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A Chicago ordinance banning handguns and automatic weapons within city limits was upheld by a U.S. Court of Appeals panel, which rejected a challenge by the National Rifle Association.

The unanimous three-judge panel ruled today that a U.S. Supreme Court decision last year, which recognized an individual right to bear arms under the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment, didn’t apply to states and municipalities.

“The Supreme Court has rebuffed requests to apply the second amendment to the states,” U.S. Circuit Judge Frank Easterbrook wrote, upholding lower court decisions last year to throw out suits against Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Illinois.

The Fairfax, Virginia-based NRA sued the municipalities in June 2008, one day after the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in District of Columbia v. Heller struck down a hand-gun ban in the U.S. capital district encompassing Washington.

“We clearly disagree with the court’s conclusion,” NRA attorney William N. Howard, a partner in Chicago’s Freeborn & Peters LLP, said in a telephone interview. “The next step will be an appeal to the Supreme Court.”

“We recognize that this may not be the end of this litigation,” Jenny Hoyle, a spokeswoman for the city of Chicago’s law department said, acknowledging the likelihood the NRA would seek further review. “We’re certainly prepared for that if this happens. We’re prepared to aggressively defend our ordinance.”

Second Amendment

Adopted in 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment reads in its entirety: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

In Heller, the high court struck down Washington’s 32-year- old gun law, which barred most residents of the city from owning handguns and required that all legal firearms be kept unloaded and either disassembled or under trigger lock. Six residents had challenged the law, saying they wanted firearms available in their homes for self-defense.

“Heller dealt with a law enacted under the authority of the national government,” Easterbrook wrote, “while Chicago and Oak Park are subordinate bodies of a state.”

Chicago’s law took effect in 1982, Hoyle said. While it allows ownership of long guns such as rifles, they must be registered annually with the city’s police department. Concealed weapons, semi-automatic and automatic weapons are not permitted.

Some exemptions apply to members of the military and law enforcement agencies.

Following Precedent

Chicago U.S. District Judge Milton Shadur on Dec. 4 rejected the NRA’s request that he apply the Heller ruling to the Chicago and Oak Park laws, stating he was bound to follow a 1982 appeals court ruling upholding a ban by the Illinois village of Morton Grove.

That decision came from the U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago, the same body that issued today’s opinion. The 15 judges of the Seventh Circuit hear appeals from the federal courts of Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin.

Easterbrook, joined by Circuit Court Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, said they, too, were bound to follow the precedent of a higher court, the U.S. Supreme Court, in its ruling on the Second Amendment not applying to states.

An appellate court departure from high court precedent “undermines the uniformity of national law,” Easterbrook wrote.

The judges rendered their ruling one week after hearing arguments.

Applicable Law

A San Francisco-based federal appeals court, with jurisdiction over cases from California, Oregon, Washington and six other Western U.S. states, in April ruled the Second Amendment can be read as applicable to states and counties.

Still, the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals’ decision in Nordyke v. King allowed to stand an Alameda County, California regulation that outlaws gun possession on county property.

Howard, the NRA’s lawyer, cited the Nordyke ruling as one of the reasons for his client’s challenge to the Chicago court outcome.

“This thing is headed for the Supreme Court,” University of Chicago Constitutional Law Professor Richard Epstein said in a phone interview.

“This is a question where you cannot run a split administration and there’s no way the circuits can resolve this amongst themselves,” he said.

The 7th Circuit case is National Rifle Association of America v. City of Chicago, 08-4241, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit (Chicago). The 9th Circuit case is Nordyke v. King, 07-15763, in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (San Francisco).


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this is how they are gonna try and do it...say its a federal right not a state or lower government right...its gonna get worse
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
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food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck
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this is how they are gonna try and do it...say its a federal right not a state or lower government right...its gonna get worse
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Try to do it? Damn, they ARE doing it!!!
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Their saying as a state's right the voter can vote out the gun law in their state or at least should be able to to do that which is fudging the Constitution.
But even in Dodge City you had to check your firearms at the city limits.
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So maybe it should be the choice of the city's?
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Their saying as a state's right the voter can vote out the gun law in their state or at least should be able to to do that which is fudging the Constitution.
But even in Dodge City you had to check your firearms at the city limits.
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But the Feds can't have it both ways by first telling the States that they must adhere to all Federal gun laws, and then turning around and saying they can ban guns.
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hey op you need to change that "automatic weapons", to
semi automatic weapons,
cause normal people can't own "automatic weapons",
in america
it's very misleeding.
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hey op you need to change that "automatic weapons", to
semi automatic weapons,
cause normal people can't own "automatic weapons",
in america
it's very misleeding.
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It's not mine to change, it's the exact wording of the Bloomberg article...go to the link and see.
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normal people can't own "automatic weapons",
in america
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BTW...US citizens CAN own automatic weapons.

The legal ownership of automatic weapons is a complicated process. Below is a brief summary of the current legal requirements focusing on private ownership. It is no means exhaustive and anyone considering private ownership is advised to consult a competent dealer regarding the details and requirements in your state.

The ownership of machineguns was first regulated at the federal level by the National Firearms Act of 1934. This act establishes the need for the approval of the Treasury to transfer or own a machine gun along with the payment of a $200.00 tax each time a weapon is transferred to or among individual collectors. In addition the weapons are registered in a federal database. These procedures remain in effect today as part of the federal tax code though they are administered by the Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

A second federal statute, The Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, created two broad classes of automatic weapons. Guns manufactured and registered prior to the acts date which can be owned by civilians. These are called “transferable guns”. Those manufactured on or following the acts date are restricted to manufacturers, dealers and government entities. There are additional restrictions on dealers and manufactures which are not detailed here.

Certain states have additional requirements on machine gun ownership over and above the federal regulations noted above. Some states ban ownership totally. In Massachusetts, for instance, an additional state License To Possess A Machine Gun granted by the local police department is required. To qualify you must be a certified firearms instructor or bonafied collector of firearms.

The first step in ownership is to locate the transferable firearm of your choice via a qualified dealer in your state. You may then begin the transfer process but may not take possession of the firearm until the transfer is approved. The entire process can take a few months to complete.

The transfer process involves submitting an application with photographs and fingerprints signed by your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer to the Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives along with a $200.00 transfer tax payment. Upon completion of a federal background check the Bureau will approve or deny the application. If approved a copy of the application is returned to you with the required tax stamp attached. At this point you may take possession of the firearm from the dealer.

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this is how they are gonna try and do it...say its a federal right not a state or lower government right...its gonna get worse
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ya that would fit with them uber arming thew police with m16's and other stuff.

the whole thin with guns anyway, is they would only be use localy, and not against the fed governments,

would allso explain the fema and dhs spending all that cash to get all the states emergency centers up and running.

yup this would explain alot of fed programs for states in the last 5 years.
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Their saying as a state's right the voter can vote out the gun law in their state or at least should be able to to do that which is fudging the Constitution.
But even in Dodge City you had to check your firearms at the city limits.

But the Feds can't have it both ways by first telling the States that they must adhere to all Federal gun laws, and then turning around and saying they can ban guns.
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Where does one start?
Washington DC isn't a state or a "city".

All we need is the right to vote out the people that make the gun laws in the first place, and then make a new gun law after that.
The Law is the gun
so we do need gun law.
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normal people can't own "automatic weapons",
in america

BTW...US citizens CAN own automatic weapons.

The legal ownership of automatic weapons is a complicated process. Below is a brief summary of the current legal requirements focusing on private ownership. It is no means exhaustive and anyone considering private ownership is advised to consult a competent dealer regarding the details and requirements in your state.

The ownership of machineguns was first regulated at the federal level by the National Firearms Act of 1934. This act establishes the need for the approval of the Treasury to transfer or own a machine gun along with the payment of a $200.00 tax each time a weapon is transferred to or among individual collectors. In addition the weapons are registered in a federal database. These procedures remain in effect today as part of the federal tax code though they are administered by the Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

A second federal statute, The Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, created two broad classes of automatic weapons. Guns manufactured and registered prior to the acts date which can be owned by civilians. These are called “transferable guns”. Those manufactured on or following the acts date are restricted to manufacturers, dealers and government entities. There are additional restrictions on dealers and manufactures which are not detailed here.

Certain states have additional requirements on machine gun ownership over and above the federal regulations noted above. Some states ban ownership totally. In Massachusetts, for instance, an additional state License To Possess A Machine Gun granted by the local police department is required. To qualify you must be a certified firearms instructor or bonafied collector of firearms.

The first step in ownership is to locate the transferable firearm of your choice via a qualified dealer in your state. You may then begin the transfer process but may not take possession of the firearm until the transfer is approved. The entire process can take a few months to complete.

The transfer process involves submitting an application with photographs and fingerprints signed by your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer to the Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives along with a $200.00 transfer tax payment. Upon completion of a federal background check the Bureau will approve or deny the application. If approved a copy of the application is returned to you with the required tax stamp attached. At this point you may take possession of the firearm from the dealer.

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i said not normal people.

and if you knew anyone with ffl you'd know the whole
automatic weapons thing take lots of cash and time and even then i think the atf has the finel say on if you get it
or not.

and sorry,
if that story had the words " automatic weapons",
like you put in your post them that fucked up,
casue normal people don't use them.
you know that right?
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In Obama's own hometown of all places.
Gee, no symbolism there!
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In Obama's own hometown of all places.
Gee, no symbolism there!
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At the Federal level gun law becomes politicized.
not good

At the state level it's to easy to manipulate the law and cause fear to spread of not owning firearm.
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Montana Law Short-Circuits Federal Gun Laws

This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," May 15, 2009.

BECK: And Joel Boniek. I'm sorry, I don't have my glasses. Joel and Gary are from Montana. You can tell because you don't see a lot of these on the streets of New York. Gary, this was actually your idea, this gun law. You started it. Tell me the theory behind it.

MARBUT: Well, the theory is to challenge the commerce clause power of Congress with a Tenth Amendment spin. What the bill says — there's now a law in Montana — is that any firearms, ammunitions and firearms accessories made and retained in Montana are simply not subject to any federal jurisdiction under the power of Congress to regulate commerce among the states

BECK: OK. Joel, you put this in. You're a state rep. You put it in. The governor signed it. It's now law. It goes into effect October 1st?

REP. JOEL BONIEK, MONTANA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: Correct.

BECK: OK. Why did you do this?

BONIEK: I believe that the purpose of government is to protect our life, liberty and our property. And when I saw this idea, I had been aware that the federal government has been overreaching in its power for a long time. And I thought, you know, this is something that appeals to me. And I didn't go to the legislature to be rubber stamped for more regulation. I went there to protect people's freedom, and this is a great vehicle to do that.

BECK: OK. So Gary, how does this work now? I go in and I buy — I mean, I don't have to have a federal background check on guns if this goes in?

MARBUT: Once this begins to bear fruit, that's correct. We plan to litigate this through the courts. And we have some other strategies we are working to effectuate this, but we all have to wait until it is resolved in the courts, I think.
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City should have the right to isolate firearms at the city limits. Federal law, make it so.
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its a little city who cares
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this is how they are gonna try and do it...say its a federal right not a state or lower government right...its gonna get worse
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WELL HERE IT IS FOLKS

YOU BETTER CALL YOUR REPS AND STOP THIS OR YOU WILL HAVE A REAL FIGHT IN YOUR HANDS

HERE IS THE GUN CONTROL IN REAL TIME!!

HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009
Please send this to everybody on your list...

this is Obama gun control by secrecy.


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Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.
This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.
To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.


Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

..It is registered
..You are fingerprinted
.You supply a current Driver's License
.You supply your Social Security #
.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
.Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25
- Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.


.There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

The Government
would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this..

[link to www.opencongress.org]

It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the wordalong.

FAILURE TO DO SO AT YOUR PERIL!


Any hunters in your family - pass this along.


Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning.


He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action".

Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA..

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.



This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

The Second Amendment... .America's original homeland security


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City should have the right to isolate firearms at the city limits. Federal law, make it so.
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The Natural Right to self protection is simply overlooked ? That's what the 2nd Amendment was all about .

Be that as it may this smells like a setup to me . Got the Sotomayor woman on deck taking the fallacious "well regulated Militia" means gove control stand , and who knows waiting in the wings should she go down , the SCotUS is getting fully packed to make another power grab .
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normal people can't own "automatic weapons",
in america

BTW...US citizens CAN own automatic weapons.




i said not normal people.

and if you knew anyone with ffl you'd know the whole
automatic weapons thing take lots of cash and time and even then i think the atf has the finel say on if you get it
or not.

and sorry,
if that story had the words " automatic weapons",
like you put in your post them that fucked up,
casue normal people don't use them.
you know that right?
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Normal people do use them. You would be surprised how wrong you are about all those assumptions you just threw down as facts.

I have an FFL, Class 1. Owning a pre-1986 manufactured automatic weapon is easy for any American to do, all it takes is some paperwork and if it is not EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED by the laws in your state, nobody can stop you if you want one. All it takes is some correctly filled out paperwork , a legal entity (LLC or corporation), and a $200.00 Treasury stamp. Believe me, I have a stack of them.

Every NFA weapon I own is separate from my FFL business, which could also deal in automatic weapons, but only to Police departments, Federal Agencies, the Army, etc... and for a yearly tax of $500 bucks. I think. THAT requires BATFE approval that can be denied.

I do not deal automatic weapons of any kind, the market is rather saturated and it would be a waste of money in taxes.
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Montana Law Short-Circuits Federal Gun Laws

This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," May 15, 2009.

BECK: And Joel Boniek. I'm sorry, I don't have my glasses. Joel and Gary are from Montana. You can tell because you don't see a lot of these on the streets of New York. Gary, this was actually your idea, this gun law. You started it. Tell me the theory behind it.

MARBUT: Well, the theory is to challenge the commerce clause power of Congress with a Tenth Amendment spin. What the bill says — there's now a law in Montana — is that any firearms, ammunitions and firearms accessories made and retained in Montana are simply not subject to any federal jurisdiction under the power of Congress to regulate commerce among the states

BECK: OK. Joel, you put this in. You're a state rep. You put it in. The governor signed it. It's now law. It goes into effect October 1st?

REP. JOEL BONIEK, MONTANA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: Correct.

BECK: OK. Why did you do this?

BONIEK: I believe that the purpose of government is to protect our life, liberty and our property. And when I saw this idea, I had been aware that the federal government has been overreaching in its power for a long time. And I thought, you know, this is something that appeals to me. And I didn't go to the legislature to be rubber stamped for more regulation. I went there to protect people's freedom, and this is a great vehicle to do that.

BECK: OK. So Gary, how does this work now? I go in and I buy — I mean, I don't have to have a federal background check on guns if this goes in?

MARBUT: Once this begins to bear fruit, that's correct. We plan to litigate this through the courts. And we have some other strategies we are working to effectuate this, but we all have to wait until it is resolved in the courts, I think.
[link to www.foxnews.com]
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So it can go both ways then.

Pro-constitution states versus anti-constitution states.
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So it can go both ways then.

Pro-constitution states versus anti-constitution states.
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Anyone else get the sinking feeling we're being set up for a civil war?
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molon labe....


come and TAKE em.
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Anyone else get the sinking feeling we're being set up for a civil war?
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you act surprised. welcome to the nwo pal.
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it's simply a matter of time
when and where will the first shot be fired?
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[THEY WANT TO BAN AS MUCH BLUE STEEL AS POSSIBLE BEFORE MARTIAL LAW KICKS IN

EASIER TO MANAGE THIS WAY

SS TROOPS HAVE A GLIMMER IN DA' EYE NOW!b]
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So by this logic we do not have freedom of speech or religion or of assembly in anything other than Federal matters? Only the FBI has to observe probable cause since it does not apply to the states?

Anyway, the correct thing to do is for the People to REVOLT. I love State's Rights but folks the United States Constitution was ratified and adopted by all of the states. It is the highest law in the land and its Bill of Rights list UNALIENABLE Rights that limit the government.

I have freedom of religion in all 50 states along with freedom of the press and no soldier may take quarter in my home without my consent in all 50 states. How is it that all Amendments are universal except the most important one? You are hearing decisions from COMMUNISTS who all need to be covered with Tar and Feathers among other things!

Screw these Communist faggots time to REVOLT! By the way the 2nd Amendment does not mention the words, GUN, PISTOL, RIFLE, MACHINE GUN, etc. So you understand a knife, sword, dagger, sling shot, baton, bat, club, spear or length of chain are all by definition ARMS.
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I have freedom of religion in all 50 states along with freedom of the press and no soldier may take quarter in my home without my consent in all 50 states. How is it that all Amendments are universal except the most important one?
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Good question.

Since it's the NRA's lawyers that are going to wind up arguing the case in front of the Supre Court, maybe we should write them a few letters pointing this out.

An excellent argument, point of law-wise.

Bear in mind that the founding fathers tried every
non violent means to get their point across before the shooting started.

We should do the same.

Even if the opposition are a bunch of criminal scumbags.
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Re: BREAKING: US Federal Court Upholds Gun Ban, Says Supreme Court Ruling On 2nd Amendment Doesn't Apply To States
So by this logic we do not have freedom of speech or religion or of assembly in anything other than Federal matters? Only the FBI has to observe probable cause since it does not apply to the states?

Anyway, the correct thing to do is for the People to REVOLT. I love State's Rights but folks the United States Constitution was ratified and adopted by all of the states. It is the highest law in the land and its Bill of Rights list UNALIENABLE Rights that limit the government.

I have freedom of religion in all 50 states along with freedom of the press and no soldier may take quarter in my home without my consent in all 50 states. How is it that all Amendments are universal except the most important one? You are hearing decisions from COMMUNISTS who all need to be covered with Tar and Feathers among other things!

Screw these Communist faggots time to REVOLT! By the way the 2nd Amendment does not mention the words, GUN, PISTOL, RIFLE, MACHINE GUN, etc. So you understand a knife, sword, dagger, sling shot, baton, bat, club, spear or length of chain are all by definition ARMS.

 Quoting: Cranky


FREE people do NOT ask permission.

FREE people defend the morally acquired fruits of their labor.

FREE people shoot tyrants and their lackeys (yeah you piggies in overstuffed uniforms) in the face when accosted.

FREE people would rather die on their feet then live on their knees and/or subject their children to servitude.

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Re: BREAKING: US Federal Court Upholds Gun Ban, Says Supreme Court Ruling On 2nd Amendment Doesn't Apply To States
This makes no sense.

States should not have the right to usurp constitutional rights!

If they do - they shouldn't be freakin' states.

So what's next? A state can rule that you have no right to free speech, and an official already elected can refuse to leave office and become a dictator of the state?

Good grief.

The people should rise up.

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