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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/4/2009 3:20 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
HardTruth, you carry on the way you are and one day the Lord will deal with you without mercy. Quoting: 9teen.47™
Your "lord" Lucifer/Jesus/Set won't be "dealing" with anyone. You're groveling before and hoping upon a HAS BEEN "god".
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Just so ya Know...
User ID: 718132
7/4/2009 3:21 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
It's Called FREE WILL. |
| HardTruth 
User ID: 717377
7/4/2009 3:26 PM
 | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
It's Called FREE WILL. Quoting: Just so ya Know... 718132
Explain to me please, your concept of free will!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| 9teen.47™
Time is short.
User ID: 718104
7/4/2009 3:28 PM
 | | Well.
User ID: 718132
7/4/2009 3:30 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
It is Not a concept It is The Way this Enviroment se live in was Set in Motion.
It's all About Our Choices.
True Free Will is Self Explanitory. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 717377
7/4/2009 3:37 PM
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It is Not a concept It is The Way this Enviroment se live in was Set in Motion.
It's all About Our Choices.
True Free Will is Self Explanitory. Quoting: Well. 718132
lol....I though as much, you don't even understand it, only what you've been told and very little of that has any hint of truth to it!!
Try again, this time put some thought into it, no hurry!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| Esther
User ID: 718172
7/4/2009 4:23 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Why is God to blame for the suffering? When will man take up his own responobility? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 681119
7/4/2009 5:00 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
As far as emotional suffering goes, God allows it so that you will have an appropriate response upon reading this thread. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 684295
7/4/2009 5:02 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
IT ISN'T THAT HE "ALLOWS" IT.
IT IS THAT HE CAUSES IT!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 681119
7/4/2009 5:10 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
IT ISN'T THAT HE "ALLOWS" IT.
IT IS THAT HE CAUSES IT!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 684295
This is what I mean. I read the above, and so many others, and have the correct emotion available to choose from. And as far as God goes, he is longsuffering....and His great patience continues to amazes me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718667
7/5/2009 10:58 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Why is God to blame for the suffering? When will man take up his own responobility? Quoting: Esther 718172
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/5/2009 3:44 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
:nwoG:
Saxon (777) works for these people. Quoting: 9teen.47™
You are a liar. But, then, that's pretty much standard fare for shill Christians like yourself.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/5/2009 3:47 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
IT ISN'T THAT HE "ALLOWS" IT.
IT IS THAT HE CAUSES IT!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 684295
Sometimes that is True, but not for purposes of "discipline" as the lies of Christianity go.
Suffering here is generally developmental, but not always so. Due to the rebellion, many departures to the original intent of this realm now exist in regards to suffering.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/8/2009 8:27 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Have you heard of the mystical idea, or meme, regarding experiencing one's "dark night of the soul". Do you know what this idea is about, and is this related to overcoming the beast?
Thank you. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/8/2009 10:51 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Have you heard of the mystical idea, or meme, regarding experiencing one's "dark night of the soul". Do you know what this idea is about, and is this related to overcoming the beast?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
That's the first in a series of requirements of overcoming the entire Beast. Only those balanced themselves could have ever overcome the Luciferian Beast long tormenting this world.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720725
7/8/2009 11:02 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John2:22
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1John4:3
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720725
7/8/2009 11:03 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2John1:7
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/9/2009 12:22 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2John1:7
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720725
Yes, many are the Luciferian Christian deceivers who fill this world with violence in the name of their "god" Lucifer.
The "anti-christ" in your Luciferian bible is anyone who opposes the forces of Lucifer/Set in this his kingdom.
MANY are the FOOLS who serve "king" Lucifer in deception and ignorance, and MANY are they who will be be ASHAMED at their folly.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720725
7/9/2009 12:33 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John2:22
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1John4:3
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2John1:7 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/9/2009 12:39 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Have you heard of the mystical idea, or meme, regarding experiencing one's "dark night of the soul". Do you know what this idea is about, and is this related to overcoming the beast?
Thank you.
That's the first in a series of requirements of overcoming the entire Beast. Only those balanced themselves could have ever overcome the Luciferian Beast long tormenting this world. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Can you provide more in regards to the "requirements of overcoming", what is this? This is like 'resolving' one's own beast within, like getting one's own snake firmly gripped or something like that?
What is this Dark nigh of the soul, is this like an event for one where all their 'unresolved sewage' comes up to the surface, or something like that?
This balance, is this like the "Middle Way/Path" described in alot of mysticism... and how does this allow those to overcome the long tormenting kind?
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/9/2009 2:33 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
What your ideas regarding concepts such as higher awareness, Self Actualization, Christ Consciousness, and one's Higher Self?
Thank you. |
| 9teen.47™
Time is short.
User ID: 721483
7/9/2009 3:16 AM
| | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John2:22
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1John4:3
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720725
 Well said 720725
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobaccos worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/9/2009 10:35 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John2:22
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1John4:3
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2John1:7 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720725
So says your "lord" Lucifer. 
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/9/2009 10:56 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Can you provide more in regards to the "requirements of overcoming", what is this? This is like 'resolving' one's own beast within, like getting one's own snake firmly gripped or something like that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Overcoming the Beast is two fold.
1. Overcoming the "beast" within.
2. Overcoming the Beast without.
Firstly, in order to posture one's self to address that deception outside of one's self, the person must FIRST address that which is a lie within themselves. A car missing engine pistons and wheels is never going to win a "race", and such is True for the man attempting to tear down the well crafted lies here in Lucifer's kingdom.
In such things only the well balanced Mind and Heart of the warrior can ever assail such a great challenge. Those who have tried have seen the multitudes laying overwhelmed along the way, those lacking the balance of BOTH Mind and Heart, where neither can be totally overwhelmed by the nastiness of the journey. One Truly hating their enemy has lost before he has begun as can be seen by SO many overwhelmed with the negativity of such bitterness. True warriors upon the field garner mutual respect for one another, and in so doing see the Truth face to face.
Secondly, the embedded control systems utilized by the children of Lucifer, Satan, in this realm, are that "Beast" to be addressed by the properly balanced "warrior" as detailed above. This is where that balance of BOTH Mind and Heart will come to play, as this "job" is tricky at best and bordering on impossible at worst. You see, the Truth exists here in this realm as a prisoner, divided, surrounded and widely scattered. One will see pieces of "Her" where ever one looks, while never seeing the WHOLE of Her ANYWHERE.
This is part of the "deal" struck between the Light and the Darkness via the very Laws of the Creation Herself. This is where the Heart becomes SO instrumental in sorting and picking those pieces of Truth from the bondage of the many lies. As is SO often seen, neither the Mind or the Heart is SOLELY fit to this task, as BOTH is needed in varying capacities depending upon the terrain of the effort. Once the many pieces of Truth are extracted and collected, THEN can the TRUE picture of the REAL Kingdom be assembled.
THAT, my friend, is "overcoming the Beast", something done BOTH in one's Heart/Mind and belief system.
What is this Dark nigh of the soul, is this like an event for one where all their 'unresolved sewage' comes up to the surface, or something like that?
This balance, is this like the "Middle Way/Path" described in alot of mysticism... and how does this allow those to overcome the long tormenting kind?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
The dark night of the soul is exactly that, the "barfing" of the accumulated bitterness and anger accumulated in a war of Hearts and Minds. Such is VERY painful, coming from the depths of one's spirit that heretofore were unknown by the person involved.
The balance of Mind and Heart is yet another mirror image of the Father and the Mother, where each applies the needed force to balance in any situation.
When one rides a bicycle, the forces applied in either direction are determined by the situation the rider experiences upon the trail. In such then does a "middle road" not apply, as at times one could misconstrue the experience to be totally Father and/or totally Mother.
I'm not sure what you mean by "long tormenting kind". 
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/9/2009 11:09 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
What your ideas regarding concepts such as higher awareness, Self Actualization, Christ Consciousness, and one's Higher Self?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Higher awareness is found standing upon a properly founded Heart. Such is the very reason for the Earth, the full integration of the first 4 chakra sets so as to allow the spirit to fully manifest Real Love. Upon such then does higher awareness thrive.
Self Actualization is related to the above in that no one can "actualize" themselves without Loving themselves FIRST. And in such then is the Love of others outside of the person THEN realized. The spirit Truly Loving themselves is fully actualized and self aware.
Christ Consciousness is one of the most misunderstood concepts in the spiritual realm. The misconceptions range from imagining such to be a "man", or "god", or both, to being something that's done to a person. None of those misunderstandings apply to the Christ consciousness. Needless to say, in Lucifer's kingdom, such a concept is going to be HUGELY maligned and misrepresented so as to keep the successful attainment of such minimized.
Christ Consciousness is simply (realized in MUCH difficulty) the attainment of ANY spirit in regards to Love. The Christ Consciousness is the LAST of the success of Real Love. Much like climbing a Mountain, Christ Love is "reached" only after scaling the other "spectra" of Love accomplishments. For a spirit to Truly realize Christ Love, they FIRST must TRULY Love themselves, their Twin Flame and THEN their brothers and sisters.
Real Love has a "structure" as well a spectra of powers and manifestations in the many "bonds" of its being.
The spirit proclaiming its Love for the world while inwardly despising itself deludes itself.
The successful realization of what I have stated above is the realization of one's "Higher Self".
THERE is the "god/goddess" that our Creator is looking for.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/9/2009 11:11 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John2:22
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1John4:3
Well said 720725
 <-------Lucifer's Sockpuppet.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/9/2009 2:35 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Overcoming the Beast is two fold.
1. Overcoming the "beast" within.
2. Overcoming the Beast without.
Firstly, in order to posture one's self to address that deception outside of one's self, the person must FIRST address that which is a lie within themselves. A car missing engine pistons and wheels is never going to win a "race", and such is True for the man attempting to tear down the well crafted lies here in Lucifer's kingdom.
In such things only the well balanced Mind and Heart of the warrior can ever assail such a great challenge. Those who have tried have seen the multitudes laying overwhelmed along the way, those lacking the balance of BOTH Mind and Heart, where neither can be totally overwhelmed by the nastiness of the journey. One Truly hating their enemy has lost before he has begun as can be seen by SO many overwhelmed with the negativity of such bitterness. True warriors upon the field garner mutual respect for one another, and in so doing see the Truth face to face.
Secondly, the embedded control systems utilized by the children of Lucifer, Satan, in this realm, are that "Beast" to be addressed by the properly balanced "warrior" as detailed above. This is where that balance of BOTH Mind and Heart will come to play, as this "job" is tricky at best and bordering on impossible at worst. You see, the Truth exists here in this realm as a prisoner, divided, surrounded and widely scattered. One will see pieces of "Her" where ever one looks, while never seeing the WHOLE of Her ANYWHERE.
This is part of the "deal" struck between the Light and the Darkness via the very Laws of the Creation Herself. This is where the Heart becomes SO instrumental in sorting and picking those pieces of Truth from the bondage of the many lies. As is SO often seen, neither the Mind or the Heart is SOLELY fit to this task, as BOTH is needed in varying capacities depending upon the terrain of the effort. Once the many pieces of Truth are extracted and collected, THEN can the TRUE picture of the REAL Kingdom be assembled.
THAT, my friend, is "overcoming the Beast", something done BOTH in one's Heart/Mind and belief system.
The dark night of the soul is exactly that, the "barfing" of the accumulated bitterness and anger accumulated in a war of Hearts and Minds. Such is VERY painful, coming from the depths of one's spirit that heretofore were unknown by the person involved.
The balance of Mind and Heart is yet another mirror image of the Father and the Mother, where each applies the needed force to balance in any situation.
When one rides a bicycle, the forces applied in either direction are determined by the situation the rider experiences upon the trail. In such then does a "middle road" not apply, as at times one could misconstrue the experience to be totally Father and/or totally Mother.
I'm not sure what you mean by "long tormenting kind".
Hi Saxon,
Isn't it the case that one really isn't ready to overcome the 'outer beast' until one has overcome their 'inner beast'?
Also, Dark night of the Soul... it does sound unpleasant/painful but ultimately necessary and beneficial in the end.... kind of like taking one's bad tasting medicine, like Castor oil.
How does this process occur and what happens? Have you experienced this?
I imagine getting through this is like a 'rebirth' afterwards, minus the crusty baggage.
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/9/2009 2:40 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Higher awareness is found standing upon a properly founded Heart. Such is the very reason for the Earth, the full integration of the first 4 chakra sets so as to allow the spirit to fully manifest Real Love. Upon such then does higher awareness thrive.
Self Actualization is related to the above in that no one can "actualize" themselves without Loving themselves FIRST. And in such then is the Love of others outside of the person THEN realized. The spirit Truly Loving themselves is fully actualized and self aware.
Christ Consciousness is one of the most misunderstood concepts in the spiritual realm. The misconceptions range from imagining such to be a "man", or "god", or both, to being something that's done to a person. None of those misunderstandings apply to the Christ consciousness. Needless to say, in Lucifer's kingdom, such a concept is going to be HUGELY maligned and misrepresented so as to keep the successful attainment of such minimized.
Christ Consciousness is simply (realized in MUCH difficulty) the attainment of ANY spirit in regards to Love. The Christ Consciousness is the LAST of the success of Real Love. Much like climbing a Mountain, Christ Love is "reached" only after scaling the other "spectra" of Love accomplishments. For a spirit to Truly realize Christ Love, they FIRST must TRULY Love themselves, their Twin Flame and THEN their brothers and sisters.
Real Love has a "structure" as well a spectra of powers and manifestations in the many "bonds" of its being.
The spirit proclaiming its Love for the world while inwardly despising itself deludes itself.
The successful realization of what I have stated above is the realization of one's "Higher Self".
THERE is the "god/goddess" that our Creator is looking for. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
How does one truly come to "love thyself", forgive oneself? It doesn't seem this love is realized for oneself in the form of 'helping themselves to the buffet table (materialism)'.
one can look in the mirror and say,"self i sure loves you", but this doesn't seem to do it.
It does seem the case that if one cannot love oneself, one cannot really come to love others in a sense.
So how does one do this?
I guess it doesn't help that in the values that seems to be inherent in 'this kingdom' I feel like the biggest schmoe, or loser of them all.
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/9/2009 2:42 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Do you have any ideas regarding the myth of Prometheus bringing man 'fire', and the punishment for doing so?
Was Prometheus here a Lucifer and the flame have anything to do with twin flames, and that guy's daily punishment, was that the pit system experience?
In this story, it was depicted as a great sacrifice of sort... any idea what this is about?
Thank you. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/9/2009 2:51 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Isn't it the case that one really isn't ready to overcome the 'outer beast' until one has overcome their 'inner beast'? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Yes, hence the reason that so few here have overcome the outer beast. This was a test for the "Mighty" of Creation, with the most powerful spirits of creation here incarnate to "throw their hats in the ring", taking a shot at "winning" one of those abandoned positions of rule left by those of the rebellion.
Also, Dark night of the Soul... it does sound unpleasant/painful but ultimately necessary and beneficial in the end.... kind of like taking one's bad tasting medicine, like Castor oil.
How does this process occur and what happens? Have you experienced this?
I imagine getting through this is like a 'rebirth' afterwards, minus the crusty baggage.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Imagine your worst fears and facing them all in the darkest period of your life, alone. The process varies from person to person and the intensity is reflected in the amount of accumulated "baggage" that a given spirit has collected over the ages. The timing of the event is determined by those guarding one's path, those able to "see" where your spirit is at in development and relative position in regards to the "baggage".
What happens is largely dependent upon the basis of one's fears and past. And yes, I've been through this. It was literally like being dead, after which I "arose". It's something very difficult to think back upon.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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