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**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599  United States02/11/2012 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is it a lie? Sounds more to me like he simply changed his mind about when to use them. What difference does it make when he uses them? And you're certainly one to accuse him of lying when you go out of your way to support some of the biggest liars around. Let me guess - you don't consider Clif or Nancy to be lying when they change their stories. Quoting: Circuit Breaker >> Sounds more to me like he simply changed his mind I think every debunker should meditate on these words for a MONTH. How many times have I been accused of "lying" when in fact, I too, was simply having a change of heart ... or "mind". How many times has Clif been accused of "lying" when in fact, he too, was simply having a change of heart ... or "mind".  |
| Menow User ID: 611111 United States02/11/2012 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm, too simplistic. It may be true that "some" form of intelligent "being" (incarnate or dis-incarnate) wants billions to die - but I can't be sure that Nancy herself belongs in that category. Multiple personality disorder is a genuine condition, and opinions vary as to how "real" and "independent" these personalities are. I have personally worked with multiples, and the change from one to another is REMARKABLE. Voice inflection, mannerisms, food preferences, phobias all differ WILDLY. Even things like allergies differ from personality to personality. I happen to subscribe to the notion that these multiples are genuine "beings" or soul fragments or "parallel" selves that have REAL and valid existence outside of the BODY ad BRAIN. Nancy exhibits signs of this condition, and "normal Nancy" and "ZetaTalk Nancy" exhibited noticable differences. Clearly there is an intent on the part of some "being" to deceive and vector folks with the ZetaTalk "saga". The question is "TO WHAT END???" I'm afraid the answer to that question is a rather DISTURBING one! I have said it for years. Nancy is possessed by whatever "Zetas" is. True enough - but you've refused to discuss or speculate beyond that statement. Which means that the question "TO WHAT END" is one you simply ignore. This of course makes your "ethical outrage" rather "faux". Things I haven't cared to discuss are not necessarily "ignored" by me. There are many and varied things of which I have knowledge and/or opinion which I have no desire to discuss with you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10422385  Canada02/11/2012 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True enough - but you've refused to discuss or speculate beyond that statement. Which means that the question "TO WHAT END" is one you simply ignore. This of course makes your "ethical outrage" rather "faux". It's called mental illness, and if I were you, I would feel ashamed at myself for egging her on all these years. Oh - silly me. It's "just" mental illness. What a nice, neat little LABEL. Just stuff everything into the "mental illness" Glad bag, toss into dumpster, and MOVE ON. You're pathetic. What would you call it then? You admit she "hears" voices in her head that tell her she is important and tell her information that is wrong time and time again, yet she continues to heed those voices. Or maybe she doesn't really hear voices. Maybe she is just making it all up. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10422385 Canada02/11/2012 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is it a lie? Sounds more to me like he simply changed his mind about when to use them. What difference does it make when he uses them? And you're certainly one to accuse him of lying when you go out of your way to support some of the biggest liars around. Let me guess - you don't consider Clif or Nancy to be lying when they change their stories. Quoting: Circuit Breaker >> Sounds more to me like he simply changed his mind I think every debunker should meditate on these words for a MONTH. How many times have I been accused of "lying" when in fact, I too, was simply having a change of heart ... or "mind". How many times has Clif been accused of "lying" when in fact, he too, was simply having a change of heart ... or "mind". :irony: The difference is that Hap isn't trying to sell you anything. He knows his stuff. He tries to educate the ignorant and prevent them from doing something silly based on chicken little pseudoscience. He won the bet, changed his mind. It's nobody's business how he used the gift cards.. He won fair and square. Nancy and Clif however are trying to sell their warped delusions to anyone stupid enough to put stock in them. They make claims and then wriggle out of them when they fail. That's not a change of mind. It's called intellectual dishonesty. Or a lie. I thought you learned your lesson about calling Hap a liar. But idiot trolls apparently never learn. Clif's flip flopping isn't a change of mind. He claims it all comes out of the "data". That you admit that it's all in his mind is telling. |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 1332648 United States02/11/2012 01:20 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many times has Clif been accused of "lying" when in fact, he too, was simply having a change of heart ... or "mind". Quoting: **ZetaMax** Uh, there's a HUGE difference there. First of all, Hap doesn't make predictions and then have a "change of heart" or "mind" AFTER his prediction FAILS miserably. Hap also doesn't make money from telling people when he's going to dinner. Nor does it mean doom to anyone whether he goes or not. That was a pretty poor attempt to spin that Max. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| **ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States02/11/2012 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: **ZetaMax** Hmmm, too simplistic. It may be true that "some" form of intelligent "being" (incarnate or dis-incarnate) wants billions to die - but I can't be sure that Nancy herself belongs in that category. Multiple personality disorder is a genuine condition, and opinions vary as to how "real" and "independent" these personalities are. I have personally worked with multiples, and the change from one to another is REMARKABLE. Voice inflection, mannerisms, food preferences, phobias all differ WILDLY. Even things like allergies differ from personality to personality. I happen to subscribe to the notion that these multiples are genuine "beings" or soul fragments or "parallel" selves that have REAL and valid existence outside of the BODY ad BRAIN. Nancy exhibits signs of this condition, and "normal Nancy" and "ZetaTalk Nancy" exhibited noticable differences. Clearly there is an intent on the part of some "being" to deceive and vector folks with the ZetaTalk "saga". The question is "TO WHAT END???" I'm afraid the answer to that question is a rather DISTURBING one! I have said it for years. Nancy is possessed by whatever "Zetas" is. True enough - but you've refused to discuss or speculate beyond that statement. Which means that the question "TO WHAT END" is one you simply ignore. This of course makes your "ethical outrage" rather "faux". Things I haven't cared to discuss are not necessarily "ignored" by me. There are many and varied things of which I have knowledge and/or opinion which I have no desire to discuss with you. I said IGNORED, not "overlooked". I suggest looking up the word. I just find it so disingenuous that you will freely regard others as violently ignorant, and then in the next breath, refuse to be an "educator". That just reveals an individual that celebrates such ignorance, rather than being an adversary of it - no matter how much "protest" you offer up. "By their fruits ye shall know them". Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10422385 Canada02/11/2012 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True enough - but you've refused to discuss or speculate beyond that statement. Which means that the question "TO WHAT END" is one you simply ignore. This of course makes your "ethical outrage" rather "faux". Things I haven't cared to discuss are not necessarily "ignored" by me. There are many and varied things of which I have knowledge and/or opinion which I have no desire to discuss with you. I said IGNORED, not "overlooked". I suggest looking up the word. I just find it so disingenuous that you will freely regard others as violently ignorant, and then in the next breath, refuse to be an "educator". That just reveals an individual that celebrates such ignorance, rather than being an adversary of it - no matter how much "protest" you offer up. "By their fruits ye shall know them". Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. What an ass you are. We all share what we like here. You are the one that doesn't want to identify yourself by name and city/town. You choose to withhold that information, and I don't blame you. It's your right. Just like Menow has the right to share what's on his mind and not share other things he might know about. We have our hands full trying to educate the chicken little crowd about the glaring errors in the zetatalk "message" without broadening the discussion in areas that aren't relevant to the discussion. We've been trying to educate you for years and look how far you've come. Not one inch. It would be kind of pointless to expand the scope of the discussion. |
| **ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States02/11/2012 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: **ZetaMax** True enough - but you've refused to discuss or speculate beyond that statement. Which means that the question "TO WHAT END" is one you simply ignore. This of course makes your "ethical outrage" rather "faux". Things I haven't cared to discuss are not necessarily "ignored" by me. There are many and varied things of which I have knowledge and/or opinion which I have no desire to discuss with you. I said IGNORED, not "overlooked". I suggest looking up the word. I just find it so disingenuous that you will freely regard others as violently ignorant, and then in the next breath, refuse to be an "educator". That just reveals an individual that celebrates such ignorance, rather than being an adversary of it - no matter how much "protest" you offer up. "By their fruits ye shall know them". Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. What an ass you are. We all share what we like here. You are the one that doesn't want to identify yourself by name and city/town. You choose to withhold that information, and I don't blame you. It's your right. Just like Menow has the right to share what's on his mind and not share other things he might know about. We have our hands full trying to educate the chicken little crowd about the glaring errors in the zetatalk "message" without broadening the discussion in areas that aren't relevant to the discussion. We've been trying to educate you for years and look how far you've come. Not one inch. It would be kind of pointless to expand the scope of the discussion. The term is called "letting on". There is a BIG freakin difference between "I have an opinion, but I'm not going to share it with ***YOU***", and simply saying NOTHING. The latter is keeping your opinion to yourself. The former is being an ASS. I'm not the one being the "ass" here. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1015670 United States02/11/2012 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Quoting: **ZetaMax** Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. Like the Zetas/Nancy Lieder not sharing the actual date of PX supposed passage. Any more double standards you'd like to expose, Zetamax? |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 1332648 United States02/11/2012 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Quoting: **ZetaMax** Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. Hmmm...sounds a lot like Nancy doesn't it, Max? Oh, I'm sorry - the "Zetas." After all, they claim to know the date of the "pole shift" yet refuse to share that knowledge...claiming it's for our own good. And yet you did your best to promote ZetaTalk for years. Care to explain that? Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 02/11/2012 10:06 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10422385 Canada02/11/2012 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Menow 611111 Things I haven't cared to discuss are not necessarily "ignored" by me. There are many and varied things of which I have knowledge and/or opinion which I have no desire to discuss with you. I said IGNORED, not "overlooked". I suggest looking up the word. I just find it so disingenuous that you will freely regard others as violently ignorant, and then in the next breath, refuse to be an "educator". That just reveals an individual that celebrates such ignorance, rather than being an adversary of it - no matter how much "protest" you offer up. "By their fruits ye shall know them". Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. What an ass you are. We all share what we like here. You are the one that doesn't want to identify yourself by name and city/town. You choose to withhold that information, and I don't blame you. It's your right. Just like Menow has the right to share what's on his mind and not share other things he might know about. We have our hands full trying to educate the chicken little crowd about the glaring errors in the zetatalk "message" without broadening the discussion in areas that aren't relevant to the discussion. We've been trying to educate you for years and look how far you've come. Not one inch. It would be kind of pointless to expand the scope of the discussion. The term is called "letting on". There is a BIG freakin difference between "I have an opinion, but I'm not going to share it with ***YOU***", and simply saying NOTHING. The latter is keeping your opinion to yourself. The former is being an ASS. I'm not the one being the "ass" here. You can tell yourself that as much as you like, but the evidence proves you are wrong. Again. As usual. I was hoping you would be humbled by losing your bet, but you are the same arrogant ignorant troll as ever. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10422385 Canada02/11/2012 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Quoting: **ZetaMax** Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. Like the Zetas/Nancy Lieder not sharing the actual date of PX supposed passage. Any more double standards you'd like to expose, Zetamax? Very good point. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 991880 United States02/11/2012 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife and I had an absolutely wonderful dinner at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse last Friday night with Max's gift cards. I had to add a bit since the bill was over $150, but worth every penny. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880 Hey Max, care to make any more bets about Clif's predictions? Hap How ironic, that Hap would celebrate with a BIG LIE! He said on an earlier post that he was going to use the cards for VALENTINE'S DAY. But instead, he used them last Friday. :oh_irony: Yes, I did change my mind. It happened to be a convenient time for both of us, so we went that night. And it was very good, too...$150 worth good. |
| The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 10583823  New Zealand02/11/2012 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife and I had an absolutely wonderful dinner at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse last Friday night with Max's gift cards. I had to add a bit since the bill was over $150, but worth every penny. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880 Hey Max, care to make any more bets about Clif's predictions? Hap How ironic, that Hap would celebrate with a BIG LIE! He said on an earlier post that he was going to use the cards for VALENTINE'S DAY. But instead, he used them last Friday.  The only here is your willing arrogance, in light of your very own long track record of lies on our thread, in labelling ANY other poster here a liar.Melfy your ability to "deprogramme" yourself from the ways of Nancy LIEDer appears to be a near impossible task. Your above false accusation against Hap has got to be one of the most pathetic statements that you have ever made on our thread....and man is that saying alot. Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |
| The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 10583823 New Zealand02/11/2012 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What would you call it then? You admit she "hears" voices in her head that tell her she is important and tell her information that is wrong time and time again, yet she continues to heed those voices. Or maybe she doesn't really hear voices. Maybe she is just making it all up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385  Yes indeed....well more specifically I concluded years ago that Nancy LIEDer has basically "added" her own little twist to information/ideas already plagiarized from sources other than herself. As already stated many a time on this thread; Ms LIEDer's greatest FAILING was to put "dates" to her many predicted "doom" claims. Apart from her many BS  ings the lady from Wisconsin simply runs out of time with each and every BS prediction. Unfortunately the "serious" side to her ings is that a few well meaning folk all over the globe, and their families in some cases, suffer for the worse because of her direct influence.Last Edited by The Lone Ranger on 02/11/2012 06:42 PM Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |
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| Menow User ID: 611111 United States02/12/2012 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True enough - but you've refused to discuss or speculate beyond that statement. Which means that the question "TO WHAT END" is one you simply ignore. This of course makes your "ethical outrage" rather "faux". Things I haven't cared to discuss are not necessarily "ignored" by me. There are many and varied things of which I have knowledge and/or opinion which I have no desire to discuss with you. I said IGNORED, not "overlooked". I suggest looking up the word. I just find it so disingenuous that you will freely regard others as violently ignorant, and then in the next breath, refuse to be an "educator". That just reveals an individual that celebrates such ignorance, rather than being an adversary of it - no matter how much "protest" you offer up. "By their fruits ye shall know them". Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. I suggest that you fuck right off. |
| **ZetaMax** User ID: 10632471 United States02/12/2012 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: **ZetaMax** True enough - but you've refused to discuss or speculate beyond that statement. Which means that the question "TO WHAT END" is one you simply ignore. This of course makes your "ethical outrage" rather "faux". Things I haven't cared to discuss are not necessarily "ignored" by me. There are many and varied things of which I have knowledge and/or opinion which I have no desire to discuss with you. I said IGNORED, not "overlooked". I suggest looking up the word. I just find it so disingenuous that you will freely regard others as violently ignorant, and then in the next breath, refuse to be an "educator". That just reveals an individual that celebrates such ignorance, rather than being an adversary of it - no matter how much "protest" you offer up. "By their fruits ye shall know them". Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. I suggest that you fuck right off. So predictable - that's all you got left in your war chest, isn't it? |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 1332648 United States02/12/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah, so he's started to back pedal already. Not surprising considering his record of FAIL. Also not surprising - you bought it. Considering how much effort you put in to promoting his dire prediction the last couple of weeks - if it doesn't happen, we WILL call it another failure....for both of you. So, yes, we are getting ready. Ready for another failure. Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 02/12/2012 12:11 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10422385 Canada02/12/2012 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Clif also said back in 2010 that November 2010 the shit would hit the fan. He said it would be bigger than 911, that everyone would be talking about it. We all know how that worked out, with Clif backtracking and doing acrobatics. You never learn, do you Max? The guy is a scam artist. It's pretty plain and simple to those of us that have a discerning mind. |
| walt User ID: 10623671  South Africa02/12/2012 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At time 55:45 Clif reiterates that 1.289 BILLION people will die starting March 2nd. But he says it's only a "possibility" so you can't call it a FAIL if it doesn't happen. Quoting: **ZetaMax** Then I guess you also can't call it a HIT if it DOES happen! my rugby website at [link to www.lionsworld.co.za] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74444 United States02/12/2012 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Quoting: **ZetaMax** Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. Hmmm...sounds a lot like Nancy doesn't it, Max? Oh, I'm sorry - the "Zetas." After all, they claim to know the date of the "pole shift" yet refuse to share that knowledge...claiming it's for our own good. And yet you did your best to promote ZetaTalk for years. Care to explain that? Of course, he will not. |
| The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 10583823 New Zealand02/12/2012 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At time 55:45 Clif reiterates that 1.289 BILLION people will die starting March 2nd. But he says it's only a "possibility" so you can't call it a FAIL if it doesn't happen. He also said that the "survivors" won't like being around. Quoting: **ZetaMax** I'd say that means ... GET READY!!! I'd say that means ... GET READY!!!.....yeah!!To  dipshit!! Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |
| **ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States02/12/2012 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Clif also said back in 2010 that November 2010 the shit would hit the fan. He said it would be bigger than 911, that everyone would be talking about it. We all know how that worked out, with Clif backtracking and doing acrobatics. You never learn, do you Max? The guy is a scam artist. It's pretty plain and simple to those of us that have a discerning mind. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385 >> to those of us that have a discerning mind. And you know that from the manufacturer's tag hanging from your ear? Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 02/12/2012 02:43 PM |
| **ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States02/12/2012 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Quoting: **ZetaMax** Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. Hmmm...sounds a lot like Nancy doesn't it, Max? Oh, I'm sorry - the "Zetas." After all, they claim to know the date of the "pole shift" yet refuse to share that knowledge...claiming it's for our own good. And yet you did your best to promote ZetaTalk for years. Care to explain that? Of course, he will not. It's all in the PAST ... |
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| Menow User ID: 611111 United States02/12/2012 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Menow 611111 Things I haven't cared to discuss are not necessarily "ignored" by me. There are many and varied things of which I have knowledge and/or opinion which I have no desire to discuss with you. I said IGNORED, not "overlooked". I suggest looking up the word. I just find it so disingenuous that you will freely regard others as violently ignorant, and then in the next breath, refuse to be an "educator". That just reveals an individual that celebrates such ignorance, rather than being an adversary of it - no matter how much "protest" you offer up. "By their fruits ye shall know them". Those who claim to possess knowledge, but refuse to share it, are not being "charitable" but "elitist". Actually the word "coward" is more appropos. I suggest that you fuck right off. So predictable - that's all you got left in your war chest, isn't it? Heh. It beats the heck out of your pathetic baiting attempts. |
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| Circuit Breaker User ID: 1332648 United States02/12/2012 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think in terms of "success" and "failure". That's way too "black and white". The world is more infinite shades of gray. Quoting: **ZetaMax** Spin, spin, spin. Many things are simply black and white - true or false. Something either exists or it does not. A prediction either happens or it FAILS. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
