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"Orthodox Christians assembled the Bible not to bring all the gospels together, but rather to encourage uniformity. From the plethora of Christian gospels, Bishop Irenaeus compiled the first list of biblical writings that resemble today's New Testament around 180 C.E. By 393 and 397, Bishop Athanasius had a similar list ratified by the Church councils of Hippo and Carthage. By prohibiting and burning any other writings, the Catholic Church eventually gave the impression that this Bible and its four canonized Gospels represented the only original Christian view. And yet, as late as 450, Theodore of Cyrrhus said that there were at least 200 different gospels circulating in his own diocese. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia now admits that the "idea of a complete and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the beginning... has no foundation in history."

(Helen Ellerbe, The Dark Side of Christian History, p.16, pub. A.D.1995)


"You know, it's very interesting to think of the history of Christianity. During the first five centuries, there were lots of Christianities, lots of ways of being Christian. And then, in the period of Theodosius in the fourth century, the only religion allowed in the Roman Empire was the Christian religion, and the only form of Christianity allowed in the Roman Empire was the Christianity of Byzantium's throne."

(Joseph Campbell, The Power of Myth, p.248, pub. A.D.1988)


"From the very first centuries, what was to become Christian orthodoxy vehemently suppressed those Christians of psychic, shamanic, or visionary temperament called the Gnostics. The authorities of the early institutional Church soon established a strict orthodoxy of doctrine against to which all contrary views were stigmatized as heretical. When in 313 the Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official state religion, attempting to syncretize it with various sun-god cults, Christianity was left to deal with the many cults that swarmed within the Roman Empire. The monotheistic zeal to convert and eradicate the diversity of polytheism gave the Church an authoritarian character that has plagued the West ever since with schisms, councils, inquisitions, and witch-hunts..."

(Roger J, Woolger, Other Lives, Other Selves, p. 71, pub. A.D. 1987)


"It may truly be said that the blackest and bloodiest records that history can show us are the attacks of the Orthodox Church upon the Gnostic mystics."

(Frances Swiney, quoted by Lloyd M. Graham in Myths & Deceptions of the Bible, p.446, pub. A.D. 1991)


"The persecuted primitive Church of the second century was to become in the fourth century itself the persecutor, and whereas in the earlier period Gnostics had been able to engage in theological dispute with the orthodox, later they were sought out, excommunicated, and sometimes burnt alive for their heresy."

(Stuart Holroyd, The Elements of Gnosticism, p.22, pub. A.D. 1994)


"... Christians burned down one of the world's greatest libraries in Alexandria, said to have housed 700,000 rolls. All the books of the Gnostic Basilides, Porphyry's 36 volumes, papyrus rolls of 27 schools of the Mysteries, and 270,000 ancient documents gathered by Ptolemy Philadelphus were burned. Ancient academies of learning were closed. Education for anyone outside of the Church came to an end..."

(Helen Ellerbe, The Dark Side of Christian History, p. 46, pub. 1995)


"When the great library at Alexandria was ransacked by Christian fanatics in 387... an inestimable wealth of gnostic literature must have been destroyed. Until the nineteenth century the main source of knowledge of Gnosticism was, ironically, in the writings of the Church Fathers, who in their refutations summarised gnostic texts and often quoted at length from them.

In the nineteenth and present centuries a number of original gnostic texts came to light, the most sensational find being an entire library of fifty-two texts discovered at Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt in 1946. These, scholars later ascertained, had belonged to an ascetic Christian community which, fearing discovery by the ecclesiastical authorities and the consequences of being charged with heresy, had sealed up their forbidden library in a large jar and buried it in the sand beneath a cliff near their monastery in about the year 360."

(Stuart Holroyd, The Elements of Gnosticism)
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True Christianity is not Christianity so shunnnn the non believer.... shunnnnnnnn
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"True Christianity Has Been Persecuted To Extinction. What You Now Have is Counterfeit. A Deception."

It was more infiltrated by the enemies of Christ, which continues to this day. Alas, even the Protestant churches have been greatly weakened, not teaching the truth anymore as they are corporations, i.e., state-run churches.
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We have a perfectly preserved Bible, as God said he would.


Fact #1) The fact of the four-fold gospel is reflected in the "Muratorian Fragment" that Irenaeus was writing, around 170 A.D. The Muratorian Fragment lists for us basically the whole New Testament canon and it shows us that the four-fold gospel was an established fact by then.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Fact #2) We have approximately 50 manuscripts of the New Testament that PRE-DATE the Roman takeover of the established church in the 4th century.

Fact #3) We have more than 32 THOUSAND New Testament quotations from the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. In fact, we could recreate virtually the entire New Testament just from the quotes of the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. We can be QUITE certain that the New Testament we have today has come down to us just as it was from the earliest days, and we can be QUITE certain what they considered to be scripture.

Yes, the Roman government came along in the 4th century and corrupted and paganized the institutional church. There were many Christians who resisted this, and they were persecuted brutally. However, Christianity and the Bible were doing JUST FINE before Rome ever came on the scene.
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True Christianity Has Been Persecuted To Extinction. What You Now Have is Counterfeit. A Deception???

Unfortunately, if that were true, then God would be a liar, and I am sure the heck not going to be the one to call The Almighty a liar.

He told us that not one jot or tittle would fail, and heaven and earth would, if His word came to naught.

There has always been and always will be a remnant, however small, of faithful believers in the Most High, and in His redemptive work through His Son's life and death here on earth.

The difficulty in finding that unadulterated 'path' is just a part of the 'weeding' process'...no matter how twisted and torn that path may have been made by God's adversary--some will find it and follow it to its end.

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True Christianity Has Been Persecuted To Extinction. What You Now Have is Counterfeit. A Deception???

Unfortunately, if that were true, then God would be a liar, and I am sure the heck not going to be the one to call The Almighty a liar.

He told us that not one jot or tittle would fail, and heaven and earth would, if His word came to naught.

There has always been and always will be a remnant, however small, of faithful believers in the Most High, and in His redemptive work through His Son's life and death here on earth.

The difficulty in finding that unadulterated 'path' is just a part of the 'weeding' process'...no matter how twisted and torn that path may have been made by God's adversary--some will find it and follow it to its end.
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God told us not to add or subtract from the Word. Unfortunately, much has been added and subtracted, revised and manipulated. I think Jesus tells us where God's Word is. It's WITHIN!

hf
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God told us not to add or subtract from the Word. Unfortunately, much has been added and subtracted, revised and manipulated. I think Jesus tells us where God's Word is. It's WITHIN!

hf
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Hmmm. Let's hear from God what He thinks about our ability to 'find Him within ourselves':

Jeremiah 17:9&10
The heart is deceitful
above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?

Here's a good one, too:

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in YHWH with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;

:swllwtlbtr:

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True Christianity Has Been Persecuted To Extinction. What You Now Have is Counterfeit. A Deception???

Unfortunately, if that were true, then God would be a liar, and I am sure the heck not going to be the one to call The Almighty a liar.

He told us that not one jot or tittle would fail, and heaven and earth would, if His word came to naught.

There has always been and always will be a remnant, however small, of faithful believers in the Most High, and in His redemptive work through His Son's life and death here on earth.

The difficulty in finding that unadulterated 'path' is just a part of the 'weeding' process'...no matter how twisted and torn that path may have been made by God's adversary--some will find it and follow it to its end.


God told us not to add or subtract from the Word. Unfortunately, much has been added and subtracted, revised and manipulated. I think Jesus tells us where God's Word is. It's WITHIN!

hf
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Ieremiah 31:33
"But this shall be the couenant, that I will make with the house of Israel, After those dayes, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and wil be their God, and they shall be my people." hf
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Ieremiah 31:33
"But this shall be the couenant, that I will make with the house of Israel, After those dayes, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and wil be their God, and they shall be my people." hf
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And, when this prophecy is fulfilled in completion during and beyond the Millennium, there will not be a thousand different churches and doctrinal differences as is in the Body of Messiah, today.

And, scripture says it...'with the house of Israel', the Commonwealth of Israel, started on Mt. Sinai. It will be coming together again..Yehudah and Ephraim, two sticks in one Hand...no dispensationalism.

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There never was a true christianity; Paul was working on his own and was dead wrong time wise; no doom.

If you knew anything you would know "the son" was part of the rewrite of the original information we are supposed to know. THAT error was over 3000 years old by the time of Paul.
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We have a perfectly preserved Bible, as God said he would.


Fact #1) The fact of the four-fold gospel is reflected in the "Muratorian Fragment" that Irenaeus was writing, around 170 A.D. The Muratorian Fragment lists for us basically the whole New Testament canon and it shows us that the four-fold gospel was an established fact by then.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Fact #2) We have approximately 50 manuscripts of the New Testament that PRE-DATE the Roman takeover of the established church in the 4th century.

Fact #3) We have more than 32 THOUSAND New Testament quotations from the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. In fact, we could recreate virtually the entire New Testament just from the quotes of the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. We can be QUITE certain that the New Testament we have today has come down to us just as it was from the earliest days, and we can be QUITE certain what they considered to be scripture.

Yes, the Roman government came along in the 4th century and corrupted and paganized the institutional church. There were many Christians who resisted this, and they were persecuted brutally. However, Christianity and the Bible were doing JUST FINE before Rome ever came on the scene.
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AHHHH NO!

The Muratorian fragment is a copy of perhaps the oldest known list of the books of the New Testament. The fragment is a seventh-century Latin manuscript bound in an eighth or seventh century codex that came from the library of Columban's monastery at Bobbio; it contains internal cues which suggest that the original was written about 170 (possibly in Greek), although some have regarded it as later. The copy "was made by an illiterate and careless scribe, and is full of blunders" (Henry Wace[1]). The poor Latin and the state that the original manuscript was in has made it difficult to translate. The fragment, of which the beginning is missing and which ends abruptly, is the remaining section of a list of all the works that were accepted as canonical by the churches known to its anonymous original compiler. It was discovered in the Ambrosian Library in Milan by Father Ludovico Antonio Muratori (1672 – 1750), the most famous Italian historian of his generation, and published in 1740.[1]

TOTAL FAILURE!!!!!

The fragment is a seventh-century Latin manuscript bound in an eighth or seventh century codex

MODERN FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANITY IS THE LIE.

The Gnostics were persecuted and all texts that were not hidden were burned.

What we have now is Constantines version of Christianity.

Yes, that includes you Protestants.

It isa false counterfeit version intended to keep the people under control.
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Ieremiah 31:33
"But this shall be the couenant, that I will make with the house of Israel, After those dayes, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and wil be their God, and they shall be my people." hf


And, when this prophecy is fulfilled in completion during and beyond the Millennium, there will not be a thousand different churches and doctrinal differences as is in the Body of Messiah, today.

And, scripture says it...'with the house of Israel', the Commonwealth of Israel, started on Mt. Sinai. It will be coming together again..Yehudah and Ephraim, two sticks in one Hand...no dispensationalism.
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The true church and house of Israel are made of people, within, not without.
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I agree.. it makes baby Jesus cry to see what they have become.

They applaud the killing of another Christian in a Church.

I feel deeply connected to the Christ spirit ,it is beautiful and unconditional. I would never taint that by becoming a Christian.
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I agree.. it makes baby Jesus cry to see what they have become.

They applaud the killing of another Christian in a Church.

I feel deeply connected to the Christ spirit ,it is beautiful and unconditional. I would never taint that by becoming a Christian.
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Yeah, but there were no tears shed when the first century christians were slaughtered, and the leaders killed. Baby Jesus my ass.

They felt deeply connected too - until they were killed.
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We have a perfectly preserved Bible, as God said he would.


Fact #1) The fact of the four-fold gospel is reflected in the "Muratorian Fragment" that Irenaeus was writing, around 170 A.D. The Muratorian Fragment lists for us basically the whole New Testament canon and it shows us that the four-fold gospel was an established fact by then.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Fact #2) We have approximately 50 manuscripts of the New Testament that PRE-DATE the Roman takeover of the established church in the 4th century.

Fact #3) We have more than 32 THOUSAND New Testament quotations from the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. In fact, we could recreate virtually the entire New Testament just from the quotes of the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. We can be QUITE certain that the New Testament we have today has come down to us just as it was from the earliest days, and we can be QUITE certain what they considered to be scripture.

Yes, the Roman government came along in the 4th century and corrupted and paganized the institutional church. There were many Christians who resisted this, and they were persecuted brutally. However, Christianity and the Bible were doing JUST FINE before Rome ever came on the scene.

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The Muratorian fragment is a copy of perhaps the oldest known list of the books of the New Testament. The fragment is a seventh-century Latin manuscript bound in an eighth or seventh century codex that came from the library of Columban's monastery at Bobbio; it contains internal cues which suggest that the original was written about 170 (possibly in Greek), although some have regarded it as later. The copy "was made by an illiterate and careless scribe, and is full of blunders" (Henry Wace[1]). The poor Latin and the state that the original manuscript was in has made it difficult to translate. The fragment, of which the beginning is missing and which ends abruptly, is the remaining section of a list of all the works that were accepted as canonical by the churches known to its anonymous original compiler. It was discovered in the Ambrosian Library in Milan by Father Ludovico Antonio Muratori (1672 – 1750), the most famous Italian historian of his generation, and published in 1740.[1]


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I agree.. it makes baby Jesus cry to see what they have become.

They applaud the killing of another Christian in a Church.

I feel deeply connected to the Christ spirit ,it is beautiful and unconditional. I would never taint that by becoming a Christian.

Yeah, but there were no tears shed when the first century christians were slaughtered, and the leaders killed. Baby Jesus my ass.

They felt deeply connected too - until they were killed.
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Or the Buddists persecuted by the Chinese, or the Hindus persecuted by the Muslims,Or the Muslims persecuted by the Jews, or the Jews persecuted by the Romans.......ad infinitum....................

But the fact is Gnosticism was repressed. Their religious manuscripts destroyed.

Why? What did the early church have to hide?


The truth?

Fact. There are now available to be read many of these once thought lost texts.

I have read them all.

They tell a far different tale than what has become the "official"version.

Read the Nag Hammadi.
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I can confirm to all of you with the truth about the teachings of Jesus Christ. his number one teaching was how to attain illumination so you could have the kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. Those gospels were destroyed and the evil church out of the center of the Roman Empire went after Origen Adamantious and the Gnostics because they were teaching the real truth.

Any Catholic should research the inquisition that lasted 600 years. All Christians shouls ask why their ignorant pastor, priest or resident pedephiles never teach Christ's illumination techniques. Was it not Him that said live for today because the morrow will take care of itself. Do you think these churches are teaching you to be fearlless and live for today. No they focus on sin and end times.

Modern Christians no very little about the real teachings. They should study Buddhism and become closer to Christ again that way. Juesus studied the Vedas and the teachings of Buddha. These were his true teachers. The Old Testament id full of the same ignorance.
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The fragment itself dates fom the 7th or 8th century ad.

The original text it quotes probably dates from 150-200ad.

Many generations after the actual events transpired.

There are also many,many texts that tell a different story from the accepted books in the new testament that are as early or earlier.







The Muratorian Fragment is a portion of an early Christian document which contains a discussion of those books, now known as the New Testament, which were accepted by the churches known to the anonymous author of the fragment. The fragment is written in vulgar Latin, probably of the eighth century, but it is almost certainly a translation of a much earlier Greek document.

The fragment begins with what is probably a mutilated reference to Mark, and Luke and John are then mentioned as the third and fourth gospels, respectively. It is probable that Matthew was mentioned in a missing portion of the original. Thirteen letters are attributed to Paul and are enumerated in the following order: Corinthians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Galatians, Thessalonians, Romans, Philemon, Titus, and Timothy (the two letters to the Corinthians, Thessalonians, and Timothy are acknowledged). The letters to the Laodiceans and Alexandrians are specifically excluded as forgeries, and the existence of other unpalatable works is mentioned. Finally, Jude and two letters of John are mentioned approvingly, as are the Wisdom of Solomon and the apocalypses of John and Peter (although the latter is said to be rejected by some).

The date of the original Greek composition lying behind the present Latin text has generally been agreed to lie in the middle or end of the second century because of the statement in the fragment that "Hermas wrote the Shepherd very recently in our times in the city of Rome, when Bishop Pius, his brother, was sitting in the chair of the Church of Rome." More recently, Sundberg and Hahneman have contended for a fourth century date for the original of the fragment, emphasizing especially comparisons with eastern fourth century canon lists. Although their arguments have been persuasive to some, many scholars remain skeptical of their late dating. All would probably agree, however, that their work has stimulated fresh consideration of the development of the New Testament canon, to which the Muratorian Fragment is an important witness.
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Throughout all history, and through the darkest and brightest of times, God has always had a remnant of people who remain faithful to Him.
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The Nag Hammadi

The contents of the codices were written in Coptic, though the works were probably all translations from Greek. The best-known of these works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, of which the Nag Hammadi codices contain the only complete text. After the discovery it was recognized that fragments of these sayings attributed to Jesus appeared in manuscripts discovered at Oxyrhynchus in 1898, and matching quotations were recognized in other early Christian sources. Subsequently, a 1st or 2nd century date of composition circa 80 AD.
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The Bible is God's Word. Yes, there are other texts, but they generally do not concur with other scriptures (concordance) and thus are not valid. Furthermore, many of these other books, like Thomas and Mary of Magdalene ,ere written 200 or 300 years after the death of Christ- in other words, not direct accounts.

All of this said, 1 Corinthians is very fitting and we should not judge.
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What of these early Christians still exists?

I wish I could stay and discuss... but I have to go.

I will bookmark this thread.

Thank you for posting, OP.

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Christianity is false anyways... It has just incorporated a lot more BS over the years
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from the book, "The Case for the REAL JESUS" by Lee Strobel, page 37 when he is interviewing a Biblical scholar, Craig A. Evans, PH.D. it was said about the dating of the Gospel of Thomas around 50 or 70 A.D.:

"Oh that's absurd!"

and continues later on page 38 with much facts to place this all in perspective:

"What's more, a study by Nicholas Perrin has found that in places he Gospel of Thomas is also acquainted with the order and arrangement of material in the 'Diatessaron.' All of this means Thomas must have been written LATER than the 'Diatessaron' in 175."

and later on page 39 after even more compelling evidence he continues:

"Think about this: If 'Thomas Christians' were running around at the end of the first century, how come church fathers writing in the 90's, around 100 and 110, never refer to them? How come they don't appear on the radar until the end of the second century?"


You will find God in your heart and all around you and His Word, the Bible is your instruction book- accept Jesus as your savior and do the best you can to follow the commandments, the two most important being;

Mark 12:
30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
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Gnostic Catholicism is a fraud, the Bible predates Catholicism!!

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gnostic doctrine is false

Christians back then were doing the best they could just as today

they were under severe attack and persecution and no doubt lashed out rather than trusting God

here 2000 years later we have the results -- a damaged testimony

thank God we have the Holy Spirit today if we will hear His voice we don't have to harden our hearts

God LOVES it when we get out of His way and give the battle to Him

He says we will be put to death

but for us to live is Christ and to die is gain

against the fruits of the Spirit there is no law

yet we will suffer that's a guarantee -- mostly as we are dragged away by our own lusts -- but the world and the enemy and his minions have a role in that too

we wrestle not with flesh and blood but principalities powers spiritual hosts of wickedness in high places

the devil comes to lie steal and destroy

Gnostics were liars denying that Christ came in the flesh

He died for our sins and rose the third day -- we have eternal life when we turn from false ideas and believe Jesus. accept His free gift!

overcome evil with good -- while it us called to-day -- encourage others to good works to put evildoers to shame

vengeance is the Lords we are to love and feed our enemies He will heap hot coals on their heads

blessed are the peacemakers they will know peace

the joy of the Lord is our strength we have peace beyond understanding and rejoice through tribulations

we come into the Lord's presence with a sacrifice of praise confessing our sins entering through the veil of Jesus' body broken for us drinking from the cup of the new covenant we boldly approach the throne of grace and let our requests be known to God

we are kings and priests under the Lord's authority whatever we ask in Jesus name He will do and we overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony

overcome evil with good this is the way it works. trust in the Lord as cyzygy reminded us it's my favorite verse thanks cyggy

this is the day the Lord has made I will rejoice and be glad in it and count it ALL joy as I suffer various trials.

there is no hidden occult mystical enlightenment missing texts there is only the Blood of Jesus washing us clean rendering us white as snow

we look to our risen savior -- Jesus -- the author and finisher of our faith

the 66 books we have now are perfectly sufficient to garner all God wants us to know of His purpose and His plan -- full of grace mercy love and forgiveness

His Spirit shines through us as we walk with Him all that love and grace will shine through. we demonstrate the mercy and foregiveness He has shown us.

love peace and joy

rb
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Go visit the Jehovahs Witnesses. Christians as real as they get.
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Thankfully there is a perfectly preserved Living Word who is the "Law" and the "Torah" and every Word of YHVH to every "jot" and every "tittle"!!

He being those things perfectly and therefore the righteousness of YHVH for his people.

In that YHVH has made it possible to have that Life in the Blood of the true Passover Lamb applied to the altar of the heart of each of his Living Temples!

The carnal mind cannot fathom what is beyond the flesh and blood dust but that Spirit of Truth within.

YHVH puts his "Law" in the inward part of his temple, in the Holy of Holies, where that one resides within.

If he being the "Law"/Torah is put within, what then could be determined of his awesomeness and greatness by learning those things that witness of him. But they be learned knowing of whom is Being All Things even to the Light of all Mankind. By that Life in the blood of the Holy Spirit that is the blood flow of Truth/Torah/Law to his people.
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The Bible is God's Word. Yes, there are other texts, but they generally do not concur with other scriptures (concordance) and thus are not valid. Furthermore, many of these other books, like Thomas and Mary of Magdalene ,ere written 200 or 300 years after the death of Christ- in other words, not direct accounts.

All of this said, 1 Corinthians is very fitting and we should not judge.
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The bible is the word of the jewish elders and scribes.

Not the creator of the universe.

There are errors and inconsistencies in the bible as well as plain old evil atrocities attributed to the hebrew god.

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