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Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer

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Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/11/2009 4:08 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Yes, that is the point ultimately of "waking up" to the "Attas" here who then tap their "Over Souls" for the needed background with which to "overcome the Beast".

However, typically one is physically protected by an extended ethereal family member.



Hi Saxon,

Can you share more in regards to Attas and the Over Souls?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Attas and Oversouls are different in that all developing spirits have an oversoul (much like a life data storage system as well an immortal body which can operated autonomously to the projected incarnated "ego" of the overall being.)

Attas, from what I remember are fully developed "christ" type spirits here for the highest level of functioning.

This is the reason so many people can be hypnotized and "regressed" back to their previous lives.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/11/2009 4:10 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

You do not feel there are any aspects of 'dormant or unrealized' potention in the DNA? I believe the gist of external DNA tamperings/manipulation (Zacharia S.) is that perhaps some of the information or codes that may aid people to see through manipulations was lost, or the abilities lost through such tamperings...

I do wonder if this is related the DNA experiment "brain farts" (or "silly choice" as stated by another) you mentioned during the tail end of the Atlantis times.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Oh sure, that too. I thought you meant in pure form. The tampering and cutting and splicing is similar to computer programming where a program gets modified by chopping out "loops" while leaving the code there in the program doing nothing at all. All of that is likely part of what we're seeing.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/11/2009 4:13 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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The "Hold" currently in place on Earth does indeed appear to be mostly for the benefit of the denser/heavier spirits living here, as they seem to be the more likely beneficiaries of such an effort being that they are older and likely more to understand what is taking place.

The immature sleeping masses will likely ignore just about anything and "understand" such just as the propaganda tells them.
....



Hi Saxon,

I was always under the impression that as one, over time, start to lose connection to their 'true being (what one is- the Know Thyself)' that is the process of getting denser and denser... akin to becoming more like the 'crude physical' matter that one believes themselves to be. What you say seem to indicate that 'older spirits' are the denser ones.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Older spirits can be anywhere from denser to far less dense depending upon the repeated decisions made by that spirit. The older denser spirits I was referring to here are those "fallen" who indeed have much experience, but also repeatedly choose the darkness thereby making them denser.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
7/11/2009 5:19 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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She seemed to suggest that alot of people's families face a pretty brutal and harsh life, where in their life they have bullies (outer dominators) that are pretty overt. Or bullies out in the open. Also that family structure is a mess, because everyone is in fear, divided, and openly treated like 'meat'.



The above is a True Statement, but by FAR not a general spirit picture. She is simply relaying the situation of many of the spirit families trapped in this realm. That in no way means the majority of spirits in Creation are stuck in such a mess.

The above is also a True statement in regards to THIS realm. This sad spirit prison has so confused the spirits here that they repeatedly reincarnate here over and over and over with virtually no gain in Heart condition whatsoever. Therefore, for them, indeed the afterlife here is but a vicious cycle of sad life to sad pit experience to again another sad life. Often such a cycle takes a spirit BACKWARD in regards to Heart development, thereby deepening their entrapment here. Such is the reason SO much emphasis here is placed upon MIND development and "success" in terms of wealth and other spiritually useless and damaging endeavors.
....
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


Hi Saxon,

Regarding the Peggy K. account, all I would primarily be interested in is the fate of the 'family' I know, we know, here... im sure in the overall picture of creation, there isn't so much suffering in they physical or spiritual or even that 'other plane' of existence.. or something like that..

But the family we know around us, on account of being here... their action's, realization, state of being determines if they experience the gritty gnashing-of-teeth kind of living that Peggy seemed to want to talk about, is that it?

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
7/11/2009 5:22 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

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And too, one has to keep in mind the source of Kane's information, the reptilian collective and the darker human spirit collective of say the "shadowlands pit" or the "time out pit". Were she to tap "The Bosom of Abraham pit", she'd imagine herself to have found "heaven", as many confuse such with Heaven.
....
 Quoting: Saxon (777)



Hi Saxon,

There is a place or existence that is attributed to Abraham or, er, 'Abrahamic'?

Im sure you mean Abraham from the Old Testament accounts, yes? From the churches isn't Abraham depicted 'like' Moses? Did Abraham and Moses 'know' the same 'God' you think?

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720725
7/11/2009 5:34 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
7/11/2009 6:07 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

...
Attas and Oversouls are different in that all developing spirits have an oversoul (much like a life data storage system as well an immortal body which can operated autonomously to the projected incarnated "ego" of the overall being.)

Attas, from what I remember are fully developed "christ" type spirits here for the highest level of functioning.

This is the reason so many people can be hypnotized and "regressed" back to their previous lives.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)



Hi Saxon,

So an "Attas" is one that has successfully, uh, merged, reunited, have become, one's "Over Soul" being, that is 'out there somewhere', (like the idea of one's Higher Self, like a future or advanced 'timeless' Self)? like a fragment of the Creator sense?

Seems one can't perceive this Over Soul, but how about the other way? I wonder if our Over Souls either laugh or feel saddened by their 'little guy' experiencing creation somewhere out there, in their little meat suit.

Hypnotism and regression, is that like the idea for one to 'remember' this Over Soul experience?

"Data storage system" is that like a repository of all the experiences, memories, and realizations gathered, in a culmination sort of way, of the throughout lifetime(s) experience or something like that?

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
7/11/2009 6:14 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

You do not feel there are any aspects of 'dormant or unrealized' potention in the DNA? I believe the gist of external DNA tamperings/manipulation (Zacharia S.) is that perhaps some of the information or codes that may aid people to see through manipulations was lost, or the abilities lost through such tamperings...

I do wonder if this is related the DNA experiment "brain farts" (or "silly choice" as stated by another) you mentioned during the tail end of the Atlantis times.

Thank you.


Oh sure, that too. I thought you meant in pure form. The tampering and cutting and splicing is similar to computer programming where a program gets modified by chopping out "loops" while leaving the code there in the program doing nothing at all. All of that is likely part of what we're seeing.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)



Hi Saxon,

Ah gotcha, I was referring to the 'schmoes', myself included, or what was done to them. ;)

But if this is possible/done, doesn't that sort of indicate that one was 'limited' in a sense ("now im half the man i used to be")? I wonder if this means that humanity, in regards to the tampering/cutting/splicing, means our bodies/level of awareness, was more 'capable' in the past or not. That if there could be like 'original bodies', it was more like this Oversoul, or one that is like an Atta here?

Also, do you feel that one's realization, ability to 'connect/reunite' with the divine, or the Creator, can sort of 'override' such tampering?

Kind of like instead of the physical body which dictates the level of awareness and ability, but that the consciousness tells the Genetic, the body, what it can do?

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502821
7/11/2009 6:39 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720725



Hi there,

I have wondered about this idea myself, how one resist 'evil'. Do not think one must 'roll over' and 'take it like a champ'....

However do think that how one does the 'resisting' may ultimately matter.

I would guess the idea is like 'must you burn a village to save it'?

it just seems that when one sees and is moved by a form of 'injustice', or gangsterism, done onto oneself or another, it is natural to want to take "an eye for an eye". Especially wanting to do this in the other that is doing this to you or another.

it's very easily to get really pissed and want to do harm here, but for a while, i feel i had the same weakness, or the same 'evil' or the capacity for it in myself, and do feel that it is more important to master 'that aspect' in oneself, myself, than it is to burn another for this quality.

i hope im making sense here.

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 723701
7/11/2009 10:02 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

I won't give you my phone number and street address either, does that then in your "expert" estimation make me then a double coward? rolleyes

No one wants or has asked for your name or phone number or street address.

Why do you straw-man deceive, distract, evade and avoid for all to see?

Is that part of your pursuit of Truth?


Don't you have someone to "save"? You pathetic Christians are ALL the same. For you it's just OK to be the biggest fucking asshole to someone just because they won't buy your Jesus bullshit.

The one here being TOTALLY transparent here is YOU, showing up to be nothing more than a fucking troll prick so that you can then say later



.......OH LOOK SAXON SAID FUCK.



....SEE SEE, HE REALLY IS OF THE DEVIL.


All of you Christians are SUCH HYPOCRITES, always unable to see such in your own actions.

Now piss of you little Christian prick.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)

Go Saxon....keep showing us all that love that you talk about.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 723701
7/11/2009 10:06 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

What do you think about the Peggy Kane information? While im not in the know of what she likes to share, from the little bit i encountered she seemed to paint a pretty bleak picture of either the "astral" or the afterlife in general.



I have not spent that much time with Peggy Kane and her work. I've had people point me there from time to time when her reversals tended to match what was taking place in the "story" I'm watching. I've seen enough "hits" in their work to be of the opinion that they are on to something. Still, from what I understand of their methods, they first started doing "reverse speech" on TPTW and their puppets to get the REAL story of what was being relayed via public media.

This original usage seems to have morphed into a more general "lie detector test" for EVERYONE. The first method is where I've seen the "hits" to the story as the "reptilians" were relaying information about "story" people that was taking place real time in the story.

The generalized usage of that method seems to be a bit of an abuse of the "technology" as far as I can tell.




She seemed to suggest that alot of people's families face a pretty brutal and harsh life, where in their life they have bullies (outer dominators) that are pretty overt. Or bullies out in the open. Also that family structure is a mess, because everyone is in fear, divided, and openly treated like 'meat'.



The above is a True Statement, but by FAR not a general spirit picture. She is simply relaying the situation of many of the spirit families trapped in this realm. That in no way means the majority of spirits in Creation are stuck in such a mess.



The afterlife, from her account, seemed like a dreadful 'pit experience' (the afterlife is the suck too it seemed). Do you have any idea what she is talking about, and 'where'?

Thank you.




The above is also a True statement in regards to THIS realm. This sad spirit prison has so confused the spirits here that they repeatedly reincarnate here over and over and over with virtually no gain in Heart condition whatsoever. Therefore, for them, indeed the afterlife here is but a vicious cycle of sad life to sad pit experience to again another sad life. Often such a cycle takes a spirit BACKWARD in regards to Heart development, thereby deepening their entrapment here. Such is the reason SO much emphasis here is placed upon MIND development and "success" in terms of wealth and other spiritually useless and damaging endeavors.

The "pit system" of Mother Earth is set forth to prod spirits forward, where each pit reflects the general condition of those gathered there, thereby forcing them to look at themselves through the eyes of others just like themselves. Such drives home the appreciation for those they've met who were more advanced than themselves, the hope being that then they will seek higher spiritual ground.

And too, one has to keep in mind the source of Kane's information, the reptilian collective and the darker human spirit collective of say the "shadowlands pit" or the "time out pit". Were she to tap "The Bosom of Abraham pit", she'd imagine herself to have found "heaven", as many confuse such with Heaven.

The bottom line of any kind of personal level "channeling" here is that a single person generally forms a "vortex" of limited capacity, thereby limiting their "view" to very near this Realm

The forming of a far superior vortex can only be provided by a well tuned and connected circle of between 7 and 21 people, all with Hearts attuned for said purpose. Such a superior vortex of this nature reaches the 8th Heaven and better depending upon the voracity of the group circle.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)

Try turning your computer off for a week and preaching the above message in person at your local police dept. Let us know how it turns out.
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/11/2009 11:37 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Try turning your computer off for a week and preaching the above message in person at your local police dept. Let us know how it turns out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 723701


Try reading and comprehending what I'm saying and you might just realize that I'm the ONLY person EXPLAINING what they're seeing at the local police dept.

Like so many, you read 3 paragraphs and launch into your usual childish insults.

Do grow up, K? hf
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/11/2009 11:39 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Go Saxon....keep showing us all that love that you talk about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 723701


Defending myself against a troll who follows me from thread to thread insulting and threatening me is HARDLY an issue of Love on MY part. The Love issue is that INDEED I DO Love myself, and as well will defend myself against nasty little self serving pricks like yourself.

Can you understand that little man?
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/11/2009 11:41 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720725


All Hegelian Dialect is filled with Truth of varied stolen sorts, your above quote being no exception. I as well can EASILY go to your Hegelian bible and pull out MANY offensive quotes of your so called "god" Lucifer as well, just like so many other threads on this board.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/11/2009 11:51 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Regarding the Peggy K. account, all I would primarily be interested in is the fate of the 'family' I know, we know, here... im sure in the overall picture of creation, there isn't so much suffering in they physical or spiritual or even that 'other plane' of existence.. or something like that..

But the family we know around us, on account of being here... their action's, realization, state of being determines if they experience the gritty gnashing-of-teeth kind of living that Peggy seemed to want to talk about, is that it?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


The part of the family of Creation currently "stuck" here are the descendants of "Isis" and "Ra", and due to that have been stuck in a family feud which has now ravaged this realm for ages. Sadly, the only thing that ultimately would "fix" this problem was the replacement of Ra with his son Horus. Ra repeatedly attempted to overcome his second son Lucifer, the one that he initially joined forces with in the beginning, but to date, has failed every time, thereby showing himself insufficient to the task of "righting" this realm/family and releasing such from the grips of his second son Lucifer/Set.

Recently, Lucifer's kingdom was gutted from the inside via the loss of most of his female "machine" by which he secured his many needed "warrior" bodies. The "Lord of the Rings" symbolizes this reality with the "orks" which were generated from the "Mud".

The "sun replacement" described above is the "fixing" of the problem that Peggy is seeing, and such "fix" is now in progress outside of here, with our 3D realm being the last realm which will be addressed.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/11/2009 11:53 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

.....
And too, one has to keep in mind the source of Kane's information, the reptilian collective and the darker human spirit collective of say the "shadowlands pit" or the "time out pit". Were she to tap "The Bosom of Abraham pit", she'd imagine herself to have found "heaven", as many confuse such with Heaven.
....



Hi Saxon,

There is a place or existence that is attributed to Abraham or, er, 'Abrahamic'?

Im sure you mean Abraham from the Old Testament accounts, yes? From the churches isn't Abraham depicted 'like' Moses? Did Abraham and Moses 'know' the same 'God' you think?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821


Abraham simply means "father of nations", as the name "Abraham's bosom" simply denotes the "pit" where many are kept in waiting of either additional incarnations or "birth" into the immortal realms. Such has several uses.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/12/2009 12:03 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

So an "Attas" is one that has successfully, uh, merged, reunited, have become, one's "Over Soul" being, that is 'out there somewhere', (like the idea of one's Higher Self, like a future or advanced 'timeless' Self)? like a fragment of the Creator sense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821




An Atta is a Theosophical notion having and extended sense to that of an Over Soul. To them, the Atta is a fully realized spirit such as the mythical Jesus or Buddha who has returned for "special service".




Seems one can't perceive this Over Soul, but how about the other way? I wonder if our Over Souls either laugh or feel saddened by their 'little guy' experiencing creation somewhere out there, in their little meat suit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821




One's Over Soul LOVES them, and would NEVER MOCK "themselves". Here is a song detailing such:





Hypnotism and regression, is that like the idea for one to 'remember' this Over Soul experience?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821




Yes, one can "tap" one's over soul memory using such.



"Data storage system" is that like a repository of all the experiences, memories, and realizations gathered, in a culmination sort of way, of the throughout lifetime(s) experience or something like that?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821



Yes, exactly. Such defines a spirit in the eternal realms.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/12/2009 12:11 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Ah gotcha, I was referring to the 'schmoes', myself included, or what was done to them. ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821




You are no "schmoe", you underestimate yourself.



But if this is possible/done, doesn't that sort of indicate that one was 'limited' in a sense ("now im half the man i used to be")?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821




Yes, these bodies are purposely "limited" so as to force the spirits within to focus upon Heart development. Bodily ability in no way defines the desire of the Heart. The Heart operates outside of bodily limitation, and as a matter of fact SHINES within limitation. THAT, is the point.




I wonder if this means that humanity, in regards to the tampering/cutting/splicing, means our bodies/level of awareness, was more 'capable' in the past or not. That if there could be like 'original bodies', it was more like this Oversoul, or one that is like an Atta here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821





The cutting/splicing/tampering was more in the direction of getting MORE out of these purposely limited bodies, not less. The fallen have tried endlessly to "escape" using these mortal bodies as venues to such.





Also, do you feel that one's realization, ability to 'connect/reunite' with the divine, or the Creator, can sort of 'override' such tampering?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821





That's the point, the limitation is like the weight on the barbell, not the other way around.




Kind of like instead of the physical body which dictates the level of awareness and ability, but that the consciousness tells the Genetic, the body, what it can do?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821




Yes, the spirit is FAR more powerful than the DNA body, not visa/versa as so many misconstrue. The spirit DRIVES the DNA more so than the other way around.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 630722
7/12/2009 1:27 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

what you call spirit is the em waves
it is not spirit, but its now self-aware in a sense or some few of them of the hole 'em subconscious work in global ssystem
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 630722
7/12/2009 1:28 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

you are deluded fox mind
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720725
7/12/2009 1:51 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.

Thank you.


All Hegelian Dialect is filled with Truth of varied stolen sorts, your above quote being no exception. I as well can EASILY go to your Hegelian bible and pull out MANY offensive quotes of your so called "god" Lucifer as well, just like so many other threads on this board.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)

Okay, but..

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 724197
7/12/2009 11:38 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

No, the REAL answer is this:

The is no god other than consciousness. This is all a dreamlike reality - and suffering is just a nightmare. It all disappears when we wake up.

Stop your childish notions of god/good and evil/judgments and religion.

Explore the nature of consciousness and you will have ALL of your answers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 696498

peace
Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/12/2009 1:27 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.

Thank you.


All Hegelian Dialect is filled with Truth of varied stolen sorts, your above quote being no exception. I as well can EASILY go to your Hegelian bible and pull out MANY offensive quotes of your so called "god" Lucifer as well, just like so many other threads on this board.

Okay, but..

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720725


There is no "but", the simple FACT is that "evil" ALWAYS tells the Truth in metered amounts to then twist such to a big LIE with just the right amount of untruths.

Therefore, ALL Luciferian books and religions have Truth within as such is a REQUIREMENT of LYING.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720725
7/12/2009 2:44 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.

Thank you.


All Hegelian Dialect is filled with Truth of varied stolen sorts, your above quote being no exception. I as well can EASILY go to your Hegelian bible and pull out MANY offensive quotes of your so called "god" Lucifer as well, just like so many other threads on this board.

Okay, but..

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.



There is no "but", the simple FACT is that "evil" ALWAYS tells the Truth in metered amounts to then twist such to a big LIE with just the right amount of untruths.

Therefore, ALL Luciferian books and religions have Truth within as such is a REQUIREMENT of LYING.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)

So,
is the statement "Resist evil and it will flee."
a good or evil statement?
Is it truthful or is it a lie?
If it is a lie... what is the truth?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/13/2009 4:11 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

When asked earlier,"how one can come to Love oneself." you replied the Chakra system...


what i know about chakras stuff and you just talking about the lower four chakras does meld with the idea that when you get the 'lower stuff resolved' (wordly stuff, survival stuff, self worth stuff) you can finally 'hear/understand' the Heart. It seems only at this point is one sort of 'ready' to delving up, maybe activating, or realizing the higher tiered chakras...

alot like the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs structure spoken about in psychology... which has many tiers, is pyramid in shape, with the bottom being survival needs, leading to security, to self esteem needs, and culminating at the top "Self Actualization" needs...

described in this hierarchy is that one is not in a state of being for highers tiers (or want to) unless the lower tiers at some point below are met in the being.

meaning that folks won't likely even seek or want love, meaning, Self Actualization needs if one needs/lacks immediate needs like food/water/shelter - survival needs.

[link to deptorg.knox.edu]


that makes sense to me... but in regards for one to love oneself, is there anything else, like forgiveness?

can you share you think about forgiveness? it seems that the big 'win' of the really old couple Horus and Hathor reuniting would seem to need this forgiveness even?

Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/13/2009 4:25 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

An Atta is a Theosophical notion having and extended sense to that of an Over Soul. To them, the Atta is a fully realized spirit such as the mythical Jesus or Buddha who has returned for "special service".
.....
 Quoting: Saxon (777)



Hi Saxon,

Can you tell me what you think in regards to the following sayings, who may have said them, and if the message is Truthful? Both are attributed to the above two people you mentioned (but did not seem to stressed so much in their respective religions, to me anyway).


"[I tell you Truly/Verily that] All these things I do, you can do as well and more." - 'a Jesus'

and

"There has been many Buddhas before me, and there will be many more after me." - 'a Buddha'


Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/13/2009 4:35 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

An Atta is a Theosophical notion having and extended sense to that of an Over Soul. To them, the Atta is a fully realized spirit such as the mythical Jesus or Buddha who has returned for "special service".
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Hi Saxon,

Can you tell me what you think in regards to the following sayings, who may have said them, and if the message is Truthful? Both are attributed to the above two people you mentioned (but did not seem to stressed so much in their respective religions, to me anyway).


"[I tell you Truly/Verily that] All these things I do, you can do as well and more." - 'a Jesus'

and

"There has been many Buddhas before me, and there will be many more after me." - 'a Buddha'


Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


Hi Saxon,

Oh and can you explain more what is "special service"?

So there were beings that we're among us (or one of us rose up to such a 'state of being' at some point in our history that performed a service that was 'special' for humankind/spirits developing here?

The only kind of service that would seem 'special' for me would be the 'enlightening' kind that helps to 'uplift', and do feel there were real tough times in the past when these kinds of messages were really very sorely needed.

To know there were such beings would be an inspiration, knowing that such existed even...that it can be done.

if messages like these helps people to help themselves for a change as to offer a real meaningful way... it seems to make sense for 'bad guys' to want to either 'erase' all knowledge of such beings, or examples, (like shove down the memory hole) or co-opt it as their own (become the 'officially licensed representative'), but with their own 'interpretation/explaination' of such a being or message?

it still would be nice to know such beings existed.

Thank you.
Saxon (777)
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7/13/2009 12:47 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.

Thank you.


All Hegelian Dialect is filled with Truth of varied stolen sorts, your above quote being no exception. I as well can EASILY go to your Hegelian bible and pull out MANY offensive quotes of your so called "god" Lucifer as well, just like so many other threads on this board.

Okay, but..

Please explain how "Resist evil and it will flee." is Luciferian.



There is no "but", the simple FACT is that "evil" ALWAYS tells the Truth in metered amounts to then twist such to a big LIE with just the right amount of untruths.

Therefore, ALL Luciferian books and religions have Truth within as such is a REQUIREMENT of LYING.

So,
is the statement "Resist evil and it will flee."
a good or evil statement?
Is it truthful or is it a lie?
If it is a lie... what is the truth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720725


The Truth is that picture which reflects the being of our Creator in concert with His/Her Kingdom. Indeed, resisting evil sends them on their way, so, therefore evil then drapes itself in the camouflage of "holiness and goodness", tricking the many into never resisting its advance.

Why do you think the mantra of Christianity is to "open" one's Heart to Jesus/Lucifer/Set? In such ways does evil walk among the many totally undetected and WELCOMED.
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Saxon (777)
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7/13/2009 1:35 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

Hi Saxon,

When asked earlier,"how one can come to Love oneself." you replied the Chakra system...


what i know about chakras stuff and you just talking about the lower four chakras does meld with the idea that when you get the 'lower stuff resolved' (wordly stuff, survival stuff, self worth stuff) you can finally 'hear/understand' the Heart. It seems only at this point is one sort of 'ready' to delving up, maybe activating, or realizing the higher tiered chakras...

alot like the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs structure spoken about in psychology... which has many tiers, is pyramid in shape, with the bottom being survival needs, leading to security, to self esteem needs, and culminating at the top "Self Actualization" needs...

described in this hierarchy is that one is not in a state of being for highers tiers (or want to) unless the lower tiers at some point below are met in the being.

meaning that folks won't likely even seek or want love, meaning, Self Actualization needs if one needs/lacks immediate needs like food/water/shelter - survival needs.

[link to deptorg.knox.edu]


that makes sense to me... but in regards for one to love oneself, is there anything else, like forgiveness?

can you share you think about forgiveness? it seems that the big 'win' of the really old couple Horus and Hathor reuniting would seem to need this forgiveness even?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


Yes, very good integrations with other teachings.

Forgiveness is the forge of Real Love. As this realm is a forge unto general spirit development, Real Love manifests in the fires of forgiveness. The first step of forgiveness is that found in one's self, forged in the Hearts of those one wronged.

The second step then reaches first to one's Twin Flame and then thirdly those beyond. Horus and Hathor are an excellent example couple due the extremeness of the problem that has grown between them over the ages as well her position within the current rebellion.

In that way they are THE example of True Forgiveness and Repentance, something meant to be "mimicked" far a wide in the coming age where the "standard" of Real Love has now jumped to the next level.

Last Edited by Saxon (777) on 7/13/2009 at 1:37 PM
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Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/13/2009 1:36 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL AnswerQuote

An Atta is a Theosophical notion having and extended sense to that of an Over Soul. To them, the Atta is a fully realized spirit such as the mythical Jesus or Buddha who has returned for "special service".
.....



Hi Saxon,

Can you tell me what you think in regards to the following sayings, who may have said them, and if the message is Truthful? Both are attributed to the above two people you mentioned (but did not seem to stressed so much in their respective religions, to me anyway).


"[I tell you Truly/Verily that] All these things I do, you can do as well and more." - 'a Jesus'

and

"There has been many Buddhas before me, and there will be many more after me." - 'a Buddha'


Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997



Both are saying the same thing in essence. Notice then how both sayings then are negated with the notions of how each is the "only son of God"?

Needless to say, the guy saying the first quote had never "walked on water" and "turned water to wine". That was all added after the fact.

Last Edited by Saxon (777) on 7/13/2009 at 1:41 PM
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