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Should California secede?

 
calian
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Should California secede?
Why don't we ever hear about California seceding from the U.S. (Federal Government)? All we ever hear is, will Obama, through his grace and compassion, approve a bailout for California.

That is, will the Feds be kind enough to loan or grant California some fraction of the $100 or billion a year Californians render as tribute to the IRS each year. What do the people of California get in return for their billions in federal taxes (plus the trillions borrowed by the feds in their name)?

If it seceded, California would instantly solve it's budget problems. The question would then be, how to solve it's massive budget surpluses? It would instantly become one of the most prosperous nations on Earth!

Does Cali need the Fed? Or the other way around?

Should California secede????
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Re: Should California secede?
Is this real?


I never thought to see this question being asked.


OMG!
If you lose your common sense, you are completely lost.
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Re: Should California secede?
No. But hey! At least you spelled it right! :D
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06/04/2009 05:55 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Well, it's true, CA only gets back 75 cents for each dollar in taxes it sends the Feds. However, I think it would have trouble anyway, even with all those extra quarters.
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Re: Should California secede?
Is this real?


I never thought to see this question being asked.


OMG!
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Sometimes it's hard to be confronted with forbidden questions. I'd wager you attended public school.
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06/04/2009 05:59 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Well, it's true, CA only gets back 75 cents for each dollar in taxes it sends the Feds. However, I think it would have trouble anyway, even with all those extra quarters.
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I'd be very surprised if it got that much. Plus, your including non-productive federal outlays to defense contractors.
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06/04/2009 06:00 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
OK OP ask yourself if you do away from the fed gov could you support yourselves?

From here it doesn't appear so!



Now Montana and Texas are a different story.
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Re: Should California secede?
OK OP ask yourself if you do away from the fed gov could you support yourselves?

From here it doesn't appear so!



Now Montana and Texas are a different story.
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Absolutely! California has:

The most productive agricultural land on earth.

The most advanced technology industry on earth.

The best developed venture capital system on earth.

Many of the finest universities on earth.

And if it seceded, it'd have an extra $100 billion or so a year to play with.
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06/04/2009 06:03 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Well, it's true, CA only gets back 75 cents for each dollar in taxes it sends the Feds. However, I think it would have trouble anyway, even with all those extra quarters.


I'd be very surprised if it got that much. Plus, your including non-productive federal outlays to defense contractors.
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Those defense a lot of state taxes I know I work in that field.
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Re: Should California secede?
OK OP ask yourself if you do away from the fed gov could you support yourselves?

From here it doesn't appear so!



Now Montana and Texas are a different story.
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I think Texas and Montana would have a much harder time.
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Re: Should California secede?
Why don't we ever hear about California seceding from the U.S. (Federal Government)? All we ever hear is, will Obama, through his grace and compassion, approve a bailout for California.

That is, will the Feds be kind enough to loan or grant California some fraction of the $100 or billion a year Californians render as tribute to the IRS each year. What do the people of California get in return for their billions in federal taxes (plus the trillions borrowed by the feds in their name)?

If it seceded, California would instantly solve it's budget problems. The question would then be, how to solve it's massive budget surpluses? It would instantly become one of the most prosperous nations on Earth!

Does Cali need the Fed? Or the other way around?

Should California secede????
 Quoting: calian 694831



Yes, and institute a reign of terror that kills off all criminals from the pettiest to the worst. And then becomes self sufficient drilling oil off the coast.
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Re: Should California secede?
if it comes with a re-write of the california constitution, then i'm all for it.

that thing is a disaster.
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06/04/2009 06:05 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Yep, that would be the biggest slap in the face the Fed has ever had.

I think they should.

I would vote for secession if I lived in Cali.
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06/04/2009 06:07 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
OK OP ask yourself if you do away from the fed gov could you support yourselves?

From here it doesn't appear so!



Now Montana and Texas are a different story.


Absolutely! California has:

The most productive agricultural land on earth.

The most advanced technology industry on earth.

The best developed venture capital system on earth.

Many of the finest universities on earth.

And if it seceded, it'd have an extra $100 billion or so a year to play with.
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I disagree with almost everything you said and if were true cali wouldn't be in the hole right now.


You can't truly believe it's federal taxes bankrupting cali?
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06/04/2009 06:11 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
"Ecotopia", a novel by Ernst Callenbach back in teh '70's is about this.
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06/04/2009 06:12 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Secession would be the honorable thing for Cali to do.
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06/04/2009 06:14 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
You can't truly believe it's federal taxes bankrupting cali?
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Not just California.
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06/04/2009 06:26 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Yes.

California should secede.
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06/04/2009 06:27 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Yes.

California should secede.
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What about Pelosi? What about all the silly white libs? You'll still have them.
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06/04/2009 06:29 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
So you believe its federal income tax that is breaking California? The state that has the highest number of migrant workers who dont even pay taxes? For real? you think this? No wonder your state is in the shape its in, your in denial of your real problems.
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Re: Should California secede?
If I didn't live here I think Kalifornia should be.............never mind............
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Re: Should California secede?
Why don't we ever hear about California seceding from the U.S. (Federal Government)? All we ever hear is, will Obama, through his grace and compassion, approve a bailout for California.

That is, will the Feds be kind enough to loan or grant California some fraction of the $100 or billion a year Californians render as tribute to the IRS each year. What do the people of California get in return for their billions in federal taxes (plus the trillions borrowed by the feds in their name)?

If it seceded, California would instantly solve it's budget problems. The question would then be, how to solve it's massive budget surpluses? It would instantly become one of the most prosperous nations on Earth!

Does Cali need the Fed? Or the other way around?

Should California secede????
 Quoting: calian 694831


Are you fucking nuts? California HAS MORE PROBLEMS THAN ANY OTHER 2 STATES!

California HAD some of your list, but no longer.

You've also also got LIBTARDS, so now you HAVE NOTHING!!

1rof1
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Re: Should California secede?
Cut it off and throw it into the ocean.
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06/04/2009 06:44 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Yes.

California should secede.


What about Pelosi? What about all the silly white libs? You'll still have them.
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FIRED!!!
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Re: Should California secede?
Secede?...Yeah right!...Thanks to a bunch of fiscally incompetent nitwits in Sac-o-taters, Kalifornia is FUBAR!...perhaps the U.S. should consider showing them the door.

Last Edited by Joqui on 06/04/2009 06:52 PM
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Secede?...Yeah right!...Thanks to a bunch of fiscally incompetent nitwits in Sac-o-taters, Kalifornia is FUBAR!...perhaps the U.S. should consider showing them the door.
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I agree...looks like the rest of us are going to end up paying for fucked up Cali with higher taxes.
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06/04/2009 07:02 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
When CA leaves the union the rest will follow, game over
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06/04/2009 08:09 PM
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The rest of us should suceed from California. Build a big fance then buy your veggies.
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06/04/2009 08:16 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
Hmmm...

Pros:
Interesting question. On one hand, everyone in California wouldn't have to pay federal taxes, they get back less in federal funds then other states, and they are the 8th largest economy in the world WITHOUT the rest fo the us.

Cons:
California is sitting on several natural disasters waiting to happen and if the 'Big One' happens, they will BEG the Federal goverment to bail them out.

They have a woefully underdeveloped eletrical grid.

The federal goverment would undoubtedly remove all federal equipment and resources from the state.

California has no effective military and would fall easy prey to anyone with any sort of desire to crush them.

They are completely dependant on cars and have no oil resources and are completely dependant on the refineries in the rest of the US.

In the end, everyone would hurt and nobody would come out ahead.
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Re: Should California secede?
Why don't we ever hear about California seceding from the U.S. (Federal Government)? All we ever hear is, will Obama, through his grace and compassion, approve a bailout for California.

That is, will the Feds be kind enough to loan or grant California some fraction of the $100 or billion a year Californians render as tribute to the IRS each year. What do the people of California get in return for their billions in federal taxes (plus the trillions borrowed by the feds in their name)?

If it seceded, California would instantly solve it's budget problems. The question would then be, how to solve it's massive budget surpluses? It would instantly become one of the most prosperous nations on Earth!

Does Cali need the Fed? Or the other way around?

Should California secede????
 Quoting: calian 694831

I've got a better question. Can the rest of us kick California out for all the sick twisted liberal crap laws and regulations that originate there?

Look, I know some nice people in Cali so, I'm not hating on all Californians, but the federal government is not California's problem. California is California's problem. Your overly oppressive regulations and taxes coupled with world leading prolific spending on all maner of socialist programs, completely uncheck illegal immigration, and flat out insane housing costs have bankrupt the state.
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06/04/2009 08:23 PM
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Re: Should California secede?
It is silly for any state to secede because the generations of grandchildren who come in the future will simply unite the US again.

Sea to shining sea baby. Even 500 years from now, that desire will exist. Trade itself and free travel demands no fences or borders across this land. Again: It is trade and conservative love of nature which will allow free travel across America and I think this will remain a desire in the hearts of Americans for centuries.


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