didn't someone also mention steel in an earlier post? What colour is steel? Silver. Rev 16 also mentions the frogs and the French have been called Frogs for many decades. See the Rev 16 thread that we posted the other day.
Thread: REVELATION 16....Beast-False Prophet coalition. Pains and sores of Politicians mentioned

Lotus

Last Edited by Lotus Feet on 06/03/2009 08:59 AM

MYSTERY
Officials said the recorders needed to identify the causes of the mysterious crash could be on the ocean floor at a depth of 6,600 to 9,800 feet (2,000 to 3,000 metres).

The recorders are designed to send homing signals for up to 30 days when they hit water but many do not float well.

One expert said it could be among the hardest recoveries since the decades-long search to find the Titanic. [ID:nL2690712]

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said he was confident that the black boxes would be located.

"I think a country that can find oil 6,000 metres (19,685 feet) under the ocean can find a plane 2,000 metres (6,500 feet) down," he told reporters on Tuesday in Guatemala, referring to recent oil finds by Brazil's state energy company in ultra-deep waters.

Authorities were at a loss to explain how a storm could have caused the plane, operated by three experienced pilots, to crash without sending a mayday call. [ID:nL2721255]

Officials from France have arrived in Brazil to lead the investigation with help from Brazilian teams.

Brazil's air force last had contact with Flight AF 447 at 0133 GMT on Monday when it was 350 miles (565 km) from its coast. The last automated signals, which reported an electrical failure, were received about 40 minutes later.
One theory is that a lightning strike or brutal weather set off a series of failures. But lightning routinely hits planes and could not alone explain the downing, aviation specialists said. [ID:nL1719357]

Two Lufthansa jets believed to have been in the same area half an hour before the Air France mishap could provide clues for investigators, the World Meteorological Organization said. [ID:nL21026278] (Additional reporting by Rodrigo Viga Gaier in Rio and Eduardo Simoes in Sao Paulo; Writing by Terry Wade; Editing by Todd Benson and Bill Trott)

[link to lite.alertnet.org]

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Planes will fly with potentially fatal flaw

A number of airlines, including British Airways, will continue to fly Boeing 777s despite running the risk of ice in the fuel supply leading to power failure. Rolls Royce is redesigning the affected part but said all 777s will not be fully modified until 2010.

The problem caused a BA flight from Beijing carrying 136 passengers to crash short of the runway at Heathrow airport last year.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

A bit more on steel.

India's Mittal-stand.(steel firm run by India's Mittal family expands overseas)(Column)

MENTION Mittal to an investment banker and he may simply think that you have the world, it is tempting to conclude that such obscurity is the banker's problem rather than its own. Yet it poses a particular difficulty for Lakshmi Mittal, who is the dauphin of the Is-pat empire that his father Mohan founded.

Most "Indian" multinationals have been set up by Indians after they emigrated. The Hinduja family, for instance, flourished first in Iran; its Indian empire is a more recent creation. By contrast, those whose fiefs were established in India have been slower to branch abroad.
[link to www.highbeam.com]

Heads world's largest steelmaker, $105 billion (sales) ArcelorMittal, which accounts for 10% of all crude steel production. Just delivered 580 tons to be used in construction of the World Trade Center memorial in New York. With 44% stake, is the company's largest shareholder. Longtime resident of London is Europe's richest resident.

Residence: London , United Kingdom, Europe & Russia

[link to www.forbes.com]

Last Edited by Lotus Feet on 06/03/2009 10:51 AM

I have a mate who is cabin crew he tells me all sorts of horror stories about the planes he flys on, the engineers fix most problems with duck tape.
Some of them have doors that could fall off at any time.

Having said that we still need to assume it was taken out until we can prove otherwise.

I say every thing that happens had a reason,

Namaste

Well you know these types of accidents comes in 3s. So wait for it...

In the meantime, whatever the cause, send some love to those who died as they are probably still in shock having their souls suddenly removed from their bodies...it's going to take a while to adjust...

What are they going Lie again, CNN, ABC, NBC what are they going to LIE, again, always LIES.

When they every thing will fall back in their FACE, when all the TRUTH comes out, and theye have to explain why they Had LIED always.

any new news on this?

You know, I was sure that when the 787 was designed, it'd finally come out with a side-stick, but it didn't. My neighbor across the street is a driver for Alaska, and they fly nothing but 73 next-gens.

He always tells me that he doesn't want me to get mad at him, and he loves the 73, but he would, just once, like the opportunity to drive his airplane with a dinner tray on his lap like the Airbus guys do.

However, given that pilot interoperability is a big cost-driver in the design of new airplanes, I'm thinking that Boeing will continue to build commercial airplanes with yokes on them for years to come.

Dang it.