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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193848
6/3/2009 8:58 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
One of the biggest shams on the public in history. oh and 911 of course Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56857
Don't forget the Theory of Evolution. Someday that theory will also be on the scrap heap of history along side global warming. |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 693891
6/3/2009 10:16 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
OZONE HOLE
BULLSHIT
OZONE FORMS NATURALLY AND IS SELF REGULATING. O2 WHEN EXPOSED TO U.V.V LIGHT ADSORBS ENERGY AND BREAKS DOWN AND RECOMBINES AS 03, OZONE, THUS ADSORBING THE UV LIGHT. LESS U.V, LESS OZONE. THE HOLE OCCURS DURING THE WINTER AT THE SOUTH POLE, NO SUN, NO U.V. NO OZONE.
THE FIRST OBSERVATION OF THE HOLE, WAS SEIZED BY A CHEMICAL COMPANY AND PROMOTED AS A HOLE AND BOY DID THEY FIND THE CAUSES. AND GUESS WHAT, THEY HAD THE CURE, AN EXPENSIVE UNNECESSARY USELESS REPLACEMENT THAT HAD COST THEM A LOT OF BUCKS TO DEVELOP.
DEAD ZONE, WOW CROOKS REPORT THE OBVIOUS AND THAT MAKES THEM GOOD. FAULTY LOGIC AT BEST.
JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE RECENT SAMS THERE EXPOSURE AND THE RESPONSE OF THE CROOKS THAT CAUSED IR.
TRANSFATS AND MARGARINE. APOLOGY NO, HEALTH ADVERTISING STOPS BUT STILL PUMP THE PRODUCT AND ALL RELATED PUSH, COOK BOOKS ETC.
SUN SHINE, YOU NEED VITAMIN D, DO THEY APLOGISE, NO THE SUN SCREEN STILL GETS PROMOTED.
GREENPEACE IS FULL OF WELL INTENTIONED PEOPLE, BUT THEIR FAITH AND ENERGY IS TOTALLY MISDIRECTED.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 395434
6/3/2009 10:26 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
Global Warming is not the problem only a symptom of the real problem. This planet cannot support 6+ billion humans. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693501
I heard that you could put 6+ billion people, shoulder to shoulder, in the State of Texas. |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 693891
6/3/2009 10:27 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
PLEASE TELL ME DEAR ECO WARRIORS WHY DO YOU BUY THE LIE, BUY THE FEAR, BUY THE TAX THE PEOPLE, BUY BLAME THE PEOPLE, RESORT TO SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED THREATS AND ABUSE. PLEASE, TELL ME WHY.
THE TRUE ECO WARRIORS ARE THOSE WHO SEE THROUGH THE LIES, WHO REBUILD THE TROICAL RAIN FORESTS, WHO PLANT GARDENS AND GROW THEIRE OWN STUFF, WHO INSULATE THEIR HOMES, WHO TRY TO INTRODUCE CLEAN TECHNOLOGY, WHO ACT.
CHALLENGE, I HAVE A SIMPLE DEVICE, CUTS FUEL CONSUMPTION BY 50%, INCREASES POWER BY 20% AND CUTS POLLUTING EMISSIONS TO ZERO, WANNA TALK.
GL |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 694377
6/3/2009 10:48 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
GOD
THE SILENCE IS STUNNING
GL |
| op
User ID: 694184
6/3/2009 10:48 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
Analysis of ice core data from Antarctica by Indermühle et al. (GRL, vol. 27, p. 735, 2000), who find that CO2 lags behind the temperature by 1200±700 years.
There are many examples of studies finding lags, a few examples include:
Indermühle et al. (GRL, vol. 27, p. 735, 2000), who find that CO2 lags behind the temperature by 1200±700 years, using Antarctic ice-cores between 60 and 20 kyr before present (see figure).
Fischer et al. (Science, vol 283, p. 1712, 1999) reported a time lag 600±400 yr during early de-glacial changes in the last 3 glacial–interglacial transitions.
Siegenthaler et al. (Science, vol. 310, p. 1313, 2005) find a best lag of 1900 years in the Antarctic data.
Monnin et al. (Science vol 291, 112, 2001) find that the start of the CO2 increase in the beginning of the last interglacial lagged the start of the temperature increase by 800 years.
Clearly, the correlation and lags unequivocally demonstrate that the temperature drives changes in the atmospheric CO2 content. The same correlations, however cannot be used to say anything about the temperature's sensitivity to variations in the CO2. I am sure there is some effect in that direction, but to empirically demonstrate it, one needs a correlation between the temperature and CO2 variations, which do not originate from temperature variations.
The only temperature independent CO2 variations I know of are those of anthropogenic sources, i.e., the 20th century increase, and CO2 variations over geological time scales.
Since the increase of CO2 over the 20th is monotonic, and other climate drivers (e.g., the sun) increased as well, a correlation with temperature is mostly meaningless. This leaves the geological variations in CO2 as the only variations which could be used to empirically estimate the effect of the CO2→ΔT link.
The reason that over geological time scales, the variations do not depend on the temperature is because over these long durations, the total CO2 in the ecosystem varies from a net imbalance between volcanic out-gassing and sedimentation/subduction. This "random walk" in the amount of CO2 is the reason why there were periods with 3 or even 10 times as much CO2 than present, over the past billion years.
Unfortunately, there is no clear correlation between CO2 and temperature over geological time scales. This lack of correlation should have translated into an upper limit on the CO2→ΔT link. However, because the geochemical temperature data is actually biased by the amount of CO2, this lack of correlation result translates into a CO2 doubling sensitivity which is about ΔTx2 ~ 1.0±0.5°C. More about it in this paper.
The moral of this story is that when you are shown data such as the graph by Al Gore, ask yourself what does it really mean. You might be surprised from the answer.
[link to www.sciencebits.com] |
| op
User ID: 694184
6/3/2009 10:53 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
One of the "scientific" highlights in Al Gore's movie is the discussion about the clear correlation between CO2 and temperature, as is obtained in ice cores. To quote, he says the following when discussing the ice-core data (about 40 mins after the beginning for the film):
“The relationship is actually very complicated but there is one relationship that is far more powerful than all the others and it is this. When there is more carbon dioxide, the temperature gets warmer, because it traps more heat from the sun inside.”
Any laymen will understand from this statement that the ice-cores demonstrate a causal link, that higher amounts of CO2 give rise to higher temperatures. Of course, this could indeed be the case, and to some extent, it necessarily is. However, can this conclusion really be drawn from this graph? Can one actually say anything at all about how much CO2 affects the global temperature?
To the dismay of Al Gore, the answer is that this graph doesn't prove at all that CO2 has any effect on the global temperature. All it says is that there is some equilibrium between dissolved CO2 and atmospheric CO2, an equilibrium which depends on the temperature. Of course, the temperature itself can depend on a dozen different factors, including CO2, but just the CO2 / temperature correlation by itself doesn't tell you the strength of the CO2→ΔT link. It doesn't even tell you the sign.
Al Gore uses pyrotechnics to lead his audience to the wrong conclusion. If CO2 affects the temperature, as this graph supposedly demonstrates, then the 20th century CO2 rise should cause a temperature rise larger than the rise seen from the last ice-age to today's interglacial. This is of course wrong. All it says is that we offsetted the dissolution balance of CO2 in the oceans. If we were to stop burning fossil fuels (which is a good thing in general, but totally irrelevant here), then the large CO2 increase would turn into a CO2 decrease, returning back to the pre-industrial level over a century or so.
Think for example on a closed coke bottle. It has coke with dissolved CO2 and it has air with gaseous CO2. Just like Earth, most of the CO2 is in the dissolved form. If you warm the coke bottle, the coke cannot hold as much CO2, so it releases a little amount and increases the partial pressure of the gaseous CO2, enough to force the rest of the dissolved CO2 to stay dissolved. Since there is much more dissolved CO2 than gaseous CO2, the amount released from the coke is relatively small.
Of course, the comparison can go only so far. The mechanisms governing CO2 in the oceans are much more complicated such that the equilibrium depends on the amount of biological activity, on the complicated chemical reactions in the oceans, and many more interactions I am probably not aware of. For example, a lower temperature can increase the amount of dust reaching the oceans. This will bring more fertilizing iron which will increase the biological activity (since large parts of the ocean's photosynthesis is nutrient limited) and with it affect the CO2 dissolution balance. The bottom line is that the equilibrium is quite complicated to calculate.
Nevertheless, the equilibrium can be empirically determined by simply reading it straight off the ice-core CO2/temperature graph. The global temperature variations between ice-ages and interglacials is about 4°C. The change in the amount of atmospheric CO2 is about 80 ppm. This gives 20 ppm of oceanic out-gassing per °C.
The main evidence proving that CO2 does not control the climate, but at most can play a second fiddle by just amplifying the variations already present, is that of lags. In all cases where there is a good enough resolution, one finds that the CO2 lags behind the temperature by typically several hundred to a thousand years. Namely, the basic climate driver which controls the temperature cannot be that of CO2. That driver, whatever it is, affects the climate equilibrium, and the temperature changes accordingly. Once the oceans adjust (on time scale of decades to centuries), the CO2 equilibrium changes as well. The changed CO2 can further affect the temperature, but the CO2 / temperature correlation cannot be used to say almost anything about the strength of this link. Note that I write "almost anything", because it turns out that the CO2 temperature correlation can be used to say at least one thing about the temperature sensitivity to CO2 variations, as can be seen in the box below.
It is interesting to note that the IPCC scientific report (e.g., the AR4) avoids this question of lag. Instead of pointing it out, they write that in some cases (e.g., when comparing Antarctic CO2 to temperature data) it is hard to say anything definitive since the data sets come from different cores. This is of course chaff to cover the fact that when CO2 and temperature are measured with the same cores, or when carefully comparing different cores, a lag of typically several hundred years is found to be present, if the quality and resolution permit. Such an example is found in the figure below. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/3/2009 11:09 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/3/2009 11:11 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
GLOBAL WARMING
=VATICAN LIES |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 694403
6/3/2009 11:22 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
Stupid Question here:
If Global warming is about having CO2 in the atmosphere and it's bad for us then why is it so beneficial for the plants and trees and if it's so beneficial to the plants and trees how can it be "bad" for us and our environment? Couldn't this "Global Warming" merely be a cycle in the Earth's Climate and in fact we are now seeing things cooling rather than warming?
Ok so it was more than one question but seriously.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692485
6/3/2009 11:27 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
Global Warming is not the problem only a symptom of the real problem. This planet cannot support 6+ billion humans. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693501
No it is around 1 billion leading everyone to destruction with hyper consumerism. Get your act together you parasites. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 694410
6/3/2009 11:31 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693085
Easy to post a bullshit flag. Now what exactly are you calling bs over. Do you think you might be able to expand upon your statement a little for us unenlightened souls.
Or are you just a NWO shill |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 667395
6/3/2009 11:40 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
It isn't global warming it's climate change and if you can't see it you are blind on top of stupid 
Like mankind ever could or ever will be able to stop something as powerful as natural climate change. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 694413
6/3/2009 11:58 PM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
What do you want to bet this doesn't show up on the Nightly News? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 683465
6/4/2009 12:17 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
Plane X = Galactic plane
The entire solar system is warming. Know it.
Gore sure does.
He gambled on the cycle's arrival, tried to cash in, and lost. Now he's scrambling as he waits for the actual arrival. At that time he'll say..... "I don't want to say I told you so.....but I told you so!"
And then all will bow to the con of man.
2012. |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 694377
6/4/2009 12:27 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF IGNORANCE, IS A LACK OF CLARITY EXEMPLIFIED BY THE RANDOM BULLSHIT FLAG.
OH KNOW WE GONNA DIE BUT NOBODY WANTS TO STEP UP TO THE MARK, ITS EASIER TO BLEAT LIKE A STUFFED PIG.
GK |
| ShaneCMuir
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6/4/2009 12:41 AM
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 365558
6/4/2009 1:32 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
[link to www.fourwinds10.com]
June 2, 2009
Dec. 2008)
650 to dissent at U.N. climate change conference
WASHINGTON – A United Nations climate change conference in Poland is about to get a surprise from 650 leading scientists who scoff at doomsday reports of man-made global warming – labeling them variously a lie, a hoax and part of a new religion.
Later today, their voices will be heard in a U.S. Senate minority report quoting the scientists, many of whom are current and former members of the U.N.'s own Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
About 250 of the scientists quoted in the report have joined the dissenting scientists in the last year alone.
In fact, the total number of scientists represented in the report is 12 times the number of U.N. scientists who authored the official IPCC 2007 report.
Here are some choice excerpts from the report:
* "I am a skeptic ... . Global warming has become a new religion." -- Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
* "Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly ... . As a scientist I remain skeptical." -- Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called "among the most pre-eminent scientists of the last 100 years."
* Warming fears are the "worst scientific scandal in the history ... . When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists." -- U.N. IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.
* "The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds ... . I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists." -- Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the U.N.-supported International Year of the Planet.
* "The models and forecasts of the U.N. IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity." -- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.
* "It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming." -- U.S. Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
* "Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." -- Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, New Zealand.
* "After reading [U.N. IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet." -- Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an associate editor of Monthly Weather Review.
* "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" -- Geologist Dr. David Gee, the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer-reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
* "Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp ... . Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact." -- Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch U.N. IPCC committee.
* "Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined." -- Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, Pa.
* "Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense ... . The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning." -- Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
* "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another ... . Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so ... . Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." -- Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
* "The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds." -- Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
The report also includes new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a climate developments that contradict the theory.
It is 4 degrees Celsius (39 Fahrenheit) today in Poznan, Poland, where the U.N. conference is being held. Quoting: No NWO funding now 693327
U are only a debunker. I've studiied it for 30 Y. Be so kind and read the book named Gaia by G.E.Lovelock. /40 Y old /.
Chemtrails ? No chemtrails ? 3 degrees in average temperatures ? Makig fools of everyone ???
Feel 4 U.
4wUnltd. |
| Springsongs
User ID: 226702
6/4/2009 1:36 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
Well, its just been plain old cold and rainy here in Colorado for the last few weeks... we will get up to the 80s for a day or two soon, but then its back into the 70's...
There are different hypotheses about why we are experiencing increased geological activity on our planet in the form of awakening and newly forming volcanoes as well as increased earthquakes. Weather is beginning to become somewhat mixed up as well.
The fact is, when you begin to heat up the oceans from below like a pot of water on the stove, the water on the surface evaporates in greater quantities and more moisture is put into the atmosphere. Then there is more precipitation - which we have been experiencing on our planet. Watch out for when the precipitation begins to fall during the colder months as snow...we have been seeing that happen as well. Record snows have happened even just this past winter. During the last ice age the climate on earth was generally drier in many places and the ocean levels were lower because much of the water was locked up in huge ice caps that reached down into what are now more temperate climates. Evidence of our having gone through all of this before is being discovered in the form of ancient ruins found under the ocean waters just off the coasts of the SE United States, in the Mediterranean, and off the coasts of Japan and India.
These events are all precursors to an oncoming ice age. How severe this ice age will be we do not know for sure.
What I do know is that people have a lot easier time thinking about living on a warmer planet than a colder planet...
And as I have said many times before. The one main thing that we need is some sort of massive effort to build enormous greenhouses that can withstand weather extremes because the fluctuation and unpredictable weather that accompanies the transition makes it very difficult to grow food. We are already beginning to experience that now.
The transition during climate change is what kills. An ice age itself is survivable once systems for growing food have been established. |
| andrew
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6/4/2009 2:32 AM
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there is climate change and there is general warming trend.
but its obviously not man-made |
| Jym
User ID: 694408
6/4/2009 3:12 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
"It turns out CO2 fluctuations follow the change in sea temperature. As water temperatures rise, oceans release additional dissolved CO2 -- like opening a warm brewsky."
TOP 10 WARMEST YEARS IN U.S. HISTORY
Rank Year Average temperature (F)
1. 2006 55.01
2. 1998 54.94
3. 1934 54.91
4. 1999 54.53
5. 1921 54.49
6. 1931 54.34
7. 1990 54.24
8. 2001 54.23
9. 1953 54.18
10. 1954 54.13
and the 1930's was the warmest decade on record.
[link to www.mlive.com]
and another good site...
www.isthereglobalwarming.com |
| Jym
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6/4/2009 3:19 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
"For most of the past 10,000 years temperatures have been 1.0 to 3.0 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today."
In a pair of recent editorials claiming humans are causing a global warming crisis, Ben Bova of the Naples Daily News disparages mere “assertions” while saying people need to rely on “observable, measurable facts.” While Bova’s concern for the environment is admirable, he should follow his own advice regarding assertions versus facts.
Bova asserts the Earth has a “rising fever.” Yet the fact is that global temperatures are unusually cool. For most of the past 10,000 years temperatures have been 1.0 to 3.0 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today. The 0.6 degree rise in temperatures during the twentieth century occurred from the baseline of the Little Ice Age, which saw the coldest global temperatures during the past 10,000 years. The Earth has a “rising fever” only if we pretend the Little Ice Age was “normal” and ignore the Earth’s long-term temperature facts.
Bova asserts “the loss of sea ice in the Arctic is threatening the survival of polar bears.” Yet the fact is that polar bear numbers have doubled since the 1980s. Moreover, Antarctic sea ice is growing and has been setting records for much of the past year. If “global” warming is causing receding polar ice, then why is Antarctic sea ice setting growth records?
Bova asserts “measurements show that the rise in global temperatures matches quite closely the increase in carbon dioxide.” Yet the fact is that solar scientists at Harvard and other leading universities have published research in the world’s leading scientific journals showing that temperatures match solar output much more closely than carbon dioxide, even in the twentieth century.
Bova asserts that as a result of global warming “much of our crop land turns to desert.” Yet the fact is that global precipitation and global soil moisture have increased during the twentieth century, and the Sahara Desert and other deserts around the world are in retreat.
Bova asserts we run the risk of breaching a “tipping point” or a “greenhouse cliff where the global climate shifts too rapidly for us to protect ourselves from its drastic effects.” Yet the fact is that in a recent survey of more than 500 climate scientists from around the world, less than half agreed that “assuming climate change will occur, it will occur so suddenly that a lack of preparation could result in devastation of some areas of the world.”
Bova asserts that in California’s Yosemite National Park, warmer temperatures are allowing mice and pine trees to live at higher altitudes than a century ago. Yet the fact is that fossilized trees exist at altitudes above the current California tree line, showing that temperatures were significantly warmer 1,000 years ago than today. Plant and animal species are migrating to higher elevations only in comparison to the abnormally cold temperatures of the Little Ice Age that ended just over a century ago. For most of the past 10,000 years, warmer temperatures enabled mice and trees to live at altitudes significantly higher than is possible today.
Global warming activism is long on unsubstantiated assertions and short on objective facts. Only by comparing today’s temperatures to the abnormal cold of the Little Ice Age—and by completely ignoring the warmer temperatures that predominated during most of the past 10,000 years—can global warming activists paint a picture of a planet suffering a global warming crisis.
Moreover, sound science has thrown cold water on each and every one of the alleged global warming crises, such as endangered polar bears, melting ice caps, etc., alleged to result from global warming. |
| Jym
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6/4/2009 3:22 AM | | Druid
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6/4/2009 3:56 AM
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Have you ever heard the flat Earth people and the Moon landing hoax people speak?
They sound an awful lot like you guys, the ones claiming that nothing is happening.
Did it ever occur to you that in helping the oil companies increase this problem YOU are working for the NWO?
I know, many of you think it is OK to trash the planet so that Jesus will come sooner, and at least that is a reason, if insane...
But what the heck are the rest of you doing?
It is fine to have mistaken beliefs. But don't get me killed, or other innocent people killed, because you can't believe that most of the scientists in the world may not be part of an evil conspiracy to tax you.
And all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"
And I'll look down and whisper "No." |
| Jym
User ID: 694408
6/4/2009 4:02 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
from the article right above you
"For most of the past 10,000 years temperatures have been 1.0 to 3.0 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today." |
| OP
User ID: 694558
6/4/2009 4:10 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
No one is talking about trashing the planet. We just don't like getting duped into paying taxes for something that we are not responsible for. Carbon tax. You think price are high now just wait.
Having said that. Just because global warming is a hoax doesn't mean we should not be good stewards of the earth. Reduce are consumption and dependence on oil etc.
I lived the last 10 years getting all my power needs for my home from solar panels. except for propane for cooking and refrigeration. I drive a 50cc scooter 75mpg most of the time. So I don't want to hear that just because I don't buy the global warming myth I am somehow hell bend on destroying the earth. peace |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/4/2009 4:34 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
The carbon tax is coming to your town soon.
"So are you all ready for the 90% utility increase coming soon ??
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Yep that is what congress was discussing today on c-span the carbon tax is going to be passed on to us via the utility companies ... The dems say they will help the poor pay the increase with programs like leap but what about the lower middle class which is ALWAYS screwed in these schemes they are not poor enough to qualify for help and have to pay out of pocket for everything and barely make ends meet now. This is going to be a huge blow for them. Also even middle class is going to suffer. Most people can't afford to pay double utilities.
Yep that is what congress was discussing today on c-span the carbon tax is going to be passed on to us via the utility companies ... The dems say they will help the poor pay the increase with programs like leap but what about the lower middle class which is ALWAYS screwed in these schemes they are not poor enough to qualify for help and have to pay out of pocket for everything and barely make ends meet now. This is going to be a huge blow for them. Also even middle class is going to suffer. Most people can't afford to pay double utilities."
"I don't know what percent they will be looking at but as I mentioned in another thread global warming is actually a cover name for the "demand destruction" of energy users. Pay attention for a moment. The wealthy can afford more efficient transportation, better homes, better clothing, and better food while most of the poor will be forced to do without. "Global Warming" = "Carbon Tax" = "Demand Destruction" = "Class Warfare" This way no rationing is needed. Communism rules the day yet again!" |
| ZETA FREAK
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6/4/2009 4:34 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
Planet X is what causes the climate change. Yes! 
Wisdom is Gold. Mind over Body. Spirit over Mind. Light over Spirit. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/4/2009 4:49 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
I can find a dozen links that give information to ice caps melting. You tell me why so many volcanoes are smoldering. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692124
ice caps always melt
its seasonal!!
its just one sided on the media. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 658548
6/4/2009 5:35 AM | | Re: Scientist at the UN meeting say global warming is hoax | Quote |
What's the downside of having a cleaner planet and air? Quoting: DrPostman
I like your way of thinking here |
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