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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/14/2009 2:40 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
The part of the family of Creation currently "stuck" here are the descendants of "Isis" and "Ra", and due to that have been stuck in a family feud which has now ravaged this realm for ages. Sadly, the only thing that ultimately would "fix" this problem was the replacement of Ra with his son Horus. Ra repeatedly attempted to overcome his second son Lucifer, the one that he initially joined forces with in the beginning, but to date, has failed every time, thereby showing himself insufficient to the task of "righting" this realm/family and releasing such from the grips of his second son Lucifer/Set.
Recently, Lucifer's kingdom was gutted from the inside via the loss of most of his female "machine" by which he secured his many needed "warrior" bodies. The "Lord of the Rings" symbolizes this reality with the "orks" which were generated from the "Mud".
The "sun replacement" described above is the "fixing" of the problem that Peggy is seeing, and such "fix" is now in progress outside of here, with our 3D realm being the last realm which will be addressed. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Isis and Ra, is that like the Cronus or Rhea, Father sky mother moon kinds of stuff? even sounds like Anu who i believe was the father of enki and enlil from Sumerian lore... but it seemed both brothers weren't really into the unconditional love kinds of things, but rather the fruits gained from the values of the fallen kingdom it seemed.
in what ways or forms did Ra try to correct things?
in regards to the Lords of the Rings reference.. it sounds alot like the Uruk-hai.. those big brutes born out of the pits or something like that..
can you provide more details in regards to the female war machine production system? also what are the "warrior" bodies (poor wordchoice - that's no warrior but more a gangsta) and what kinds of souls usually inhabit those bodies?
you are saying that Peggy K. said that the big win with the power couple is starting to 'correct' stuff on higher planes of existence? why didn't you describe it as 'Son' replacement, and used "sun" instead?
Thank you. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 2:42 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
...
it feels that just by being here, we are all "prodigal Sons" in a sense, until we learn how to return to the Father.
Thank you.
heck, or if people even want to return back to our "Father", closer to home, in a sense...
looking at it from my own eyes, or from my own perspective, what i see 'out there' does not seem to see any 'value' in this..
just doing what one was told, what our parents were told, you get the gist... when you look at our history and the state of the world now, chocked full of suffering, clearly something has not changed.. we, all of us, may be ready to get our understanding, 'get our Learn on', towards higher and greater things.
whichever what mystical sources or ideas one looks at, it pretty much states that on one's journey, only oneself can take take that journey. to realize things for oneself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
The "Value" in this is INFINITE, and GREATLY valued by our Creator. Such will stabilize "Their" Kingdom FOREVER.
That's QUITE valuable from where I'm sitting. 
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/14/2009 2:43 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
"Data storage system" is that like a repository of all the experiences, memories, and realizations gathered, in a culmination sort of way, of the throughout lifetime(s) experience or something like that?
Thank you.
Yes, exactly. Such defines a spirit in the eternal realms. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Is this like the "Akashic Records(sp?" described from many "metaphysical" leaning sources? also described as the "Book of Life" as well, and from certain mystical sources is described as a 'higher level of awareness level of the mind'.
can one access such information, or download it? hmm, would it be sort of like 'cheating' though?
Thank you. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 2:44 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John2:22
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1John4:3
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2John1:7 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720725
Yes, and the parroting "useful idiots" such as yourself are the GREATEST "deceivers" of ALL TIME!!
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720725
7/14/2009 2:45 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
yourself GREATEST of ALL TIME!! Quoting: Saxon (777) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/14/2009 2:48 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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The cutting/splicing/tampering was more in the direction of getting MORE out of these purposely limited bodies, not less. The fallen have tried endlessly to "escape" using these mortal bodies as venues to such.
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Yes, the spirit is FAR more powerful than the DNA body, not visa/versa as so many misconstrue. The spirit DRIVES the DNA more so than the other way around. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
can you provide more information regarding the attempts of "escape" by the fallen? by that description it seems they can't get past something. i wonder if the fellas and the sisters innately possess something that does allow us to go beyond where they cannot.
and sooo, i wonder if there are any attempts to sow and educate in 'misconstrue-ness', and make damn sure the spirit does not drive the "DNA"...
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/14/2009 2:50 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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The second step then reaches first to one's Twin Flame and then thirdly those beyond. Horus and Hathor are an excellent example couple due the extremeness of the problem that has grown between them over the ages as well her position within the current rebellion.
In that way they are THE example of True Forgiveness and Repentance, something meant to be "mimicked" far a wide in the coming age where the "standard" of Real Love has now jumped to the next level. Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
The "Extremity" of bitterness between whatever happened between the 'given to each other' power couple.... what happened? is it like the same stuff we ourselves seem to go through, like the same kinds of dramas that people can see from shows like the Jerry Springer Show - kinds of problems?
Thank you. |
| Mark
User ID: 723223
7/14/2009 2:55 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Your first post on this thread, GOLDEN. Just don't let those that do not agree get the best of you.
"The truth will set us free, but first it will piss us off." |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 2:58 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Your first post on this thread, GOLDEN. Just don't let those that do not agree get the best of you. Quoting: Mark
Will they get the "best" of those reading? 
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/14/2009 2:59 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Isis and Ra, is that like the Cronus or Rhea, Father sky mother moon kinds of stuff? even sounds like Anu who i believe was the father of enki and enlil from Sumerian lore... but it seemed both brothers weren't really into the unconditional love kinds of things, but rather the fruits gained from the values of the fallen kingdom it seemed.
in what ways or forms did Ra try to correct things?
in regards to the Lords of the Rings reference.. it sounds alot like the Uruk-hai.. those big brutes born out of the pits or something like that..
can you provide more details in regards to the female war machine production system? also what are the "warrior" bodies (poor wordchoice - that's no warrior but more a gangsta) and what kinds of souls usually inhabit those bodies?
you are saying that Peggy K. said that the big win with the power couple is starting to 'correct' stuff on higher planes of existence? why didn't you describe it as 'Son' replacement, and used "sun" instead?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Sorry, i mean to say Father sky and mother earth kinds of mythological sources. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/14/2009 3:00 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Sorry, i mean to say Father sky and mother earth kinds of mythological sources. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
errr, Father sky and Mother earth. ;) |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 3:02 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Sorry, i mean to say Father sky and mother earth kinds of mythological sources.
errr, Father sky and Mother earth. ;) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Back in the morning for more "fun".
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| 9teen.47™ 
Time is short.
User ID: 725210
7/14/2009 4:10 AM
 | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
REINCARNATION IS A LIE
Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. Make no mistake about it you have one life and after this The Judgement. The Trap...
[link to www.chick.com]
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobaccos worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702997
7/14/2009 4:45 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
"..These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.. " - John 11:11
'Awaking' friends from 'sleep'. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 725438
7/14/2009 11:32 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
how do you know if it isn't MORE screwed up "out there" ?
somehow, i do not believe that the grass is greener on the other side.
count your blessings.
Believe what you like, it's your "Right".
However, it is not your right to insult me with your "count your blessings" cheap shot. Quoting: Saxon (777)
your words: "screwed up fallen sector"
is what prompted my opinion.
ya don't know what ya have until ya lose it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 725438
7/14/2009 11:38 AM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
...
it feels that just by being here, we are all "prodigal Sons" in a sense, until we learn how to return to the Father.
Thank you.
heck, or if people even want to return back to our "Father", closer to home, in a sense...
looking at it from my own eyes, or from my own perspective, what i see 'out there' does not seem to see any 'value' in this..
just doing what one was told, what our parents were told, you get the gist... when you look at our history and the state of the world now, chocked full of suffering, clearly something has not changed.. we, all of us, may be ready to get our understanding, 'get our Learn on', towards higher and greater things.
whichever what mystical sources or ideas one looks at, it pretty much states that on one's journey, only oneself can take take that journey. to realize things for oneself.
The "Value" in this is INFINITE, and GREATLY valued by our Creator. Such will stabilize "Their" Kingdom FOREVER.
That's QUITE valuable from where I'm sitting.
how the Heck do YOU KNOW what the Creator/Source VALUES ??
maybe our "creator" LIKES blood and war !!!!!!!!!!!
we only 'know' what each one of us experiences.
even then, perception is changable.
it just gets all tangeld up as we weave our way thru life.
gathering opinions along the way.
ideas.
IDEAS.
 |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 12:26 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
Isis and Ra, is that like the Cronus or Rhea, Father sky mother moon kinds of stuff? even sounds like Anu who i believe was the father of enki and enlil from Sumerian lore... but it seemed both brothers weren't really into the unconditional love kinds of things, but rather the fruits gained from the values of the fallen kingdom it seemed.
in what ways or forms did Ra try to correct things? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
In the beginning, the "gods/goddesses" suffered from severe immaturity, that which left them defenseless against the newer ways crafted by Lucifer. And yeah, the same stories have been repeated down through the ages by as many different peoples, hence all the varied names and circumstances.
Ra repeatedly attempted to reincarnate into this realm hoping to both turn the system away from his second son Lucifer/Set as well as reunite with his original wife Isis. He has succeeded in neither.
in regards to the Lords of the Rings reference.. it sounds alot like the Uruk-hai.. those big brutes born out of the pits or something like that.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
That is likely so as that "key" to the "pit" bears bodies solely for the purposes of letting spirits loose from the pit who have no business being incarnate yet. Orks are good symbolic showing of that notion.
can you provide more details in regards to the female war machine production system? also what are the "warrior" bodies (poor wordchoice - that's no warrior but more a gangsta) and what kinds of souls usually inhabit those bodies? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
The female war machine is the gathering and impregnating of women solely for the purposes of garnering bodies to fuel the efforts of rebellion. The higher ranked "white" reptilians are good representations of the depraved depths to which the fallen female collective has fallen.
Primary warrior bodies are the reptilian hordes, made only as the "shield" to the fallen. They are bodily superior in every way to the "weaker" varied humanoid body forms for this reason. However, their total lacking of Heart ability, the primary reason bodies exist, makes that body form a "detestable" type according to our Creator.
you are saying that Peggy K. said that the big win with the power couple is starting to 'correct' stuff on higher planes of existence? why didn't you describe it as 'Son' replacement, and used "sun" instead?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
She did? That's news to me. I don't keep up with her too much. However, that is correct regarding the "power couple". Son and Sun are used interchangeably due the reflection as the physical Sun in the 3D realm.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 12:32 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
"Data storage system" is that like a repository of all the experiences, memories, and realizations gathered, in a culmination sort of way, of the throughout lifetime(s) experience or something like that?
Thank you.
Yes, exactly. Such defines a spirit in the eternal realms.
Hi Saxon,
Is this like the "Akashic Records(sp?" described from many "metaphysical" leaning sources? also described as the "Book of Life" as well, and from certain mystical sources is described as a 'higher level of awareness level of the mind'.
can one access such information, or download it? hmm, would it be sort of like 'cheating' though?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Actually, from what I understand, the "Akashic Records" are Lucifer's data collection systems. If you'll notice, these records exist only up to and as high as the 7th Heaven, the highest dimension in which Lucifer is allowed.
Therefore, one must seek the help of special mediums if they wish access to Lucifer's library of spiritual tom foolery.
Each person's "Over Soul" is a much different affair, and the more advanced "Attas" are said to have direct access to such to varying degrees. The information allowed is commiserate with the need of the spirit in accordance to his/her mission.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 12:38 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Hi Saxon,
can you provide more information regarding the attempts of "escape" by the fallen? by that description it seems they can't get past something. i wonder if the fellas and the sisters innately possess something that does allow us to go beyond where they cannot.
and sooo, i wonder if there are any attempts to sow and educate in 'misconstrue-ness', and make damn sure the spirit does not drive the "DNA"...
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Apparently, around 2000 years ago, additional "blocking" was put into this realm to make damn sure that none of the fallen angel types were able to make their way to the other 7 galaxies of Creation. I'm not sure as to why that time frame is there with possibly the one explanation that the hoped success of some Attas they put in at that time were FAR less successful than hoped.
In any regard, ever since, both Lucifer and Satan, have been working non stop to take down that block. Even the greys report as much.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 12:45 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
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The second step then reaches first to one's Twin Flame and then thirdly those beyond. Horus and Hathor are an excellent example couple due the extremeness of the problem that has grown between them over the ages as well her position within the current rebellion.
In that way they are THE example of True Forgiveness and Repentance, something meant to be "mimicked" far a wide in the coming age where the "standard" of Real Love has now jumped to the next level.
Hi Saxon,
The "Extremity" of bitterness between whatever happened between the 'given to each other' power couple.... what happened? is it like the same stuff we ourselves seem to go through, like the same kinds of dramas that people can see from shows like the Jerry Springer Show - kinds of problems?
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997
Apparently, Horus and Hathor were the original first "target" couple, where the teachings and practices of his younger brother Lucifer were just beginning to take hold. Since his older brother Horus presented a very real threat against his intentions, Lucifer therefore targeted his wife Hathor for seduction, utilizing many of her friends and respected "elders" around her such as Isis. Once both Isis and Hathor were "broken off" from their original relationships, Lucifer used them both as wrecking balls to the Kingdom society, seducing and wrecking, seducing and wrecking. And like dominoes, once these relationships started to fall, and the much "grudge fucking" gained momentum, the Kingdom began to implode from the top down.
The Archangels were by FAR the most heavily damaged sector, with the whole affair ultimately cascading down the "Mountian", through the "wall" between the Immortals and Mortals and out into the mortal realms as is recorded in many ancient books.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 12:50 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
REINCARNATION IS A LIE
Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. Make no mistake about it you have one life and after this The Judgement. The Trap... Quoting: 9teen.47™
You are very confused, quoting the very proof of reincarnation as the "proof" of its nonexistence.
The Bosom of Abraham is the topmost "pit" of Mother Earth that many like yourself confuse with Heaven. This is where many await either another round of reincarnation or their ultimate "birth" into Heaven.
As well, the rich man is hanging out in the worst pit some call "hell", where those collected there self define the environment just as is the case in the Bosom of Abraham.
The one life nonsense is the LIE of your "god" Lucifer to force his bullshit "salvation" through the death of another. Your own confused "god" Lucifer condemns such in your OT and then uses such as the "gospel" in the NT. Such typical Hegelian Dialectic on the part of Satan, your "respected men". 
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 12:52 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
how do you know if it isn't MORE screwed up "out there" ?
somehow, i do not believe that the grass is greener on the other side.
count your blessings.
Believe what you like, it's your "Right".
However, it is not your right to insult me with your "count your blessings" cheap shot.
your words: "screwed up fallen sector"
is what prompted my opinion.
ya don't know what ya have until ya lose it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725438
That may be, but your veiled threats are threats nonetheless.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 12:53 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
how the Heck do YOU KNOW what the Creator/Source VALUES ??
maybe our "creator" LIKES blood and war !!!!!!!!!!!
we only 'know' what each one of us experiences.
even then, perception is changable.
it just gets all tangeld up as we weave our way thru life.
gathering opinions along the way.
ideas.
IDEAS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725438
And what makes you SO sure that I DO NOT?!!
Just because YOU have no idea what our Creator values in NO WAY limits what I KNOW.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
[link to z14.invisionfree.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 725495
7/14/2009 12:55 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
OP: That's a very non-biblical question to a non-biblical answer.
Actually, Satan raised 2 big questions in his career of dissent, whose course our forefathers chose to join.
Statement # 1 (Raised in Genesis): Just because the God of Gods (YHWH) is the creator that doesn't have the right to determine whats best for his creation.
Statement # 2 (Raised in Job): YHWHs creation only serve him out of fear, not love.
While Job, and many others over the course of history, gave Satan a good answer to # 2, # 1 is a bit more complicated.
To prove Satan wrong, YHWH had to give, lets call it "freedom of self determination" a chance. What he commanded were specific guidelines so that human beings could develope to their full potential, while being as happy as possible.
Not listening to him has lead to all the misery we have seen through the ages.
So, God allows suffering to provide ample time for Satan and his associates to test and prove every possible angle of their theory. Well, they've had about 6000 years now, and we're worse off than ever, IMHO. (I think, that under the scrutiny of logic most would agree that it is so). We've had all sorts of governments, religions etc. etc. Now they will all be swept aside. First religions (by our own governments) and then the governments themselves (by Gods new theocratic system under his son, Jesus Christ. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 725495
7/14/2009 1:03 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
OP: That's a very non-biblical question to a non-biblical answer.
Actually, Satan raised 2 big questions in his career of dissent, whose course our forefathers chose to join.
Statement # 1 (Raised in Genesis): Just because the God of Gods (YHWH) is the creator that doesn't have the right to determine whats best for his creation.
Statement # 2 (Raised in Job): YHWHs creation only serve him out of fear, not love.
While Job, and many others over the course of history, gave Satan a good answer to # 2, # 1 is a bit more complicated.
To prove Satan wrong, YHWH had to give, lets call it "freedom of self determination" a chance. What he commanded were specific guidelines so that human beings could develope to their full potential, while being as happy as possible.
Not listening to him has lead to all the misery we have seen through the ages.
So, God allows suffering to provide ample time for Satan and his associates to test and prove every possible angle of their theory. Well, they've had about 6000 years now, and we're worse off than ever, IMHO. (I think, that under the scrutiny of logic most would agree that it is so). We've had all sorts of governments, religions etc. etc. Now they will all be swept aside. First religions (by our own governments) and then the governments themselves (by Gods new theocratic system under his son, Jesus Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725495
Forgot to add:
So, in short, God allows suffering in order to answer Satan's questions which directly attacked his sovereignty.
Since he is who he is, he also has the power to wipe out all the suffering Satan has caused in trying to prove his point, and hence, as also stated by the apostel Paul, there will be a resurrection of the righteous AS WELL as the unrighteous.
YHWH really is a great creator. I don't care what other idiots say, they're gravely either misinformed or even bigger idiots than Satan himself. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 725495
7/14/2009 1:15 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
Heck, this says it even better:
Source is:
[link to www.watchtower.org]
(slightly edited for readability)
and before you criticize it or the SOURCE, READ ITand tell me what part you believe is wrong. I doubt you can.
This, unlike 99.9% of the "answers" here is BY THE BIBLE and FROM THE BIBLE. EXCLUSIVELY.
No new age crap or what not.
I'm not here to promote any religion, I'm not even a JW myself. But I do promote TRUTH.
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Why does God allow suffering?
If Jehovah God is all-powerful, loving, wise, and just, why is the world so full of hatred and injustice? Have you ever wondered about these things yourself?
Is it wrong to ask why God allows suffering? Some worry that asking such a question means that they do not have enough faith or that they are showing disrespect for God. When reading the Bible, however, you will find that faithful, God-fearing people had similar questions. For example, the prophet Habakkuk asked Jehovah: “Why is it that you make me see what is hurtful, and you keep looking upon mere trouble? And why are despoiling and violence in front of me, and why does quarreling occur, and why is strife carried?”—Habakkuk 1:3.
Did Jehovah scold the faithful prophet Habakkuk for asking such questions? No. Instead, God included Habakkuk’s sincere words in the inspired Bible record. God also helped him to get a clearer understanding of matters and to gain greater faith. Jehovah wants to do the same for you. Remember, the Bible teaches that “he cares for you.” (1 Peter 5:7) God hates wickedness and the suffering it causes far more than any human does. (Isaiah 55:8, 9) Why, then, is there so much suffering in the world?
People of various religions have gone to their religious leaders and teachers to ask why there is so much suffering. Often, the response is that suffering is God’s will and that he long ago determined everything that would ever happen, including tragic events. Many are told that God’s ways are mysterious or that he brings death upon people—even children—so that he can have them in heaven with him. As you have learned, though, Jehovah God never causes what is bad. The Bible says: “Far be it from the true God to act wickedly, and the Almighty to act unjustly!”—Job 34:10.
Do you know why people make the mistake of blaming God for all the suffering in the world? In many cases, they blame Almighty God because they think that he is the real ruler of this world. They do not know a simple but important truth that the Bible teaches. You learned that truth in Chapter 3 of this book. The real ruler of this world is Satan the Devil.
The Bible clearly states: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) When you think about it, does that not make sense? This world reflects the personality of the invisible spirit creature who is “misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Revelation 12:9) Satan is hateful, deceptive, and cruel. So the world, under his influence, is full of hatred, deceit, and cruelty. That is one reason why there is so much suffering.
A second reason why there is so much suffering is that, as discussed in Chapter 3, mankind has been imperfect and sinful ever since the rebellion in the garden of Eden. Sinful humans tend to struggle for dominance, and this results in wars, oppression, and suffering. (Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9) A third reason for suffering is “time and unforeseen occurrence.” (Ecclesiastes 9:11) In a world without Jehovah as a protective Ruler, people may suffer because they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It is comforting for us to know that God does not cause suffering. He is not responsible for the wars, the crimes, the oppression, or even the natural disasters that cause people to suffer. Still, we need to know, Why does Jehovah allow all this suffering? If he is the Almighty, he has the power to stop it. Why, then, does he hold back? The loving God that we have come to know must have a good reason.—1 John 4:8.
To find out why God allows suffering, we need to think back to the time when suffering began. When Satan led Adam and Eve into disobeying Jehovah, an important question was raised. Satan did not call into question Jehovah’s power. Even Satan knows that there is no limit to Jehovah’s power. Rather, Satan questioned Jehovah’s right to rule. By calling God a liar who withholds good from his subjects, Satan charged that Jehovah is a bad ruler. (Genesis 3:2-5) Satan implied that mankind would be better off without God’s rulership. This was an attack on Jehovah’s sovereignty, his right to rule.
Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah. In effect, they said: “We do not need Jehovah as our Ruler. We can decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong.” How could Jehovah settle that issue? How could he teach all intelligent creatures that the rebels were wrong and that his way truly is best? Someone might say that God should simply have destroyed the rebels and made a fresh start. But Jehovah had stated his purpose to fill the earth with the offspring of Adam and Eve, and he wanted them to live in an earthly paradise. (Genesis 1:28) Jehovah always fulfills his purposes. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) Besides that, getting rid of the rebels in Eden would not have answered the question that had been raised regarding Jehovah’s right to rule.
Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.
Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. (Job 38:7; Daniel 7:10) How Jehovah handled the rebellion would greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s guidance.
The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honesthearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.
WHY SO LONG?
Why, though, has Jehovah allowed suffering to go on for so long? And why does he not prevent bad things from happening? Well, consider two things that the teacher in our illustration would not do. First, he would not stop the rebel student from presenting his case. Second, the teacher would not help the rebel to make his case. Similarly, consider two things that Jehovah has determined not to do. First, he has not stopped Satan and those who side with him from trying to prove that they are right. Allowing time to pass has thus been necessary. In the thousands of years of human history, mankind has been able to try every form of self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty, crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule has now been shown to be a failure.
Second, Jehovah has not helped Satan to rule this world. If God were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would he not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels? Would God not be making people think that perhaps humans can govern themselves without disastrous results? If Jehovah were to act in that way, he would become party to a lie. However, “it is impossible for God to lie.”—Hebrews 6:18.
God will help you to endure suffering
A woman being comforted by God's Word
What, though, about all the harm that has been done during the long rebellion against God? We do well to remember that Jehovah is almighty. Therefore, he can and will undo the effects of mankind’s suffering. As we have already learned, the ruining of our planet will be undone by the turning of the earth into Paradise. The effects of sin will be removed through faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice, and the effects of death will be reversed by means of the resurrection. God will thus use Jesus “to break up the works of the Devil.” (1 John 3:8) Jehovah will bring all of this about at just the right time. We can be glad that he has not acted sooner, for his patience has given us the opportunity to learn the truth and to serve him. (2 Peter 3:9, 10) Meanwhile, God has been actively seeking sincere worshipers and helping them to endure any suffering that may come upon them in this troubled world.—John 4:23; 1 Corinthians 10:13.
Some might wonder, Could all this suffering have been prevented if God had created Adam and Eve in such a way that they could not rebel? To answer that question, you need to remember a precious gift that Jehovah has given you.
HOW WILL YOU USE THE GIFT FROM GOD?
Humans were created with free will. Do you realize what a precious gift that is? God has made countless animals, and these are driven largely by instinct. (Proverbs 30:24) Man has made some robots that can be programmed to follow every command. Would we be happy if God had made us like that? No, we are glad to have the freedom to make choices about what kind of person to become, what course of life to pursue, what friendships to form, and so on. We love to have a measure of freedom, and that is what God wants us to enjoy.
Jehovah is not interested in service performed under compulsion. (2 Corinthians 9:7) To illustrate: What would please a parent more—a child’s saying “I love you” because he is told to say it or his saying it freely from the heart? So the question is, How will you use the free will that Jehovah has given you? Satan, Adam, and Eve made the worst possible use of free will. They rejected Jehovah God. What will you do? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 725516
7/14/2009 1:25 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
how do you know if it isn't MORE screwed up "out there" ?
somehow, i do not believe that the grass is greener on the other side.
count your blessings.
Believe what you like, it's your "Right".
However, it is not your right to insult me with your "count your blessings" cheap shot.
your words: "screwed up fallen sector"
is what prompted my opinion.
ya don't know what ya have until ya lose it.
That may be, but your veiled threats are threats nonetheless. Quoting: Saxon (777)
you see 'threats'...
i just see a difference of opinion.
spacie.
whatevvvvvvvvvvvver. |
| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 4:59 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
OP: That's a very non-biblical question to a non-biblical answer.
Actually, Satan raised 2 big questions in his career of dissent, whose course our forefathers chose to join.
Statement # 1 (Raised in Genesis): Just because the God of Gods (YHWH) is the creator that doesn't have the right to determine whats best for his creation.
Statement # 2 (Raised in Job): YHWHs creation only serve him out of fear, not love.
While Job, and many others over the course of history, gave Satan a good answer to # 2, # 1 is a bit more complicated.
To prove Satan wrong, YHWH had to give, lets call it "freedom of self determination" a chance. What he commanded were specific guidelines so that human beings could develope to their full potential, while being as happy as possible.
Not listening to him has lead to all the misery we have seen through the ages.
So, God allows suffering to provide ample time for Satan and his associates to test and prove every possible angle of their theory. Well, they've had about 6000 years now, and we're worse off than ever, IMHO. (I think, that under the scrutiny of logic most would agree that it is so). We've had all sorts of governments, religions etc. etc. Now they will all be swept aside. First religions (by our own governments) and then the governments themselves (by Gods new theocratic system under his son, Jesus Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725495
YHWH = Lucifer = Jehovah = Set
Satan = mortal children of the above little god.
Where you're getting your story I do not know, it is not the story I know.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 5:02 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
YHWH really is a great creator. I don't care what other idiots say, they're gravely either misinformed or even bigger idiots than Satan himself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725495
YHWH/Lucifer/Jehovah/Set is the biggest most hateful galactic ASS that has ever existed bar NONE.
If you want to believe his LIES, that's YOUR choice.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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| Saxon (777)
User ID: 566252
7/14/2009 5:05 PM | | Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer | Quote |
This, unlike 99.9% of the "answers" here is BY THE BIBLE and FROM THE BIBLE. EXCLUSIVELY. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725495
Look, spare me the Jehovah's Witness Luciferian "angle". Just like Christianity, Mormonism, Judaism, Islaam and every other version of Lucifer groveling out there, it's ALL THE SAME, one twisted LIE after another aimed at subduing the masses to the service of their "god" Lucifer/Set.
Ophiuchus - The Great Serpent Wrestler and Tamer
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