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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 2:13 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
absolute BS. at least not in this life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 673975
I hear ya, I often feel the same way, but if you'll read what I've said, I accounted for the abusive levels of suffering being experienced by many here currently.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 2:15 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hebrew "experts?".....you forgot to include your source. Christ: "For false christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand." Matthew 24: 24-25 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667003
I did not, the source of the translation is listed at the top of the varied books, and is the very same thing publicized by said "experts".
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 2:25 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Can you clarify what you mean regarding letting go of our ego as a sidestepping measure?
is ego or worldly desires the same thing? if so, what can we learn from it, or utilize it?
It seems we all, most varying degrees, have come to rely solely on ego... which seems to be a different state from one's childhood.. i often wonder if ego could only take one so far... but now also wonder if it is what i think it is.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
The notion of letting go of one's ego is that of totally untying one's self from any worldly desire. In such does a person then eliminate their desire and "need" for a spouse and determination outside of a meager existence here. In such do those like monks and what not say they are getting "closer" to God, when in fact they are totally "truant" in the school of life. Such people are VERY difficult to get back into "school" and repeatedly walk away from the challenges being purposely presented to them here.
Our ego is that which makes each of us unique and also that which when immature makes us self absorbed and self serving. As with a baby, the ego doesn't need elimination but rather development and balanced inclusion in the overall being. Were ego eliminated, what would make anyone unique to themselves? Nothing, as everyone would appear an amorphous blob of similar appearing robots, something repugnant to our Creator as He/She Loves their children right down to their varied differences in ego.
The very "stage" of gender is that which drives the spirit into the material providing the motivation to "goad" spirits into the physical manifestation of their being. Such is something DESIRED by our Creator, as spirits without physical presence have no good way to express the Love being "sung" by our Creator.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 441472
6/8/2009 2:28 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
saxon
you kook egzaktli like a god in that av there
how it nonshalantly and serious at the same time
ignors the rest dor a reason, of course |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692744
6/8/2009 2:35 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
This seems as good a time as any to blaze the Earth. 
You be on some OTHER shit. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 2:36 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hello Saxon,
Can you describe what the rebellion was all about that can be blamed for all the suffering present today? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
The rebellion was founded on Twin Flame relationship infidelity, the purposed and targeted breaking up of these eternal relationships for the purposes of gaining power to the few at the helm of that effort.
It's not that suffering will ever be totally absent from the Earth as such is needed for spirit development purposes. However, these unprecedented levels of suffering here now have no use in the general development of spirits as can easily be seen that the current vineyard is devolving many more spirits than it evolves. But such was needed to set forth those few who would develop the ability to overcome the Beast and therefore "supplant" those of the rebellion who left their seats of rule high upon the Mountain of our Creator. In such then will the "inoculation" to the methods of Lucifer be provided as a top down "fix" to the rebellion as the rebellion originated as a top down problem.
Do you think it can be true that the 'children', those that the fallen watchers were supposed to, uh, 'govern', can in a sense come to know God, or Creator, more? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
Yes they can, and many will be surprised at the efficiency of salvaging of these very jaded and long hurt spirits. However, someone looking from the outside in will consider the more hardened among them to be living in "hell", where such is need for preliminary "breaking" purposes.
That if the children can overcome their own actions that the very fallen ones did themselves, that they can overcome all this suffering?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
Yes, that's the notion of the Dark mixing with the Light, not that the ways of the Darkness will be adopted by the Light, but rather that these hard experiences of the Darkness will eternally stabilize the Light making it much less likely to "fall" in the future. Brilliant innocence and purity always carries the "weakness" of easy targeting by the methods of the Darkness.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 2:52 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hello Saxon,
Can you share more the benevolent types that seems to get their asses handed to them, in a bag even?
you mean to suggest that those fellas or ladys get made examples out of? are you referring to prophets and such as daniel, elias, elijiah, jesus as well? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
The non-fallen Creation is roughly 7 times as large as this fallen galactic sector, generally holding "technology" infinitely more "advanced" than that held by the darkness, something which the darkness fails to realize as they imagine their continued existence to be based upon their "power" to "repel" the Light. Such has never been True, as the Darkness has always existed at the willing "allowance" of those of the Light as directed by our Creator.
Therefore, many on the outside looking in have volunteered for "special ops" missions here, hoping to make headway into either fixing family issues in regards to the rebellion (many of the non-fallen family lines have been compromised here as they extend into this realm much like our own family lines do on Earth in regards to Countries etc. ) When these types arrive here a large red target is drawn on their back and the battle lines laid out for "special treatment" of that spirit/person.
It is not uncommon for these types to be overcome in the fray of the battle and themselves get "stuck" in the prison here, hence the "game board" of the Luciferians world wide.
also in regards for one "winning back their freedoms", that the door is open, isn't there something to do, or shedding something, or perhaps a self realizational quality perhaps to get through the door? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
Yes, going through the door requires two basic completions, first the completion of the individual person as a fully integrated being in regards to their Heart and Love and secondly the then Integration of the two finished "halves" of the Twin Flames into the "two pillared" door of Jachin and Boaz, shown as the "Door to Heaven".
The "two earths"... it seems from many mystical sources, what you 'do', think and realize, for oneself, determines which of the "two" earths one chooses to stay, is this correct?
what is the factor of destination, isn't this related to Jesus' parable regarding the separation of the chaff and the wheat?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
Yes, largely the "resonant frequency" of the person determines which of the two larger window "drag nets" they get "caught" into, the "higher and lower" ranges, hence the whole notion of the chaff and wheat as you say.
This determination is mostly based upon the Heart, although the Mind needs adequate development to assist the Heart on its way through development. Once the completed "Door" graduates from here the Mind then becomes the greater focus of development upon the "foundation" of the Heart. Generally this is where the Children of God are noted as "Stones of Fire" in that the greater this capacity to Love, the more in tune they are with the Song of our Creator, thereby resonating much like an antenna properly tuned here resonates in power.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 3:01 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hello Saxon,
I also care to find to realize my own Truth. As to doing what makes one "feel good"... is that like the ostrich burying head idea, or being "blinded by the light" by too much love and light, but not enough discernment perhaps?
doing what one feels good, doesn't that seem like when we run towards are distractions, attractions, our pleasures, in our attempts to try to escape from our own suffering, which we all probably feel to varying degrees?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
Yes, although the goal here is to repeatedly choose to offer one's self up in Love to both one's self and others, the "ugly Truths" of this place must needs be navigated to dodge the purposed pitfalls to such successful application of Love. Love is not simply about feeling Loving, but even more about extending one's self to others when the exchange leaves one's self burning with the vehement SCORN of their anger with your offering.
In essence the term "Christ" is not a person nor the myth that has been presented to the world, but rather a Love development "level", that developed ability to "Love the Unlovable".
The balance of this realm is difficult to realize as everything has been purposely stacked against everyone here, and that balance is that between both Truth and Love, the Mind and the Heart, the Male and the Female.
Gender itself was designed as a reflection of these fundamental Truths, where the Male is more "logical" and mind oriented and the Female more Loving and Heart oriented, both synchronized for a far larger "being" than the two separate.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 698007
6/8/2009 3:14 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
How about a bunch a priests raping little kids? What are these kids supposed to learn from that suffering? |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 3:17 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
.....
"...fill my heart with song,
and let me sing forever more,
because you are all I long for,
all I worship and adore..
In other words please be true,
in other words I love you.."
Thank you.
This still leans way too heavily into the "you do it for me God" direction. Parents want to be PROUD of their Children, and such is no different in this case. This is akin to a child here who constantly expects his/her parents to come running to their "rescue" for every tiny issue.
The "worship" is simply repugnant to our Creator Parents in the same way as if your own children "worshiped" and groveled before your feet. Parents want LOVE, not "worshiping". The whole worshiping ruse is about Lucifer NOT our Creator Parents.
Hello Saxon,
Thank you for that. What if this is more simply along the line of adoration towards one's Creator. Is that cool?
I also do not feel that our Creator demands or expects worhip, but of one's self temperance and self evolution back towards the 'parents'... or how about 'worshipping' the Creator in us, as symbolized in the relationship of the Creator and the Creation... perhaps there is more. Would this make it 'luciferian'? Honoring or seeing it in this way?
Do you feel there is value for a human to be able to "see with eyes unclouded by hate"?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
Adoration of one's parents is typical when a proper Loving relationship exists between them, so no, adoring one's parents is not improper. Worshiping is in essence the convoluted twisting of such thing into something required. This is the twisted mechanism which Lucifer et al us to hog tie the unwitting into handing over their power in fear as the primary component to worship is in fact fear.
Our Creator Parents desire in similar way to the Loving mortal Parents here, to see their children mature and ultimately become "like" them, to see them happy and to see them prosper in ALL that they are. That in a nutshell describes the desire of our Creator Parents.
It's not so much about going "toward" them as becoming "like" them, although the meme of "climbing the Mountain" does use a distance notion to symbolize this becoming.
The only thing that makes any of this Luciferian, is the corruption of the discussion we're having with the notion of FEAR, that if you don't do this YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!!!!!
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 3:20 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
rofl, as if you had the real answer... do you at least realize how many millions of people claimed to have the real answer over the last millenars? and suddenly, there you are, with the right answer? pls, cut off the bullshit, at least for yourself Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380131
Indeed, and once upon a time, they told the same answer. The Truth is ever True regardless how many imagine such to be subjective and objective.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 3:22 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
See how easy it is to trash Christianity....in one sentence. What is the name of your system of beliefs? Who is the originator? How many followers do you have? How could I trash your beliefs in a book or to other people if I do not know it's name. Even all the cults of the world are not too scared to identify themselves with a name. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667003
How about Saxonism? Will that do? 
I have no idea how many "followers" I have, as I have no way to know. Also, I'm not looking for "followers", I'm looking to answer questions to those who are the captains of their own ships. Think of this as a yacht festival.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 3:26 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Saxon, how do you view the Jewish people? Quoting: Uriel
I view them as brothers and sisters who have been mislead to believe many things about others that just are not True. And like any large group of people, there are many varied groups within the whole that significantly differ even in what I stated above.
The question is much like asking someone how they view Americans, a question which is WAAAAAAAY to big to be answered here, and something I'd rather not get into on a thread that has nothing to do with that topic.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 667003
6/8/2009 3:58 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Because "god" doesn't exist.
These were pretty much my words in 1987 but by 1988 I was fortunate enough to connect with Him....and now know that He exists. So I have reported both sides of the argument in my lifetime, but now know that my beliefs up to the age of 33 were false.
"Him??" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Source of all Creation is a He??????" Well, come to think of it, a woman wouldn't fuck things up as badly as a "He." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 672251
Man rebelled against God and He has allowed us to go our own way for awhile........to never forget throughout eternity how we messed up the world without Him. Satan is currently the prince of this world.....so that is another reason things are messed up. But this will end when Christ returns. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 667003
6/8/2009 4:01 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
ego is a perfect tool when it become more used to looking inward instead of always looking outward. Desire becomes another tool for seeing your beliefs.
I desire this.... but why?
I feel I am lacking this or that?
what makes me wish this?
there are desires to make music, write peotry... and be generally creative.
then there is lust and 'wan: the lying king' and other sexual deviations... you can channel this creative energy where it wants to go, no?
It gets blocked here and there you wonder if you waste it... but it can't be wasted, it is infinite and depletion is impossible. It is just looping.
That's where you use your emotions as tools also... they show you how you are dealing with your desires and if your beliefs are fear based the emotional tools can be in turmoil..
..this is where the suffering comes from.
Yes, all the design constructs of the spirit are there at the beginning of spirit conception just as the beard on a grown man is there in the womb of his mother before he is born.
However, when it comes to the things of the spirit, simple passage of time does not make such things magically appear as with the beard. Bodies are made somewhat autonomous in some regards to give some freedom to the spirit to experience life.
Whereas the things of the spirit are left for the spirit to balance or not balance. Suffering isn't a byproduct of this struggle, but rather a needed tool in helping the spirit master the balance needed just like a gymnast needs still rings to develop and master the iron cross.
Suffering is not "bad", although like any implement such can be taken WAY to far as is often the case in this purposely tormented vineyard. A sword requires heating and beating to yield the final product and likewise too much heat and too much beating can totally ruin that same sword. Quoting: Saxon (777)
What is the name of this belief system? Who is the originator? What is the approx. number of followers? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 667003
6/8/2009 4:09 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
ego is a perfect tool when it become more used to looking inward instead of always looking outward. Desire becomes another tool for seeing your beliefs.
I desire this.... but why?
I feel I am lacking this or that?
what makes me wish this?
there are desires to make music, write peotry... and be generally creative.
then there is lust and 'wan: the lying king' and other sexual deviations... you can channel this creative energy where it wants to go, no?
It gets blocked here and there you wonder if you waste it... but it can't be wasted, it is infinite and depletion is impossible. It is just looping.
That's where you use your emotions as tools also... they show you how you are dealing with your desires and if your beliefs are fear based the emotional tools can be in turmoil..
..this is where the suffering comes from.
Yes, all the design constructs of the spirit are there at the beginning of spirit conception just as the beard on a grown man is there in the womb of his mother before he is born.
However, when it comes to the things of the spirit, simple passage of time does not make such things magically appear as with the beard. Bodies are made somewhat autonomous in some regards to give some freedom to the spirit to experience life.
Whereas the things of the spirit are left for the spirit to balance or not balance. Suffering isn't a byproduct of this struggle, but rather a needed tool in helping the spirit master the balance needed just like a gymnast needs still rings to develop and master the iron cross.
Suffering is not "bad", although like any implement such can be taken WAY to far as is often the case in this purposely tormented vineyard. A sword requires heating and beating to yield the final product and likewise too much heat and too much beating can totally ruin that same sword.
What is the name of this belief system? Who is the originator? What is the approx. number of followers? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667003
Never mind I see that you answered that above. And the prophecies continue to be fulfilled. |
| aonomous belaever
User ID: 603629
6/8/2009 4:53 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
OK... Look at it this way.You are a creation of God.You are a universe onto it self.You heart runs the universe and controls most everthing pertaining to you.God knows the heart,"the heart is wicked beyond all things"(it is written)who could know it!So here we are on a planet full of creation and all these "universes" running around doing mostly our own thing! Now God is the source of where we get all our energy to run our little world(person)and nature,So what message are we as individuals sending to our source?Now in the real world,God puts all things in motion,including help or judgement accordingly to all of this energy he provides us to run our little world!So if we turn against our source,like a machine,(the God machine) acts accordingly.It might be said we are what we eat! Now the source(God)is all things and in all things and if suffering is what it is,you might ask yourself,what did i do to deserve it!)Or you might say,well this person or that person didn't do anything why must they suffer?Well you would just have to dig deeper and search the matter out.In the end,you can only take care of you own little universe. We are a very complex machine!Formed from something that could only be seen under a microscope.Now the good news about all of this is a way to get closer to the source(God)our Father,through his son,an example as it were,Him in the human form!Yes you can own your own universe,a gift from our father,all you have to do is believe it!!!!!!!!!!TOUGH HAA.Its you choice the hard way or the easy way.If we,as a people and nations,could grasp and lay hold of our own selfs,the world in general might be a better place to dwell.And there would be less suffering.(This is my take on the thread) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 117166
6/8/2009 6:14 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
As long as we are all still playing nice, and not to be the thread contrarian, but, I also do not buy into the "fall of man" mythology. Now, of all the planets with life in all galaxies everywhere, could we be the lowest in vibration and most primitive? And could we not in the scheme of things and by decree by the higher in order of this universe suffer quarantine so that we might not bring the whole game to a stand still? Perhaps.
But I would submit that there is and was no single "fall" as it were. And does that not smack of and dovetail right into Christian allegory? And is it not agreed that Christianity is but mythology run amuck? How can we borrow the concept of satan and the fall of man yet discard "Jesus" who is part and parcel the natural suffering hero of this fictitious allegorical myth?
No, the allegory of Adam and Eve and a fall from grace is allegory and nothing more - except perhaps a shadowing or paralleling the greater universal reality which suggests that all operates in cycles - oscillating between what might be termed light and dark - as sentient life over time and quite naturally becomes not only enamored by material creation but the proud authors and subsequent slaves to their own creations - thereby descending into maya or illusion that what is created is real unto itself - summarily closing the awareness to the greater reality that belies and unites all that is.
Yes, man has probably descended into a material blind zone and lost focus and understanding of the true nature of life - but that is quite natural and has happened many times as depicted in history with the rise and fall of many vainglorious civilizations. It might even be witnessed in our own national economic cycles where we oscillate between abundance with ease of exchange and hard times of paucity and financial struggle. It is just the way things go, as it were, as these "bubbles" of "less" and "more" come and go. But does it necessarily denote an inherent problem with man or a separation as it were with source? No. Not in the greater reality. Are we "working" our way back to "god"? No. We are never without. We simply forget what we are, that we are, and all that is, is us. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 6:22 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Not sure exactly what you mean by cake walk. But many people that appear to be well off still suffer, and experience great pain. If you believe that you reap what you sow or in karma/dharma as one sorce for our possible sorrows then perhaps these people have a good karmic life in this reguard. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583695
Simply being wealthy in no way fits the "cake walk" designation. Being wealthy is one of the greater "trials" here and wealth comes in varied forms. The rich man is equivalent to the beautiful woman in wealth terms and each is generally poorly dealt with by most "tried" spirits. Cake walk in this discussion simply means a spirit who is tried very little in a given lifetime.
Yes, everyone reaps what they sow. There are no free rides to the top of the Kingdom.
Cakewalk people come in all forms and sizes. Suffering occurs when you lose self. Look outside of yourself, form attachments to illusionary things (tangible but transitory). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583695
That's interesting as the poster prior to yourself claimed that suffering occurs because one does NOT lose themselves. But, in any regard, suffering is something dished out here depending upon many things. The simple satisfaction of "karma" is not the only reason someone suffers here currently. Many times the "game" being played by the fallen here is "stacked" with "allowables" with which they hope to "take out" their "Light opponent". And often, depending what is needed by a given spirit, certain levels of suffering are requested to reach certain goals in their development.
We are all at different stages in out development. This does not mean that one person is better than another and we also learn about different aspects of life at different times. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583695
It's not necessarily about "better", but rather about more mature and hence of more "value" to the Kingdom in general, much as an adult compared to a child here in terms of a family.
A bum sleeping in the gutter or a billionaire could be more advanced than me but just working through a different set of programming on the journey home. We are all going home as we cannot leave part of ourself behind. Enjoy the experience of something other than self as that is why we are here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583695
Spiritual maturity tends to give certain outcomes here that can often be outwardly seen. The bum could be there for numerous reasons which could then have him there due spiritual immaturity or overwhelming circumstances. As always, each has their own "story" and it is very difficult for us here as inside humans often to make accurate assessments on limited information.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/8/2009 6:28 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
If you had children then you would understand that there is no greater gift of love than to send your innocent son off to die for others. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667003
I have 3 children, 22, 19, and 18, and I would never send my children off to go die for someone else as such is silliness in the extreme.
No man or god can "pay" for the "sins" of another. That is NOT the way this Creation works, nor could it ever work in that way as such totally destroys the free will construct and hence then likewise Real Love itself.
If you bothered to read your own bible you'd find that your Old Testament has your "god" railing at the reader concerning the EVIL saying that a man should pay for the sins of another while then turning 180 degrees out to then claim that "God sent his only begotten Son to die for your sins".
But hey, that's typical Hegelian Dialectic in action and most Christians blindly follow their mythical leader to the tune of their NWO masters.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/8/2009 6:42 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hello Saxon,
can you share in what ways 'weak-spirited' beings are protected here, or how they are protected?
would those that are "immature spirit status" perhaps be mistaken for being meek? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
Weak spirited beings here are purposely put in family situations and general positions as to not tax them too heavily in regard to spirit performance as such can easily overwhelm them. As a general rule, spirits here have family line members on the "outside" looking over them. Protecting them is not all that difficult due their low interest to the darkness. Instead it is the high profile spirits here that present a bit of a challenge to protect in terms of "Light workers".
Meekness is an often misunderstood word and is often though to mean weak, gutless and just an all around push over type of person. That's not really what that word means, especially in the older translation contexts.
i do wonder if meek people are considered losers? it feels that in a "kindness is a weakness" type of world, it would make sense why it could be seen this way to me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
Currently, mature spirits here are typically disliked by the darker/immature spirits here simply due their frequency differentials. Spirit conflicts of that nature operate on unseen planes of existence where darker spirits find those of the light just "vexing" to them for reasons they cannot put a finger on. Often dark spirits "like" each other and do not "like" brighter spirits. Birds of a feather tend to flock together is an accurate saying in regards to this phenomenon.
i feel like a hermit, and do wonder if i'm being a weak fella by not being in the world. do feel really weak in this regard, most times feels like one has to 'fake it', or wear a mask to do this, and is exhausting to an extent. Can see how this is a weakness though, and do wonder if I would one of the cakewalkers you described.
definitely feel in the world, to varying degrees, but not so much of the world, but still really into different aspects of it. hope that made sense.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
You're the expert on that topic as you're the only one holding enough information about yourself to draw that conclusion. Life loading here varies, but generally the more mature spirits have spouses and families as well as difficult contravening experiences to additionally load their lives. Typically high Kingdom loading is expressed in much the same way as it is in the Kingdom, with large family loads etc etc etc. And as I was pointing out, there are additional "amplification" factors which can GREATLY shoot those load factors to the moon, factors such as doing all of that while being cripple for example.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/8/2009 6:52 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
We suffer, until we realize we don't have to and life is no longer a struggle. It's the surrender that brings us close to the Source. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692124
The people in cancer wards can surrender all they like, but the pain and suffering of the cancer will continue, often until they die.
To tell people that the reason they are suffering is because they did something "wrong" with no known connection is a type of evil as such is telling them that their Creator is angry with them and of course "punishing" them when often nothing is further from the Truth.
The greatest spirits that have ever lived here are those who came here knowing they would TRULY suffer while doing what they came to do. Such is the REAL meaning of the "suffering servant", that of living a life racked in pain while waiting upon the children around them. The notion that one single bad day of dying makes one a "suffering servant" is pure nonsense.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/8/2009 6:56 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
saxon
you kook egzaktli like a god in that av there
how it nonshalantly and serious at the same time
ignors the rest dor a reason, of course Quoting: Anonymous Coward 441472
That's a real lived in castle I'm standing in there too. That pic is from spring of 2006. 
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 6:58 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
How about a bunch a priests raping little kids? What are these kids supposed to learn from that suffering? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 698007
What if each of those kids themselves raped children in their previous life? It's tough to call many of those things without having ALL the information on hand. And too, such could simply fall into the "abuses" pocket that I mentioned earlier on due the rebellion here.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/8/2009 7:03 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
ego is a perfect tool when it become more used to looking inward instead of always looking outward. Desire becomes another tool for seeing your beliefs.
I desire this.... but why?
I feel I am lacking this or that?
what makes me wish this?
there are desires to make music, write peotry... and be generally creative.
then there is lust and 'wan: the lying king' and other sexual deviations... you can channel this creative energy where it wants to go, no?
It gets blocked here and there you wonder if you waste it... but it can't be wasted, it is infinite and depletion is impossible. It is just looping.
That's where you use your emotions as tools also... they show you how you are dealing with your desires and if your beliefs are fear based the emotional tools can be in turmoil..
..this is where the suffering comes from.
Yes, all the design constructs of the spirit are there at the beginning of spirit conception just as the beard on a grown man is there in the womb of his mother before he is born.
However, when it comes to the things of the spirit, simple passage of time does not make such things magically appear as with the beard. Bodies are made somewhat autonomous in some regards to give some freedom to the spirit to experience life.
Whereas the things of the spirit are left for the spirit to balance or not balance. Suffering isn't a byproduct of this struggle, but rather a needed tool in helping the spirit master the balance needed just like a gymnast needs still rings to develop and master the iron cross.
Suffering is not "bad", although like any implement such can be taken WAY to far as is often the case in this purposely tormented vineyard. A sword requires heating and beating to yield the final product and likewise too much heat and too much beating can totally ruin that same sword.
What is the name of this belief system? Who is the originator? What is the approx. number of followers? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667003
I am the originator of this belief system and I have no name for it other than the Truth. To date I've not found anyone else who holds this overall inclusive picture. I have however been espousing it for several years on the net. I have no idea how many have found the picture I paint to be of help to them. 
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 698128
6/8/2009 7:22 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
ego is a perfect tool when it become more used to looking inward instead of always looking outward. Desire becomes another tool for seeing your beliefs.
I desire this.... but why?
I feel I am lacking this or that?
what makes me wish this?
there are desires to make music, write peotry... and be generally creative.
then there is lust and 'wan: the lying king' and other sexual deviations... you can channel this creative energy where it wants to go, no?
It gets blocked here and there you wonder if you waste it... but it can't be wasted, it is infinite and depletion is impossible. It is just looping.
That's where you use your emotions as tools also... they show you how you are dealing with your desires and if your beliefs are fear based the emotional tools can be in turmoil..
..this is where the suffering comes from.
Yes, all the design constructs of the spirit are there at the beginning of spirit conception just as the beard on a grown man is there in the womb of his mother before he is born.
However, when it comes to the things of the spirit, simple passage of time does not make such things magically appear as with the beard. Bodies are made somewhat autonomous in some regards to give some freedom to the spirit to experience life.
Whereas the things of the spirit are left for the spirit to balance or not balance. Suffering isn't a byproduct of this struggle, but rather a needed tool in helping the spirit master the balance needed just like a gymnast needs still rings to develop and master the iron cross.
Suffering is not "bad", although like any implement such can be taken WAY to far as is often the case in this purposely tormented vineyard. A sword requires heating and beating to yield the final product and likewise too much heat and too much beating can totally ruin that same sword.
What is the name of this belief system? Who is the originator? What is the approx. number of followers?
I am the originator of this belief system and I have no name for it other than the Truth. To date I've not found anyone else who holds this overall inclusive picture. I have however been espousing it for several years on the net. I have no idea how many have found the picture I paint to be of help to them.
NO NAME = EON MAN = ONE MAN = AMEN ON. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 7:49 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
ego is a perfect tool when it become more used to looking inward instead of always looking outward. Desire becomes another tool for seeing your beliefs.
I desire this.... but why?
I feel I am lacking this or that?
what makes me wish this?
there are desires to make music, write peotry... and be generally creative.
then there is lust and 'wan: the lying king' and other sexual deviations... you can channel this creative energy where it wants to go, no?
It gets blocked here and there you wonder if you waste it... but it can't be wasted, it is infinite and depletion is impossible. It is just looping.
That's where you use your emotions as tools also... they show you how you are dealing with your desires and if your beliefs are fear based the emotional tools can be in turmoil..
..this is where the suffering comes from.
Yes, all the design constructs of the spirit are there at the beginning of spirit conception just as the beard on a grown man is there in the womb of his mother before he is born.
However, when it comes to the things of the spirit, simple passage of time does not make such things magically appear as with the beard. Bodies are made somewhat autonomous in some regards to give some freedom to the spirit to experience life.
Whereas the things of the spirit are left for the spirit to balance or not balance. Suffering isn't a byproduct of this struggle, but rather a needed tool in helping the spirit master the balance needed just like a gymnast needs still rings to develop and master the iron cross.
Suffering is not "bad", although like any implement such can be taken WAY to far as is often the case in this purposely tormented vineyard. A sword requires heating and beating to yield the final product and likewise too much heat and too much beating can totally ruin that same sword.
What is the name of this belief system? Who is the originator? What is the approx. number of followers?
Never mind I see that you answered that above. And the prophecies continue to be fulfilled. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667003
What prophecies are being fulfilled if you don't mind my asking?
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 8:07 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
As long as we are all still playing nice, and not to be the thread contrarian, but, I also do not buy into the "fall of man" mythology. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 117166
Me either. Man did not and could not by definition "fall", as one cannot fall from where they have never been. No, those "falling" have to be those on "high", the archangels and watchers of old. The fall of man ruse was fabricated by the same for purposes of control and to push the blame off onto those they were supposed to be protecting.
Now, of all the planets with life in all galaxies everywhere, could we be the lowest in vibration and most primitive? And could we not in the scheme of things and by decree by the higher in order of this universe suffer quarantine so that we might not bring the whole game to a stand still? Perhaps. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 117166
Actually, the story I've seen has Earth in low vibration due the "fall" of those once looking after the place. THEY are the ones who have become trapped here and therefore tend to make really bad "cell mates".
Still, the quarantine is to protect the non-fallen from the very effective mechanization's of the fallen.
But I would submit that there is and was no single "fall" as it were. And does that not smack of and dovetail right into Christian allegory? And is it not agreed that Christianity is but mythology run amuck? How can we borrow the concept of satan and the fall of man yet discard "Jesus" who is part and parcel the natural suffering hero of this fictitious allegorical myth? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 117166
Yeah, that's partly True too as the "fall" continued pretty much unabated the whole time until the quarantine. The fallen tended to do "corruption runs" on the fairly gullible non-fallen.
Jesus is easily discarded for a couple of reasons.
1. There is no way to change the heart of another by simply dying for them
2. Man didn't fall, and therefore didn't/doesn't need a "savior". However, man DOES/DID need someone to break the fallen "log jam" here and open this place back up for ascension business. That took the form of an example set to the fallen Divine Feminine Collective and subsequent rebellion against the rebellion so to speak.
There's nothing like the wrath of a woman scorned/mocked.
No, the allegory of Adam and Eve and a fall from grace is allegory and nothing more - except perhaps a shadowing or paralleling the greater universal reality which suggests that all operates in cycles - oscillating between what might be termed light and dark - as sentient life over time and quite naturally becomes not only enamored by material creation but the proud authors and subsequent slaves to their own creations - thereby descending into maya or illusion that what is created is real unto itself - summarily closing the awareness to the greater reality that belies and unites all that is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 117166
Actually, when I read that "story" through in Hebrew on my lonesome, I found the real story to be talking about the original fall of the archangels and watchers. If you care to see what I saw, I posted it all here:
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The "push" of the Creator is drive the spirit into cohesion with the material so as to give spirit a place and way to manifest Love. In my estimation, that's a good thing even if the ride getting there is a bit bumpy.
Yes, man has probably descended into a material blind zone and lost focus and understanding of the true nature of life - but that is quite natural and has happened many times as depicted in history with the rise and fall of many vainglorious civilizations. It might even be witnessed in our own national economic cycles where we oscillate between abundance with ease of exchange and hard times of paucity and financial struggle. It is just the way things go, as it were, as these "bubbles" of "less" and "more" come and go. But does it necessarily denote an inherent problem with man or a separation as it were with source? No. Not in the greater reality. Are we "working" our way back to "god"? No. We are never without. We simply forget what we are, that we are, and all that is, is us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 117166
Those cycles here are purposed by the fallen for control of the masses, nothing more. As well all the fighting and general mayhem are the "perks" of living with a bunch of really bitter hooligans possessing more power and ability as is rightly good for the rest suffering under their collective thumbs.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/8/2009 8:08 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
ego is a perfect tool when it become more used to looking inward instead of always looking outward. Desire becomes another tool for seeing your beliefs.
I desire this.... but why?
I feel I am lacking this or that?
what makes me wish this?
there are desires to make music, write peotry... and be generally creative.
then there is lust and 'wan: the lying king' and other sexual deviations... you can channel this creative energy where it wants to go, no?
It gets blocked here and there you wonder if you waste it... but it can't be wasted, it is infinite and depletion is impossible. It is just looping.
That's where you use your emotions as tools also... they show you how you are dealing with your desires and if your beliefs are fear based the emotional tools can be in turmoil..
..this is where the suffering comes from.
Yes, all the design constructs of the spirit are there at the beginning of spirit conception just as the beard on a grown man is there in the womb of his mother before he is born.
However, when it comes to the things of the spirit, simple passage of time does not make such things magically appear as with the beard. Bodies are made somewhat autonomous in some regards to give some freedom to the spirit to experience life.
Whereas the things of the spirit are left for the spirit to balance or not balance. Suffering isn't a byproduct of this struggle, but rather a needed tool in helping the spirit master the balance needed just like a gymnast needs still rings to develop and master the iron cross.
Suffering is not "bad", although like any implement such can be taken WAY to far as is often the case in this purposely tormented vineyard. A sword requires heating and beating to yield the final product and likewise too much heat and too much beating can totally ruin that same sword.
What is the name of this belief system? Who is the originator? What is the approx. number of followers?
I am the originator of this belief system and I have no name for it other than the Truth. To date I've not found anyone else who holds this overall inclusive picture. I have however been espousing it for several years on the net. I have no idea how many have found the picture I paint to be of help to them.
NO NAME = EON MAN = ONE MAN = AMEN ON.
Hey man, good to see you around.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 117166
6/8/2009 8:44 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Well, I'm still not a fan of fallen anything, and I can't speak to explanations that seem metaphysically contrived, but I will say that I do get a strong sense that this planet in particular is of perhaps greatest focus from whoever or whatever the universal choreographers are - as we hover on the cusp, or more to the point, teeter on the precipice between balance and imbalance - as the disparity between forces of good intent vs forces of mal intent on this planet could not be any greater without the planet dis-integrating and perhaps tearing apart the curtain of space-time. Half the people want of this planet as the other half want to terrorize us all into oblivion. It has to find critical mass and soon. |
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