Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer

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Now as far as suffering goes, I‘m afraid this gets a bit slippery as well, for much, if not most of the time it is a matter of perspective and understanding. It is our perception of what is transpiring and our choice of responses that translates into “suffering” vs “not suffering”. And so it is, suffering is a resulting condition wherein we ascribe the term to our situation or to that of others, when indeed and in fact, they may not call it such nor identify with their situation as such.


There have been stories galore about the supposed “saintly” types who have endured the most horrible of conditions and/or situations / and/or afflictions with not a sign of “suffering” but rather a smile on their face and a song in their hearts.
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You are Gods, so you are the answer.

You are Gods, so you are the answer.


Hi there.

saying and pondering this idea is one thing, but coming to self realization from self experience, is what really allows one to 'walk the walk', correct?

can't even claim to stumble myself. i have questions to self realize this for oneself....

Thank you.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So when Lucifer, I mean Jesus died on the cross and took all of the sins of the world what was his judgement?

Jesus was a sinner plain and simple and if you can't see the deception then you are truly deceived.


Jesus didn't die on the cross, as myths do not die. Nor do myths commit sin.

This is an interesting statement as Roman and other historians, who did not believe Jesus claim that He was God in the flesh, did indeed document that he was crucified. I myself could claim that the Roman or Greek empires did NOT really exist, but the fact that I am saying it loudly and boldly does not really make it true.


Feel free to post said proof as none exists.

All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.

The Book of Isaiah (written approx. 730 B.C.; see Wikepedia) Chp 53 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no stately form or splendor; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hide, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And they made His grave with the wicked--but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand, He shall see the travail of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (This prophecy was written approx. 730 years before Christ came into this world and even unbelieving historians and scientists will confirm this). And the life of Christ is well documented, including accounts by Roman historians.


Well now, I suppose that depends upon whose interpretation you care to listen to now then doesn't it?

As for me, I prefer MY interpretation.


Isaiah 53

(1) Who will faithfully foster My doctrine for the women? (Divine Law, that governing the relationship between the eternally mated) From among those of the charge (those of the charge, the original “watchers” and above who originally tended this the “vineyard” the place where new spirits are rotated to “mature”) , who, of the strength of the Self Existent One, will discover and ascend up in My presence as the tender plant that was rooted in the parched desert (desert, the result of the “rebellion” in which the eternally mated “caught fire” and ultimately spread their “doctrine” to the nations of their charge) among the nations? Without beautiful form nor magnificence he will appear and advise. Without his beautiful appearance that they lust after, they will despise his frailty. This extant man (extant beings are those of the Kingdom outside of this place, they are the “eternals”) is an extant man of pain and

(3) affliction, he is a familiar friend of his kinsfolk who knows grief and malady. They will hide their faces because they despise him. Those who cunningly plotted without faithfulness are the women who exacted his malady and burdened him with sorrow, those of ourselves who cunningly plotted to strike this Magistrate (those “gods” of the Kingdom, those in charge of the “vineyard”) with affliction.

(5) She, herself, his own, bored him to dissolution (bored to dissolution, i.e. disregarded the “wall” of separation for their mated covenant of eternity) because of the rebellion. She crushed him with her perversity. The doctrine of prosperity (Lucifer’s version of creation) among those having his charge bound him with the wounds of

(6) their giants (those Nephilim halfbreed “great men”) of the dead. All of My flock (His Magistrates of the Kingdom) has been seduced, turning My extant men to their ways and customs. (Lucifer’s religion of superiority of body and mind) I, The Self Existent One, have made intercession between them for their perversity of all of those exacting their distress by lying with these women who now look down on the submitting of themselves and opening not their skirts. They have been carried away in pomp as ewes to be butchered for their meat. These ewes journeyed at the prospect as purposed to be destroyed by their enemies. From their bonds and bounds they have broken forth without their skirts to

(8) mingle themselves among My ruling Magistrates (hey, all women desire the greatest men) because they have determined this their “privilege”…..that….”whoever they announce will commune with them in their dwelling because we have decreed the dividing from among the nations”. (decided that flesh nations were theirs for the taking) They are likened unto a company of wild beasts. Because of this rebellion, My flock is now inflicted with spots. (part “angelic, part human flesh)

(9) I will cast them into the burying places among the wicked, (the “pit”) among those of means for whom they accumulated in Hades. (no kidding, they bore children for those condemned to the pit) Because these committed these acts, when none had done them violence, nor deceived them for the assent of their skirts, I, The Self Existent One, will take pleasure in crushing them with the afflictions that they had determined for their appointed ones. (appointed ones, those He creates as eternally mated as only He could do) In the desolation of their punishment, they will see the fruitfulness of My children during their drawn out lengthy suffering season and those who delighted in Me, The Self Existent One, will flow mightily over them in power. They will see this so that the pain and sorrow of their hearts will be satisfied with the knowledge that My just bond servants have been given justice. (His justice ultimately is focused on those who crushed their own “soul mates”, heartlessly) The mighty plenteous princes of these women will be

(12) burdened for their perversity. (Those these “whores” ran to because they perceived them to be “greater”) Rightly, I will take away the portion of these plenteous princes who divided My apportionments with their smooth flattery and preying with their great strength. In the bottom beneath, for as much, I will spread out their naked bodies in Hades and these women will be numbered among them who broke away in the rebellion. They will bear the penalty of the grievous crimes of these plenteous princes that they ran to meet and lay with when they broke away during the rebellion.

Your listings 1 thru 12 are indeed a grouping of words....... but that is the only thing that it shares in common with the Book of Isaiah.


Feel free to prove my interpretation "wrong", as my grouping of "words" are the real meanings of those words as specified by the Hebrew "experts".

The Book of Isaiah (written approx. 730 B.C.; see Wikepedia) Chp 53 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no stately form or splendor; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hide, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And they made His grave with the wicked--but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand, He shall see the travail of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (This prophecy was written approx. 730 years before Christ came into this world and even unbelieving historians and scientists will confirm this). And the life of Christ is well documented, including accounts by Roman historians.


Well now, I suppose that depends upon whose interpretation you care to listen to now then doesn't it?

As for me, I prefer MY interpretation.


Isaiah 53

(1) Who will faithfully foster My doctrine for the women? (Divine Law, that governing the relationship between the eternally mated) From among those of the charge (those of the charge, the original “watchers” and above who originally tended this the “vineyard” the place where new spirits are rotated to “mature”) , who, of the strength of the Self Existent One, will discover and ascend up in My presence as the tender plant that was rooted in the parched desert (desert, the result of the “rebellion” in which the eternally mated “caught fire” and ultimately spread their “doctrine” to the nations of their charge) among the nations? Without beautiful form nor magnificence he will appear and advise. Without his beautiful appearance that they lust after, they will despise his frailty. This extant man (extant beings are those of the Kingdom outside of this place, they are the “eternals”) is an extant man of pain and

(3) affliction, he is a familiar friend of his kinsfolk who knows grief and malady. They will hide their faces because they despise him. Those who cunningly plotted without faithfulness are the women who exacted his malady and burdened him with sorrow, those of ourselves who cunningly plotted to strike this Magistrate (those “gods” of the Kingdom, those in charge of the “vineyard”) with affliction.

(5) She, herself, his own, bored him to dissolution (bored to dissolution, i.e. disregarded the “wall” of separation for their mated covenant of eternity) because of the rebellion. She crushed him with her perversity. The doctrine of prosperity (Lucifer’s version of creation) among those having his charge bound him with the wounds of

(6) their giants (those Nephilim halfbreed “great men”) of the dead. All of My flock (His Magistrates of the Kingdom) has been seduced, turning My extant men to their ways and customs. (Lucifer’s religion of superiority of body and mind) I, The Self Existent One, have made intercession between them for their perversity of all of those exacting their distress by lying with these women who now look down on the submitting of themselves and opening not their skirts. They have been carried away in pomp as ewes to be butchered for their meat. These ewes journeyed at the prospect as purposed to be destroyed by their enemies. From their bonds and bounds they have broken forth without their skirts to

(8) mingle themselves among My ruling Magistrates (hey, all women desire the greatest men) because they have determined this their “privilege”…..that….”whoever they announce will commune with them in their dwelling because we have decreed the dividing from among the nations”. (decided that flesh nations were theirs for the taking) They are likened unto a company of wild beasts. Because of this rebellion, My flock is now inflicted with spots. (part “angelic, part human flesh)

(9) I will cast them into the burying places among the wicked, (the “pit”) among those of means for whom they accumulated in Hades. (no kidding, they bore children for those condemned to the pit) Because these committed these acts, when none had done them violence, nor deceived them for the assent of their skirts, I, The Self Existent One, will take pleasure in crushing them with the afflictions that they had determined for their appointed ones. (appointed ones, those He creates as eternally mated as only He could do) In the desolation of their punishment, they will see the fruitfulness of My children during their drawn out lengthy suffering season and those who delighted in Me, The Self Existent One, will flow mightily over them in power. They will see this so that the pain and sorrow of their hearts will be satisfied with the knowledge that My just bond servants have been given justice. (His justice ultimately is focused on those who crushed their own “soul mates”, heartlessly) The mighty plenteous princes of these women will be

(12) burdened for their perversity. (Those these “whores” ran to because they perceived them to be “greater”) Rightly, I will take away the portion of these plenteous princes who divided My apportionments with their smooth flattery and preying with their great strength. In the bottom beneath, for as much, I will spread out their naked bodies in Hades and these women will be numbered among them who broke away in the rebellion. They will bear the penalty of the grievous crimes of these plenteous princes that they ran to meet and lay with when they broke away during the rebellion.

Your listings 1 thru 12 are indeed a grouping of words....... but that is the only thing that it shares in common with the Book of Isaiah.


Feel free to prove my interpretation "wrong", as my grouping of "words" are the real meanings of those words as specified by the Hebrew "experts".

Hebrew "experts?".....you forgot to include your source. Christ: "For false christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand." Matthew 24: 24-25

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Psychology is a misnomer itself. There is no "science" of the mind, really, and yes, everything about such can be EASILY "argued", just as I just did.

Desire is not the source of suffering but rather just the target. Suffering is not "bad", but rather a tool to improvement here. Therefore eliminating desire and ego is but a lame attempt to sidestep the lessons of this place, something which guarantees your return, just like your lying king likes.

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This world was originally designed with weakness and suffering built in to achieve the purposes I stated at the beginning of the post.

Although the rebellion and subsequent corruption of this place as greatly amplified that intended suffering, the reason for such remains the same. The rebellion is to be blamed for the overbearing suffering which is now present in this place.

If you want to blame a "god", blame those who orchestrated the fall of the Watchers who would normally be keeping this place within its original suffering window of operation.

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Yup, True dat. Sadly, most of the benevolent types who came here often had their "asses handed to them in a bag" as it's said. This has never been an easy gig and has always been of considerable concern to the rest of the non-fallen creation, hence the quarantine.


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That's True to a point, although the rebellion began as a "top down" problem, and hence had to be fixed from the top down. Still though, everyone will be "winning" back their freedom as you say, as it is up to each to walk through the door which has now been re-opened. The vibrating shift will probably be more contained in the Mother Earth pit system if I had to guess, although one could say that there will be "two" Earths in a sense.



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Hello Saxon,

Is there more you can share in regards to the Creator, God you speak of?

In the following prayer, who do you think this prayer to directed to?

"Lords Prayer

"O Birther! Father- Mother of the Cosmos
Focus your light within us - make it useful.
Create your reign of unity now-
through our fiery hearts and willing hands
Help us love beyond our ideals
and sprout acts of compassion for all creatures.
Animate the earth within us: we then
feel the Wisdom underneath supporting all.
Untangle the knots within
so that we can mend our hearts' simple ties to each other.
Don't let surface things delude us,
But free us from what holds us back from our true purpose.
Out of you, the astonishing fire,
Returning light and sound to the cosmos.

Amen."

From the original Aramaic
Translation by Neil Douglas-Klotz in Prayers of the Cosmos"


The "Father- Mother of the Cosmos", is this the same Creator that you speak of, also is it the same "Father" that Jesus spoke about?

Parts of this songs seem to speak of adoring the Creator...

"...fill my heart with song,
and let me sing forever more,
because you are all I long for,
all I worship and adore..

In other words please be true,
in other words I love you.."



Thank you.

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I however, care to find the Truth while you apparently only care to find what makes you "feel good".

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"...fill my heart with song,
and let me sing forever more,
because you are all I long for,
all I worship and adore..

In other words please be true,
in other words I love you.."



Thank you.



This still leans way too heavily into the "you do it for me God" direction. Parents want to be PROUD of their Children, and such is no different in this case. This is akin to a child here who constantly expects his/her parents to come running to their "rescue" for every tiny issue.

The "worship" is simply repugnant to our Creator Parents in the same way as if your own children "worshiped" and groveled before your feet. Parents want LOVE, not "worshiping". The whole worshiping ruse is about Lucifer NOT our Creator Parents.

Hello Saxon,

Is there more you can share in regards to the Creator, God you speak of?

In the following prayer, who do you think this prayer to directed to?

"Lords Prayer

"O Birther! Father- Mother of the Cosmos
Focus your light within us - make it useful.
Create your reign of unity now-
through our fiery hearts and willing hands
Help us love beyond our ideals
and sprout acts of compassion for all creatures.
Animate the earth within us: we then
feel the Wisdom underneath supporting all.
Untangle the knots within
so that we can mend our hearts' simple ties to each other.
Don't let surface things delude us,
But free us from what holds us back from our true purpose.
Out of you, the astonishing fire,
Returning light and sound to the cosmos.

Amen."

From the original Aramaic
Translation by Neil Douglas-Klotz in Prayers of the Cosmos"


The "Father- Mother of the Cosmos", is this the same Creator that you speak of, also is it the same "Father" that Jesus spoke about?



The above is closer to the Truth than most of the accounts purposely twisted to keep the world in confusion. The "simple ties" to each other are more complicated than is implied and found the very basis of the Kingdom in general which is shown being "woven" by at least one of the NDEs I've seen. As well, the above is a little heavy on the "do it for us Mom and Dad", which isn't all that unusual given the time frame it comes from.

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Just to rise over the din of confusion on the other related thread, I'll post the REAL answers to this question here.


As with any good parent, the child is allowed to experience things on their own with the parent lending assistance at minimal times as to not spoil the child.

As well, suffering is the great "hammer" in the "forge" of Mother Earths spirit development school. And much like a weight training facility, some of the mature spirits can lift heavy weights (endure much suffering) while other more immature newbie spirits get crushed by the lightest of weights.

All suffering is countered with good times and things in the proportion needed for any given spirit so as not to totally crush them from the positive gains of this existence.

Think of Mother Earth as a spirit forge, where the newbie spirits are the "raw materials" of the "production line" with and end product of Swords. First the "ore" is "Refined" and then melted, poured, pounded, quenched and reheated.....repeat.

In such do these lives here form the spirits of the Children of God.

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rofl, as if you had the real answer... do you at least realize how many millions of people claimed to have the real answer over the last millenars? and suddenly, there you are, with the right answer? pls, cut off the bullshit, at least for yourself