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If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?

 
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OP... i have a question for you... If fire cannot exist in the vacuum of space, How do we have fire on the earth? ........................................... The logic you are using is akin to the following............... If fish can't live outside of water, then do they breathe?
 Quoting: Twisted_Logic

Can you drown a fish? Sure you can! With alcohol.
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If Fire cannot exist in the vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
 Quoting: MikeRotch 692033



Because space isn't a vacuum, duh! ;p
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It's called plasma... sheesh!
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Now define "plasma".....
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
atmosphere contained within a gravitational pull?
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so is it possible that an object thousands of times larger than the earth might also have a gravitational pull? .............. is it possible that this extreme gravity might pull elements like hydrogen and oxygen from space so tightly that they began a reaction which we might call fusion, which results in heat and photons flying to us?
-Since when did thinking become a bad idea?
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
It's called plasma... sheesh!

Now define "plasma".....
 Quoting: voice 698037


Ionized matter. Atoms that have been stripped of some or all of their electrons, forming a tenuous soup of very hot matter. The atoms are free to magnetically align, leading to streamers of particles organized along field lines and paths of current. You can see a little of this in the video the OP shared. This is strongly related to how older televisions work.

Is this going somewhere?
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
You're all wrong the sun is filled with candy.
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
atmosphere contained within a gravitational pull?

so is it possible that an object thousands of times larger than the earth might also have a gravitational pull? .............. is it possible that this extreme gravity might pull elements like hydrogen and oxygen from space so tightly that they began a reaction which we might call fusion, which results in heat and photons flying to us?
 Quoting: Twisted_Logic

It's possible.......but why did the sun do it, and not our planet? Or maybe a better question would be: How?
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atmosphere contained within a gravitational pull?
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Stop being dumb and read the answers ffs!
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atmosphere contained within a gravitational pull?


Stop being dumb and read the answers ffs!
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asking questions is quite the opposite of being dumb.
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atmosphere contained within a gravitational pull?


Stop being dumb and read the answers ffs!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697825


It's odd the little bits GLPers get right. I had one come up with the concept of a space elevator from something I posted a little while ago. The sun is gravitationally contained, mostly. Occasionally a streamer snaps loose and causes the nation of Canada to stop working but that's another story.

Once I saw a calculation of how long it could burn given it's energy output and mass (I'm too lazy to google) and it would only be a few hundred years before it's just a ball of steam. Furthermore oxygen is a very rare thing in the universe; there are no plants in space and left to it's own devices oxygen will combine with something (anything) and stay there indefinitely.
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Now define "plasma".....


Ionized matter. Atoms that have been stripped of some or all of their electrons, forming a tenuous soup of very hot matter. The atoms are free to magnetically align, leading to streamers of particles organized along field lines and paths of current. You can see a little of this in the video the OP shared. This is strongly related to how older televisions work.
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You can do that? Or......doesn't that take some sort of intelligence?
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If Fire cannot exist in the vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
 Quoting: MikeRotch 692033



it does not burn!!! that is an assumption, not sceintific fact...
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Now define "plasma".....


Ionized matter. Atoms that have been stripped of some or all of their electrons, forming a tenuous soup of very hot matter. The atoms are free to magnetically align, leading to streamers of particles organized along field lines and paths of current. You can see a little of this in the video the OP shared. This is strongly related to how older televisions work.

You can do that? Or......doesn't that take some sort of intelligence?
 Quoting: voice 698037


Do what? Nuclear fusion? Zap up some plasma?

Neither. I left all my wool socks at home and my university has no fusion program.

Don't mind me, just stirring the pot.
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GET EDUCATED
[link to www.electric-cosmos.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]

tons more proof if you click 'more info' under the youtube user.

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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
the sun is a hologram
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
the sun is a hologram
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Therefore everything based on light is a hologram.

Including us.
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
Four hydrogen atoms, each composed of one proton, fuse. This produces a helium nucleus with two protons and two neutrons.

What happened to the electric charge of the two protons that became neutrons? It's lost as pure energy in the form of light (well, electromagnetic radiation), and also a free-roving particle called a neutrino.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685116


Great answer, though I think you are wasting your time with someone who poses such a stupid question. If the O/P's brain was converted to pure energy (E= M x C2), he would not have enough to vaporize his hat.
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
the sun is a hologram

Therefore everything based on light is a hologram.

Including us.
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bingo
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
Nucular reactions.
 Quoting: Doctor What


You must be Bushie junior! It's nuclear not nucular
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
Why don't you imbeciles admit that you don't actually know?
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
I thought the Sun was electric?

*stir shit*

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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
Easy, it's not fire. Fire is oxidation. The Sun is plasma produced by nuclear fusion.
 Quoting: JT1776


Nope. If it was fusion it should be hotter in the center.

The Sun is hotter on the outside or corona.

It is plasma, but it is
not nuclear generated. That is technobabble.

Plasma matter is a stripped substance, not a fused substance.

Also, it is electrically active plasma, not nuclear.
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OMG, I can't believe this thread is still going...

Why don't you imbeciles admit that you don't actually know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697778

We DO know. The answers have already been provided. I am curious, have you people had a formal education? Most people in America have.
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
Why don't you imbeciles admit that you don't actually know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697778

I agree,...lots of math here with no solid proof of anything.
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
Easy, it's not fire. Fire is oxidation. The Sun is plasma produced by nuclear fusion.
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Nope. If it was fusion it should be hotter in the center.

The Sun is hotter on the outside or corona.

It is plasma, but it is
not nuclear generated. That is technobabble.

Plasma matter is a stripped substance, not a fused substance.

Also, it is electrically active plasma, not nuclear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 564424

It makes sense to me that a star is hotter on the outside because that is where the energy is actually released. It conjures up images of all that energy finally breaking free ... BOOOOOM! Anyway, if it's not nuclear fusion that is producing heat, what is?

Also, the poster that you replied to probably didn't mean that plasma was a fused substance. Plasma is produced by the fusion of hydrogen into helium which causes the intense heat that allows the plasma to exist in the first place.
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
Easy, it's not fire. Fire is oxidation. The Sun is plasma produced by nuclear fusion.


Nope. If it was fusion it should be hotter in the center.

The Sun is hotter on the outside or corona.

It is plasma, but it is
not nuclear generated. That is technobabble.

Plasma matter is a stripped substance, not a fused substance.

Also, it is electrically active plasma, not nuclear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 564424



No, there are a series of temperature changes in the profile of the outer layers of the sun. The same thing is true in Earth's atmosphere.

In the case of the Sun, this is largely possible because temperature is not heat. A smaller number of particles can have a higher average temperature but together still have less inherent energy than a denser layer at a lower average temperature.



Plasma is plasma. It doesn't care what the energy source is. Plasma can also, like other states of matter, exist at a variety of pressures and temperatures. It isn't a single thing.



By the by, what is the explanation within Electric Universe for solar neutrinos? Does it predict the solar neutrino flux as accurately as the standard model? I can't, myself, recall it even _mentioning_ them.
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
maybe the fire on the surface of the sun isn't in the vacuum of space?
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Re: If Fire cannot exist in vacuum of space - How does the sun burn?
I remember striking a match in Thule Greenland when the temperature was -70 F. The flame froze and I was able to put it in my pocket till it thawed out. Kinda neat!
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I remember striking a match in Thule Greenland when the temperature was -70 F. The flame froze and I was able to put it in my pocket till it thawed out. Kinda neat!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 536062

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As pointed out earlier by an enlightened poster that's because it's a huge unshielded nuclear fusion reactor. Wear sun screen doped with lead nanoparticles. Now that's what I call my own special SPF Planet X sunscreen. banana2

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