Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer

God does not allow suffering. I do.

The supreme creator of the ALL. You Mother/father God allows all things to participate in the creation. This part of the galaxy was lost to the dark side long ago. We have had benevolent galactics help us at times, but the dark side has been in control from the shadows.

It is up to us to win back our freedom first through self realization and then through service to others with a loving heart. This wolrd will shift dimensions soon and lower vibrating people (the dark ones) will not be able to live in it.

They know this, but follishly think they can keep you in debt and fighting wars to prevent this upliftment. Do not worry about the dark as the forces of light will win this battle.

The dark helped this universe evolve faster, but now it is time for them to leave the stage. Wake up and vote new parties and faces into government and embrace the divine feminine.

We all agreed to be here at this time and I know the journey was long. Focus on the world you want now as you all will soon be co-creators. You are all God with a small g. All is one.

Hi, Saxon. Thank-you for your insights. I have come to a conclusion very similar to yours and I am just curious about how you fit some things into this.

In your theory/belief you are talking about the lives of human beings. How do you integrate the rest of creation into it?

In other words what is the role of the animals/plants, etc. in this lesson. Are they less than the human being in the overall scheme of things? Are they equal to the human being? Are they more than the human being?

I ask because it sometimes seem that the human mind/ego sometimes thinks that it is the only thing of importance.

TIA.


That's a good question, and the only answer I've come across that seems to give that much satisfaction is that the "stage" of this world is a "collective consciousness" of Mother Earth, and that that part of Life is a type of "pool" of Hers which feeds the "stage" here. Now, how that flows into our spirit situation I do not know, as such appears to be an internal working of our Creator.

I have seen animals in Heaven and those who Love myself and others appear totally happy there. Also, it appears that our Loving our animals tends to hold that particular spirit from simply going back into the general pool.

As for that part of the Creation being "less" than the children of God, I would say that falls under the "who is the least in the Kingdom" rule. That's where people get all of this totally backward in that the "greatest" in the Kingdom is actually considered to be the "least" here. Those having the greater power in the Kingdom live in service to the least.

So, who is greater, the grass growing in the field, or the "god/goddess" responsible for seeing that all its needs are cared for?

The human mind/ego may think itself the only thing there is when immature. The mature mind/ego accepts the rest of creation in compassion and respect.

Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.


As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.

As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.

All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.

Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.

In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.

Really, Saxon ... regarding your comments about the Bible being authored by the workers of darkness/whatever it was you said ...

Do you really think that the plans of the enemy could EVER have victory over the hand of the Divine?


On second thought, I apparently need to address this more.

Whoever said allowing Lucifer to be king here was his having "victory" over the hand of the Divine?

So, how about the Quaran, the Kolbrin and a host of other books claiming to be everything that your Bible claims, are they VICTORY over your "divine"?

Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too. There are NO "pure" books of Truth here, NONE however much YOU choose to live in such a silly la la land. The only reason you claim what you do concerning the Bible is that you've done precious little in Truly checking its credentials other than having "faith", aka, believing what your mommy and daddy told you was True.

Exactly WHAT do you believe "overcoming the Beast" entails, picking out the right Bible from the bookstore?



Not happening, whether you want to believe it or not.


It most certainly DID happen, and you've bought the Jewish LIE hook line and sinker like a good little "goyim" girl. No wonder they laugh at people like you behind your back, SO gullible.



The Word of God is more powerful than any two-edged sword and able to cut through the b.s./fat to the truth/meat of the matter - - Word of God about the WORD, aka The Holy Bible (minus the b.s. part).



That's truly laughable to someone like myself who TRULY knows the Truth concerning that Rabbinical Mystic Occult piece of filth you tote around for thumpin rights.



I believe that the Bible was written on multiple levels, inspired by The Most High, and that most of us as humans, are not even comprehending level one.


Actually, the only part of the bible worth looking into is the ancient Hebrew, but the English translations were made to keep the real meaning hidden NOT to lay the Truth in your lap.


And I believe all this - - regardless of any interference by the principalities and powers and the rulers of the darkness of this age!

They are no power against the Almighty.



You can believe what you like, but such does NOT make it True. Your "belief" does NOT make Truth.

there is no hell, or rapture or jesus .

christians are all brainwashed

I got called away before I could read your answer but I am back now (probably with a different id number). I really appreciate this thread and you for sharing all of this with us.

It has been many years since I veered away from existing organized religions. I have always felt that the major religions have part of it right but that none of them had all of it right. I also felt that some do more harm than good.

But even though I have pondered all of these things for a long time there were still many questions left unanswered. I guess the quest for a truth will always be in a state of evolution. Some things are difficult to prove to yourself with just logic. Some things are beyond our logic and must be felt instead.

I have learned much though from your insights and I truly look forward to learning more from you.

Thank-you, Saxon.

Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.


As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.

As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.

All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.

Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.

In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.

I disagree (that is not too abusive is it?)


It's not enough to simply say you disagree, you must state WHY you disagree.

We have STANDARDS to keep up here!!

:nikstory: Here is one of my favorite Chick tracts. It is the story of how Jesus Christ ordered the Prophet Elijah to slaughter the 850 false priests of Baal. Firestarter?...

[link to www.chick.com]

REINCARNATION IS A LIE

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The Book of Isaiah (written approx. 730 B.C.; see Wikepedia) Chp 53 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no stately form or splendor; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hide, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And they made His grave with the wicked--but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand, He shall see the travail of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (This prophecy was written approx. 730 years before Christ came into this world and even unbelieving historians and scientists will confirm this). And the life of Christ is well documented, including accounts by Roman historians.

Isaiah 53

(1) Who will faithfully foster My doctrine for the women? (Divine Law, that governing the relationship between the eternally mated) From among those of the charge (those of the charge, the original “watchers” and above who originally tended this the “vineyard” the place where new spirits are rotated to “mature”) , who, of the strength of the Self Existent One, will discover and ascend up in My presence as the tender plant that was rooted in the parched desert (desert, the result of the “rebellion” in which the eternally mated “caught fire” and ultimately spread their “doctrine” to the nations of their charge) among the nations? Without beautiful form nor magnificence he will appear and advise. Without his beautiful appearance that they lust after, they will despise his frailty. This extant man (extant beings are those of the Kingdom outside of this place, they are the “eternals”) is an extant man of pain and

(3) affliction, he is a familiar friend of his kinsfolk who knows grief and malady. They will hide their faces because they despise him. Those who cunningly plotted without faithfulness are the women who exacted his malady and burdened him with sorrow, those of ourselves who cunningly plotted to strike this Magistrate (those “gods” of the Kingdom, those in charge of the “vineyard”) with affliction.

(5) She, herself, his own, bored him to dissolution (bored to dissolution, i.e. disregarded the “wall” of separation for their mated covenant of eternity) because of the rebellion. She crushed him with her perversity. The doctrine of prosperity (Lucifer’s version of creation) among those having his charge bound him with the wounds of

(6) their giants (those Nephilim halfbreed “great men”) of the dead. All of My flock (His Magistrates of the Kingdom) has been seduced, turning My extant men to their ways and customs. (Lucifer’s religion of superiority of body and mind) I, The Self Existent One, have made intercession between them for their perversity of all of those exacting their distress by lying with these women who now look down on the submitting of themselves and opening not their skirts. They have been carried away in pomp as ewes to be butchered for their meat. These ewes journeyed at the prospect as purposed to be destroyed by their enemies. From their bonds and bounds they have broken forth without their skirts to

(8) mingle themselves among My ruling Magistrates (hey, all women desire the greatest men) because they have determined this their “privilege”…..that….”whoever they announce will commune with them in their dwelling because we have decreed the dividing from among the nations”. (decided that flesh nations were theirs for the taking) They are likened unto a company of wild beasts. Because of this rebellion, My flock is now inflicted with spots. (part “angelic, part human flesh)

(9) I will cast them into the burying places among the wicked, (the “pit”) among those of means for whom they accumulated in Hades. (no kidding, they bore children for those condemned to the pit) Because these committed these acts, when none had done them violence, nor deceived them for the assent of their skirts, I, The Self Existent One, will take pleasure in crushing them with the afflictions that they had determined for their appointed ones. (appointed ones, those He creates as eternally mated as only He could do) In the desolation of their punishment, they will see the fruitfulness of My children during their drawn out lengthy suffering season and those who delighted in Me, The Self Existent One, will flow mightily over them in power. They will see this so that the pain and sorrow of their hearts will be satisfied with the knowledge that My just bond servants have been given justice. (His justice ultimately is focused on those who crushed their own “soul mates”, heartlessly) The mighty plenteous princes of these women will be

(12) burdened for their perversity. (Those these “whores” ran to because they perceived them to be “greater”) Rightly, I will take away the portion of these plenteous princes who divided My apportionments with their smooth flattery and preying with their great strength. In the bottom beneath, for as much, I will spread out their naked bodies in Hades and these women will be numbered among them who broke away in the rebellion. They will bear the penalty of the grievous crimes of these plenteous princes that they ran to meet and lay with when they broke away during the rebellion.

Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.


As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.

As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.

All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.

Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.

In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.

I disagree (that is not too abusive is it?)


It's not enough to simply say you disagree, you must state WHY you disagree.

We have STANDARDS to keep up here!!

If I follow your advice I will be banished again. I just got off banishment and would prefer to wait another week or so to receive another. Besides, it gives me a good feel for what it is like to live various other countries in the world.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So when Lucifer, I mean Jesus died on the cross and took all of the sins of the world what was his judgement?

Jesus was a sinner plain and simple and if you can't see the deception then you are truly deceived.


Jesus didn't die on the cross, as myths do not die. Nor do myths commit sin.

The Book of Isaiah (written approx. 730 B.C.; see Wikepedia) Chp 53 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no stately form or splendor; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hide, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And they made His grave with the wicked--but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand, He shall see the travail of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (This prophecy was written approx. 730 years before Christ came into this world and even unbelieving historians and scientists will confirm this). And the life of Christ is well documented, including accounts by Roman historians.


Well now, I suppose that depends upon whose interpretation you care to listen to now then doesn't it?

As for me, I prefer MY interpretation.


Isaiah 53

(1) Who will faithfully foster My doctrine for the women? (Divine Law, that governing the relationship between the eternally mated) From among those of the charge (those of the charge, the original “watchers” and above who originally tended this the “vineyard” the place where new spirits are rotated to “mature”) , who, of the strength of the Self Existent One, will discover and ascend up in My presence as the tender plant that was rooted in the parched desert (desert, the result of the “rebellion” in which the eternally mated “caught fire” and ultimately spread their “doctrine” to the nations of their charge) among the nations? Without beautiful form nor magnificence he will appear and advise. Without his beautiful appearance that they lust after, they will despise his frailty. This extant man (extant beings are those of the Kingdom outside of this place, they are the “eternals”) is an extant man of pain and

(3) affliction, he is a familiar friend of his kinsfolk who knows grief and malady. They will hide their faces because they despise him. Those who cunningly plotted without faithfulness are the women who exacted his malady and burdened him with sorrow, those of ourselves who cunningly plotted to strike this Magistrate (those “gods” of the Kingdom, those in charge of the “vineyard”) with affliction.

(5) She, herself, his own, bored him to dissolution (bored to dissolution, i.e. disregarded the “wall” of separation for their mated covenant of eternity) because of the rebellion. She crushed him with her perversity. The doctrine of prosperity (Lucifer’s version of creation) among those having his charge bound him with the wounds of

(6) their giants (those Nephilim halfbreed “great men”) of the dead. All of My flock (His Magistrates of the Kingdom) has been seduced, turning My extant men to their ways and customs. (Lucifer’s religion of superiority of body and mind) I, The Self Existent One, have made intercession between them for their perversity of all of those exacting their distress by lying with these women who now look down on the submitting of themselves and opening not their skirts. They have been carried away in pomp as ewes to be butchered for their meat. These ewes journeyed at the prospect as purposed to be destroyed by their enemies. From their bonds and bounds they have broken forth without their skirts to

(8) mingle themselves among My ruling Magistrates (hey, all women desire the greatest men) because they have determined this their “privilege”…..that….”whoever they announce will commune with them in their dwelling because we have decreed the dividing from among the nations”. (decided that flesh nations were theirs for the taking) They are likened unto a company of wild beasts. Because of this rebellion, My flock is now inflicted with spots. (part “angelic, part human flesh)

(9) I will cast them into the burying places among the wicked, (the “pit”) among those of means for whom they accumulated in Hades. (no kidding, they bore children for those condemned to the pit) Because these committed these acts, when none had done them violence, nor deceived them for the assent of their skirts, I, The Self Existent One, will take pleasure in crushing them with the afflictions that they had determined for their appointed ones. (appointed ones, those He creates as eternally mated as only He could do) In the desolation of their punishment, they will see the fruitfulness of My children during their drawn out lengthy suffering season and those who delighted in Me, The Self Existent One, will flow mightily over them in power. They will see this so that the pain and sorrow of their hearts will be satisfied with the knowledge that My just bond servants have been given justice. (His justice ultimately is focused on those who crushed their own “soul mates”, heartlessly) The mighty plenteous princes of these women will be

(12) burdened for their perversity. (Those these “whores” ran to because they perceived them to be “greater”) Rightly, I will take away the portion of these plenteous princes who divided My apportionments with their smooth flattery and preying with their great strength. In the bottom beneath, for as much, I will spread out their naked bodies in Hades and these women will be numbered among them who broke away in the rebellion. They will bear the penalty of the grievous crimes of these plenteous princes that they ran to meet and lay with when they broke away during the rebellion.

while infected by loads of silly religious ideas, buddhism's got it right at its core:

# All is suffering.
# Suffering is caused by desire/attachment.
# If one can eliminate desire/attachment, one can eliminate suffering.


I have trouble trying to decide which religion is more ridiculous at times, as the above teachings are patently false just like the silly notions of "dying to self" of the Luciferian master Paul of Tarsus.

Our Creator has NO interest in little mindless "selfless" "love droids". Your ego and your self is to be INTEGRATED into your being, not chopped out and thrown on a fire.

But of course, what would you expect to hear from the Luciferian masters here eh?

I never heard of this Creator "OTOH"...there is only one God,..the God that created the Universe and all it contains...and His Son Jesus Christ the redeemer of us all.


Oh, Creator On The Other Hand is the real Creator unlike the stand alone "father" you've been lied to concerning.

If this creation doesn't point out the fallacy of that lopsided notion, then nothing will, as EVERYTHING which lives is a product of BOTH male AND female, and such is True of our Creator as well since such is the very foundation of Love itself.

Gender isn't just some fanciful good feeling good time temporary mortal design, it spans the Heavens right up into the throneS of BOTH our Mother AND Father Creator.

So, when you find anything worth talking about that's alive which is outside of this design, give us a call.


Tell me, how you became to know the god you proclaim and the veracity of it?. What makes you think what you know is truth and the others a falacy?

Please explain


Actually, a good part of the kingdom picture I know I originally saw when I spent thousands of hours re-translating the ancient Hebrew back in the day. The Psalms are the key to understanding the symbolics of the other books.

But honestly, I could write multiple books going over where I've been and how I've arrived at the conclusions I have. In any regard how I got here is not nearly as important as WHERE I am, a position that just happens to EASILY answer ALL the so called "hard" questions.

That's a VERY good indication that I've "got it right".

Here is one of my favorite Chick tracts. It is the story of how Jesus Christ ordered the Prophet Elijah to slaughter the 850 false priests of Baal. Firestarter?...

[link to www.chick.com]

REINCARNATION IS A LIE

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


You truly are one sick cookie. I pity your future children.

"Let 'US' make man in our image" ... both male and female parts in the original Hebrew/Genesis account of creation ... there's tons of things that are going to blow people away when they find out some of the truths about the unknown.


Eyes have not seen and ears have not heard ...


New Day's coming!


"Us" means "Elohim" the same that was supposedly quoted by the mythical Jesus when he said, "Have I not told you that YE are gods (Elohim)".

The Elohim were the nonfallen watchers of Genesis. Should you care to see a more reasonable translation of Genesis, go here, free of charge compliments of Saxon:

[link to z14.invisionfree.com]


And that male and female basis of Creation is continued all the way to the very "interface" of our Creator, Mother Earth and Father Heaven.