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Anonymous Coward User ID: 502821 6/6/2009 10:36 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 502821 6/6/2009 10:48 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer
Our Creator did no such thing. Many of us FREELY CHOSE this pathetic existence at the beginning of time, listening to the "beautiful teachings" of Lucifer et al.
Our Creator never demands any such thing. You're confusing our Creator with Lucifer just as those who wrote your Bible hoped and planned.
Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hi Saxon,
Can you describe what the essence of what these "beautiful teachings" were? Were the teachings themselves flawed by method or content? Do think it was a sort of irresistible entrapping kinds of teachings?
Thank you.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 502821 6/6/2009 11:51 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer
Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.
As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.
As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.
All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.
Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.
In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.
Quoting: Saxon (777)
Hello Saxon,
Is there more you can share in regards to the Creator, God you speak of?
In the following prayer, who do you think this prayer to directed to?
"Lords Prayer
"O Birther! Father- Mother of the Cosmos
Focus your light within us - make it useful.
Create your reign of unity now-
through our fiery hearts and willing hands
Help us love beyond our ideals
and sprout acts of compassion for all creatures.
Animate the earth within us: we then
feel the Wisdom underneath supporting all.
Untangle the knots within
so that we can mend our hearts' simple ties to each other.
Don't let surface things delude us,
But free us from what holds us back from our true purpose.
Out of you, the astonishing fire,
Returning light and sound to the cosmos.
Amen."
From the original Aramaic
Translation by Neil Douglas-Klotz in Prayers of the Cosmos"
The "Father- Mother of the Cosmos", is this the same Creator that you speak of, also is it the same "Father" that Jesus spoke about?
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Parts of this songs seem to speak of adoring the Creator...
"...fill my heart with song,
and let me sing forever more,
because you are all I long for,
all I worship and adore..
In other words please be true,
in other words I love you.."
Thank you.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 441472 6/6/2009 11:57 AM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer
God, HE Who IS, Has Always Been, Will Always BE; YahWeh, Elohim, Father is not responsible for your feelings, your interpretations, or your expectations.
Let that sink in a while.
There is only one God. Revealed and Made Known to mankind through HIS interaction with certain men and women and through The Witness of HIS Son, Christ Jesus, Yeshua Hamashiach.
The "suffering" you identify, feel, know in your heart results from your alienation from God which is entirely due to your self-willed motivation for living. When you live outside of HIS Will you are contrary to HIS natural order and ordained flow of life. Naturally you will be miserable and see things that are at variance with what you decide should be as "suffering".
There is no "suffering", not even death, which those who Abide In-HIM feel or are put upon by.
If you would not "suffer" through life, Recognize that only by submission and total surrender to God The Father will you Come Into HIS Accord and find freedom/deliverance In-HIS-Reality.
Ol' Lester ain't gonna lie to you. The world being populated almost entirely by selfish, self-willed humans all alienated from HIM and pursuing their own goals for themselves and trying to control others is a seriously fucked up place. Yet, God Can & Will Deliver those who give themselves Unto HIM from the shit and suffering.
When you live your life In HIS Accord, Know HIM and are able to do HIS Will, suffering is no longer part of your life. You see it in others, in all those who are of-the-world; but Know the cause and how all could be delivered from it.
It is almost like the old Vaudeville joke, the Born-Again understanding of suffering: Guy comes into the doctor's office, says, "Doc, it hurts when I do this!" Doc says, "Don't do dat!"
If you would be free of suffering, give up your life to God.
Acknowledge Christ Jesus,
Admit and repent of your sins,
Claim your share of HIS infinite Grace & Mercy,
Give HIM your life; all of it, the good and the bad,
Ask HIM to send HIS Holy Spirit to Guide your life.
If you are sincere and honest, HE Will!
Otherwise, just be ready to suffer for your art of self-willed living.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 441472 6/6/2009 12:19 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer
1) the perspective from the 'real God'...or 'what is':
nothing real can be harmed. nothing unreal exists. Once this is understood..therein lies the peace of God and his creations...(no more illusions of pain). (only your ego image can be harmed, physical and mental...and it is not real in any way. Let go, and be free(within stillness)...or see #2 below if you wish to continue suffering in delusions.
Consider yourself in a virtual dream world and when you awake from this (at the time that your body dies)you will THEN be aware that no one ever got hurt. No one ever died.
This IS a dream. This IS a dream. In every sense of the word
2) the perspective from the Demigods (the gods of worship)(superbeings):
through adversity comes growth . a 'good' father lets his children suffer in order to grow and evolve...
END OF STORY.
can you find error in this , OP?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 441472 6/6/2009 12:26 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer
I'm still going with God was the mushroom seed......and its oblivious to its offspring. We make everything else up ourselves to deal with not knowing anything.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 441472 6/6/2009 1:04 PM
Re: Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer
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