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Now, when Clif says he was "making stuff up" - that is nothing more than saying he was offering his OPINION.
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Wow, talk about denial.
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And predictably, you all of course take that ONE isolated sentence, cherry picked out of hours of dialogue,"observations" so stubbornly.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Please elaborate on why you think that sentence is out of the context of that interview. I don't think it is.


But conversely, it is also the case that humans can mistakenly think there are no patterns when in fact they simply fail to recognize them. No better example exists than Champollion decoding the Rosetta stone. Sometimes it just takes an extremely intelligent, insightful and innovative person to recognize a pattern that literally EVERYONE else before him failed to comprehend.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


The difference here is that the translation of the Rosetta stone has been confirmed beyond question by thousands if not tens of thousands of researchers.

Phil's (you mean Clif's) "patterns" have failed to correspond to any actual events in observable reality---spectacularly failed I would say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3559821


I *LOVE* the fact that you couldn't even get his name right. That shows how much familiarity you really have with the man's work --- NONE.

Of course the Rosetta stone has been "confirmed" - AFTER THE FACT. DUH.

Clif's biggest prediction of them ALL lies just in front of us -- THE DATA GAP and DISCONTINUITY (as he calls it). He's been calling this out for YEARS, and has been VERY consistent about it.

You can crow about his "spectacular" failures in 2013 when nothing of significance has happened, oil is under $130 a barrel, the dollar is still stable, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is down, and housing prices are up.

Until then, I'd try not to "jump the gun".
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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And who was it who just lost $150 by being manipulated by Nancy Lieder?
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Ban melfy!
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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And who was it who just lost $150 by being manipulated by Nancy Lieder?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880


Moi - what's your point? I *KNOW* I was manipulated, I know how I was manipulated, and I know WHY I was manipulated. It's all about CONTROL. Most folks are easily manipulated through MAINSTREAM media, science, education, entertainment and religion.

But what about those who think outside the box? Those who wander down the roads "less traveled"?

Consider UFO's. MOST people are duped into thinking they don't exist when their high school physics 101 teacher says it's a bunch of nonsense. Many will NEVER question the reality of them again after that.

But some students will DOUBT the all-mighty high school physics 101 teacher. For them, a more sophisticated approach is needed.

Enter the Dr. Greer's, and Nancy Lieder's. I've speculated from DAY ONE that Nancy was the public face of a sophisticated "psyop". An operation designed precisely to target and vector people LIKE ME.

So why did I fall for it - even though I saw the potential, even the LIKLIHOOD that it was a "farce".

Because I was EMOTIONALLY desperate.

How so?

I see where this world is heading AND I DON'T LIKE IT. I see a 1984 style fully controlled society being built RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES and that bothers me - a LOT.

Doesn't it bother you? Hap?

So I latched onto a "meme" that offered hope that this trend would not succeed. Granted, it was a desperate hope, but you know what they say:

ANY PORT IN A STORM.

But now I've traveled from Nancy Bay to Clif Harbor.

I've UPGRADED.

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Gee, and some of those "illusions" sell for MILLIONS of dollars. But if someone pays $300 for alta data, or $10 for a shape report, they're "gullible" and Clif is a SCAM artist.

SEE - he **IS** an artist!!!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Yeah - a CON-artist. There's a HUGE difference between being an artist and someone who makes shit up and then sells it as truth...and you know it. So quit spinning this. Or are you really that far in to denial?
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You can crow about his "spectacular" failures in 2013 when nothing of significance has happened, oil is under $130 a barrel, the dollar is still stable, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is down, and housing prices are up.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I'll crow about his failures now considering how many he's had...and I'll crow about it in just two weeks when he adds another to the list.
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And who was it who just lost $150 by being manipulated by Nancy Lieder?
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SLAM! +1000000000
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You can crow about his "spectacular" failures in 2013 when nothing of significance has happened, oil is under $130 a barrel, the dollar is still stable, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is down, and housing prices are up.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I'll crow about his failures now considering how many he's had...and I'll crow about it in just two weeks when he adds another to the list.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


You have been WARNED!!!
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You have been WARNED!!!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Oh no! I'm trembling in fear! Help me, Max! *sarcasm*
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You have been WARNED!!!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Oh no! I'm trembling in fear! Help me, Max! *sarcasm*
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


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paidshill
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Yes, Max...we know you're a paid shill...first for Nancy and now Clif.

While quite old now, here's the evidence:

maxpay

BTW, you never did tell us why User outed you like that. I mean, it's obvious to everyone...why else would you continue to jubilantly support known liars/failed prophets unless you were getting paid? Was he jealous that you got to stay on the payroll while he got the axe?

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You can crow about his "spectacular" failures in 2013 when nothing of significance has happened, oil is under $130 a barrel, the dollar is still stable, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is down, and housing prices are up.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I'll crow about his failures now considering how many he's had...and I'll crow about it in just two weeks when he adds another to the list.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


You have been WARNED!!!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Oh jeez...are you going to post another "SOON" alarm clock? You've used that image so many times that it's become tedious and benal.

Let's see how smart you are...one of the supposed "dates" that Clif trots out is March 2nd. So do you know what is supposed to occur on that date that will have a significant impact on a certain country's path?

You only get one guess.
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Ban melfy!
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Don't ban him. That would be the end of the thread.
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I *LOVE* the fact that you couldn't even get his name right. That shows how much familiarity you really have with the man's work --- NONE.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Jeez. You think one with your track record would be sympathetic to someone who made a little "mistake." :)

I've been on this site for years reading who knows how many threads on Clif and his bots,---prediction after prediction, all failures.

You can crow about his "spectacular" failures in 2013 when nothing of significance has happened, oil is under $130 a barrel, the dollar is still stable, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is down, and housing prices are up.

Until then, I'd try not to "jump the gun".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


See, this is typical rationalization for ineffective prophets.

Clif is once again predicting something on the scale of the end of recorded history and you're saying housing prices being down would make him right.
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I *LOVE* the fact that you couldn't even get his name right. That shows how much familiarity you really have with the man's work --- NONE.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Jeez. You think one with your track record would be sympathetic to someone who made a little "mistake." :)

I've been on this site for years reading who knows how many threads on Clif and his bots,---prediction after prediction, all failures.

You can crow about his "spectacular" failures in 2013 when nothing of significance has happened, oil is under $130 a barrel, the dollar is still stable, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is down, and housing prices are up.

Until then, I'd try not to "jump the gun".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


See, this is typical rationalization for ineffective prophets.

Clif is once again predicting something on the scale of the end of recorded history and you're saying housing prices being down would make him right.
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>> Clif is once again predicting something on the scale of the end of recorded history and you're saying housing prices being down would make him right.

Not exactly. I'm "painting a picture" of normalcy that we all can expect if things stay ... well ... NORMAL.

Clif is predicting that things DON'T STAY NORMAL - on an EPIC scale.

So by the end of this year, if things stay anywhere near "normal", then I'd have to agree that his FAIL was pretty SPECTACULAR.

But it's MORE than a little soonx for that!!!!!
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But the important thing to understand, is that if this doesn't happen, it will almost certainly be because of Clif's warning. Therefore a "fail" is a WIN!!!!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


spin

Anything to get out of admitting he was wrong. This isn't surprising. And that's why I agree with any decision to ban you. You've proven, without a doubt, that you are a troll. And possibly a paid one at that.

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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And who was it who just lost $150 by being manipulated by Nancy Lieder?
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Moi - what's your point? I *KNOW* I was manipulated, I know how I was manipulated, and I know WHY I was manipulated. It's all about CONTROL. Most folks are easily manipulated through MAINSTREAM media, science, education, entertainment and religion.

But what about those who think outside the box? Those who wander down the roads "less traveled"?

Consider UFO's. MOST people are duped into thinking they don't exist when their high school physics 101 teacher says it's a bunch of nonsense. Many will NEVER question the reality of them again after that.

But some students will DOUBT the all-mighty high school physics 101 teacher. For them, a more sophisticated approach is needed.

Enter the Dr. Greer's, and Nancy Lieder's. I've speculated from DAY ONE that Nancy was the public face of a sophisticated "psyop". An operation designed precisely to target and vector people LIKE ME.

So why did I fall for it - even though I saw the potential, even the LIKLIHOOD that it was a "farce".

Because I was EMOTIONALLY desperate.

How so?

I see where this world is heading AND I DON'T LIKE IT. I see a 1984 style fully controlled society being built RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES and that bothers me - a LOT.

Doesn't it bother you? Hap?

So I latched onto a "meme" that offered hope that this trend would not succeed. Granted, it was a desperate hope, but you know what they say:

ANY PORT IN A STORM.

But now I've traveled from Nancy Bay to Clif Harbor.

I've UPGRADED.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


So do you now acknowledge the intellectual contortions in which you had to engage in order to try to accept Nancy's story and rationalize her lies? I mean, you're not a stupid person, so why the massive suspension of logic for so long?
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I see that Astro's posts have now been removed from that other thread by "Taragula" or something like that. Hilarious!
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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And who was it who just lost $150 by being manipulated by Nancy Lieder?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880


Moi - what's your point? I *KNOW* I was manipulated, I know how I was manipulated, and I know WHY I was manipulated. It's all about CONTROL. Most folks are easily manipulated through MAINSTREAM media, science, education, entertainment and religion.

But what about those who think outside the box? Those who wander down the roads "less traveled"?

Consider UFO's. MOST people are duped into thinking they don't exist when their high school physics 101 teacher says it's a bunch of nonsense. Many will NEVER question the reality of them again after that.

But some students will DOUBT the all-mighty high school physics 101 teacher. For them, a more sophisticated approach is needed.

Enter the Dr. Greer's, and Nancy Lieder's. I've speculated from DAY ONE that Nancy was the public face of a sophisticated "psyop". An operation designed precisely to target and vector people LIKE ME.

So why did I fall for it - even though I saw the potential, even the LIKLIHOOD that it was a "farce".

Because I was EMOTIONALLY desperate.

How so?

I see where this world is heading AND I DON'T LIKE IT. I see a 1984 style fully controlled society being built RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES and that bothers me - a LOT.

Doesn't it bother you? Hap?

So I latched onto a "meme" that offered hope that this trend would not succeed. Granted, it was a desperate hope, but you know what they say:

ANY PORT IN A STORM.

But now I've traveled from Nancy Bay to Clif Harbor.

I've UPGRADED.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


So do you now acknowledge the intellectual contortions in which you had to engage in order to try to accept Nancy's story and rationalize her lies? I mean, you're not a stupid person, so why the massive suspension of logic for so long?
 Quoting: Menow 11055425


>> So do you now acknowledge the intellectual contortions in which you had to engage in order to try to accept Nancy's story and rationalize her lies?

Sure - why not.

>> I mean, you're not a stupid person, so why the massive suspension of logic for so long?

Same reason billions of religious all over the world "suspend their logic". I didn't "like" the direction my "logic" was taking me. It's hard to live a satisfying life if one thinks we're all fucked, and there's nothing we can do about it. With such an outlook, it's not difficult at all to embrace "the thin edge of the wedge" as you put it.
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You're either trolling or terminally stupid, or both.

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I decided a long time ago it must be trolling. Nobody can be that stupid.

It's kind of like Iran. They realized that all they have to do is talk about blocking the Strait of Hormuz and speculation causes oil prices to spike making them, and all other oil producers, more money without them having to actually do a damn thing. And you don't expect them to take full advantage of it?

All Max has to do is post one stupid statement and he gets all the attention that he wants.
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I decided a long time ago it must be trolling. Nobody can be that stupid.

It's kind of like Iran. They realized that all they have to do is talk about blocking the Strait of Hormuz and speculation causes oil prices to spike making them, and all other oil producers, more money without them having to actually do a damn thing. And you don't expect them to take full advantage of it?

All Max has to do is post one stupid statement and he gets all the attention that he wants.
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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.
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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.
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LOL! The irony of that statement. How are we being manipulated? Explain in detail - keeping in mind that you're the one that tried to get people to believe Nancy's claims about "Planet X." It was you that was so desperate to believe that you even came up with "screened memories" to explain why the constellations appeared right where they should be even though Nancy claims the Earth is halted in orbit and is wobbling about unpredictably. You continued to do so regardless of how many times her claims were proven false. Now, you're doing the same for Clif...you're so desperate to believe him that you even said that if his March 2nd prediction fails it's because his warning saved us all. So, you're the one being manipulated...and you're trying to manipulate us. We simply see through it.
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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.
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LOL! The irony of that statement. How are we being manipulated? Explain in detail - keeping in mind that you're the one that tried to get people to believe Nancy's claims about "Planet X." It was you that was so desperate to believe that you even came up with "screened memories" to explain why the constellations appeared right where they should be even though Nancy claims the Earth is halted in orbit and is wobbling about unpredictably. You continued to do so regardless of how many times her claims were proven false. Now, you're doing the same for Clif...you're so desperate to believe him that you even said that if his March 2nd prediction fails it's because his warning saved us all. So, you're the one being manipulated...and you're trying to manipulate us. We simply see through it.
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Total irony. The debunkers have been consistently right, probably because they research before they come to a conclusion. Probably because we paid attention in high school science and developed critical thinking skills. Not like Max and his chicken little friends. They just believe anything and don't want to dig any deeper, in case they find they have put their belief on a steaming pile of bullshit.
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This DEFINITELY wouldn't be possible on the same day every February if the Earth were halted in orbit or wobbling about unpredictably.

[link to news.yahoo.com]

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That is precisely the kind of "cherry picking" I would expect from a paid shill, or one who's mind is already made up about someone, and who goes fishing for tidbits - taken COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT - to "support" their position.
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It's amazing how that describes you Max.
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By the way, if you take the initals of the "New World Order" and turn them backward - you get OWN.

Guess you're OK with that - huh?
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Considering it describes you so well, I have no problem with it. First you were owned by Nancy and now by Clif...but that's not my problem...it's yours.
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He has assigned an "emotional value" to about 300,000 words. The word "terrorist" would have an emotional value of 9 or 10, and the word "flange" might get a 3 or 4 and a word like "oleoresin" might get a 1. He will then do a "run", and his spyders will visit millions of sites look for words with high emotional values. When he finds one like "terrorist" - he will then grab the three or four words preceding it, and three or four words following it. When run is complete he will look for phrases that match, or come very close to matching (or that have matching substrings). If the software determines that say, fifteen phrases with the word "terrorist" in them, are the "same" (in that they pass the "same" test - however that is coded), that "phrase" will appear in the alta report. So the alta report is really about 300 pages of these "phrases". Each run produces a new alta report, with 300 pages of different phrases.

When Clif writes a "shape" report, he will reference these phrases by putting brackets around them. For instance, the phrase [dollar death] is one that shows up a lot. Sometimes very unexpected phrases show up like the number 1.289 billion which in Clif's "opinion" is the number of deaths we can expect if the powers that be have Israel attack Iran.

The number 1.289 is NOT Clif's "opinion" in that it does indeed appear in an alta report. Clif's "opinion" goes toward suggesting that it represents the number of future deaths resulting from war and the [Israeli mistake] - another phrase. So when Clif says "1.289 billion are going to die", he's kind of "lying" because the alta report is NOT that detailed. He's filling in the details when he attempts to put all these phrases together into a coherent picture that tells a story we can understand. BUT THE THREE HUNDRED PAGES OF PHRASES provide a lot material that one can attempt to "assemble" with "lies" as the glue.

And anyone can do it - the three hundred pages of phrases can be purchased for around $300 and YOU can use your own "lies" to cobble together the phrases any way you want.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Based on your rather terse interpretation of what Clif is doing, I come to the conclusion that Clif is taking page upon page of unrelated phrases gleaned out of context from multiple sites (they are out of context because he's not using the full context) then throwing his significant bias into the the interpretation.

Essentially, he is coming up with his own bullshit - just like Nancy uses her bias to warp what's going on in the world to fit her "poleshift" beliefs.

Basically, it's ALL BULLSHIT!

...and you're gullible enough to send him money for his snakeoil interpretations of world events.
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