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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 689266
6/5/2009 7:28 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Answer: he doesn't
He allows freewill which opens the door for much evil. The suffering is a side effect of the freewill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488240
You are correct but I offer a slight correction - it is a side effect of wrong choices. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488240
6/5/2009 7:28 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
bad use of freewill |
| Ozicell
User ID: 689266
6/5/2009 7:29 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Because he didn't give a shit?
I look at Africa, Afghanistan,WW1,WW2, Korea,The Russian Gulags,The Holocaust,The Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq, Malaria,Hunger,destruction of the rain forest, atomic bombs and testing, the Killing Fields,Rwanda,Yugoslavia...
And thats just in the last one hundred years.
Now, we can use logic on this.
1. He doesn't give a shit
2. He is on a very long vacation
3. God is not what we think he is.
4. He doesn't exist
I tend to side with number 3 above.
Ditto for number 3!  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 689266
6/5/2009 7:31 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
bad use of freewill Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488240
Careless, reckless, thoughtless abuse of free will! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 667003
6/5/2009 7:31 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.
As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.
As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God. Quoting: Saxon (777)
I disagree (that is not too abusive is it?) |
| Uriel
User ID: 512435
6/5/2009 7:33 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Because he didn't give a shit?
I look at Africa, Afghanistan,WW1,WW2, Korea,The Russian Gulags,The Holocaust,The Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq, Malaria,Hunger,destruction of the rain forest, atomic bombs and testing, the Killing Fields,Rwanda,Yugoslavia...
And thats just in the last one hundred years.
Now, we can use logic on this.
1. He doesn't give a shit
2. He is on a very long vacation
3. God is not what we think he is.
4. He doesn't exist
I tend to side with number 3 above.
You let your kids go out and play, because they asked and pleaded with you,...they get hurt or even worst..was it because you did not care enough about them?..or did not gave a s***t about them?
You have free will, what happens to you is the outcome of your choices,..most of the time.
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beggining and the end, says the Lord God, who Is and who Was and who is coming, the Almighty. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 7:33 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.
As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.
As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.
Very good post..but God controls all that is going on on the Earth and nothing happens without His consentment. His Spirit and Will sustains it, as it was made by Him. Quoting: Uriel
Mother Earth is grinning on this one. Actually, for the most part we're being nurtured by the Female side of our Creator, She who turns to reality everything that we see in this place. Father Heaven awaits His/Her grown children, much like a father of the Earth does, when his sons/daughters mature to the point of taking a more active place in his day to day world.
As for God controlling everything, such could never be True as such eliminates Free Will and such elimination would destroy Real Love itself. Therefore, God controls Creation much like a stage owner who rents such out to those who "act" there. An overbearing parent is an unwise parent, as such destroys the will of their Children thereby making them brittle and despondent.
In the bigger scheme of things we ourselves either ARE the Elohim directly, or are those who ASPIRE to being such. And it is the Elohim who fashioned this Earth and the Moon which holds such constant. The moon is actually an active powered satellite designed to keep the dance of the Earth in time and tune.
Our Creator, OTOH is the originator of those fine immortal bodies that the fallen are so hellbent on copying to their own ends. In such we, the creators of mortal bodies, are but again a mirror image of our Creator Mother and Father, and in such do they draw great pleasure and enjoyment watching their children grow.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645198
6/5/2009 7:34 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
You can only grow in character thru suffering.
Think of the people you know who have an easy life, enough money, no problems, good looks, a great marriage....
You think they are so lucky?
Not really.
They are just "simple" - they cannot take any pressure, so they are not given it.
The ones who suffer a lot, they are the ones with the potential to grow.
If you think the world is just what we see here on earth, there there is no way you will ever understand suffering. This world, and our experiences in it, and how we react, is the gateway to the next world. Thru suffering and growing, (and dying) we make it to a better place.
Believe it, or else you will spend a lifetime of suffering about your suffering. Once you understand that suffering is a blessing in disguise, it won't bother you so much. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695824
okay... so what about the poor little children who are kidnapped, brutally raped, tortured and eventually killed?
how did this make anything better?
particularly the one's who's bodies have never been found and the killer got away with it?? |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 7:38 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
there is no hell, or rapture or jesus .
christians are all brainwashed Quoting: Anonymous Coward 573835
As much as I'd like to jump on your band wagon on this , I must point out that indeed there is a hell as such is self generating by the Divine Law of Attraction outside of this place.
In other words, when people leave here, they by Law are pulled to be among others just like themselves. Such is True for the very hateful as well, and do to such clump on the lower end of the spectrum. The very environment which surrounds them is then projected by their collective Heart conditions, a place which mirrors that Truth, a place deserving the name hell.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 695985
6/5/2009 7:39 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 695985
6/5/2009 7:40 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.
As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.
As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Saxon you always amaze me. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 7:41 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Because he didn't give a shit?
I look at Africa, Afghanistan,WW1,WW2, Korea,The Russian Gulags,The Holocaust,The Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq, Malaria,Hunger,destruction of the rain forest, atomic bombs and testing, the Killing Fields,Rwanda,Yugoslavia...
And thats just in the last one hundred years.
Now, we can use logic on this.
1. He doesn't give a shit
2. He is on a very long vacation
3. God is not what we think he is.
4. He doesn't exist
I tend to side with number 3 above.
I would say that for most, 3 is the appropriate choice. All of the above is easily explained when one knows the True picture of the Kingdom and the Creator Parents who established such.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 7:43 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.
As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.
As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.
I disagree (that is not too abusive is it?) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667003
It's not enough to simply say you disagree, you must state WHY you disagree.
We have STANDARDS to keep up here!!
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 579266
6/5/2009 7:44 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
There is huge problem with your explanation.
When you live your kid at a daycare center you don't expect the people there to torture/rape/kill your kid as a part of the "experience"...no sane human would allow that to happen to his kids.
You just can't f:ing learn to play the piano (create a nice life) IF the darkness (super-evil elite/reptilian scum) always want to torture/rape/kill you and they never give you the piano (true galactic technology) either.
The REAL answer is a mirror-picture: see how the animals are enslaved/killed for the pleasure of the humans; so are humans enslaved too (also we lack the personal superpowers that could keep the insane darkness at bay; one need to have equal genetic power to balance the forces of darkness otherwise we get weak like now)
Stop supporting the killing of animals; strive for enlightment (via Buddhism/Taoism) and strive to achieve superpowers; then darkness will loose its grip on you for ever. |
| European guy
User ID: 579266
6/5/2009 7:47 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
There is huge problem with your explanation.
When you live your kid at a daycare center you don't expect the people there to torture/rape/kill your kid as a part of the "experience"...no sane human would allow that to happen to his kids.
You just can't f:ing learn to play the piano (create a nice life) IF the darkness (super-evil elite/reptilian scum) always want to torture/rape/kill you and they never give you the piano (true galactic technology) either.
The REAL answer is a mirror-picture: see how the animals are enslaved/killed for the pleasure of the humans; so are humans enslaved too (also we lack the personal superpowers that could keep the insane darkness at bay; one need to have equal genetic power to balance the forces of darkness otherwise we get weak like now)
Stop supporting the killing of animals; strive for enlightment (via Buddhism/Taoism) and strive to achieve superpowers; then darkness will loose its grip on you for ever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 579266
Sorry for the typo: live=leave |
| Uriel
User ID: 512435
6/5/2009 7:47 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.
As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.
As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.
Very good post..but God controls all that is going on on the Earth and nothing happens without His consentment. His Spirit and Will sustains it, as it was made by Him.
Mother Earth is grinning on this one. Actually, for the most part we're being nurtured by the Female side of our Creator, She who turns to reality everything that we see in this place. Father Heaven awaits His/Her grown children, much like a father of the Earth does, when his sons/daughters mature to the point of taking a more active place in his day to day world.
As for God controlling everything, such could never be True as such eliminates Free Will and such elimination would destroy Real Love itself. Therefore, God controls Creation much like a stage owner who rents such out to those who "act" there. An overbearing parent is an unwise parent, as such destroys the will of their Children thereby making them brittle and despondent.
In the bigger scheme of things we ourselves either ARE the Elohim directly, or are those who ASPIRE to being such. And it is the Elohim who fashioned this Earth and the Moon which holds such constant. The moon is actually an active powered satellite designed to keep the dance of the Earth in time and tune.
Our Creator, OTOH is the originator of those fine immortal bodies that the fallen are so hellbent on copying to their own ends. In such we, the creators of mortal bodies, are but again a mirror image of our Creator Mother and Father, and in such do they draw great pleasure and enjoyment watching their children grow.
I never heard of this Creator "OTOH"...there is only one God,..the God that created the Universe and all it contains...and His Son Jesus Christ the redeemer of us all.
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beggining and the end, says the Lord God, who Is and who Was and who is coming, the Almighty. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 7:49 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
You can only grow in character thru suffering.
Think of the people you know who have an easy life, enough money, no problems, good looks, a great marriage....
You think they are so lucky?
Not really.
They are just "simple" - they cannot take any pressure, so they are not given it.
The ones who suffer a lot, they are the ones with the potential to grow.
If you think the world is just what we see here on earth, there there is no way you will ever understand suffering. This world, and our experiences in it, and how we react, is the gateway to the next world. Thru suffering and growing, (and dying) we make it to a better place.
Believe it, or else you will spend a lifetime of suffering about your suffering. Once you understand that suffering is a blessing in disguise, it won't bother you so much.
okay... so what about the poor little children who are kidnapped, brutally raped, tortured and eventually killed?
how did this make anything better?
particularly the one's who's bodies have never been found and the killer got away with it?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 645198
There is a complicating factor that one must keep in mind when discussing this topic, that the rebellion and collapse of the watcher group for Mother Earth has taken this "vineyard" VERY FAR from design intent, and that much of the useless suffering we see is due that abuse.
Now, having said that, such does not mean that every difficult thing we see is due the rebellion, as such things can be used to the good depending upon the individual people and situations surrounding them.
And do keep in mind that no one "gets away" with anything. All choices are directly recorded into one's OWN spirit and are then directly inherited upon death. There is no escape from this, not striking deals with dying "saviors" or anything else for that matter. Simply put, you CHOOSE what you become.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| E.T.
User ID: 695985
6/5/2009 7:52 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
I have already stated why I don't believe in a 'creator/parental' god.
But like I said before, Saxon you amaze me. You are such an intellectual yet you want a non physical, mystical parent to take care of you, to justify your reasoning of why certain things work the way they do on this planet. You are so good at explaining your picture of reality, but it still has lots of holes in it.
When I started the atheist quotes thread it was because more than half of those quotes are by people challenging religion, not god, and questioning irrational ideas. They are not really atheists, but someone has labeled them that way because it is the only way to 'explain' why they won't buy a specific religion.
I will not say there is no god, I will say that the christian god, or any derivation of it whether it is a new age justification of an old religious idea of god, does not exist except in the minds of lemming like thinkers who do not want to take resonsibility for themselves or who refuse to admit that there is something they don't understand. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 8:00 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
There is huge problem with your explanation.
When you live your kid at a daycare center you don't expect the people there to torture/rape/kill your kid as a part of the "experience"...no sane human would allow that to happen to his kids. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 579266
In reality you are trivializing the situation as the children in question were the ones running the daycare. Also, you fail to realize that our Creator has no interest in killing any of "their" children, and looks to "salvage" ALL of them if possible. The flip side of the rebellion "problem" is that free will cannot simply be "stiff armed" by our Creator. As well, our Creator knows all of us better than we know ourselves and knows what is needed to "fix" this problem. The "fix" to this problem was going to come from WITHIN the problem itself. There was no other way, as the "problem" threatened the rest of Creation as well, hence the quarantine on this galaxy.
You just can't f:ing learn to play the piano (create a nice life) IF the darkness (super-evil elite/reptilian scum) always want to torture/rape/kill you and they never give you the piano (true galactic technology) either. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 579266
True, but OTOH, you can get a good look at what happens when people as a general rule reject Real Love and the consequences thereof. Get a good whiff of Jiff, because there's going to be an "exit exam" at the end of the new age of salvaging where the slick lies will again be allowed to make their rounds from the rounds of Lucifer himself.
The REAL answer is a mirror-picture: see how the animals are enslaved/killed for the pleasure of the humans; so are humans enslaved too (also we lack the personal superpowers that could keep the insane darkness at bay; one need to have equal genetic power to balance the forces of darkness otherwise we get weak like now) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 579266
The "death" of darkness was always going to be found from within its depths, hence the reason such was allowed to fester for so long, much like allowing a fever to "run its course". Actually, Jim Henson did a good job of capturing this Truth in "The Dark Crystal", where the weaknesses of the Light are strengthened by the lessons of the darkness.
Stop supporting the killing of animals; strive for enlightment (via Buddhism/Taoism) and strive to achieve superpowers; then darkness will loose its grip on you for ever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 579266
Well, how about the animals stop brutalizing each other, and we'll follow along?
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 8:02 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.
As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.
As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.
Saxon you always amaze me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695985
Thank you.
Always? Apparently you've missed some of my late night excursions.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 653999
6/5/2009 8:04 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
A bruised reed He will not break,
A smoking ember He will not quench - - Word of God about God and His mercy and love for us.
Of course the enemy comes against us.
And we are made stronger through our trials.
Simply put, God makes stars out of our scars.
The Word also says that trials are in our lives to assist us in helping others through their trials/growth.
Really, Saxon ... regarding your comments about the Bible being authored by the workers of darkness/whatever it was you said ...
Do you really think that the plans of the enemy could EVER have victory over the hand of the Divine?
Not happening, whether you want to believe it or not.
The Word of God is more powerful than any two-edged sword and able to cut through the b.s./fat to the truth/meat of the matter - - Word of God about the WORD, aka The Holy Bible (minus the b.s. part).
I believe that the Bible was written on multiple levels, inspired by The Most High, and that most of us as humans, are not even comprehending level one.
And I believe all this - - regardless of any interference by the principalities and powers and the rulers of the darkness of this age!
They are no power against the Almighty.
I loved your post/answer, though, as to why suffering is allowed.
This part in particular:
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
As I understand it, when gold is refined, all the dross/impurities are eventually burned away by fire/heat. The purer the gold becomes, the clearer the refiner's reflection within it.
And this you wrote:
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
- - Also in the Word - - Nothing happens in your life that you cannot handle and not only handle, but escape and be thankful ...
Just saying ... you're thumping.
LOL
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 8:07 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
I never heard of this Creator "OTOH"...there is only one God,..the God that created the Universe and all it contains...and His Son Jesus Christ the redeemer of us all. Quoting: Uriel
Oh, Creator On The Other Hand is the real Creator unlike the stand alone "father" you've been lied to concerning.
If this creation doesn't point out the fallacy of that lopsided notion, then nothing will, as EVERYTHING which lives is a product of BOTH male AND female, and such is True of our Creator as well since such is the very foundation of Love itself.
Gender isn't just some fanciful good feeling good time temporary mortal design, it spans the Heavens right up into the throneS of BOTH our Mother AND Father Creator.
So, when you find anything worth talking about that's alive which is outside of this design, give us a call.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| IB
User ID: 696007
6/5/2009 8:12 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
I find it interesting that when god is mentioned on GLP its usually in the form of the christian god.
Some other beliefs, as old or older in some cases believe a bit differently.
They believe you are god, and you create your experience.
Siddahs and others believe there are unseen entities that feed off your emotional state.
(once I experienced a dream where someone was chucking green plasma at me that turned into little gremlin creatures which tried to bite me) Then all of a sudden I started meeting people that wanted to "Help me make it to the top" but something just smelled wrong about the whole thing.
(Another time I had a dream of a sharp tooth angry demonic looking figure and a female grabbing my butt saying I thought you wanted me to. He tossed red plasma at me and it hit.. I later came across some buddhist beads called the 9 generals and found one that looked much like this guy. His description was Lust Demon. I kidd you not.
I then encountered many females I almost immediatly fell infatuated with (and i have been married for over 20 years). I was unable to stop for some reason looking at ring fingers and certain body parts. I still fight this to this very day.
Ive also had etheric dreams of sucking or tick like creatures and well just stuff I have never seen even in a sci fi movie so I don't think it could have been simple imagination.
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I consider this angle when I see a planet that allows population to increase but not very good resource management and no reason not to have good resource management. At times more than enough (depending on where you live) and at times less.
Vedic philosophy says you create your God and your reality by your desires and they also say that once fulfilled you wont be pleased so you create another desire.
Jains say one day you will simply manifest what you need (similar to the movie the secret which I do not recomend unless you are non depressed and have studied more than one or two eastern belief systems.
I have an unusual ability that I can dream an outcome before something occurs and usually prevent myself from making a bad choice (along with some kind of remote viewing ability but its new to me).
example,
It has kept me out of trouble for quite some time I met 2 women that almost had a hold of my heart when I was going through the red plasma thing and in the dream they said "Your not going to try to get him to cheat on (T wifes name here) are you.
I had a dream a year before with a little girl in it, then after 20 years of marriage an accident happened.
Yes, aparently they (TPB) already know who I am.
Tried to hi-jack me... Another etheric dream with 2 men trying to stick a needle in my leg. (Ill keep the rest of this to myself)
There are things that happen in this world we were never told about, but aparently that doesn't make them any less real.
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\IB |
| wonbyOne
User ID: 653999
6/5/2009 8:12 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
A bruised reed He will not break,
A smoking ember He will not quench - - Word of God about God and His mercy and love for us.
Of course the enemy comes against us.
And we are made stronger through our trials.
Simply put, God makes stars out of our scars.
The Word also says that trials are in our lives to assist us in helping others through their trials/growth.
Really, Saxon ... regarding your comments about the Bible being authored by the workers of darkness/whatever it was you said ...
Do you really think that the plans of the enemy could EVER have victory over the hand of the Divine?
Not happening, whether you want to believe it or not.
The Word of God is more powerful than any two-edged sword and able to cut through the b.s./fat to the truth/meat of the matter - - Word of God about the WORD, aka The Holy Bible (minus the b.s. part).
I believe that the Bible was written on multiple levels, inspired by The Most High, and that most of us as humans, are not even comprehending level one.
And I believe all this - - regardless of any interference by the principalities and powers and the rulers of the darkness of this age!
They are no power against the Almighty.
I loved your post/answer, though, as to why suffering is allowed.
This part in particular:
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
As I understand it, when gold is refined, all the dross/impurities are eventually burned away by fire/heat. The purer the gold becomes, the clearer the refiner's reflection within it.
And this you wrote:
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
- - Also in the Word - - Nothing happens in your life that you cannot handle and not only handle, but escape and be thankful ...
Just saying ... you're thumping.
LOL
From your friend, wonbyOne |
| wonbyOne
User ID: 653999
6/5/2009 8:19 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
I never heard of this Creator "OTOH"...there is only one God,..the God that created the Universe and all it contains...and His Son Jesus Christ the redeemer of us all.
Oh, Creator On The Other Hand is the real Creator unlike the stand alone "father" you've been lied to concerning.
If this creation doesn't point out the fallacy of that lopsided notion, then nothing will, as EVERYTHING which lives is a product of BOTH male AND female, and such is True of our Creator as well since such is the very foundation of Love itself.
Gender isn't just some fanciful good feeling good time temporary mortal design, it spans the Heavens right up into the throneS of BOTH our Mother AND Father Creator.
So, when you find anything worth talking about that's alive which is outside of this design, give us a call.
"Let 'US' make man in our image" ... both male and female parts in the original Hebrew/Genesis account of creation ... there's tons of things that are going to blow people away when they find out some of the truths about the unknown.
Eyes have not seen and ears have not heard ...
New Day's coming! |
| Uriel
User ID: 512435
6/5/2009 8:20 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
I never heard of this Creator "OTOH"...there is only one God,..the God that created the Universe and all it contains...and His Son Jesus Christ the redeemer of us all.
Oh, Creator On The Other Hand is the real Creator unlike the stand alone "father" you've been lied to concerning.
If this creation doesn't point out the fallacy of that lopsided notion, then nothing will, as EVERYTHING which lives is a product of BOTH male AND female, and such is True of our Creator as well since such is the very foundation of Love itself.
Gender isn't just some fanciful good feeling good time temporary mortal design, it spans the Heavens right up into the throneS of BOTH our Mother AND Father Creator.
So, when you find anything worth talking about that's alive which is outside of this design, give us a call.
Tell me, how you became to know the god you proclaim and the veracity of it?. What makes you think what you know is truth and the others a falacy?
Please explain
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beggining and the end, says the Lord God, who Is and who Was and who is coming, the Almighty. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 411162
6/5/2009 8:22 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.
As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.
As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Saxon... I'm curious. Where do you get your info about all of this? |
| ATTC
User ID: 695941
6/5/2009 8:24 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
The Wrath of God Against Mankind
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Basically man is prone to all the sinful natures of the flesh because he was initially disobedient.
That's why basically life is a test to resist those desires of the flesh and to find one's way back to God |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/5/2009 8:50 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
I have already stated why I don't believe in a 'creator/parental' god.
But like I said before, Saxon you amaze me. You are such an intellectual yet you want a non physical, mystical parent to take care of you, to justify your reasoning of why certain things work the way they do on this planet. You are so good at explaining your picture of reality, but it still has lots of holes in it.
When I started the atheist quotes thread it was because more than half of those quotes are by people challenging religion, not god, and questioning irrational ideas. They are not really atheists, but someone has labeled them that way because it is the only way to 'explain' why they won't buy a specific religion.
I will not say there is no god, I will say that the christian god, or any derivation of it whether it is a new age justification of an old religious idea of god, does not exist except in the minds of lemming like thinkers who do not want to take resonsibility for themselves or who refuse to admit that there is something they don't understand. Quoting: E.T. 695985
I do? Says who?
I'd say you've got more work to do before pronouncing "Holes" in something you apparently don't have right. 
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Uriel
User ID: 512435
6/5/2009 8:50 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Because he didn't give a shit?
I look at Africa, Afghanistan,WW1,WW2, Korea,The Russian Gulags,The Holocaust,The Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq, Malaria,Hunger,destruction of the rain forest, atomic bombs and testing, the Killing Fields,Rwanda,Yugoslavia...
And thats just in the last one hundred years.
Now, we can use logic on this.
1. He doesn't give a shit
2. He is on a very long vacation
3. God is not what we think he is.
4. He doesn't exist
I tend to side with number 3 above.
or,....
If you let your kids have free choice,..is it because:
You dont give a S***t about them or,...
You wanted to have a vacation and ignored them or,..
Your want your children to think you are not really who you say you are...or..
You want them to think you simple dont exist.
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beggining and the end, says the Lord God, who Is and who Was and who is coming, the Almighty. |
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