Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer

Hi Saxon,

Who is Joshua ben Joseph circa early AD Palestine? Wouldn't the Pharisees or perhaps even them priests from Babylon would have a problem with what he was saying? From your website you made it sound like he 'worked' for them, but from what I have read he seemed to have been seen as a huge insurrectionist by the temple priests of that time.

Thank you.

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Perhaps when the ego does not truly KNOW what it DOES sometimes may be the cause for real suffering.


The Ego generally operates out of self interest, especially when it is very immature. But the cause of suffering is many fold, and certainly not to be laid at the feet of the Ego.

Hi Saxon,

Can elaborate a bit more in regards to the "many non-fallen family lines being compromised"? Do you mean to suggest that there are those that came to help later on who instead 'bought into' this vineyard's worldy ways becoming "stuck"? many of us seems to have bought in as well to a system where the 'scum, as in sewage, getting to the top'... or that betraying one's own in some form seems to bring advancement and material gains. still seems like a personal battle if one buys in or not. also sadly that in this vineyard, you still have to be in the world, and so feel one has to play by it's rules in some form.

Can you elaborate more in regards to the "Integration of the Twin Flames", and the pillars? Door to Heaven, isn't that Ophiuchus?
What are the two pillars, Jachin and Boaz? Also aren't those important to Freemason fellas?

"resonant frequency of a being", that is like saying one's state of being, derived from a state of self realization perhaps?

what happens to the "luke warms", those that don't move themselves into either of the "range"? it seems that the events and experiences we all face individually moves the being in either ranges correct? it is interesting that the same experience can move a person either "higher or lower", but depends entirely on the being in some sense correct?

The determination being mostly based on the Heart... can you tell me what that means? Is that like displaying courage to be and express Real Love? How does one tune their antenna? Do we already do so, perhaps even sub/un-consciously, with the things we focus on?

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

Can we talk about the "goal", do you think this is a collective goal (which can only be done personally)?

"to repeatedly choose to offer one's self up in Love to both one's self and others"
"about extending one's self to others when the exchange leaves one's self burning" from the response....

It does seem like a 'service' to another in that sense, but a service one can only realize if they can 'see oneself in another', does it not?

Successful application of Love seems to indicate one must know what this is first of all... it feels we all know, to some level, the purposed pitfalls. perhaps knowing Real Love, and what it has to do to Know Thyself, will make those outer pitfalls become 'moot', to some level.

Can you tell us more about this "Real Love", the "Love development level", and the ability to "Love the Unlovable"?

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

How does one 'tune', how does one 'listen'?

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

Not so much "toward them as becoming like them"... they both seem interrelated to me. That as one become towards the Creator you become like "them" (not the conditional gods either), or as one become like them, they are moving towards Father-Mother-Love, does it not?

A desire for a parent to love their children, wish to see them mature and become like them, prosper... it feels this same quality can be nurtured in oneself and seen towards another... now would that be like a 'child' being like the 'parents'?

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

Not so much "toward them as becoming like them"... they both seem interrelated to me. That as one become towards the Creator you become like "them" (not the conditional gods either), or as one become like them, they are moving towards Father-Mother-Love, does it not?

A desire for a parent to love their children, wish to see them mature and become like them, prosper... it feels this same quality can be nurtured in oneself and seen towards another... now would that be like a 'child' being like the 'parents'?

Thank you.


Each symbol serves a similar purpose where the notion of becoming like our Creator Parents is a less thought notion in the minds of most. Becoming like ones parents is ultimately realized in forming the difficult union that exists between them. Only from such a position can one Truly understand their Heart and how they feel about their Children. It is one thing to think about a relationship and quite yet another to personally realize a relationship one's self.

Hi Saxon,

Perhaps suffering occurs when we lose ourselves, meaning far from to Know Thyself and what "Real Love" is about.

and that there are other aspects such as karma. which seems to just be a description of the Law of Attraction in that what you send out returns in "sameness" in some form.

Kind of like not truly treating one's neighbor as one would like to be treated. There also seems to an aspect of ignorance is bliss as well as ignorance is languishing, of the "gnashing of teeth" kind.

If it really is about maturity, it does seem to describe that all beings truly are on different points on the wheel. Maturity seems to be a self development/realizational thing as well. Meaning one can blame the kingdom or their rules, but ultimately the self 'tuning' is what allows one to hear, and overcome perhaps. Listening to 'their rules' does seem like "forming attachments to illusionary things", meaning far from the Truth.

Sometimes, it seems that children are more mature than adults as well, or some qualites about them seems to be more "better and value", or more at the "resonating frequency" to that Kingdom, but in the end i guess we all family (even those that really love power over others).

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

Is this sort of also like saying that: even if one is merely 'following orders', they still gotta 'pay' for it oneself if they commit a 'sin'?

While I do see a difference of "180 degrees" from what the hebrews were told to do, all the do as I says not as I do's, just a conditional loving god i still see elements of a unconditional loving God described in certain nuggets within the New Testament 'books'. The temple organizations may not exemplify or talk about those nuggets so much, but there are bits of nuggets as well right?

I do not understand what you mean by Hegelian Dialectic... some kind of argumentative form or debate is what I get out of it...

I think you mentioned Hegelian with those "venerated pantheon of gods and goddess", also the lady Columbia reference...

Did you mean Hellenistic gods there?

Wiki said the following regarding Hegelian Dialectic, very ambiguously:

"In the Logic, for instance, Hegel describes a dialectic of existence: first, existence must be posited as pure Being (Sein); but pure Being, upon examination, is found to be indistinguishable from Nothing (Nichts). When it is realized that what is coming into being is, at the same time, also returning to nothing (in life, for example, one's living is also a dying), both Being and Nothing are united as Becoming"

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

Can you elaborate more on the "protection from family members on the outside"?

What are high profile ones? Are they those that take on leadership position?

As to find "vexing" to them.... could you imagine the kind of vexing the one that is getting "disliked due to frequency differentials" may experience?

Other than 'sitting down and shutting up' is there something one can do to be less 'vexing'?

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,
Are you saying those that were perceived as gods/goddesses looks very beautiful? Perhaps it is the soul or one's 'resonance frequency being' that determines the body to a sense. Does this mean that the level of one's, uh, determinants or where their being is on the range determines the shape they reincarnate into perhaps? Sort of like differences in development or attuning of soul playing a factor in shape of body whether human, reptile-saurian, insect-esque, or the angelic ones you mentioned here before?

Also that no matter what the being, whether human or angelic, each personally has a factor in being 'separated' from God. So it is the doing, and the choices beings make that is important and no so much the body shape?

Thank you.

So what was Lucifer's "beef" again? Did he not have a beautiful twin flame lady for him?

Also... this whole other kingdom, or corner of vineyard... it's all there, to maintain a status quo, of control over others?

This power thing is well known even in our own human history and understanding, but you would think it would get 'old' after a while, that a being may want to change after a while. So I guess Mel Brook's saying "it's good to be the king" is really a comic reality eh? the adoration one receives still seems conditional though...

weird tangent:
kind of like getting love from a woman who does it because she has to, not because she wants to give it to you.. even in that example, what you get out of it, from the woman, seems worlds apart somehow, but can see how that can be seen, crudely, as the same thing.

Meaning it's like a fake love, you'd think one would get tired of that over time and want some Real Love.

Kind of like showing 'civility' now days doesn't seem to come close to Real Love.

I don't even know what this Real Love is, some say that the consciousness of this place is so low it is almost impossible to know what this is, without the distortions.

I'd like to know what this Real Love is, and what it would be like to be a being who can see with eyes reflecting Real Love.

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,
Are you saying those that were perceived as gods/goddesses looks very beautiful? Perhaps it is the soul or one's 'resonance frequency being' that determines the body to a sense. Does this mean that the level of one's, uh, determinants or where their being is on the range determines the shape they reincarnate into perhaps? Sort of like differences in development or attuning of soul playing a factor in shape of body whether human, reptile-saurian, insect-esque, or the angelic ones you mentioned here before?

Also that no matter what the being, whether human or angelic, each personally has a factor in being 'separated' from God. So it is the doing, and the choices beings make that is important and no so much the body shape?

Thank you.

So what was Lucifer's "beef" again? Did he not have a beautiful twin flame lady for him?

Also... this whole other kingdom, or corner of vineyard... it's all there, to maintain a status quo, of control over others?

This power thing is well known even in our own human history and understanding, but you would think it would get 'old' after a while, that a being may want to change after a while. So I guess Mel Brook's saying "it's good to be the king" is really a comic reality eh? the adoration one receives still seems conditional though...

weird tangent:
kind of like getting love from a woman who does it because she has to, not because she wants to give it to you.. even in that example, what you get out of it, from the woman, seems worlds apart somehow, but can see how that can be seen, crudely, as the same thing.

Meaning it's like a fake love, you'd think one would get tired of that over time and want some Real Love.

Kind of like showing 'civility' now days doesn't seem to come close to Real Love.

I don't even know what this Real Love is, some say that the consciousness of this place is so low it is almost impossible to know what this is, without the distortions.

I'd like to know what this Real Love is, and what it would be like to be a being who can see with eyes reflecting Real Love.

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

Can you elaborate what you mean by "Monkey Sex", and also in regards to sex being a part in Heaven (there is some heavenly good luvin up there you mean?)?

Also "Atlantis raised" here.... can you elaborate a bit more on this? Are you talking about pre-great-deluge-times here? Was that a 'wiping of the slate' kind of moment? From another interesting story it seems those times were a species intermixing luvin/rapin 'free for all', wonder if there were humans as we humans look today before the great biblical story, how do you feel about this?

You mean when beings are conceived here, it is allowing a return of a spirit from "the pit system"? You mean that those that were learning hard lessons (perhaps karma feedback of what they sowed)in hell, and all sorts of other places, are reincarnating here correct?

This makes me wonder what it really means to be 'human' (perhaps went down as repitilian and returned as human after gettin lesson learnin on) and what it means to be a "Child of God". Can you clarify?

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

I'd like to know more, not specifically the retelling of the story, but the real story that the retelling are based on...

Aren't there stories of heroes that really were heroes or thought about this Real Love you mention in our mythologies and myths?

Don't definitely see a problem being inspired by a hero, but only if heroes are 'real' heroes, not a spun kind of thing. A hero that doesn't show an example of what everyone should possess doesn't seem like a real hero as well on some level.

Also some of the M.O. you mentioned in relation to the "retelling"... some of the names from your list such as:

"
Khrisna of India, crucified 1200 B.C.
Crite of Chaldea, crucified 1200 B.C.
Attis of Phrygia, crucified 1170 B.C.
Thammuz of Syria, crucified 1160 B.C.
Esus of the Celtic Druids, crucified 834 B.C.
Bali of Orissa, crucified 725 B.C.
Indra of Tibet, crucified 725 B.C.
lao of Nepal, crucified 622 B.C.
Sakia, a Hindu god, crucified 600 B.C.
Alcestis of Euripedes, crucified 600 B.C.
Mithra of Persia, crucified 600 B.C.
Quexalcoati of Mexico, crucified 587 B.C.
Aeschylus (Prometheus), crucified 547 B.C.
Wittoba of the Telingonese, crucified 552 B.C.
Quirinus of Rome, crucified 506 B.C.
and Jesus Christ, about the year A.D. 28 or A.D. 32.
"

.... occurred well before the Essene teacher you described as being attributed to Jesus. What happened there?

Also why even, subtly control now, why not just do the overt open domination control thing that we had seen much earlier in history?

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

Who is Joshua ben Joseph circa early AD Palestine? Wouldn't the Pharisees or perhaps even them priests from Babylon would have a problem with what he was saying? From your website you made it sound like he 'worked' for them, but from what I have read he seemed to have been seen as a huge insurrectionist by the temple priests of that time.

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

What is required to know, realize, or seek an oasis of "Real Love"? ego can't seem to see or feel this. i think you said maturity, or ego maturity..

are life, time, experiences, and outer stimulus alone mature the ego, our self view of self, still thinks that something must first change or be realized within to mature.

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

It is also quite one thing to stubbornly wallow and another to want to KNOW the 'Parents' as well?

Reminds me of the parable regarding "the return of the Prodigal Son", by.... i don't even know anymore.

but that yeah, it does require a choice to return, or want to know the father-mother-love, right?

Thank you.

Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer


Well, that's an easy one. The Old Testament ‘God’ called Jehovah/Yahweh was thought by the Ancient Gnostics to be a deceptive Archon Alien off-planet Demon ‘War God’ and that he was a fake God and that ‘He’ was a masquerading Archon duplicating Reality trying to convince us that ‘He’ was the big kahuna. Now remember that the Gnostics believed in God, the ‘One True God’ they labeled ‘Him’ as also did Jesus define his belief as being of the ‘One True God’; most likely a lot of the stories of Jesus are actually re-hashed Gnostic myths about a possible rebellion against the Archons in which they came down very severely upon the rebels; so, the Archons were released somehow from a prison, and this is probably what the Book of Enoch is talking about where he says he took the Demons and locked them in a box but that they would come back at the End of Time.



John records Jesus describing the Devil as “the prince of this world” (12:31, 14:30). Jesus said,

“You are the children of your father, the Devil, and you want to follow your father’s desires. From the very beginning he was a murderer and has never been on the side of truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he is only doing what is natural to him, because he is a liar and the father of all lies.” (John 8: 44)

John 8:44 You [Jewish leaders] belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

John 8:44 It is written, YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, AND THE LUSTS OF YOUR FATHER YE WILL DO. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, AND ABODE NOT IN THE TRUTH, BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. WHEN HE SPEAKETH A LIE, HE SPEAKETH OF HIS OWN: FOR HE IS A LIAR, AND THE FATHER OF IT.


The Children of the Devil
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

The Claims of Jesus About Himself
48The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
49"I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."
52At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"
54Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer


Well, that's an easy one. The Old Testament ‘God’ called Jehovah/Yahweh was thought by the Ancient Gnostics to be a deceptive Archon Alien off-planet Demon ‘War God’ and that he was a fake God and that ‘He’ was a masquerading Archon duplicating Reality trying to convince us that ‘He’ was the big kahuna. Now remember that the Gnostics believed in God, the ‘One True God’ they labeled ‘Him’ as also did Jesus define his belief as being of the ‘One True God’; most likely a lot of the stories of Jesus are actually re-hashed Gnostic myths about a possible rebellion against the Archons in which they came down very severely upon the rebels; so, the Archons were released somehow from a prison, and this is probably what the Book of Enoch is talking about where he says he took the Demons and locked them in a box but that they would come back at the End of Time.



John records Jesus describing the Devil as “the prince of this world” (12:31, 14:30). Jesus said,

“You are the children of your father, the Devil, and you want to follow your father’s desires. From the very beginning he was a murderer and has never been on the side of truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he is only doing what is natural to him, because he is a liar and the father of all lies.” (John 8: 44)

John 8:44 You [Jewish leaders] belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

John 8:44 It is written, YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, AND THE LUSTS OF YOUR FATHER YE WILL DO. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, AND ABODE NOT IN THE TRUTH, BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. WHEN HE SPEAKETH A LIE, HE SPEAKETH OF HIS OWN: FOR HE IS A LIAR, AND THE FATHER OF IT.


The Children of the Devil
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

The Claims of Jesus About Himself
48The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
49"I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."
52At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"
54Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.


I fail to see how any of this addresses suffering here.

But, whatever, the fall of the Watchers is not primarily the reason for suffering here either.

...
Real Love is knowable here, but the difficulty is realizing such amidst the continual Heart beating handed out here to stop such.

Think of Love as water, and that each person has a self filling glass in their hand which naturally fills with water. In such example, anyone can drink as much as they like from the glass of another, but not from their own glass. As long as everyone extends their glass for drinking, everything is fine. It is not until more and more of the crowd drink while no longer extending their own glass. In the current world, not only is there no water being offered, but the glasses that are extended are now filled with straight alcohol or worst, poisoned water. So, not only is everyone thirsting to death, many are spiritually dying while others so roaring drunk they've lost all spiritual perspective.

....
Real Love is knowable here, but the difficulty is realizing such amidst the continual Heart beating handed out here to stop such.

Think of Love as water, and that each person has a self filling glass in their hand which naturally fills with water. In such example, anyone can drink as much as they like from the glass of another, but not from their own glass. As long as everyone extends their glass for drinking, everything is fine. It is not until more and more of the crowd drink while no longer extending their own glass. In the current world, not only is there no water being offered, but the glasses that are extended are now filled with straight alcohol or worst, poisoned water. So, not only is everyone thirsting to death, many are spiritually dying while others so roaring drunk they've lost all spiritual perspective.

...
Real Love is knowable here, but the difficulty is realizing such amidst the continual Heart beating handed out here to stop such.

Think of Love as water, and that each person has a self filling glass in their hand which naturally fills with water. In such example, anyone can drink as much as they like from the glass of another, but not from their own glass. As long as everyone extends their glass for drinking, everything is fine. It is not until more and more of the crowd drink while no longer extending their own glass. In the current world, not only is there no water being offered, but the glasses that are extended are now filled with straight alcohol or worst, poisoned water. So, not only is everyone thirsting to death, many are spiritually dying while others so roaring drunk they've lost all spiritual perspective.



Hi Saxon,

Have you ever read Stranger in a Strange Land?


"Thou art God, May you always drink deep May you never be thirsty...

...The essence of the discipline is, first, self-awareness, then, self control."
- Michael Valentine Smith


May you (all of us) always drink deep and Grok in fullness...Share water.

Hi Saxon,

Who's words do you think Thomas or Mary below were quoting, perhaps paraphrasing below? These books aren't in our bibles. It's possible that one or both may have been in the Dead Sea Scrolls and also that translations of them in different languages do seem to have existed in different cultures as well.

"When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty." - Gospel of Thomas

"..Be on your guard so that no one deceives you by saying, 'Look over here!' or 'Look over there!' For the child of true Humanity exists within you. Follow it! Those who search for it will find it." - Gospel of Mary of Magdala

What do you feel the Dead Sea Scrolls were about, were they hidden to safely preserve some knowledge or something else?

Thank you.

Hi Saxon,

Couldn't it be said that humanity (or what is in humans)has fallen themselves if they cannot "hear the song"?

I can see that now as a sort of 'Prodigal' experience away from the Father-Mother-Love-God, a chance to see what we can do on one's own. Experience creation.

It just seems that along the way we sort of lost ourselves and lost that connection.

I wonder if this is something that the humans and the fallen share. It's like they can't truly know the Father themselves, or don't want to.

Do you ever wonder if the Big Kahuna of fallen ever miss his 'original' and beautiful lady friend, it's twin flame right, or ever long for home. Come to know our mutual Creator, like returning to the 'Father' sort of thing.

Like getting to know ones "SOURCE of BEING".

Thank you.

The non-fallen family lines that have been compromised are rather numerous due to the intertwining of the family lines from galaxy to galaxy, especially in the upper realms where so many of the families are inter-related. For instance, from what I can tell, "Sophia" appears to be one of the main galactic mothers who incarnated here hoping to help due to one of her daughters having fallen into this mess here. And the risk of doing that is as you say, the very real possibility of getting caught here in the confusion and hate fest.

Twin Flames are independently matured and then pushed together on their last incarnational "pass" here on Earth. Their union forms the connection/lentil cross member of Love/Peace/Happiness/Prosperity thereby forming the "Door" to Heaven. These two pillars are shown "trapped" in Solomon's Temple by 12 other pillars that represent the children of Lucifer. The power of the fallen is directly derived from the imprisonment of the Twin Pillars, hence this form for their temple to their "dad", Lucifer.

Ophiuchus is the hidden constellation, the only one that connects directly to the sun. The fallen have hidden this fact since this showed up 2000 years ago, and is likely the reason that they did everything they could to hijack the whole storyline of the "One" with their made up jesus the christ story. In other words, they've been expecting the One and have laid in wait for his arrival.

Being resonant frequency is a byproduct of the repeated decisions that a being makes from day to day, those decisions either being in the direction of higher Love or lower self interest.
Luke warms continue on until they become motivated to strive for higher things. In the "pit system", pit #2, as I call it, is called "the shadow lands", a place of lukewarm spirits. Pit #1 is called "The Bosom of Abraham" and is often confused with Heaven as it is a very nice place to wait. And like any school, this school repeatedly presents the same "test" to a spirit until they finally get it "right".

One tunes their antenna by developing the ability and desire to take note of others around them and honestly care to extend themselves (within reason) to offer them a "leg up" in regards to bettering themselves here. Love is generally seen in these regards as honestly desiring to see others do well and grow, even when they hate you and do evil to you. (that last part is what is called "Christ" Love)

If you had children then you would understand that there is no greater gift of love than to send your innocent son off to die for others.


I have 3 children, 22, 19, and 18, and I would never send my children off to go die for someone else as such is silliness in the extreme.

No man or god can "pay" for the "sins" of another. That is NOT the way this Creation works, nor could it ever work in that way as such totally destroys the free will construct and hence then likewise Real Love itself.

If you bothered to read your own bible you'd find that your Old Testament has your "god" railing at the reader concerning the EVIL saying that a man should pay for the sins of another while then turning 180 degrees out to then claim that "God sent his only begotten Son to die for your sins".

But hey, that's typical Hegelian Dialectic in action and most Christians blindly follow their mythical leader to the tune of their NWO masters.