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Here's the original text from the capture I did on 4/13:

"The shot was taken on 4/10 at 22:00 GMT, so from the dark side of the Earth, looking slightly toward the WEST (on
the left) but basically out into space. The Moon is to the West also, but SW at 240 degrees, is supposed to be above
the Ecliptic (confirmed with Skymap) and 3/4 full, so this is not the Moon. The Moon would not be in a north view,
in fact, but would require a solid west view."


Here's what is posted now:

"The shot was taken on 4/10 at 22:00 GMT, so from the dark side of the Earth, looking slightly toward the WEST (on the right) but basically out into space. The Moon is to the West also, but SW at 240 degrees, is supposed to be above the Ecliptic (confirmed with Skymap) and 3/4 full, so this is not the Moon. The Moon would not be in a South view, in fact, but would require the cam to be looking in the other direction."

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I think Nancy actually had one bit right the first time, but then reversed it to being wrong the second time. It's in red. She clearly has no idea what she is talking about.
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Wait... now *I'm* concused- I think what I just posted is wrong... at least I will ADMIT it!
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"Concused". Pretty funny. Of course I meant confused.
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Pretty red handed nabbing of changing prophecy after the fact.
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And then there's Free Store....who moved his family, built a bunker and prepared for the end. Then - nothing happened. But instead of realizing the error of his ways, he continued to cling to his belief that "Planet X" was coming. His wife, on the other hand, did come back to reality. She tried to get Free Store to give up on "Planet X" but he wouldn't - so she left.

:free:

Free Store is so dedicated to Nancy and "Planet X" that, in August 2007, he declared he would commit suicide in September if it didn't show up. Fortunately, he didn't...but only because he claimed "Planet X" did show up. When "debunkers" tried to discuss the situation with him, he claimed to have called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and filed a report with them that if anything should happen to him they should investigate the "debunkers" on this thread. What a laugh. Not ONE "debunker" ever threatened him...if anything, the RCMP would find that the only one who threatened him harm was himself.

Now, here we are several years later...and instead of admitting the errors of his ways, he has simply disappeared. Pretty much like we predicted he would.
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And then there's Free Store....who moved his family, built a bunker and prepared for the end. Then - nothing happened. But instead of realizing the error of his ways, he continued to cling to his belief that "Planet X" was coming. His wife, on the other hand, did come back to reality. She tried to get Free Store to give up on "Planet X" but he wouldn't - so she left.

:free:

Free Store is so dedicated to Nancy and "Planet X" that, in August 2007, he declared he would commit suicide in September if it didn't show up. Fortunately, he didn't...but only because he claimed "Planet X" did show up. When "debunkers" tried to discuss the situation with him, he claimed to have called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and filed a report with them that if anything should happen to him they should investigate the "debunkers" on this thread. What a laugh. Not ONE "debunker" ever threatened him...if anything, the RCMP would find that the only one who threatened him harm was himself.

Now, here we are several years later...and instead of admitting the errors of his ways, he has simply disappeared. Pretty much like we predicted he would.
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Thanks for all them years of laughs, turkey. Never married but maybe after the Pole Shift.....
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Yes. What about the actual "Zetatalk" below that? The crucial issue is that she has altered the bit between the official "SOZT" and "EOZT" markers.

Can all this be made to appear as a screenshot on that Zetasquawk site or somewhere?
 Quoting: Menow 14092435


Original from 04/13/2012 9:14pm

SOZT 4/13/12
Clearly not the Moon (which was nearly Full and in any case behind the cam) nor the Sun (as the object appears in the middle of the night just before and after midnight), this is a capture of the Dark Twin. The cam is on the S Pole, looking North, and as such the cam, or a human viewer, would be looking at midnight directly out into space on the dark side of Earth. Looking to the left is looking West, which is where the Dark Twin rides.

We had warned that the twin would tend to move BEHIND the Earth as these planets are squeezed in the cup, and thence escape by moving back into space behind the Earth. There are also other possibilities, one of which is to have the twin pass the Earth and attempt to escape by moving forward in their shared orbit. At present, the twin is caught slightly behind the Earth in their shared orbit, and moving outside of their orbit back into space.
EOZT

Current:

"SOZT 4/13/12

Clearly not the Moon (which was nearly Full and in any case behind the cam) nor the Sun (as the object appears in the middle of the night just before and after midnight), this is a capture of the Dark Twin. The cam is near the S Pole, looking at the North facing side of the structure, and as such the cam, or a human viewer, would be hanging upside down looking directly out into space on the dark side of Earth. Where the Dark Twin should be riding to the West, behind the Earth in their shared orbit, it appears to be almost overhead, directly behind and somewhat to the South of the Earth.



We had warned that the twin would tend to move BEHIND the Earth as these planets are squeezed in the cup, and thence escape by moving back into space behind the Earth, passing the Earth in their shared orbit. We mentioned these possibilities, that the Dark Twin would pass the Earth and attempt to escape by moving forward in their shared orbit. At present, the twin is caught behind the Earth in their shared orbit, and moving along outside of their orbit behind the Earth out in space. It is trying to evade conflict with the Earth by dropping below the Ecliptic somewhat, as it attempt to slide past the Earth.

EOZT

Significant changes between the original and what is currently posted. I should note, however, that I have not highlighted all the differences between the two versions of the post.

As for the pdf capture that I copied the original post from, it has not been altered in any way except to extract the one page from the original nine page document.

capture: [link to www.zetasquawk.com]

I should also note that she has a big problem with directions. The camera is not facing WEST, it is facing EAST. I will be providing an image capture from the camera that shows the Moon in the sky with a comparison image from Cartes du Ciel for the same position, date and time.

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What is this "cup" Nancy keep talking about?
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Thanks for all them years of laughs, turkey. Never married but maybe after the Pole Shift.....
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lolatu

Yes it was quite obvious that you had a longtime burning desire to "bed" and eventually "marry" your doomsday "wetdream", aka Ms Nancy LIEDer, before the geographical poleshift that never was.

lol4me fortunately for Ms LIEDer her sole "handmaiden" desires were towards her glorious Overlords, The Zetas, thus preventing her from ever having to address your pathetic attempts, Mr FrEaKy, to persuade Nancy to move in with you in your secluded "doomsday" bunker way out there in the dense woods of Canada.

Now crawl back from whence you came you freaken loon

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I think Nancy actually had one bit right the first time, but then reversed it to being wrong the second time. It's in red. She clearly has no idea what she is talking about.
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Here's the rather quickly put together page showing which way the Neumayer Station III camera is facing.


[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
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Thanks for all them years of laughs, turkey. Never married but maybe after the Pole Shift.....
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This is proof positive that either Nancy or her minions monitor what goes on here. Free Store hasn't been around here in a long time. Someone must have told him.

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Thanks for all them years of laughs, turkey. Never married but maybe after the Pole Shift.....
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This is proof positive that either Nancy or her minions monitor what goes on here. Free Store hasn't been around here in a long time. Someone must have told him.
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Freaky probably never left, and even one as rock hard stupid as he is must get tired of his manifest shortcomings being pointed out at such great length.
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Here's the rather quickly put together page showing which way the Neumayer Station III camera is facing.


[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
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I think Nancy NOW says the cam faces south, but also says that as Earth rotates the cam looks west. As usual, what she says is pretty confusing- intentionally so, I suspect.
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Here's the rather quickly put together page showing which way the Neumayer Station III camera is facing.


[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
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I think Nancy NOW says the cam faces south, but also says that as Earth rotates the cam looks west. As usual, what she says is pretty confusing- intentionally so, I suspect.
 Quoting: Menow 14092435


Nancy is always confused.

"The shot was taken on 4/10 at 22:00 GMT, so from the dark side of the Earth, looking slightly toward the WEST (on the right) but basically out into space. The Moon is to the West also, but SW at 240 degrees, is supposed to be above the Ecliptic (confirmed with Skymap) and 3/4 full, so this is not the Moon. The Moon would not be in a South view, in fact, but would require the cam to be looking in the other direction."

Based on a quick comparison with the image I posted and Cartes du Ciel, the camera faces roughly 125° azimuth.

As for her claiming that the Moon would be in the west, on 4/09/12 (that's the timestamp on her posted image, not 4/10/12), the Moon at Neumayer Station III would be at roughly 89° azimuth with an altitude of roughly 21 altitude (Cartes du Ciel numbers).

Obviously, she doesn't even know how to use a simple program like Skymap.

I have no idea where she's coming up with the "...as the Earth rotates the cam looks west...". Does she think in Antarctica directions change because it's so far south?

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Here's the rather quickly put together page showing which way the Neumayer Station III camera is facing.


[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
 Quoting: bob_909


I think Nancy NOW says the cam faces south, but also says that as Earth rotates the cam looks west. As usual, what she says is pretty confusing- intentionally so, I suspect.
 Quoting: Menow 14092435



[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Zetas" say(now, since Nancy changed it):


"...and as such the cam, or a human viewer, would be hanging upside down looking directly out into space on the dark side of Earth. Where the Dark Twin should be riding to the West, behind the Earth in their shared orbit, it appears to be almost overhead, directly behind and somewhat to the South of the Earth."

WTF does that even mean?
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OMG. Look at this!


"Conceptual Diagram of Dark Twin Positioning"

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
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Here's the rather quickly put together page showing which way the Neumayer Station III camera is facing.


[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
 Quoting: bob_909


I think Nancy NOW says the cam faces south, but also says that as Earth rotates the cam looks west. As usual, what she says is pretty confusing- intentionally so, I suspect.
 Quoting: Menow 14092435



[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Zetas" say(now, since Nancy changed it):


"...and as such the cam, or a human viewer, would be hanging upside down looking directly out into space on the dark side of Earth. Where the Dark Twin should be riding to the West, behind the Earth in their shared orbit, it appears to be almost overhead, directly behind and somewhat to the South of the Earth."

WTF does that even mean?
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Makes absolutely no sense. West, overhead, behind, South?

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OMG. Look at this!


"Conceptual Diagram of Dark Twin Positioning"

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
 Quoting: Menow 14092435


That makes no sense either. The first image on that has a sunset image to the right which would be East - don't they know that the Sun sets in the West?
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OMG. Look at this!


"Conceptual Diagram of Dark Twin Positioning"

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
 Quoting: Menow 14092435


That makes no sense either. The first image on that has a sunset image to the right which would be East - don't they know that the Sun sets in the West?
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Yeah. I looked further into that one. It was taken in Taxas last fall or so, supposedly after the sun went down. It obviously *IS* the sun, through some clouds. Point being- they had the "Dark Twin" somewhere in the same direction as the sun last fall and now they have it the opposite direction.

Funny how the neither of the two people who try to show where things were during this latest "capture" show the location of the moon. It would be obvious that it wasn't behind the cam, as Nancy tries to claim. Heh.
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Zetas" say(now, since Nancy changed it):


"...and as such the cam, or a human viewer, would be hanging upside down looking directly out into space on the dark side of Earth. Where the Dark Twin should be riding to the West, behind the Earth in their shared orbit, it appears to be almost overhead, directly behind and somewhat to the South of the Earth."

WTF does that even mean?
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I have no idea - but Nancy's brain dead followers believe it.
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What you see on these pictures of the Neumayer station are obviously lense flares. You can even look through the objects and they manifest in front of a building.

Nancy`s lame excuse that the earth would bend the light of an object somehow are pretty weird because we can not see such an effect with the naked eye (and of course not with a camera). We would need a phenomenon like a big black hole to be able to do a visible bending of light. Nancy has no idea what she is talking about, as she has not even basic astronomic skills.

But what do you want to expect from nobrainers who run around with old floppy disks to find non-existing planets. Of course they create a lot of lenseflares with this again. Nancy should rename her project in "Lensflaretalk" ...5a
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And then there's Free Store....who moved his family, built a bunker and prepared for the end. Then - nothing happened. But instead of realizing the error of his ways, he continued to cling to his belief that "Planet X" was coming. His wife, on the other hand, did come back to reality. She tried to get Free Store to give up on "Planet X" but he wouldn't - so she left.

:free:

Free Store is so dedicated to Nancy and "Planet X" that, in August 2007, he declared he would commit suicide in September if it didn't show up. Fortunately, he didn't...but only because he claimed "Planet X" did show up. When "debunkers" tried to discuss the situation with him, he claimed to have called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and filed a report with them that if anything should happen to him they should investigate the "debunkers" on this thread. What a laugh. Not ONE "debunker" ever threatened him...if anything, the RCMP would find that the only one who threatened him harm was himself.

Now, here we are several years later...and instead of admitting the errors of his ways, he has simply disappeared. Pretty much like we predicted he would.
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Thanks for all them years of laughs, turkey. Never married but maybe after the Pole Shift.....
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So, Freestore, what do you think of Nancy altering existing ZETATALK when the almighty "Zetas" screw up?
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I think Freestore has just admitted that he was always just being a troll. He never believed Nancy and was role playing for kicks. That means that Nancy never really had Freestore or Max on her side, and they were just pretending to be her biggest fans. Thanks for the laughs, Freestore. I am a little encouraged that you may not be as stupid and gullible as your internet alter ego. I always suspected you were a troll. More bad news for Nancy.
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I think Freestore has just admitted that he was always just being a troll. He never believed Nancy and was role playing for kicks. That means that Nancy never really had Freestore or Max on her side, and they were just pretending to be her biggest fans. Thanks for the laughs, Freestore. I am a little encouraged that you may not be as stupid and gullible as your internet alter ego. I always suspected you were a troll. More bad news for Nancy.
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Yeah, there is a name for it, but many times it is impossible to tell the difference between a "troll" and a "true believer" . I know that people like Freestore, Max and Volar behave like they don't have two brain cells to rub together while, on the other hand, they create complicated and convoluted "explainations" for why a mythical planet must really exist- something a truly stupid person can't really do.

On the third hand, Nancy Lieder certainly believes what she says... It's a mystery.
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And then there's Free Store....who moved his family, built a bunker and prepared for the end. Then - nothing happened. But instead of realizing the error of his ways, he continued to cling to his belief that "Planet X" was coming. His wife, on the other hand, did come back to reality. She tried to get Free Store to give up on "Planet X" but he wouldn't - so she left.

:free:

Free Store is so dedicated to Nancy and "Planet X" that, in August 2007, he declared he would commit suicide in September if it didn't show up. Fortunately, he didn't...but only because he claimed "Planet X" did show up. When "debunkers" tried to discuss the situation with him, he claimed to have called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and filed a report with them that if anything should happen to him they should investigate the "debunkers" on this thread. What a laugh. Not ONE "debunker" ever threatened him...if anything, the RCMP would find that the only one who threatened him harm was himself.

Now, here we are several years later...and instead of admitting the errors of his ways, he has simply disappeared. Pretty much like we predicted he would.
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Thanks for all them years of laughs, turkey. Never married but maybe after the Pole Shift.....
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As usual, I fail to grok him.
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Here's the rather quickly put together page showing which way the Neumayer Station III camera is facing.


[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
 Quoting: bob_909


I think Nancy NOW says the cam faces south, but also says that as Earth rotates the cam looks west. As usual, what she says is pretty confusing- intentionally so, I suspect.
 Quoting: Menow 14092435



[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Zetas" say(now, since Nancy changed it):


"...and as such the cam, or a human viewer, would be hanging upside down looking directly out into space on the dark side of Earth. Where the Dark Twin should be riding to the West, behind the Earth in their shared orbit, it appears to be almost overhead, directly behind and somewhat to the South of the Earth."

WTF does that even mean?
 Quoting: Menow 14092435


all that stood out was

This is not ZetaTalk, but merely NancyTalk, an old woman who did some scientific research because, except for Alison, you'all are TOO LAZY.

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Pray that no one in North Freedom asks her for directions to the local supermarket, they'd find themselves in Canada.
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lol4me No element of doubt there.
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What you see on these pictures of the Neumayer station are obviously lense flares. You can even look through the objects and they manifest in front of a building.

Nancy`s lame excuse that the earth would bend the light of an object somehow are pretty weird because we can not see such an effect with the naked eye (and of course not with a camera). We would need a phenomenon like a big black hole to be able to do a visible bending of light. Nancy has no idea what she is talking about, as she has not even basic astronomic skills.
 Quoting: Ironhearts 14639248


Very true. If the gravity of the Earth, Sun or even "Planet X" were strong enough to bend light that much - then how can astronomers image celestial objects at all? It would mean they wouldn't find objects of interest at the expected coordinates because the light from those objects would be somewhere else due to being bent by gravitational forces. In addition, if light is bent that much that objects appear in front of buildings on photos, why isn't the same affect seen with the naked eye?

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Volar cracks me up in their "Planet X" cover up thread.

He claims he wants people to seek the truth about "Planet X." But when part of seeking the truth involves getting the proper equipment and/or contacting a local astronomy club, he goes out of his way to discourage such action by making excuses such as saying that a cheap camera and old floppy disk provide the best means to see "Planet X" by the sun and claiming that all astronomy clubs are NASA sponsored and, therefore, have scheduled agendas. The ONLY information he wants people to see in their search for the truth is that which has Nancy's seal of approval - which also happen to be her sites.

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What you see on these pictures of the Neumayer station are obviously lense flares. You can even look through the objects and they manifest in front of a building.

Nancy`s lame excuse that the earth would bend the light of an object somehow are pretty weird because we can not see such an effect with the naked eye (and of course not with a camera). We would need a phenomenon like a big black hole to be able to do a visible bending of light. Nancy has no idea what she is talking about, as she has not even basic astronomic skills.
 Quoting: Ironhearts 14639248


Very true. If the gravity of the Earth, Sun or even "Planet X" were strong enough to bend light that much - then how can astronomers image celestial objects at all? It would mean they wouldn't find objects of interest at the expected coordinates because the light from those objects would be somewhere else due to being bent by gravitational forces. In addition, if light is bent that much that objects appear in front of buildings on photos, why isn't the same affect seen with the naked eye?
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