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| Anonymous Coward
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6/9/2009 9:39 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
My God actually Truly Loves their Children, EVEN those who have turned against them, just like a REAL Loving parent would do here.
Hi Saxon,
"Real Love". I have read a description of something called "PERFECT LOVE" which seemed like a force that is nurturing, healing, protective, fulfilling of one's PERFECT needs and that it moves and is present in all things.
Is it the same thing?
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/9/2009 9:48 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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Hi Saxon,
I know what you mean in regards to the 'give me love or I give you a black eye' kind of thing.
Anyway, from the song, just saw that adoration and love towards one "Creator Parents" or their/one's own 'higher self'...which I thought was kind of rare. An adoration out of love, and gratitude for the experience to play out amongst the stars and all.
didn't see any of that fire and brimstone FEAR stuff you were walking about.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Hi Saxon,
I guess I was trying to say, can one that really adore someone that puts the fear in them?
It be like adoring the sock em kind of parents to avoid their form of 'love'.. im sure it happens ("Thank you sir may I have another?!") but don't think the word works in that context as intended.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 11:39 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Can you share what the "mythical Jesus" is all about? 'All that is after the affect', is , well, after the affect...
Can we talk about the source, which later then got "after the fact" treatment? What was the 'addition' above originally referencing?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The mythical Christ is yet another retelling of a story that has been fronted by the Children of Lucifer since at least ancient Sumeria. The purpose is to put the sheep here into "hero worship" mode whereby they transfer their God given power to the uses of the fallen. Hero worship to the fallen is like a battery to an electric car, much like the people in vats are to the "machines" in the Matrix movie series.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 11:55 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hello Saxon,
Can we talk about the "memory wipes", a Tabula Rasa right (cleaning of the slate)?
They seem like 'relearning opportunities'. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Relearning/learning is the point to memory wipes, as past memories can interfere with the planned goals here as we discussed earlier.
In a sense, even beyond the incarnations here, there seems to a potential of a even bigger memory wipe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Not that I've seen. Memory wipes are a more Heart aimed tool than a Mind tactic. Outside of here the Mind is more the development focus rather than the Heart although both continue to develop.
I wonder if the spirit here is undergoing and experiencing a 'temporary separation' from the "godstate/hood" that you mentioned. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
They are for the most part, although the more immature have not actually achieved that status as of yet. Ultimately one receives an "oversoul" from which the more mature spirit "projects" into this realm for further development. The over-soul is the collector of the past life experiences in that case.
Or is it something else? Are there beings here that do not have 'amnesia'? For those that somehow can see into their past, is that like 'cheating'? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Allegedly their are methods utilized by the children of Lucifer here to retain those memories so as to grant them much advantage over their host masses here. The Emerald Tablets speak to this method.
I imagine, in a having an undeniable self glimmer of some past life experience would profoundly change one's view of the currently prescribed belief system of reality... of beings of crude physical matter.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Possibly, but such also would greatly detract from your simply acting to character thereby squashing your incarnational development plans.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 12:33 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
The movement into heaven or hell you describe sounds alot like a 'Law of Attraction'. Clumping of similar 'densities', maybe even a dualistic sink or float kind of thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The Divine Law of Attraction of the Sames in regard to spirits is an immutable Law which cannot be denied. This is not to be confused with the "law of attraction" making the rounds these days focused on gaining things.
As a Truth, you and everyone else will be going to be with others just like yourself outside of this place.
It seems there are beings that have gone down to hell, even to the lowest of the low, and come back playing the same ol tricks. What happened there? Loops holes or does one come to enjoy all the bad things they do onto another onto themselves, like a intense masochist?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The "key to the pit" represents the body making methods of the fallen in which the extremely immature spirits then have avenue to "escape" the varied development/containment systems there. The "reptilians" are a good example of that "key". Another method utilized by Satan here is Sexual Ritual Magik, in which nefarious spirits that could otherwise not incarnate here are given avenue to Earth. The general reptilian/insectoid body forms described in Revelations are geared toward that aspect of the "key" to the pit. Needless to say, certain body forms will needs be eliminated to put the pit system back in order.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 12:45 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Can you explain more the "ties that bind"? Can you also explain more the old rebellion targeting and breaking intended eternally unbreakable husband/wife unions...into sexual free for all?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The ties that bind are the binds of Real Love. This is what is being addressed in:
"That which is loosed on Earth is loosed in Heaven, and that which is bound on Earth is bound in Heaven."
This is the "bondage" to which Lucifer rebelled and the very reason that their battle cry is FREEDOM, written even on the lower level UFOs found crashed. In short, Lucifer et al hate Real Love and therefore redefine Love itself to their minions.
There exists a "wall" between the immortal and mortal realms, a virtual wall of Twin Flame unions. The newer graduates to the Kingdom directly "watch" those of their ungraduated family here as a sort of teaching/learning experience for them. As others after them graduate, they then move up to more advanced responsibilities. At the top of this Kingdom Structure are what have come to be called "Archangels", the more powerful and well developed of the structure. However, in days of old at the time of setting up this Earth, the rebellion was initiated and primarily aimed at the top "players", namely the Archangels.
Once the first Twin Flame pairs there broke, the dominoes began to fall, cascading down the side of the "Mountain" of God and eventually crashing through the above wall out into "mortal land", Earth. This is what is spoken to in the varied texts, including the Kolbrin. The Bible illusively refers to this point in time in Genesis chapter 6 in the deceptive translation. This was the source of the massive giants of the day, due the fallen's expertise in DNA/body design and manipulation. The actual direct Hebrew translation of Genesis directly begins with this statement.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 1:03 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Can we talk a little more in regards 'tuning', "their song", and getting "burned"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
As I stated earlier, each of us has a "piece" of God within. That is the "Divine Spark" to some, but generally the same thing. That is the part of us that ultimately allows us to directly "commune" with our Creator via their "Song". As a newbie immature spirit, this internal God "antenna" is randomly oriented and not controlled whatsoever. As many find here, occasionally this antenna will pass through close proper orientation giving short periods of Love power. Such is experience during "alter calls" in church services etc.
But, in general, the orientation of this part of one's makeup has to be personally controlled and maintained so as to continually tap the Song of our Creator Parents. As one matures so does this ability and the fineness of the tuning ability, hence the reason that some shine as bright as the sun.
With this process comes an ever increasing frequency and power emanation, such that those of less development will feel very uncomfortable in the presence of the other and literally get "burned" should they make physical contact.
Isn't 'tuning' sort of like letting go, or surrendering, some of our beliefs or aspects that hinders our ability
to 'hear the song'? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Part of tuning is "letting go", as such allows the antenna to be moved. However that is only the first part, and the reason that the "alter call" experience generally dissipates for most Christians, as they're expecting someone outside themselves to orient their personal antenna.
Yes, a belief which expects an outsider to tune one's own antenna is going to greatly hamper that development as planned by Lucifer and gang.
What is the "burning"? Are they the very reaping experience from unwise or unknowing actions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Burning is apparently a spiritual sensation involving much pain. However, I'd be surprised if actual spiritual damage occurs with such, but of that I am not certain.
And all the trouble that the "Luciferians" go through to "muddy the waters"... along with all the priorities in this darker "vineyard"..... isn't the affect of that the ability to 'tune'? So all the currently worship of the qualities that are the foundation of 'this' kingdom, wouldn't you consider them worldly (or down in the muck), and that something about the ego must change from this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yes, the efforts of the Luciferians is aimed at contention and division, actions which thereby disorient the sheep and making their "tuning" very erratic at best. Such makes the vampire duties of the fallen much easier and more palatable to their low frequency tastes.
the word ego... maybe i don't know what that word means... i equated that to mean "worldly ego", or things we believe about ourselves that blocks out the view of godhood, or heck even divinity itself. Which i would imagine would affect how one viewed, thought, or know about oneself and creation.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Ego is what sets you apart from others around you, that part of you that makes you you. To kill ego totally is to make you go away and your identity vanish in regards to others around you. This not the desire of our Creator, but rather a contra wise move to their intent.
As the whole meme of male and female as well spiritual and physical is desired to be integrated via desire and ego, the elimination of either destroys that process along with the hoped platform of Love display. Both ego and desire are to be matured and integrated into the whole for balance.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 1:13 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
The "Rub" for me is that in regards to the 'priorities' of current kingdom it appears it would be hard to gain a sense of "understanding of their heart" that finds the King and Queen of that 'other' Kingdom you described. It feels something must be 'surrendered' or let go. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Finding the Heart of our Creator Parents begins with the easier task of "finding" their Kingdom. By "finding" I mean "discovering/understanding", and in such understanding of the outward manifestations of their designs begin to understand the Heart which drives that picture.
To know the Kingdom is the King and Queen, as their actions belie the Heart within in regards to their Kingdom and "subjects/Children". One cannot Love someone that they do not know, hence the importance of finding the Kingdom.
Do you think it is possible, that even in in 'this vineyard/kingdom'.... that other Kingdom is here and all around... we just cannot perceive it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
All of the Kingdom is interconnected in space and time, the very reason that Watchers can pop in and out of this dimensional reality. Truly, one is NEVER alone.
Even this 'quadrant of the galaxy'... is it really separate from the Kingdom on some level?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
No, all parts of the Kingdom are connected and equally "watched" all the way to the top of the Kingdom "Mountain". In actuality, the Kingdom is like an onion, with the sequential dimensions in "layer" form going to the center where "sits" our Creator Parents. From that "place" does the Song of Love emanate. However, even that is but a simplistic visual as these dimensions literally share space and time in tandem.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 1:23 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Speaking of kings and light preferences... isn't it up to the being to bring out or draw inspiration from either king of darkness or light, a "mirror to a king"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yes, everyone chooses every day whether they are aware of such or not.
For one to "understands THEMSELVES"... perhaps leads to understanding what "Real Love" is about... which leads to how one sees themselves and their fellow man.. towards "the end of the road". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yes, Truly Loving yourself and understanding yourself is the first part of the growing process. "Know Thyself" is aimed at that fact.
Are you sure there is no sense of 'surrendering' or transforming the ego or 'worldly' aspects of the ego involved for one to come to that sort of understanding?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The "surrendering" to which you refer is the loosening of the "grip" a spirit has on the things surrounding them, the reversal of the "I must have everything" mode of immaturity. There are two distinct groups of people here, the "givers" and the "takers", generally that can be called the mature and immature respectively, although the fallen are notorious takers due to the bitterness that has overtaken them rather than being simply immature. The fallen are rather mature in Mind while being very atrophied and therefore unbalanced in Heart. Such makes for exceedingly HATEFUL beings.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 1:32 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
I think several replies back you mentioned memes and their 'originators' or source... so in regards to memes..
who or what was be the source of the wheat and chaff one? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The likely source of that meme was the Essene teacher who lived somewhere between 300 and 80 BC. Apparently, the more profound teachings on Love "caged" in the New Testament were taken from this man who was presenting a bit of a power/control issue to the children of Lucifer. Therefore, they took his teachings, and used those as the "love" garb for their enhanced Jesus the Christ story, the Messiah to end all Messiahs.
memes, seems to require a 'suitable vehicle' as well that will accept it and then transmit it...
I'd like to know the idea behind what was sent out in regards to that meme. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The idea of the meme is the end time separation between the two windows of being frequencies, higher and lower. IMO, the Earth will snap to its higher level, with those here suitable going with Her, while those lower will be "swallowed up" back into Her "Pit system" of spirit development.
Also, what did you mean by "Light Wave"?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The Light Wave is a version of the same thing, with the KBA or whomever snapping up the spirits and sorting them to their places as stated above. The Light wave shows more detail on how the spirits get to where they are going.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 1:41 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
So the "Emperor of Rome", did they merely present themselves as and become the 'officially licensed speakers' of a fictitious being or did they distort, and perform 'additions' "after the affects" or a real being? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The Emperor of Rome didn't specifically generate the writings of the day, but the higher up families surrounding him did, getting into high gear with Constantine and Constantinople. The Bible took hundreds of years to fabricate, and hundreds of meetings similar to the more commonly known meeting at Nicaea. In essence, the Bible is a veiled carrier of the pantheon of gods and goddesses venerated by these varied families. The Mystic Occult Crowd, the great lovers of secrecy and coding, represented most every detail of their beliefs in their Bible in coded form.
Also in the whole above process, as described earlier, the Love teachings of the Essene Teacher were partly incorporated as "love bait" to the unsuspecting, so that the followers could speak of "love" and act out of division and hatred in typical Hegelian MO.
A being who wanted to show people, who had fallen so low in their 'ignorance', didn't even know 'what they have always been missing'? imagine there were some beings who "made bank", continue today perhaps keeping people ignorant of 'what they've always been missing', whatever that may be.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
That's the point of the mechanizations of the fallen, to keep the sheep ignorant, divided, hating and therefore trapped in their little "battery bank". That's how they maintain and grow their kingdom and power.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 1:51 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Are you saying that "kindness is a weakness" here? It would be hard to argue that we live in world where kindness is a weakness, but as a beings who believe this, it paints a bleak picture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Kindness in and of itself is not a weakness. However, kindness devoid of discernment of motive can be very dangerous to the spirit of the unsuspecting. It is not enough to know that the fallen are "bad", but rather one must KNOW how they operate and why they do what they do. Otherwise, one ignorant will fall prey to their tactics.
Often, "kindness" is played where consequence NEEDS to operate for the betterment of the spirit involved. This world is now notorious for coddling the wrong doer and punishing those looking to do right by those around them.
"Targeting" - this is like the proverbial "nail that sticks out gets hammered", or "how dares you question the Codes and the Laws (heathen!!)?!?!", right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Targeting for the fallen has more to do with positions of power, hence the reason they focus most of their attention on the greater spirit threats that show up here. For those they virtually surround them as a group and "play" every "allowed" malady against their "opponent" hoping to crush the life out of him/her, thereby blocking them from reaching their goal.
It feels that the brilliance which seems to be the qualities of innocence and purity, which I think we all exemplified as children to some level, appears to be a factor in "getting through the eye of the needle", or heck even realize the "kingdom of heaven (on earth)".
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
It is, but at the same time, as explained above, such needs to have the knowing and understanding of the ways of the dark, something that often shuts down the very thing you describe. In some arenas this is known as:
"Be as wise as a serpent and loving as a dove", or some such.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 2:00 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
It most time 'feels' that is it the mind that is having a hard time listening, or getting to know, the Heart.
The bigger challenge seems for the mind to overcome some of it's, uh, 'programming', or conditioning. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The Mind has a difficult time here by design of those running the "show". Yes, the intense Hegelian usages in the realms of "love", make Heart development very tricky at best. Typically the methods involve the "banging" from one "stop" to the other of understanding being either or of two positions. To the masses, Love/understanding is either "Love and Light" OR "Knowing the Beast". The mixture of these two realities is needed to Truly Overcome the Beast.
It seems the mind can tune out the Heart only for so long. It feels we can bury the communication with our attachments for distractions such as pleasure, entertainment, 'convenient-thinking/groupthink', escapism, and denial. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The longer one blocks out the Heart, the more quiet the Heart becomes, finally reaching the extreme darkness seen within the realms of the embittered fallen types. Once totally out of tune with the Song of Love, the fallen then are forced to "suck the life" from those no so "dark". That's where the whole Vampire meme originated. Yes, entertainment has several purposes not the least of which are simple distraction and indoctrination.
But in the end, it seems like one can't lie to oneself any longer, and we still suffer silently, in our own way, until this is addressed in some form.
It feels this is where the "Children of God" know what this means.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The Children of God inherently know the Truths of which we speak although the very immature tend to coarsely refer to such things.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 2:12 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
In essence the term "Christ" may imply a being that is 'Christed'? A being that strives to do and express as that, minded the "Love development Level", to practice something like understanding Unconditional Love, or Real Love?, that develop the ability to "Love the Unlovable"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
You could say that, although many misunderstand the notion to be an "anointing" from God where they are magically poofed into something ala Disney style. Christ is a word akin to "full" on a gas tank, or "top" on a Mountain.
Balance... this kingdom/vineyard... female and male qualies... logic and heart.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yes, this balance is mirrored to varying extents in everything we see. One without the other ultimately degrades into a phantom of its former self thereby making the whole unbalanced unhappy and generally miserable.
Definitely get a sense we lack balance, one aspect is adored and dominating over another. So the mind and the heart, I always perceived ego to be in more the mind category for some reason.... and in reflection of the state of the world. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Ego is more a Mind aspect as you say, and the Mind running wild without the Heart has some extremely out of control egos attached. The irony of this is that those I've come across proclaiming their success in "killing" or suppressing their ego are by far the most egotistical of all.
Do miss some of that loving Heart side of the female, the divine. This is why it feels that the mind, the ego, the worldy attachments, whatever word will work here, is the one that needs more attention and love it feels.
Or there is a lack of this aspect.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yes, and this is what the age of Aquarius entails, the reintroduction of the "water" of the Divine Feminine back into this burned Male driven desert. Initially there will be much steam, hissing and general muddiness, but once the mix is back in, everyone will be much the happier.
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6/9/2009 2:30 PM | | Anonymous Coward
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6/9/2009 2:39 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon.
Sometimes, it feels like the biggest form of "caking walking" is not being true to oneself.
Kind of like having to or choosing to wear a mask that is conducive to exist in this 'this current' kingdom. (hey we all prostitutes by definition then, wow) One that doesn't even leave room for alot of things we are discussing here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Not being True to one's self and one's goals is a general bad idea here as such takes you where you are supposed to go. However, do not misconstrue the arrival of adversity as having "made the wrong choice". When flying bombing raids, the most intense anti aircraft fire is encountered the CLOSER one gets to their intended target.
As for being "prostitutes", the kingdom of Lucifer tends to force that issue in one way or another, as one cannot "beat" a foe they do not touch.
It also feels that it take alot of courage to be true to oneself especially in contrast to the truths of others, and aspects of both being 'massaged' by certain aspects of cultural and social belief systems, programming.
That being true is another form of warriorship, and that it doesn't feel like a "cake walk" most of the time.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Courage is key to advancement currently in this very challenging place. One must "stick to their guns" while discerning when to listen and when to stand one's ground. Everyone generally has hold of some Truth in one way or another, and knowing what this is is key to building one's picture of the Kingdom. The challenge is an integration challenge, as the puzzle picture pieces of the Kingdom were purposely separated and hidden behind the walls of the different religions to make sure they never got put back together. |
| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 2:39 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon.
Sometimes, it feels like the biggest form of "caking walking" is not being true to oneself.
Kind of like having to or choosing to wear a mask that is conducive to exist in this 'this current' kingdom. (hey we all prostitutes by definition then, wow) One that doesn't even leave room for alot of things we are discussing here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Not being True to one's self and one's goals is a general bad idea here as such takes you where you are supposed to go. However, do not misconstrue the arrival of adversity as having "made the wrong choice". When flying bombing raids, the most intense anti aircraft fire is encountered the CLOSER one gets to their intended target.
As for being "prostitutes", the kingdom of Lucifer tends to force that issue in one way or another, as one cannot "beat" a foe they do not touch.
It also feels that it take alot of courage to be true to oneself especially in contrast to the truths of others, and aspects of both being 'massaged' by certain aspects of cultural and social belief systems, programming.
That being true is another form of warriorship, and that it doesn't feel like a "cake walk" most of the time.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Courage is key to advancement currently in this very challenging place. One must "stick to their guns" while discerning when to listen and when to stand one's ground. Everyone generally has hold of some Truth in one way or another, and knowing what this is is key to building one's picture of the Kingdom. The challenge is an integration challenge, as the puzzle picture pieces of the Kingdom were purposely separated and hidden behind the walls of the different religions to make sure they never got put back together.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 2:40 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon
I was wondering what your view of Jesus is in all this? Quoting: Queerious 592743
I covered that a few posts up.
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| Saxon (777)
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6/9/2009 2:51 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Id like to know more the meekness of the older contexts. I wonder if humility, innocence, purity, fertile and open minds are examples of those.
Our current meekness is weakness, or meatness is well know.
Look at how we treat our own, anything else considered 'weaker' sometimes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
I wouldn't get too wound around the axle with the meek word. Such is just one of the renderings of what was probably a Greek or Aramaic word and rendered into English as best as possible. Translation is NOT a "science" as many presume.
In current context of belief system, which then is ego related, if we view our selves as meat and see others as meat... i wonder what that would entail. What a law of jungle kind of vineyard. Many of us seem to see the world this way in our mind, which i think ego plays a role. Some of the things it sees and acquired affects what and how it is seen on the 'outside'. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Eat or be eaten is the ultimate destination of divide and conquer, where Love is been removed and replaced with the chains of competition, everyone competing to show themselves "worthy" of Love. It's very sad to watch in action.
"additional amplification factors" - would a being that truly knew oneself, what it is, see it in everything, be considered an amplification factor? A being that is true to the "True" that you mentioned several times here? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Amplification factors are generally additional loading circumstances and conditions. For example, a man who carries a significantly heavy family load while also himself being a suffering cripple is a good but extreme example of an amplification factor. Such is like throwing the largest dead weights on a barbell of someone bench pressing already massive weight. It's a spirit strength thing.
Looking at how we treat our meat, mind or ego, or whatever, seems to have a hard time hearing the Heart in this matter.
But then, it does seem hard to empathize with Mind, almost like it's the wrong tool for it sometimes. Do wonder if the mind is strong, if the heart remains unheard.
Especially from those that are considered 'weaker', and get gangstered.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Heart development of a True nature is specifically targeted in this place for control purposes and prisoner retention.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/9/2009 3:06 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Not true, because this post has to do with God, and the Jewish people were chosen by God, and the Torah was given to them.
The Jewish people were "chosen" by Lucifer(actually Set at the time), their "god", plain and simple, and one doesn't have to spend a whole lot of time in their Talmud and Kabalah to to figure that out. For the most part, the more serious Jews consider the Torah to be laughable goyim bait window dressing.
I want to know how your "God" difers from the Christian and Jewish God.
How so many generations of Christian and Specially Jewish can be so wrong.....for you to come here and undermine 1000's of years of written History and Prophecy.
You have mentioned that you have met God Himself, just wanted to know how..and what he is like.
My Creator Parents differ in that they are not Lucifer and don't speak of "punishing" children to 7th generations and wrongly treating their own Children due their WRATH and VENGEANCE. My God actually Truly Loves their Children, EVEN those who have turned against them, just like a REAL Loving parent would do here.
No one is getting a free pass here. For those who have greatly wronged their brothers and sisters, they have MUCH personal back tracking to deal with in regard to their spirit, that which involves MUCH pain and suffering. Some would consider that "penance" for what they have done, but that's not so much the goal as turning the spirit around. In all of this does forgiveness need to reign supreme, with those who have wronged to be TRULY regretful and SORRY for what they have done, and as well those they hurt willing to forgive and heal.
In such is the transformation of the darkness and the betterment of the Light.
You are describing Jesus, the Son of God. Quoting: Uriel
Only in part, as Jesus says, follow me, worship me or I'm going to toss you mercilessly in hell without reprieve forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
And too, Jesus totally lacks the Divine Feminine just like all the other similar stories that preceded his.
Everyone knows the Talmud and the Kabalah is a product from Lucifer.
Not true,..for the most part true Jews are Followers of the Torah given to them by God. This does not mean they practice all what they believe, as must of us Christians dont either, everyone strugles in this life we all know that as no one is perfect, except God. Quoting: Uriel
The number of Jewish Torah only worshipers is a small small fraction of the whole, with many of them claiming to be such while secretly believing wholly in the Talmud and Kabalah. In any regard, believing ones "people" to be chosen and everyone else to be either a freaking "cow" (goyim) or a "gentile" is EXTREMELY detrimental to the Heart development of a person.
The whole "lineage" determination of "rule" is Luciferian to the core.
As well the notion of "perfection" is a total ruse of the "must need saving" bullshit of the writers of the story. Perfect means mature, not "perfect", something that makes the existence of a person TOTALLY superfluous to our Creator. That is NOT the Creation intent.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/9/2009 3:10 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Thank you for that and do agree with you. However I was also sort of asking you on the 'bro' level if you have ever experienced this.
What do you mean by "large family loads" in regards to the Kingdom?
"Life loading" - you mean individual challenges and life lessons?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Life loading comes in many forms and can generally be thought of as "responsibilities" to those in ones care. The ancient Hebrew shows men as carrying life loads in sheaf bags worn around ones neck.
Therefore, complications to this situation add to the loading.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/9/2009 3:12 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
My God actually Truly Loves their Children, EVEN those who have turned against them, just like a REAL Loving parent would do here.
Hi Saxon,
"Real Love". I have read a description of something called "PERFECT LOVE" which seemed like a force that is nurturing, healing, protective, fulfilling of one's PERFECT needs and that it moves and is present in all things.
Is it the same thing?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Either yes, or very similar. Perfect is often a proclamation of impossibility though thereby totally dissuading the traveler at the onset of the trip. It's about maturity, not "perfection".
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/9/2009 3:17 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
I guess I was trying to say, can one that really adore someone that puts the fear in them?
It be like adoring the sock em kind of parents to avoid their form of 'love'.. im sure it happens ("Thank you sir may I have another?!") but don't think the word works in that context as intended.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The "fear" you describe is born more of respect for that person or God. Action based upon fear of punishment is only of value here on Earth to keep the masses within windows of operation where Real Love might sprout and grow.
The fear of that type does not exist in the respect I'm describing above, as to know someone Loves you is to also know they'd never do what one would "fear" in the way you think.
And that's the kind of mindset our Creator seeks in regard to ourselves concerning our stance to their understanding.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Sara-Ka-El
User ID: 656628
6/9/2009 3:18 PM
 | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
For the same reason it is not 70 degrees F and sunny everywhere in the world all the time.
From Cooperate Law to Public Defense
Truth is a Stranger to Fiction
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 512435
6/9/2009 4:47 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Not true, because this post has to do with God, and the Jewish people were chosen by God, and the Torah was given to them.
The Jewish people were "chosen" by Lucifer(actually Set at the time), their "god", plain and simple, and one doesn't have to spend a whole lot of time in their Talmud and Kabalah to to figure that out. For the most part, the more serious Jews consider the Torah to be laughable goyim bait window dressing.
I want to know how your "God" difers from the Christian and Jewish God.
How so many generations of Christian and Specially Jewish can be so wrong.....for you to come here and undermine 1000's of years of written History and Prophecy.
You have mentioned that you have met God Himself, just wanted to know how..and what he is like.
My Creator Parents differ in that they are not Lucifer and don't speak of "punishing" children to 7th generations and wrongly treating their own Children due their WRATH and VENGEANCE. My God actually Truly Loves their Children, EVEN those who have turned against them, just like a REAL Loving parent would do here.
No one is getting a free pass here. For those who have greatly wronged their brothers and sisters, they have MUCH personal back tracking to deal with in regard to their spirit, that which involves MUCH pain and suffering. Some would consider that "penance" for what they have done, but that's not so much the goal as turning the spirit around. In all of this does forgiveness need to reign supreme, with those who have wronged to be TRULY regretful and SORRY for what they have done, and as well those they hurt willing to forgive and heal.
In such is the transformation of the darkness and the betterment of the Light.
You are describing Jesus, the Son of God.
Only in part, as Jesus says, follow me, worship me or I'm going to toss you mercilessly in hell without reprieve forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
And too, Jesus totally lacks the Divine Feminine just like all the other similar stories that preceded his.
Everyone knows the Talmud and the Kabalah is a product from Lucifer.
Not true,..for the most part true Jews are Followers of the Torah given to them by God. This does not mean they practice all what they believe, as must of us Christians dont either, everyone strugles in this life we all know that as no one is perfect, except God.
The number of Jewish Torah only worshipers is a small small fraction of the whole, with many of them claiming to be such while secretly believing wholly in the Talmud and Kabalah. In any regard, believing ones "people" to be chosen and everyone else to be either a freaking "cow" (goyim) or a "gentile" is EXTREMELY detrimental to the Heart development of a person.
The whole "lineage" determination of "rule" is Luciferian to the core.
As well the notion of "perfection" is a total ruse of the "must need saving" bullshit of the writers of the story. Perfect means mature, not "perfect", something that makes the existence of a person TOTALLY superfluous to our Creator. That is NOT the Creation intent. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Jesus teaches of two different paths that we can choose from , you must remember He came to rescue, not to toss anyone in to the pit. If you teach your children not to tuch fire because they will get burned, you are not tossing them in to the fire..you only telling them the consequences of they'r own actions.
God can do anything He pleases. The clay pot being molded is not going to tell his maker what to do.
It is written.. that in Heaven, man and women are not given into marriage but will become like the Angels. Therefore Masculine and Feminine identity's cease to exist or co-exist in the Same Light,.. that is something I am not able to understand as i dont know the mistery behind it.
Wide is the road to perdition and narrow the road to salvation. Just because the justis a minority, it does not cancel the Truth of the Bible. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626334
6/9/2009 4:48 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
'cause he's an asshat - that's why.... |
| Uriel
User ID: 512435
6/9/2009 4:50 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Not true, because this post has to do with God, and the Jewish people were chosen by God, and the Torah was given to them.
The Jewish people were "chosen" by Lucifer(actually Set at the time), their "god", plain and simple, and one doesn't have to spend a whole lot of time in their Talmud and Kabalah to to figure that out. For the most part, the more serious Jews consider the Torah to be laughable goyim bait window dressing.
I want to know how your "God" difers from the Christian and Jewish God.
How so many generations of Christian and Specially Jewish can be so wrong.....for you to come here and undermine 1000's of years of written History and Prophecy.
You have mentioned that you have met God Himself, just wanted to know how..and what he is like.
My Creator Parents differ in that they are not Lucifer and don't speak of "punishing" children to 7th generations and wrongly treating their own Children due their WRATH and VENGEANCE. My God actually Truly Loves their Children, EVEN those who have turned against them, just like a REAL Loving parent would do here.
No one is getting a free pass here. For those who have greatly wronged their brothers and sisters, they have MUCH personal back tracking to deal with in regard to their spirit, that which involves MUCH pain and suffering. Some would consider that "penance" for what they have done, but that's not so much the goal as turning the spirit around. In all of this does forgiveness need to reign supreme, with those who have wronged to be TRULY regretful and SORRY for what they have done, and as well those they hurt willing to forgive and heal.
In such is the transformation of the darkness and the betterment of the Light.
You are describing Jesus, the Son of God.
Only in part, as Jesus says, follow me, worship me or I'm going to toss you mercilessly in hell without reprieve forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
And too, Jesus totally lacks the Divine Feminine just like all the other similar stories that preceded his.
Everyone knows the Talmud and the Kabalah is a product from Lucifer.
Not true,..for the most part true Jews are Followers of the Torah given to them by God. This does not mean they practice all what they believe, as must of us Christians dont either, everyone strugles in this life we all know that as no one is perfect, except God.
The number of Jewish Torah only worshipers is a small small fraction of the whole, with many of them claiming to be such while secretly believing wholly in the Talmud and Kabalah. In any regard, believing ones "people" to be chosen and everyone else to be either a freaking "cow" (goyim) or a "gentile" is EXTREMELY detrimental to the Heart development of a person.
The whole "lineage" determination of "rule" is Luciferian to the core.
As well the notion of "perfection" is a total ruse of the "must need saving" bullshit of the writers of the story. Perfect means mature, not "perfect", something that makes the existence of a person TOTALLY superfluous to our Creator. That is NOT the Creation intent.
Jesus teaches of two different paths that we can choose from , you must remember He came to rescue, not to toss anyone in to the pit. If you teach your children not to tuch fire because they will get burned, you are not tossing them in to the fire..you only telling them the consequences of they'r own actions.
God can do anything He pleases. The clay pot being molded is not going to tell his maker what to do.
It is written.. that in Heaven, man and women are not given into marriage but will become like the Angels. Therefore Masculine and Feminine identity's cease to exist or co-exist in the Same Light,.. that is something I am not able to understand as i dont know the mistery behind it.
Wide is the road to perdition and narrow the road to salvation. Just because the just are a minority, it does not cancel the Truth of the Bible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 512435
Sorry...that is my answer above,..timed out 
Looked for a way to separate sentences to avoid confusion but not very good at it.
Last Edited by Uriel on 6/9/2009 at 4:56 PM
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/9/2009 6:59 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Jesus teaches of two different paths that we can choose from , you must remember He came to rescue, not to toss anyone in to the pit. If you teach your children not to tuch fire because they will get burned, you are not tossing them in to the fire..you only telling them the consequences of they'r own actions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 512435
Yes, the mythical Jesus teaches that you can either kiss his butt or get roasted mercilessly by one's "loving" god forever and ever and ever and ever in hell.
Got it.
God can do anything He pleases. The clay pot being molded is not going to tell his maker what to do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 512435
No, God CANNOT do anything He/She pleases, as He/She is constrained by the same REAL Love that constrains the rest of us. That's True for MY God and of course NOT True for YOUR "god" Lucifer.
Got it.
It is written.. that in Heaven, man and women are not given into marriage but will become like the Angels. Therefore Masculine and Feminine identity's cease to exist or co-exist in the Same Light,.. that is something I am not able to understand as i dont know the mistery behind it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 512435
No, it is misconstrued, as the very passage you are quoting says nothing about there being no gender in heaven, rather only saying that men and women are not GIVEN in marriage in heaven which is TRUE. Men and women are bound HERE on Earth, hence the reason that the Pharisees are looking to gig the guy on a topic he'd been teaching KNOWING what he'd been teaching concerning Twin Flame marriage. Why do you think that it was SO important for an Essene "teacher" to be MARRIED?
"What's bound on Earth is bound in Heaven, what is loosed on Earth is loosed in Heaven".
That's talking about HEARTS of men and women being BOUND in REAL LOVE HERE ON EARTH to be joined FOREVER in heaven.
As for becoming like angels, such is nothing more than a JOB TITLE as there is NO difference between ANY of us as Sons and Daughters of God.
As for your genderless heaven, nothing is more REPUGNANT to our Creator.
Wide is the road to perdition and narrow the road to salvation. Just because the justis a minority, it does not cancel the Truth of the Bible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 512435
Yes, and many are they who travel that WIDE WIDE road like yourself, somewhere around ONE BILLION of you world wide. Sad indeed.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/11/2009 12:35 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 611764
6/11/2009 11:44 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
The likely source of that meme was the Essene teacher who lived somewhere between 300 and 80 BC. Apparently, the more profound teachings on Love "caged" in the New Testament were taken from this man who was presenting a bit of a power/control issue to the children of Lucifer. Therefore, they took his teachings, and used those as the "love" garb for their enhanced Jesus the Christ story, the Messiah to end all Messiahs.
The idea of the meme is the end time separation between the two windows of being frequencies, higher and lower. IMO, the Earth will snap to its higher level, with those here suitable going with Her, while those lower will be "swallowed up" back into Her "Pit system" of spirit development.
The Light Wave is a version of the same thing, with the KBA or whomever snapping up the spirits and sorting them to their places as stated above. The Light wave shows more detail on how the spirits get to where they are going. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Can you tell us more about this Essene teacher? What was he about and what did he accomplish?
'Middle managers' may have "caged" teaching of Love, but it is the 'bits!', golden kind, existing that is still inspiring.
What is KBA, and sorting and snatching? You mean there we will those pushing beings into proper places based on "sameness"?
Thank you.
Thank you. |
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