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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 611764
6/11/2009 11:56 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
The Emperor of Rome didn't specifically generate the writings of the day, but the higher up families surrounding him did, getting into high gear with Constantine and Constantinople. The Bible took hundreds of years to fabricate, and hundreds of meetings similar to the more commonly known meeting at Nicaea. In essence, the Bible is a veiled carrier of the pantheon of gods and goddesses venerated by these varied families. The Mystic Occult Crowd, the great lovers of secrecy and coding, represented most every detail of their beliefs in their Bible in coded form.
Also in the whole above process, as described earlier, the Love teachings of the Essene Teacher were partly incorporated as "love bait" to the unsuspecting, so that the followers could speak of "love" and act out of division and hatred in typical Hegelian MO.
That's the point of the mechanizations of the fallen, to keep the sheep ignorant, divided, hating and therefore trapped in their little "battery bank". That's how they maintain and grow their kingdom and power. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
A veiled carrier of the pantehon of gods and goddesses.. venerated, probably in secret. Do you think the 'lady' Columbia you see in the beginning of some movies is a form of that worshiping?
The "love bait".. Jesus was an "Essene Teacher" as well as he not, or are you saying there wasn't a fella named Jesus, the Essene teacher you stated earlier is Jesus was he not?
Whoever he was I thought he basically said to "love thy neighbor as yourself" and stuff like that. I never got the impression otherwise, or seen his message as that of demanding worship or adhering to the Codes and the Laws.
What he said seemed pretty revolutionary during those times. His message seemed to be in opposition to the daily sacrifices and money-changing operations on the temple grounds, forgiveness, stuff like that.
Just saying his message, or whoever is really being referred to, in regards to the parables, spoke all about self empowerment, 'rightful' living, empathy.... it may have the religion 'adding stuff' and distorting things through their interpretations that it may have become a mechanization of the proselytizing, hating, entrapping "battery bank".
The original message, inspiration, is still right on though.
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 611764
6/11/2009 12:06 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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Kindness in and of itself is not a weakness. However, kindness devoid of discernment of motive can be very dangerous to the spirit of the unsuspecting. It is not enough to know that the fallen are "bad", but rather one must KNOW how they operate and why they do what they do. Otherwise, one ignorant will fall prey to their tactics.
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Often, "kindness" is played where consequence NEEDS to operate for the betterment of the spirit involved. This world is now notorious for coddling the wrong doer and punishing those looking to do right by those around them.
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Targeting for the fallen has more to do with positions of power, hence the reason they focus most of their attention on the greater spirit threats that show up here. For those they virtually surround them as a group and "play" every "allowed" malady against their "opponent" hoping to crush the life out of him/her, thereby blocking them from reaching their goal.
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It is, but at the same time, as explained above, such needs to have the knowing and understanding of the ways of the dark, something that often shuts down the very thing you describe. In some arenas this is known as:
"Be as wise as a serpent and loving as a dove", or some such. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Can you provide more information in regards to "allowed maladies"?
In regards to knowing and understanding of the ways of the dark... do understand this is important, however it feels that each one of us has their own form of knowing and understanding of the dark to learn from, inside their own and from their own experiences.
Just saying, alot of the things we despise, it seems we display and express them as well. We keep looking at the evil speck in the neighbors eye, but the same kind of darkness, perhaps blinding us all (non-wise/aware state), we don't address or see from ourselves.
I think this is what all the "ego" talk, or worldly ego idea, and how *whatever-this-is* requires an 'adjustment'.
""Be as wise as a serpent and loving as a dove", or some such."
Are you sure "'wise' as a serpent" fits? Maybe cunning or clever would be a better word choice here as real wisdom seems to be necessary to even understand love.
Thank you. |
| Agent of Light
User ID: 699353
6/11/2009 12:11 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
The truth is not that God allows suffering. Instead it is that mankind chose suffering. Even though God sent Jesus to save us from suffering, up till now humanity cannot fully understand what God has done.
John 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Rev 3:17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
In the word, or promises of God, is life and that life is the light of men. The promises of God contain the solution to all the problems of mankind. Unfortunately, the darkness of our hearts cannot allow the light of God to penetrate. Even Christians claim to already have the light, but where is the evidence? They suffer as much as nonChristians. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 611764
6/11/2009 12:14 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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The Mind has a difficult time here by design of those running the "show". Yes, the intense Hegelian usages in the realms of "love", make Heart development very tricky at best. Typically the methods involve the "banging" from one "stop" to the other of understanding being either or of two positions. To the masses, Love/understanding is either "Love and Light" OR "Knowing the Beast". The mixture of these two realities is needed to Truly Overcome the Beast.
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The longer one blocks out the Heart, the more quiet the Heart becomes, finally reaching the extreme darkness seen within the realms of the embittered fallen types. Once totally out of tune with the Song of Love, the fallen then are forced to "suck the life" from those no so "dark". That's where the whole Vampire meme originated. Yes, entertainment has several purposes not the least of which are simple distraction and indoctrination.
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The Children of God inherently know the Truths of which we speak although the very immature tend to coarsely refer to such things. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
The Mind has a difficult time on account of those running the show? Sometimes, it seems beings have a difficult time running around this place on account of the mind fully 'running the show', does it feel that way?
You said to most of us our understanding of Love is either "Love and Light or knowing the beast". It feels that if one understood either of one very well, it should lead to the proper mixture of the realities to overcome right?
Right now it feels more like "blinded by the Love and Light (burying head in sand)" and or 'being the beast', letting it out, not knowing the beast, being unaware to it in oneself.
So the fallen can't feel the Heart anymore eh? I wonder if a being that gets this way eventually cannot reincarnate or something, that the soul cannot 'stick' to a Heart anymore.
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 611764
6/11/2009 12:25 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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You could say that, although many misunderstand the notion to be an "anointing" from God where they are magically poofed into something ala Disney style. Christ is a word akin to "full" on a gas tank, or "top" on a Mountain.
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Yes, this balance is mirrored to varying extents in everything we see. One without the other ultimately degrades into a phantom of its former self thereby making the whole unbalanced unhappy and generally miserable.
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Ego is more a Mind aspect as you say, and the Mind running wild without the Heart has some extremely out of control egos attached. The irony of this is that those I've come across proclaiming their success in "killing" or suppressing their ego are by far the most egotistical of all.
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Yes, and this is what the age of Aquarius entails, the reintroduction of the "water" of the Divine Feminine back into this burned Male driven desert. Initially there will be much steam, hissing and general muddiness, but once the mix is back in, everyone will be much the happier. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
It still seems that some of the attachments the ego has is an obstacle to realize "full"ness, getting to the top of the mountain, and realizing this Christ in this vineyard.
That we are right now degrading into phantoms of our former selves, on a whole being unbalanced, unhappy, and generally miserable...because something about the ego is WAY out of balance. Perhaps in the end, keeping things off balance is the easiest way to stumble your enemy.
do you find my questions and talk of ego as being egotistical? The word egotistical itself seems like a negative description.
Never doubted or questioned the value of individuality, as it is the gift of the Creator to allow Creation to experience Creation is it not? But it seems egos can lean towards a "Service to Others (STO)" or "Service to Self (STS, at the expense of another)"... and it feels that the ego must change, or come to realize or understand something for oneself (and others) to be in either leanings.
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 611764
6/11/2009 12:27 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
It still seems that some of the attachments the ego has is an obstacle to realize "full"ness, getting to the top of the mountain, and realizing this Christ in this vineyard.
That we are right now degrading into phantoms of our former selves, on a whole being unbalanced, unhappy, and generally miserable...because something about the ego is WAY out of balance. Perhaps in the end, keeping things off balance is the easiest way to stumble your enemy.
do you find my questions and talk of ego as being egotistical? The word egotistical itself seems like a negative description.
Never doubted or questioned the value of individuality, as it is the gift of the Creator to allow Creation to experience Creation is it not? But it seems egos can lean towards a "Service to Others (STO)" or "Service to Self (STS, at the expense of another)"... and it feels that the ego must change, or come to realize or understand something for oneself (and others) to be in either leanings.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Perhaps when the ego does not truly KNOW what it DOES sometimes may be the cause for real suffering. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 611764
6/11/2009 12:36 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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Not being True to one's self and one's goals is a general bad idea here as such takes you where you are supposed to go. However, do not misconstrue the arrival of adversity as having "made the wrong choice". When flying bombing raids, the most intense anti aircraft fire is encountered the CLOSER one gets to their intended target.
As for being "prostitutes", the kingdom of Lucifer tends to force that issue in one way or another, as one cannot "beat" a foe they do not touch.
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Courage is key to advancement currently in this very challenging place. One must "stick to their guns" while discerning when to listen and when to stand one's ground. Everyone generally has hold of some Truth in one way or another, and knowing what this is is key to building one's picture of the Kingdom. The challenge is an integration challenge, as the puzzle picture pieces of the Kingdom were purposely separated and hidden behind the walls of the different religions to make sure they never got put back together. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
It feels that when we can come to become aware of what our ego do sometimes, it feels that this is like fighting 'little battles', and when one can overcome those, prepares one to be ready for the intense 'big battles' ahead, when one is CLOSER to the intended target. I think it takes one to master either route. "Cake walking" sounds like avoiding the battle altogether.
Can you share what idea got dispersed and hidden among the quarreling, ego-centric, religions we seem to have today?
Today's ego seems to be all about survival, which is what the ego is supposed to do. But at what cost, and what factors enforce this sort of 'development' in ego, a survival at what cost kind of thing.
It does feel that when the fear is put into people, all sorts of nasty things happen. When it is 'Law of the Jungle' time, can see how trying to "walk in your neighbor's shoes" would be very hard. It is like our shields develope and become very strong over time, rigid, but at the same time, it feels this blocks our ability to 'tune', to hear the 'Song' so to speak.
Putting the pieces back together... sounds like healing, integration, unity.. it seems impossible to do from a purely logic standpoint, meaning something else seems to be needed as well to get to that point.
Thank you.
Thank you. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/11/2009 12:45 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Can you tell us more about this Essene teacher? What was he about and what did he accomplish?
'Middle managers' may have "caged" teaching of Love, but it is the 'bits!', golden kind, existing that is still inspiring. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
I've seen very little about the guy other than a few references here and there. I'm sure anything written about him has either been burned and/or is under lock and key under the Vatican and in the horded Dead Sea Scroll find. In essence he taught the teachings on Real Love, Twin Flames etc, and was ultimately murdered by an "evil Pharisee". (big surprise there eh?)
What is KBA, and sorting and snatching? You mean there we will those pushing beings into proper places based on "sameness"?
Thank you.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
KBA = Kuiper Belt Aliens = "Angels" = Non-fallen angelic host of the other 7 galactic non-fallen Creation.
Yes, they showed up here in 1979 at the beginning of the "story" and have been growing in number ever since. They are they who put the "muscle" behind gathering and placing spirits into their respective groups based upon Heart development and refurbish Mother Earth.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/11/2009 1:40 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
A veiled carrier of the pantehon of gods and goddesses.. venerated, probably in secret. Do you think the 'lady' Columbia you see in the beginning of some movies is a form of that worshiping? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yeah, in secret, and not so in "secret" as they plaster their symbolics all over everything they own. Usually the women shown in "large" like that is either Goddess Venus (Pentagram/pentagon etc) or Goddess Isis. Isis left this galaxy a while back and was superseded by Goddess Venus.
The "love bait".. Jesus was an "Essene Teacher" as well as he not, or are you saying there wasn't a fella named Jesus, the Essene teacher you stated earlier is Jesus was he not? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The Essene teacher was not named Jesus. The name Jesus was coined around 600AD or so long after any "facts". So all this talk "in the name of Jesus" is rather comical on many levels. Regardless his name, what he taught is still accurate but only partly represented in the Bible.
Whoever he was I thought he basically said to "love thy neighbor as yourself" and stuff like that. I never got the impression otherwise, or seen his message as that of demanding worship or adhering to the Codes and the Laws. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Right, but loving one's neighbor as themselves is only a small part of the entire Love "spectrum" teaching. The primary Love structure is detailed here:
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Yes, and that's an interesting fact even about the Bible, as they never show Jesus demanding any of the things people now associate with him. They do however show him claiming to be things no one could ever be, "the way the Truth and the Life". Needless to say, that's ridiculous.
What he said seemed pretty revolutionary during those times. His message seemed to be in opposition to the daily sacrifices and money-changing operations on the temple grounds, forgiveness, stuff like that.
Just saying his message, or whoever is really being referred to, in regards to the parables, spoke all about self empowerment, 'rightful' living, empathy.... it may have the religion 'adding stuff' and distorting things through their interpretations that it may have become a mechanization of the proselytizing, hating, entrapping "battery bank".
The original message, inspiration, is still right on though.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yeah, that's just it, he says many correct things which are then totally contradicted and "caged" by the things said surrounding those things. That's always the point in Hegelian Dialectic.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/11/2009 5:59 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Can you provide more information in regards to "allowed maladies"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The refurbished Earth will still have the aging, physical weakness, hunger, and mild illnesses for teaching purposes. However, the extreme DNA illnesses etc will be eliminated due their extreme nature which tends to block development more than aid such.
In regards to knowing and understanding of the ways of the dark... do understand this is important, however it feels that each one of us has their own form of knowing and understanding of the dark to learn from, inside their own and from their own experiences. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
I was more referring to the bigger picture methods of the darkness as to how they rule, wage wars and target societies etc. However, the more general personal "darkness" issues are also a part of that picture as a "tree", which has 1/3 of its being buried in darkness does so to aid its extension to the light. In such way are we also created.
Just saying, alot of the things we despise, it seems we display and express them as well. We keep looking at the evil speck in the neighbors eye, but the same kind of darkness, perhaps blinding us all (non-wise/aware state), we don't address or see from ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
That's called introspection. That's something spirits learn over time. The immature spirits judge using two standards, the one for themselves and the other for everyone around them. The NA call that having "two Hearts". In any regard, the diminishing of that comes with the maturity of the spirit.
I think this is what all the "ego" talk, or worldly ego idea, and how *whatever-this-is* requires an 'adjustment'. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
In reality, it's just an immature ego that has yet to fully integrate with the Heart. Such things take much time and experience.
""Be as wise as a serpent and loving as a dove", or some such."
Are you sure "'wise' as a serpent" fits? Maybe cunning or clever would be a better word choice here as real wisdom seems to be necessary to even understand love.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Well, I didn't make up the saying, so I suppose it has to fit. 
But cunning and clever generally carry nefarious connotations, so "wise" is still probably a better fit since the whole "serpent" picture carries the darkness aspect. In any regard, the Light cannot afford the luxury of being ignorant to the ways of Darkness as such gets them into a lot of trouble in a hurry. One can be too Trusting and lacking in discernment when it comes to the Darkness.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/11/2009 6:04 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
The truth is not that God allows suffering. Instead it is that mankind chose suffering. Even though God sent Jesus to save us from suffering, up till now humanity cannot fully understand what God has done.
John 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Rev 3:17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
In the word, or promises of God, is life and that life is the light of men. The promises of God contain the solution to all the problems of mankind. Unfortunately, the darkness of our hearts cannot allow the light of God to penetrate. Even Christians claim to already have the light, but where is the evidence? They suffer as much as nonChristians. Quoting: Agent of Light 699353
You'd find little comfort in what you just said above were YOU the one suffering. Some of us HAVE to know the Truth, while the others can be satisfied with illusions and imaginations.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Uriel
User ID: 512435
6/11/2009 6:22 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Just because I CAN. 
I just saw about 30 videos or so of David dIcke, his views are very interesting, it makes me wonder a lot of things.
What are your views on him.....(dont have to answer as it is not related)
It startled me the "coincidences" of the Catholic church and the pagan rituals of other now extint civilizations such as the Egyptians.
I am at "war".
You said that some things in the Torah are true, but other are not. what do you view that you think is true, and why.
The same for the New Testament/Revelation.
Last Edited by Uriel on 6/11/2009 at 6:26 PM
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/12/2009 12:14 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
The Mind has a difficult time on account of those running the show? Sometimes, it seems beings have a difficult time running around this place on account of the mind fully 'running the show', does it feel that way? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The Mind un-integrated with the Heart is cold, precise and unstable. Such is the way of the Luciferian world currently.
You said to most of us our understanding of Love is either "Love and Light or knowing the beast". It feels that if one understood either of one very well, it should lead to the proper mixture of the realities to overcome right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Not actually from what I've seen. I've always kidded about finding the Kingdom by swimming in through the sewer. 
And in a sense that's True, as I came in through the VERY negative side what the Jews have really been about etc, and to be honest, most everyone I know who came to grasp that picture, never left, stuck and mired in the very negative aspect of Lucifer control central. And of course, the other side of that is the more "new age" Love and Light crowd that instantly shy's away from anything "negative", imagining such to be "bad" etc. And on both sides of those extremes, the two groups tend to sacrifice the Truth due to the lack of vision both groups nurture.
Right now it feels more like "blinded by the Love and Light (burying head in sand)" and or 'being the beast', letting it out, not knowing the beast, being unaware to it in oneself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yeah, that's typical from what I've seen too.
So the fallen can't feel the Heart anymore eh? I wonder if a being that gets this way eventually cannot reincarnate or something, that the soul cannot 'stick' to a Heart anymore.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Well, I don't know about TOTALLY cannot feet their Heart, but they're pretty damn numb where the rest of us have a Heart beating. That's the point of the salvaging age, to get them patched up and back in working order. I suspect that a spirit THAT out of balance has trouble coming back here, hence the varied forms of "Sexual Ritual Magik" the fallen use to come back here.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/12/2009 12:28 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
It still seems that some of the attachments the ego has is an obstacle to realize "full"ness, getting to the top of the mountain, and realizing this Christ in this vineyard. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Let's just say that brutalizing people here in the sense of starving them to death for Real Love and/or offering them the pathetic "performance love", is a great way to push people off balance, and that's why such is used here. In a Love "desert" such as this, where virtually everyone has stopped giving of anything from themselves, people get jaded very quickly. So sometimes the appearance of an ego out of control is often an ego greatly frustrated. Both serve the purposes of Lucifer equally well.
That we are right now degrading into phantoms of our former selves, on a whole being unbalanced, unhappy, and generally miserable...because something about the ego is WAY out of balance. Perhaps in the end, keeping things off balance is the easiest way to stumble your enemy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Divide and conquer, and it really isn't all that important which part of the whole one chops off. It's a way of life for the leaching fallen group. They know no other existence currently. They've been doing that for a long long time. People NEED Real Love, and when they don't get a regular diet of such, their Hearts and Mind atrophy into the phantoms of which you speak. And in the midst of the abnormal number of immature spirits here, that's often fatal to many more mature spirits. (fatal meaning their life destiny gets trashed)
do you find my questions and talk of ego as being egotistical? The word egotistical itself seems like a negative description. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Not at all, it's a good question needing good answer.
Never doubted or questioned the value of individuality, as it is the gift of the Creator to allow Creation to experience Creation is it not? But it seems egos can lean towards a "Service to Others (STO)" or "Service to Self (STS, at the expense of another)"... and it feels that the ego must change, or come to realize or understand something for oneself (and others) to be in either leanings.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
An interesting aspect of all of this is that the STS and STO groups are actually part of the fallen galaxy and many of them don't even realize that. The bottom line of "service" belies the underlying falsity of the notion, in that the REAL Kingdom asks for no "service", but rather Love for one's fellow brother and sister. Love FAR outstrips "service" in both meaning and ultimately how one treats their brothers and sisters in the long run. The goals of our Creator are MUCH higher than "service".
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/12/2009 12:44 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Perhaps when the ego does not truly KNOW what it DOES sometimes may be the cause for real suffering. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
The Ego generally operates out of self interest, especially when it is very immature. But the cause of suffering is many fold, and certainly not to be laid at the feet of the Ego.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/12/2009 12:59 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
It feels that when we can come to become aware of what our ego do sometimes, it feels that this is like fighting 'little battles', and when one can overcome those, prepares one to be ready for the intense 'big battles' ahead, when one is CLOSER to the intended target. I think it takes one to master either route. "Cake walking" sounds like avoiding the battle altogether. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Realizing what the real score is here is tantamount to doing what you are saying. The Ego can "sacrifice" when mature, but somewhere in the equation needs to be an oasis of Real Love. No man is an island unto himself, and such is True for the individuality in each person. More than Ego is part of taking on hardened Luciferian targets.
Can you share what idea got dispersed and hidden among the quarreling, ego-centric, religions we seem to have today? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Oh sure, the "idea" of Real Love. It's a byword and "flag" that's flown high over the heads of those in religions, all being "conditional" of course, NONE of them actually telling anyone the Truth about Real Love.
Today's ego seems to be all about survival, which is what the ego is supposed to do. But at what cost, and what factors enforce this sort of 'development' in ego, a survival at what cost kind of thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Well look, think of the Ego as a tiger that's being STARVED to death. Everyone here withholds Real Love from each other while offering up the bullshit conditional nonsense in its stead. Then we all wonder how Ego could "get in the way"? Everyone needs ACCEPTANCE for WHO and WHAT they are, something rationed out in thimbles rather than buckets as it should be. We're all handed the "profile" of what someone SHOULD be rather than accepting them simply for WHO and WHAT they are. And of course, if they don't fit that BULLSHIT profile, well, then they just need to ESAD, right?
It does feel that when the fear is put into people, all sorts of nasty things happen. When it is 'Law of the Jungle' time, can see how trying to "walk in your neighbor's shoes" would be very hard. It is like our shields develope and become very strong over time, rigid, but at the same time, it feels this blocks our ability to 'tune', to hear the 'Song' so to speak. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yes, and when everyone gets to this point Lucifer smiles. He then has them ALL in the palm of his hand and they are NONE the wiser.
Putting the pieces back together... sounds like healing, integration, unity.. it seems impossible to do from a purely logic standpoint, meaning something else seems to be needed as well to get to that point.
Thank you.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611764
Yes, the actual realization of "salvaging" this mess is a bit more "unpicturesque" than the "logic" of the whole would report. Let's just say it's going to be a bit messy in places.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/12/2009 1:08 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
I just saw about 30 videos or so of David dIcke, his views are very interesting, it makes me wonder a lot of things.
What are your views on him.....(dont have to answer as it is not related)
It startled me the "coincidences" of the Catholic church and the pagan rituals of other now extint civilizations such as the Egyptians.
I am at "war".
You said that some things in the Torah are true, but other are not. what do you view that you think is true, and why.
The same for the New Testament/Revelation. Quoting: Uriel
I think David is a well meaning man, and is reporting his side of things the best he can. I've seen much that supports the reptilian construct, especially in the ancient Hebrew where the fallen watchers are said to have constructed the reptilians by "hanging scales like a coat of mail using the soft generative parts".
Sounds like DNA monkeying to me. As well, the Hebrew reportedly has our Creator RAILING about that particular humanoid body form for obvious reasons, as none of the varied body forms presents such an affront to real Love as do those with the exception of possibly the insectoid version which is said to be a variant of the reptilian form anyway.
Most of this ties back to the Egyptians and/or the ancient Sumerians. This is a Luciferian Kingdom, plain and simple. Everything here has been literally razed by that ruling group over the millenia.
IMO, much of the ancient Hebrew is in fact verbiage and direction from our very Creator, but that such was purposely hijacked from ancient Egypt by the "Hyksos kings" (worshippers of Set, the "one turd god") and then purposely mistranslated for their own purposes of control.
What, you expected something else from Lucifer, the king of this nuthouse? 
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 9:38 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
The non-fallen Creation is roughly 7 times as large as this fallen galactic sector, generally holding "technology" infinitely more "advanced" than that held by the darkness, something which the darkness fails to realize as they imagine their continued existence to be based upon their "power" to "repel" the Light. Such has never been True, as the Darkness has always existed at the willing "allowance" of those of the Light as directed by our Creator.
Therefore, many on the outside looking in have volunteered for "special ops" missions here, hoping to make headway into either fixing family issues in regards to the rebellion (many of the non-fallen family lines have been compromised here as they extend into this realm much like our own family lines do on Earth in regards to Countries etc. ) When these types arrive here a large red target is drawn on their back and the battle lines laid out for "special treatment" of that spirit/person.
It is not uncommon for these types to be overcome in the fray of the battle and themselves get "stuck" in the prison here, hence the "game board" of the Luciferians world wide.
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Yes, going through the door requires two basic completions, first the completion of the individual person as a fully integrated being in regards to their Heart and Love and secondly the then Integration of the two finished "halves" of the Twin Flames into the "two pillared" door of Jachin and Boaz, shown as the "Door to Heaven".
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Yes, largely the "resonant frequency" of the person determines which of the two larger window "drag nets" they get "caught" into, the "higher and lower" ranges, hence the whole notion of the chaff and wheat as you say.
This determination is mostly based upon the Heart, although the Mind needs adequate development to assist the Heart on its way through development. Once the completed "Door" graduates from here the Mind then becomes the greater focus of development upon the "foundation" of the Heart. Generally this is where the Children of God are noted as "Stones of Fire" in that the greater this capacity to Love, the more in tune they are with the Song of our Creator, thereby resonating much like an antenna properly tuned here resonates in power. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Can elaborate a bit more in regards to the "many non-fallen family lines being compromised"? Do you mean to suggest that there are those that came to help later on who instead 'bought into' this vineyard's worldy ways becoming "stuck"? many of us seems to have bought in as well to a system where the 'scum, as in sewage, getting to the top'... or that betraying one's own in some form seems to bring advancement and material gains. still seems like a personal battle if one buys in or not. also sadly that in this vineyard, you still have to be in the world, and so feel one has to play by it's rules in some form.
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Can you elaborate more in regards to the "Integration of the Twin Flames", and the pillars? Door to Heaven, isn't that Ophiuchus?
What are the two pillars, Jachin and Boaz? Also aren't those important to Freemason fellas?
"resonant frequency of a being", that is like saying one's state of being, derived from a state of self realization perhaps? what happens to the "luke warms", those that don't move themselves into either of the "range"? it seems that the events and experiences we all face individually moves the being in either ranges correct? it is interesting that the same experience can move a person either "higher or lower", but depends entirely on the being in some sense correct?
The determination being mostly based on the Heart... can you tell me what that means? Is that like displaying courage to be and express Real Love? How does one tune their antenna? Do we already do so, perhaps even sub/un-consciously, with the things we focus on?
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 9:39 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 10:04 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Yes, although the goal here is to repeatedly choose to offer one's self up in Love to both one's self and others, the "ugly Truths" of this place must needs be navigated to dodge the purposed pitfalls to such successful application of Love. Love is not simply about feeling Loving, but even more about extending one's self to others when the exchange leaves one's self burning with the vehement SCORN of their anger with your offering.
In essence the term "Christ" is not a person nor the myth that has been presented to the world, but rather a Love development "level", that developed ability to "Love the Unlovable".
The balance of this realm is difficult to realize as everything has been purposely stacked against everyone here, and that balance is that between both Truth and Love, the Mind and the Heart, the Male and the Female.
Gender itself was designed as a reflection of these fundamental Truths, where the Male is more "logical" and mind oriented and the Female more Loving and Heart oriented, both synchronized for a far larger "being" than the two separate. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Can we talk about the "goal", do you think this is a collective goal (which can only be done personally)?
"to repeatedly choose to offer one's self up in Love to both one's self and others"
"about extending one's self to others when the exchange leaves one's self burning" from the response....
It does seem like a 'service' to another in that sense, but a service one can only realize if they can 'see oneself in another', does it not?
Successful application of Love seems to indicate one must know what this is first of all... it feels we all know, to some level, the purposed pitfalls. perhaps knowing Real Love, and what it has to do to Know Thyself, will make those outer pitfalls become 'moot', to some level.
Can you tell us more about this "Real Love", the "Love development level", and the ability to "Love the Unlovable"?
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 10:07 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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Yes, largely the "resonant frequency" of the person determines which of the two larger window "drag nets" they get "caught" into, the "higher and lower" ranges, hence the whole notion of the chaff and wheat as you say.
This determination is mostly based upon the Heart, although the Mind needs adequate development to assist the Heart on its way through development. Once the completed "Door" graduates from here the Mind then becomes the greater focus of development upon the "foundation" of the Heart. Generally this is where the Children of God are noted as "Stones of Fire" in that the greater this capacity to Love, the more in tune they are with the Song of our Creator, thereby resonating much like an antenna properly tuned here resonates in power. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
How does one 'tune', how does one 'listen'?
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 10:13 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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Adoration of one's parents is typical when a proper Loving relationship exists between them, so no, adoring one's parents is not improper. Worshiping is in essence the convoluted twisting of such thing into something required. This is the twisted mechanism which Lucifer et al us to hog tie the unwitting into handing over their power in fear as the primary component to worship is in fact fear.
Our Creator Parents desire in similar way to the Loving mortal Parents here, to see their children mature and ultimately become "like" them, to see them happy and to see them prosper in ALL that they are. That in a nutshell describes the desire of our Creator Parents.
It's not so much about going "toward" them as becoming "like" them, although the meme of "climbing the Mountain" does use a distance notion to symbolize this becoming.
The only thing that makes any of this Luciferian, is the corruption of the discussion we're having with the notion of FEAR, that if you don't do this YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!!!!! Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Not so much "toward them as becoming like them"... they both seem interrelated to me. That as one become towards the Creator you become like "them" (not the conditional gods either), or as one become like them, they are moving towards Father-Mother-Love, does it not?
A desire for a parent to love their children, wish to see them mature and become like them, prosper... it feels this same quality can be nurtured in oneself and seen towards another... now would that be like a 'child' being like the 'parents'?
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 11:01 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
"Not sure exactly what you mean by cake walk. But many people that appear to be well off still suffer, and experience great pain. If you believe that you reap what you sow or in karma/dharma as one sorce for our possible sorrows then perhaps these people have a good karmic life in this reguard.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583695"
Simply being wealthy in no way fits the "cake walk" designation. Being wealthy is one of the greater "trials" here and wealth comes in varied forms. The rich man is equivalent to the beautiful woman in wealth terms and each is generally poorly dealt with by most "tried" spirits. Cake walk in this discussion simply means a spirit who is tried very little in a given lifetime.
Yes, everyone reaps what they sow. There are no free rides to the top of the Kingdom.
"Cakewalk people come in all forms and sizes. Suffering occurs when you lose self. Look outside of yourself, form attachments to illusionary things (tangible but transitory)."
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583695
That's interesting as the poster prior to yourself claimed that suffering occurs because one does NOT lose themselves. But, in any regard, suffering is something dished out here depending upon many things. The simple satisfaction of "karma" is not the only reason someone suffers here currently. Many times the "game" being played by the fallen here is "stacked" with "allowables" with which they hope to "take out" their "Light opponent". And often, depending what is needed by a given spirit, certain levels of suffering are requested to reach certain goals in their development.
We are all at different stages in out development. This does not mean that one person is better than another and we also learn about different aspects of life at different times.
"Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583695"
It's not necessarily about "better", but rather about more mature and hence of more "value" to the Kingdom in general, much as an adult compared to a child here in terms of a family.
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Hi Saxon,
Perhaps suffering occurs when we lose ourselves, meaning far from to Know Thyself and what "Real Love" is about. and that there are other aspects such as karma. which seems to just be a description of the Law of Attraction in that what you send out returns in "sameness" in some form. Kind of like not truly treating one's neighbor as one would like to be treated. There also seems to an aspect of ignorance is bliss as well as ignorance is languishing, of the "gnashing of teeth" kind.
If it really is about maturity, it does seem to describe that all beings truly are on different points on the wheel. Maturity seems to be a self development/realizational thing as well. Meaning one can blame the kingdom or their rules, but ultimately the self 'tuning' is what allows one to hear, and overcome perhaps. Listening to 'their rules' does seem like "forming attachments to illusionary things", meaning far from the Truth.
Sometimes, it seems that children are more mature than adults as well, or some qualites about them seems to be more "better and value", or more at the "resonating frequency" to that Kingdom, but in the end i guess we all family (even those that really love power over others).
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 11:15 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
If you had children then you would understand that there is no greater gift of love than to send your innocent son off to die for others.
I have 3 children, 22, 19, and 18, and I would never send my children off to go die for someone else as such is silliness in the extreme.
No man or god can "pay" for the "sins" of another. That is NOT the way this Creation works, nor could it ever work in that way as such totally destroys the free will construct and hence then likewise Real Love itself.
If you bothered to read your own bible you'd find that your Old Testament has your "god" railing at the reader concerning the EVIL saying that a man should pay for the sins of another while then turning 180 degrees out to then claim that "God sent his only begotten Son to die for your sins".
But hey, that's typical Hegelian Dialectic in action and most Christians blindly follow their mythical leader to the tune of their NWO masters. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Is this sort of also like saying that: even if one is merely 'following orders', they still gotta 'pay' for it oneself if they commit a 'sin'?
While I do see a difference of "180 degrees" from what the hebrews were told to do, all the do as I says not as I do's, just a conditional loving god i still see elements of a unconditional loving God described in certain nuggets within the New Testament 'books'. The temple organizations may not exemplify or talk about those nuggets so much, but there are bits of nuggets as well right?
I do not understand what you mean by Hegelian Dialectic... some kind of argumentative form or debate is what I get out of it... I think you mentioned Hegelian with those "venerated pantheon of gods and goddess", also the lady Columbia reference...
Did you mean Hellenistic gods there?
Wiki said the following regarding Hegelian Dialectic, very ambiguously:
"In the Logic, for instance, Hegel describes a dialectic of existence: first, existence must be posited as pure Being (Sein); but pure Being, upon examination, is found to be indistinguishable from Nothing (Nichts). When it is realized that what is coming into being is, at the same time, also returning to nothing (in life, for example, one's living is also a dying), both Being and Nothing are united as Becoming"
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 11:36 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Weak spirited beings here are purposely put in family situations and general positions as to not tax them too heavily in regard to spirit performance as such can easily overwhelm them. As a general rule, spirits here have family line members on the "outside" looking over them. Protecting them is not all that difficult due their low interest to the darkness. Instead it is the high profile spirits here that present a bit of a challenge to protect in terms of "Light workers".
Meekness is an often misunderstood word and is often though to mean weak, gutless and just an all around push over type of person. That's not really what that word means, especially in the older translation contexts.
Currently, mature spirits here are typically disliked by the darker/immature spirits here simply due their frequency differentials. Spirit conflicts of that nature operate on unseen planes of existence where darker spirits find those of the light just "vexing" to them for reasons they cannot put a finger on. Often dark spirits "like" each other and do not "like" brighter spirits. Birds of a feather tend to flock together is an accurate saying in regards to this phenomenon.
You're the expert on that topic as you're the only one holding enough information about yourself to draw that conclusion. Life loading here varies, but generally the more mature spirits have spouses and families as well as difficult contravening experiences to additionally load their lives. Typically high Kingdom loading is expressed in much the same way as it is in the Kingdom, with large family loads etc etc etc. And as I was pointing out, there are additional "amplification" factors which can GREATLY shoot those load factors to the moon, factors such as doing all of that while being cripple for example. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Can you elaborate more on the "protection from family members on the outside"? What are high profile ones? Are they those that take on leadership position?
As to find "vexing" to them.... could you imagine the kind of vexing the one that is getting "disliked due to frequency differentials" may experience? 
Other than 'sitting down and shutting up' is there something one can do to be less 'vexing'?
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 1:04 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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Gods and Goddesses are all handsome/beautiful in varied degrees dependent upon the maturity/development level of the spirit contained within. We, as gods and goddesses, are purposely "separated" from our Creator in several senses to be who WE are. However, the "tie that binds" us all together intentionally is the power of Real Love. In that way, that which was once directly part of our Creator is intended to be "bound" back together as the "tapestry" of Heaven, the long extended family lines of the Father/Mother pairs of the galaxies.
These family lines are intended to eternal, of flawless fidelity and unbreakable. The rebellion of old targeted these primary Husband/Wife unions to explode the Kingdom into a sexual free for all. That was Lucifer's primary "beef" with our Creator, not the totally insane reason of "wanting to be God". Even Lucifer isn't that stupid. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Are you saying those that were perceived as gods/goddesses looks very beautiful? Perhaps it is the soul or one's 'resonance frequency being' that determines the body to a sense. Does this mean that the level of one's, uh, determinants or where their being is on the range determines the shape they reincarnate into perhaps? Sort of like differences in development or attuning of soul playing a factor in shape of body whether human, reptile-saurian, insect-esque, or the angelic ones you mentioned here before?
Also that no matter what the being, whether human or angelic, each personally has a factor in being 'separated' from God. So it is the doing, and the choices beings make that is important and no so much the body shape?
Thank you.
So what was Lucifer's "beef" again? Did he not have a beautiful twin flame lady for him? Also... this whole other kingdom, or corner of vineyard... it's all there, to maintain a status quo, of control over others?
This power thing is well known even in our own human history and understanding, but you would think it would get 'old' after a while, that a being may want to change after a while. So I guess Mel Brook's saying "it's good to be the king" is really a comic reality eh? the adoration one receives still seems conditional though...
weird tangent:
kind of like getting love from a woman who does it because she has to, not because she wants to give it to you.. even in that example, what you get out of it, from the woman, seems worlds apart somehow, but can see how that can be seen, crudely, as the same thing.
Meaning it's like a fake love, you'd think one would get tired of that over time and want some Real Love.
Kind of like showing 'civility' now days doesn't seem to come close to Real Love.
I don't even know what this Real Love is, some say that the consciousness of this place is so love it is almost impossible to know what this is, without the distortions.
I'd like to know what this Real Love is, and what it would be like to be a being who can see with eyes reflecting Real Love.
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 1:16 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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Not exactly, although sex IS part of the Heaven "equation". The "Monkey sex" of our new "Atlantis raised" here is but a phantom of the experience seen by the spiritually Heart linked Twin Flames.
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Still, the Boaz Jachin "Door" to Heaven will always involve much sex, as such is a guaranteed of Twin Flame unions.
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Yes "laid", better said "fucked", as the low grade sex here on Earth is a large component of the virtual flood of low grade immature spirits currently incarnate here now. Such in part is the "key to the pit", as bodies are required to "spring" a spirit from the Mommy Earth "pit system". Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Can you elaborate what you mean by "Monkey Sex", and also in regards to sex being a part in Heaven (there is some heavenly good luvin up there you mean?)?
Also "Atlantis raised" here.... can you elaborate a bit more on this? Are you talking about pre-great-deluge-times here? Was that a 'wiping of the slate' kind of moment? From another interesting story it seems those times were a species intermixing luvin/rapin 'free for all', wonder if there were humans as we humans look today before the great biblical story, how do you feel about this?
You mean when beings are conceived here, it is allowing a return of a spirit from "the pit system"? You mean that those that were learning hard lessons (perhaps karma feedback of what they sowed)in hell, and all sorts of other places, are reincarnating here correct?
This makes me wonder what it really means to be 'human' (perhaps went down as repitilian and returned as human after gettin lesson learnin on) and what it means to be a "Child of God". Can you clarify?
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 1:16 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 1:31 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
The mythical Christ is yet another retelling of a story that has been fronted by the Children of Lucifer since at least ancient Sumeria. The purpose is to put the sheep here into "hero worship" mode whereby they transfer their God given power to the uses of the fallen. Hero worship to the fallen is like a battery to an electric car, much like the people in vats are to the "machines" in the Matrix movie series.
For more on the mythical dying demigods go here:
[ link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Hi Saxon,
I'd like to know more, not specifically the retelling of the story, but the real story that the retelling are based on...
Aren't there stories of heroes that really were heroes or thought about this Real Love you mention in our mythologies and myths?
Don't definitely see a problem being inspired by a hero, but only if heroes are 'real' heroes, not a spun kind of thing. A hero that doesn't show an example of what everyone should possess doesn't seem like a real hero as well on some level.
Also some of the M.O. you mentioned in relation to the "retelling"... some of the names from your list such as:
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Khrisna of India, crucified 1200 B.C.
Crite of Chaldea, crucified 1200 B.C.
Attis of Phrygia, crucified 1170 B.C.
Thammuz of Syria, crucified 1160 B.C.
Esus of the Celtic Druids, crucified 834 B.C.
Bali of Orissa, crucified 725 B.C.
Indra of Tibet, crucified 725 B.C.
lao of Nepal, crucified 622 B.C.
Sakia, a Hindu god, crucified 600 B.C.
Alcestis of Euripedes, crucified 600 B.C.
Mithra of Persia, crucified 600 B.C.
Quexalcoati of Mexico, crucified 587 B.C.
Aeschylus (Prometheus), crucified 547 B.C.
Wittoba of the Telingonese, crucified 552 B.C.
Quirinus of Rome, crucified 506 B.C.
and Jesus Christ, about the year A.D. 28 or A.D. 32.
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.... occurred well before the Essene teacher you described as being attributed to Jesus. What happened there?
Also why even, subtly control now, why not just do the overt open domination control thing that we had seen much earlier in history?
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/13/2009 1:41 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Who is Joshua ben Joseph circa early AD Palestine? Wouldn't the Pharisees or perhaps even them priests from Babylon would have a problem with what he was saying? From your website you made it sound like he 'worked' for them, but from what I have read he seemed to have been seen as a huge insurrectionist by the temple priests of that time.
Thank you. |
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