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Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 704532
6/27/2009 9:44 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

I saw some discussion on suffering during the first nine pages. Yet this post goes on and on. It is now 27 pages long. This is more proof of what is going on here.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713314
6/28/2009 12:37 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

What do you see when you look in the mirror?


I see the most amazing person I've ever seen, read about or met.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 12:25 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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Women aren't the "bad guys", they are the ULTIMATE target when looking to breach the "wall" of Heaven. We saw the same tactics used here in the US to breach a similar societal wall. First came the "free sex" of the 60s, mostly aimed at the husbands, flooding the married husband life with LOTS of "free sex" from females around them.

Then came the oooooshy goooooshy "love" 70's where the women were harloted out to whoredoms and the horse of social implosion was OFF AND RUNNING. Once the momentum picks up, it cannot be stopped as is easily seen around us today. The men hypocritically responded with indignation that their wives had fucked other men and instantly rejected them, thereby forcing their wives to steal the husband of another and another and another. The domino affect.

The very homes of these families were targeted, so it didn't matter where the wives "stayed". The immortals cannot be killed. There is no such thing as "spiritual death" regardless how much the religious ignorant push that nonsense.

So, the ONLY "fix" to all of this is FORGIVENESS along with the required REPENTANCE between these husbands and wives. Such is the age of Aquarius.

Here's a very cool video which goes along with this:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

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I am "the servant of the water", the water being the Divine Feminine. I am sympathetic to the Hearts of BOTH and the reconciliation of BOTH. The "Arrow Shot" is all about that fact.

[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
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 Quoting: Saxon (777)



Hi Saxon,

I must admit that even now and throughout our known history women had been 'weighed down' by forms such as being 'put down', negative connotations and labels such as prostitute/whore, seen as possession or objects, a scapegoat for temptations and such. The ladies have been sullied through the mud it seems, on some level.



This video sort of reminds me of this. Here you see three beautiful ladies sort of stuck in 'mansion' made by the fellas for the fellas, the 'manworld'.

Inside it seems fully of 'shiney things' and even full of the ladies that's bought into the rules and the conditions of the house.

Those ladies can be considered beautiful on the outside, but seemed to have lacked a sort of inner beauty of sort. Dulled and not so much inner shining, sickly looking in a creepy way, which the peacock fellas didn't seem to mind.

There didn't seem to be a trace of respect or appreciation for the females in that house. the money power here didn't seem to buy 'heart' power from the three ladies, and they seemed to sort of stayed true to look elsewhere.

Well the video seems to end with the 'shining' ladies running out of that dank 'sausage festival' and into the waters.


Also the 'free loving freedom' expressions of social culture in the 60's and 70's were a deliberate act to weaken 'earth bound marriages' bonds, is this what you say?

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 12:58 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

During the "Atlantis-jewel" times, was there something that "hurt the camel's back" kind of event that brought about the biblical floods?

Thank you.
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 4:41 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

i no longer seek for my 'soul mate'.
i am content with my present celibacy.
i do not feel a need to connect sexually, to be whole.
i am whole already.
 Quoting: spacie 713366


It's always pointless to "seek" for soul mates or Twin Flames, as both are simply "given" by those looking after one here.

Many here currently have their Twin Flame on the other side looking out for them due the extreme risk/danger during these times.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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Uriel
User ID: 512435
6/28/2009 4:49 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

i no longer seek for my 'soul mate'.
i am content with my present celibacy.
i do not feel a need to connect sexually, to be whole.
i am whole already.


It's always pointless to "seek" for soul mates or Twin Flames, as both are simply "given" by those looking after one here.

Many here currently have their Twin Flame on the other side looking out for them due the extreme risk/danger during these times.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


What do you mean by this?

My soul mate is half way around the world, im trying to sell my house to be with her. Much pain i endure at present time.
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beggining and the end, says the Lord God, who Is and who Was and who is coming, the Almighty.
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 4:50 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Can you share more in regards to Venus, Lilith, and pentagrams in general? The two latter do bring up negative connotations. What are the significance to these three, are there any?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


I suspect Venus to be one of the three daughters of Sophia, Love, Faith and Hope. That would explain why she just "shows up" out of nowhere in lore surrounding her.

Lilith is the "love child" had by the union of Venus and Lucifer/Set, something that was perpetrated to separate her from her husband Horus, something that worked for a LONG LONG time, until recently.

Back in the day, Venus and her daughter Lilith had their times in "grove worship" etc etc, and were generally VERY rebellious women. Venus was considered the WAR goddess due her extremely hot temper, and hanging her symbol, the pentagram upside down brings out that temper. Other than that, she is equally powerful in Love, having an equal Heart to her husband. Venus is typically shown with red hair, and for good reason.

I suspect the pentagram was derived from the Star of Love/David, meaning, when her husband disappeared, the "point" or penis of her past Love was removed, reducing her Star of Love to her then symbol, the Pentagram. That would be a story similar in notion as to the Isis story.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:01 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

What does "overcoming the Beast" mean and entail again? also what is the Beast?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


The "Beast" is the overall control system deployed by "Satan", the physical children of Lucifer/Set. Such is a power system of "experts" and "credibility" based upon the many "in the know" institutions set forth by the Beast for purposes of deception. The general MO of the Beast is to "hide" the Truth right under everyone's noses as "fiction". Therefore, when someone begins to figure out the REAL picture, thereby untangling themselves from their "web" of deceit, those surrounding them will bash them down in their usual fearful indignant way.

Overcoming the Beast entails finding and understanding the Truth concerning this world, knowing how each of the main branches of the Beast operate to befuddle and chain the masses against who such is deployed. Such requires GREAT courage and determination as understanding these things isolates the seeker from most everyone physically around them. As well, such opens the seeker up to continual scorn and ridicule from everyone around them. If you're in a religion thinking you know the answers to what I've stated above, you're still trapped by the religion arm of control. That's all in the "Mind" department.


In addition to all of this, the main and fundamental overcoming has to do with one's Heart. As I'm sure most of you have found, generally those with the courage to do the above, often fall down in the Real Love department due the constant barrage of BS they must withstand from everyone around them, often turning them into rather bitter people. Such is a VERY difficult balancing act, and few are they who can Truly pull such off.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:11 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Can you share more in regards to "the 5th Element" and also the Niburu thing? Is that palace of the watchers or the throne room of the Beast's father or something, like an Anu to an Enlil (who was described as a "red beast" in true form)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821




The "5th Element" is actually Real Love, as denoted in the movie "The 5yh Element". The first 4 "elements" are actually code for the first 4 chakra sets upon which Real Love rests.

The Pyramid is the primary symbol for the integration of these 4 chakras (sides) into the top "platform" (Heart) upon which then is able to rest Real Love.

In any regards, the movie rightly shows what happens to Nibiru once the 5th element, Love is again attained for Goddess Venus. (that's the why of the extremely red hair in the movie and her "perfect" DNA)

The reason that Goddess Venus weighs SO heavily into all of this is that she is/was THE current goddess of veneration in this galaxy, as her once mother in law, Goddess Isis, was run out of her own galaxy. That example of Real Love, once thought to be impossible (i.e. the realigning of two Hearts once SO separated in past jealousy and bitterness) totally puts the LIE and END to Lucifer/Set's primary method of dark kingdom build and maintenance.



Also from my quick look into numerology, life path number was thought to be 9, until i took into account my real birthdate which showed 11. are there any significance with these numbers, a quick search showed negative aspects like 'sacrifice' and freaky stuff like that.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821



My life number is 11 as well, and the day of the month in which I was born is also 11. Such is a general ascension life number, meaning your here for a sizable life mission.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 5:11 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

What does "overcoming the Beast" mean and entail again? also what is the Beast?

Thank you.


The "Beast" is the overall control system deployed by "Satan", the physical children of Lucifer/Set. Such is a power system of "experts" and "credibility" based upon the many "in the know" institutions set forth by the Beast for purposes of deception. The general MO of the Beast is to "hide" the Truth right under everyone's noses as "fiction". Therefore, when someone begins to figure out the REAL picture, thereby untangling themselves from their "web" of deceit, those surrounding them will bash them down in their usual fearful indignant way.

Overcoming the Beast entails finding and understanding the Truth concerning this world, knowing how each of the main branches of the Beast operate to befuddle and chain the masses against who such is deployed. Such requires GREAT courage and determination as understanding these things isolates the seeker from most everyone physically around them. As well, such opens the seeker up to continual scorn and ridicule from everyone around them. If you're in a religion thinking you know the answers to what I've stated above, you're still trapped by the religion arm of control. That's all in the "Mind" department.


In addition to all of this, the main and fundamental overcoming has to do with one's Heart. As I'm sure most of you have found, generally those with the courage to do the above, often fall down in the Real Love department due the constant barrage of BS they must withstand from everyone around them, often turning them into rather bitter people. Such is a VERY difficult balancing act, and few are they who can Truly pull such off.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


Bitter and resentful, makes it hard for one to try to see beauty in all things, especially each other.
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:13 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

I saw some discussion on suffering during the first nine pages. Yet this post goes on and on. It is now 27 pages long. This is more proof of what is going on here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 704532


Yes, it's "proof" that suffering is a general meme quite common to the Kingdom, and as well that understanding such involves much understanding of that Kingdom.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 5:17 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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In any regards, the movie rightly shows what happens to Nibiru once the 5th element, Love is again attained for Goddess Venus. (that's the why of the extremely red hair in the movie and her "perfect" DNA)

....
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


Hi Saxon,

Red hair and the "perfect" DNA, are you talking about Leeloo Minai Lekarariba-Laminai-Tchai Ekbat De Sebat?


She was a babe. hf

So what was Niburu about, a good neighbor or ultimate outer dominators?


Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 5:20 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Do you know why the numbers 666 has a negative connotation with it, also what was the meaning of 777?

Also, "an 11th hidden" circle in the Sepiroth, the Tree of Life right? What is that about?

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 5:23 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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Lilith is the "love child" had by the union of Venus and Lucifer/Set, something that was perpetrated to separate her from her husband Horus, something that worked for a LONG LONG time, until recently.

Back in the day, Venus and her daughter Lilith had their times in "grove worship" etc etc, and were generally VERY rebellious women. Venus was considered the WAR goddess due her extremely hot temper, and hanging her symbol, the pentagram upside down brings out that temper. Other than that, she is equally powerful in Love, having an equal Heart to her husband. Venus is typically shown with red hair, and for good reason.

.....
 Quoting: Saxon (777)



Hi Saxon,

A very interesting lady on this forum stated that all that was known of Lilith in general was that she was a "whore from the city of Eridu". Any idea what this is about? Was Lilith sort of an abandoned offspring in this case, if true?

This lady also mentioned that alot of the despicable things done which were attributed to Lilith, was actually done by the Eve. Not sure why this would be the case but thought it was interesting.

Thank you.
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:25 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

I must admit that even now and throughout our known history women had been 'weighed down' by forms such as being 'put down', negative connotations and labels such as prostitute/whore, seen as possession or objects, a scapegoat for temptations and such. The ladies have been sullied through the mud it seems, on some level.



This video sort of reminds me of this. Here you see three beautiful ladies sort of stuck in 'mansion' made by the fellas for the fellas, the 'manworld'.

Inside it seems fully of 'shiney things' and even full of the ladies that's bought into the rules and the conditions of the house.

Those ladies can be considered beautiful on the outside, but seemed to have lacked a sort of inner beauty of sort. Dulled and not so much inner shining, sickly looking in a creepy way, which the peacock fellas didn't seem to mind.

There didn't seem to be a trace of respect or appreciation for the females in that house. the money power here didn't seem to buy 'heart' power from the three ladies, and they seemed to sort of stayed true to look elsewhere.

Well the video seems to end with the 'shining' ladies running out of that dank 'sausage festival' and into the waters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821




That's a very good video which brings across the shallowness of "love" in the male dominated world, the very "desert of Love" as it is called in the ancient Hebrew texts. Just as men are the main holders of the "Sword" (logic and Truth) of the Kingdom, so then are women the main holders of the "Dove" (Real Love) of the Kingdom, and this video does a good job of symbolically showing the current sad state of affairs for women, and really men as well, as BOTH are miserable in such confusion. The "water" (flood) shown in the video in which the three women float is the symbolic of the now "flood" of Divine Feminine inundating the world. If you've noticed, the very outward act of wearing dresses again has taken the female world by storm. That's a good thing as the women need to be moved back into their natural female world and too the guys back into their male world.





Also the 'free loving freedom' expressions of social culture in the 60's and 70's were a deliberate act to weaken 'earth bound marriages' bonds, is this what you say?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821



Yes, very True. And once the marriage is decimated, controlling the whole family is then very easy.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 5:27 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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Back in the day, Venus and her daughter Lilith had their times in "grove worship" etc etc, and were generally VERY rebellious women. Venus was considered the WAR goddess due her extremely hot temper, and hanging her symbol, the pentagram upside down brings out that temper. Other than that, she is equally powerful in Love, having an equal Heart to her husband. Venus is typically shown with red hair, and for good reason.

....
 Quoting: Saxon (777)



Hi Saxon,

"Grove worship" periods, like a (powerful) lady scorned kind of thing? By "grove" do you mean the kind of worship that 'seems' to be depicted in the grove that is attributed as bohemian? Do recall symbolisms of baby sacrifices and stuff like that from that sort of 'worship genre'.

Thank you.
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:34 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

During the "Atlantis-jewel" times, was there something that "hurt the camel's back" kind of event that brought about the biblical floods?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


The story says all of that had something to do with a "brain fart" originating in the scientific community of Atlantis, their thinking themselves to be a WHOLE lot "slicker" than they actually were.

As well, such could have been due more to the general "reset" of Mother Earth once the "game" has been played to completion. Typically the fallen associated with Nibiru used to do their "victory dance" Earth pole shift and general destruction. In other words, once the world hits a general level of population and technology, if the "Light" (nonfallen) have not isolated and shown the "overcomers" to the Beast (those who incarnated here for the sole purpose of throwing their hat into the ring for the supplanter "contest"), then the fallen declare their WIN, do their general "destroy the world" victory dance
5a
...and the world is once again set to cycle again to play the same "game" yet again. In such, the fallen get to continue their "kingdom", and their general fallen ways. The reason for ALL of this was to yield this relatively small group of supplanting overcomers. That's the reason that even Revelations shows the crowd gathering over time.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:37 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

i no longer seek for my 'soul mate'.
i am content with my present celibacy.
i do not feel a need to connect sexually, to be whole.
i am whole already.


It's always pointless to "seek" for soul mates or Twin Flames, as both are simply "given" by those looking after one here.

Many here currently have their Twin Flame on the other side looking out for them due the extreme risk/danger during these times.

What do you mean by this?

My soul mate is half way around the world, im trying to sell my house to be with her. Much pain i endure at present time.
 Quoting: Uriel


I mean exactly what it says, many here who threw their hats into the "supplanter" ring, did so by leaving their Twin Flame on the other side to strategically help them achieve that goal.

It's sometimes difficult to know if one is with a soul mate v.s. a Twin Flame relationship as some soul mate relationships come close in approximating the more superior Twin Flame relationship.

In any regard, you're the only one who can really assess such.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:42 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Bitter and resentful, makes it hard for one to try to see beauty in all things, especially each other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Yes it does, and such has ever been the primary "hold" of the darkness once they had successfully "severed" a Twin Flame union. Generally, they'd acquire BOTH Flames due to what generally ensued after such violent separations.

And that's what makes the particular event involving Goddess Venus SO monumental for the Light and Darkness, as such finally spans the "gap" between the two, giving a "Bridge of Love" on which those once estranged are able to come back home.

No one excelled Goddess Venus for being "bad" in this galaxy, and therefore such example gives GREAT hope to those trapped in estrangement here.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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Uriel
User ID: 512435
6/28/2009 5:46 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

i no longer seek for my 'soul mate'.
i am content with my present celibacy.
i do not feel a need to connect sexually, to be whole.
i am whole already.


It's always pointless to "seek" for soul mates or Twin Flames, as both are simply "given" by those looking after one here.

Many here currently have their Twin Flame on the other side looking out for them due the extreme risk/danger during these times.

What do you mean by this?

My soul mate is half way around the world, im trying to sell my house to be with her. Much pain i endure at present time.



I mean exactly what it says, many here who threw their hats into the "supplanter" ring, did so by leaving their Twin Flame on the other side to strategically help them achieve that goal.

It's sometimes difficult to know if one is with a soul mate v.s. a Twin Flame relationship as some soul mate relationships come close in approximating the more superior Twin Flame relationship.

In any regard, you're the only one who can really assess such.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


Thanks for the response, but it will take some time to fully understand the true meaning of it.
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beggining and the end, says the Lord God, who Is and who Was and who is coming, the Almighty.
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:49 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

...
In any regards, the movie rightly shows what happens to Nibiru once the 5th element, Love is again attained for Goddess Venus. (that's the why of the extremely red hair in the movie and her "perfect" DNA)

....


Hi Saxon,

Red hair and the "perfect" DNA, are you talking about Leeloo Minai Lekarariba-Laminai-Tchai Ekbat De Sebat?


She was a babe. hf

So what was Niburu about, a good neighbor or ultimate outer dominators?


Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Is that the name of the actress opposite Bruce Willis? cow


If so, that's QUITE the name. lol

And yeah, she did a good job of representing Goddess Venus in the script.

Nibiru was about timing, like a clock placed on a chess board to keep the "game" moving. Such gave the fallen a place to hang as well a more general "home base" from which to work. As well, Nibiru was needed to do the general razing and resetting of the Earth for each cycle, just as shown in the movie.

I suspect that Nibiru will soon be decommissioned as Her need for such is no longer needed.

I say we use it for the new honeymoon ride for the newly graduated Twin Flames prior to their first spirit watching assignment here.


We'll call it......

THE LOVE STAR!!!



...you know, a little take off on the "Death Star" and "The Love Boat"?

peace
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:53 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Do you know why the numbers 666 has a negative connotation with it, also what was the meaning of 777?

Also, "an 11th hidden" circle in the Sepiroth, the Tree of Life right? What is that about?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


666 is actually a good number representing the Triune Love which is "saving" this galaxy from the torment of the Triune hate of Lucifer/Set.

It's being shown repeatedly in the crop circles lately as well with 3 fish etc.

777 is the "Sword of Eden", the triune "cutting" instrument of Truth, something which guards the Kingdom of Heaven. The number 7 is spiritual perfection and the triplicate use of such ties again back to 666, which itself ties to Love/Dove.

So, in short...

777 = Sword of Eden/Truth, Male

666 = Dove of Love, Female
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 5:58 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

A very interesting lady on this forum stated that all that was known of Lilith in general was that she was a "whore from the city of Eridu". Any idea what this is about? Was Lilith sort of an abandoned offspring in this case, if true?

This lady also mentioned that alot of the despicable things done which were attributed to Lilith, was actually done by the Eve. Not sure why this would be the case but thought it was interesting.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Yes, very shortly after decimating Venus's relationship and running of with the family in general, Lucifer/Set dumped both her and her family, as well as the newly born Lilith.

In abject ANGER, both of them then set forth to take out their ire and confusion upon the unsuspecting world here, doing MANY regrettable things over those ages. I suspect the fallen were those looking to force some guy on Lilith as such is typical for them.

Such are the ways of the fallen, ever driving wedges between others, deeper and deeper, to assure the stability of their "prisoner" ranks.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 6:03 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

...

Back in the day, Venus and her daughter Lilith had their times in "grove worship" etc etc, and were generally VERY rebellious women. Venus was considered the WAR goddess due her extremely hot temper, and hanging her symbol, the pentagram upside down brings out that temper. Other than that, she is equally powerful in Love, having an equal Heart to her husband. Venus is typically shown with red hair, and for good reason.

....



Hi Saxon,

"Grove worship" periods, like a (powerful) lady scorned kind of thing? By "grove" do you mean the kind of worship that 'seems' to be depicted in the grove that is attributed as bohemian? Do recall symbolisms of baby sacrifices and stuff like that from that sort of 'worship genre'.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Grove worship was about general sex worship, with the "Oak Groves" chosen for general shade. At these events, huge orgies and sex games were practiced alongside human sacrifices etc depending upon the group. Ashtoreth poles (penis symbols etc), were part of the festivities and general debauchery.

In the groves, they'd chop down trees and carve the remaining stump into big penises etc.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 6:07 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

It saddens me that in this kingdom, the lambs and the lions are together. Other than 'rolling over' the Creator must have provided a way for the lambs to defend against the lions, without turning into like lions themselves.

Any thoughts?

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
6/28/2009 6:13 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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Grove worship was about general sex worship, with the "Oak Groves" chosen for general shade. At these events, huge orgies and sex games were practiced alongside human sacrifices etc depending upon the group. Ashtoreth poles (penis symbols etc), were part of the festivities and general debauchery.

In the groves, they'd chop down trees and carve the remaining stump into big penises etc.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


Hi Saxon,

Sounds kind of like a "Wiccans/Hedonists/Hippies Gone Wild" sort of thing here.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 714073
6/28/2009 6:22 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

saxon, your views are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too traditional for my current mode of thinking !!

women in dresses and men in pants, eh ?

i was a teen during the 60s.
those days, teens had sex and alot of broken condoms.
our moms also, had one too many additional child....due to the condom problem. so, moms had d & c's, and kids got married.
then, the pill came on scene.
what a wave of relief for both sexes !
we had illegal abortions, back alley style.
and we still wanted sex/union/bliss.

now, today, i find myself at age 60.
i have done the marriage game, twice.
i have wanted and birthed, 3 wonderful children.

several of my friends are gay.
i have health issues, so, sex is now a memory.

we cannot go back.
i love people who see each other as having the same desires as themselves !
if traditional man/woman appeals to you, aok by me.
but, life offers so much more to explore now.

spacie....
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 6:52 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

It saddens me that in this kingdom, the lambs and the lions are together. Other than 'rolling over' the Creator must have provided a way for the lambs to defend against the lions, without turning into like lions themselves.

Any thoughts?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Well, such has been a hard path to be sure, but free will also dictates much of the action of our Creator. As well, the very outcome of the future of the Creation in general was at stake, therefore making many of the "sacrifices" necessary.

No one has been more brutalized than myself over the ages, and I suppose I could become bitter and resentful to our Creator for "allowing" all of that to "happen to me and take place, but I choose NOT to. I understand what is at stake, and therefore agree with what our Creator is doing in regard to stabilizing and "saving" His/Her Creation.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 6:54 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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Grove worship was about general sex worship, with the "Oak Groves" chosen for general shade. At these events, huge orgies and sex games were practiced alongside human sacrifices etc depending upon the group. Ashtoreth poles (penis symbols etc), were part of the festivities and general debauchery.

In the groves, they'd chop down trees and carve the remaining stump into big penises etc.


Hi Saxon,

Sounds kind of like a "Wiccans/Hedonists/Hippies Gone Wild" sort of thing here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


That's where much of what they believe originated. For them, worshiping and denigrating sex are one and the same thing.

In the bigger picture of Creation, such defacing is but the prattle of children too immature to see the folly of their ways.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
6/28/2009 7:00 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

saxon, your views are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too traditional for my current mode of thinking !!

women in dresses and men in pants, eh ?

i was a teen during the 60s.
those days, teens had sex and alot of broken condoms.
our moms also, had one too many additional child....due to the condom problem. so, moms had d & c's, and kids got married.
then, the pill came on scene.
what a wave of relief for both sexes !
we had illegal abortions, back alley style.
and we still wanted sex/union/bliss.

now, today, i find myself at age 60.
i have done the marriage game, twice.
i have wanted and birthed, 3 wonderful children.

several of my friends are gay.
i have health issues, so, sex is now a memory.

we cannot go back.
i love people who see each other as having the same desires as themselves !
if traditional man/woman appeals to you, aok by me.
but, life offers so much more to explore now.

spacie....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714073


Dresses are a good way to project Femininity, and in such is a good thing for women in general.

The bottom line of all of this is Real Love in any manner of "vehicle" for which it might cross the finish line of success.

As much as this current society now scoffs and mocks the ways of the Victorian era, such group FAR surpassed this current society in the successful development of REAL Love. Most of the "love" of this current society is but a dark phantom of what once was more commonly developed in better circumstances.

Now, that's not to say that the Victorian era was "perfect" in such, as that is clearly NOT the case. However, it STILL was better than the general mass confusion gripping the general populace today.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
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