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Sigh.

Here is a site that predicted what the motion of the Venus Transit would be from any given location. It followed the path exactly. What people don't seem to realize is that Earth is traveling too.

[link to transitofvenus.nl]

Click on different locations, and it will show you the path. People don't seem to realize when viewed with respect to the local horizon, Venus’ trajectory across the solar disk was be a curve, because in its daily course through the sky, the solar disk rotates with respect to the horizon.

[link to transitofvenus.nl]

These sites were all up LONG before the transit. Did no Zeta-Believer look them up?

I would love this to be reposted on the Ning, but alas know it is a forlorn hope.
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Sigh.

Here is a site that predicted what the motion of the Venus Transit would be from any given location. It followed the path exactly. What people don't seem to realize is that Earth is traveling too.

[link to transitofvenus.nl]

Click on different locations, and it will show you the path. People don't seem to realize when viewed with respect to the local horizon, Venus’ trajectory across the solar disk was be a curve, because in its daily course through the sky, the solar disk rotates with respect to the horizon.

[link to transitofvenus.nl]

These sites were all up LONG before the transit. Did no Zeta-Believer look them up?

I would love this to be reposted on the Ning, but alas know it is a forlorn hope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Excellent- thanks! The only accept what Nancy says. All outside forces are "evil", in true cult fashion. For how long have they believed it when Nancy says the Moon shouldn't appear to "rotate" as we see it do, crossing the sky? It's truly hopeless.
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Excellent- thanks! The only accept what Nancy says. All outside forces are "evil", in true cult fashion. For how long have they believed it when Nancy says the Moon shouldn't appear to "rotate" as we see it do, crossing the sky? It's truly hopeless.
 Quoting: Menow 2064990


True and truly hopeless. The ning is essentially a circle-jerk of true believers who eagerly await the next proclamation from on-high (i.e., the old bat in Wisconsin).

No matter what someone posts that debunks her crap will be dismissed by her sheep...only the rare few will finally wake up and decamp the ning to see how much time they've wasted believing her.

Nancy's true enemy is not the government or debunkers . . . it's time. At age 71 she doesn't have much time left considering her health problems. It's also been nine years since her big fail and the lame-ass white lie. How many more years can she continue to string along her followers?

Eventually, it will come to pass that Nancy will no longer be able to continue to rant about the fantastical pole shift...when that day comes, her web of bad science, ignorance, and outright stupidity will collapse and they'll be a few thousand red-faced followers who finally come to the conclusion and realization that it was all bullshit.
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1053 pages and this thread has only been up for a few days.
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edit: never mind, blonde moment.

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Google lothar red filter. They have to keep making up stuff to try to prove there is a rogue imaginary planet next to the sun.
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Excellent- thanks! The only accept what Nancy says. All outside forces are "evil", in true cult fashion. For how long have they believed it when Nancy says the Moon shouldn't appear to "rotate" as we see it do, crossing the sky? It's truly hopeless.
 Quoting: Menow 2064990


True and truly hopeless. The ning is essentially a circle-jerk of true believers who eagerly await the next proclamation from on-high (i.e., the old bat in Wisconsin).

No matter what someone posts that debunks her crap will be dismissed by her sheep...only the rare few will finally wake up and decamp the ning to see how much time they've wasted believing her.

Nancy's true enemy is not the government or debunkers . . . it's time. At age 71 she doesn't have much time left considering her health problems. It's also been nine years since her big fail and the lame-ass white lie. How many more years can she continue to string along her followers?

Eventually, it will come to pass that Nancy will no longer be able to continue to rant about the fantastical pole shift...when that day comes, her web of bad science, ignorance, and outright stupidity will collapse and they'll be a few thousand red-faced followers who finally come to the conclusion and realization that it was all bullshit.
 Quoting: bob_909

the problem is that there is always a new set of sheeple to step up and be conned by her, over the years almost all of her original flock have fallen away (have a look at how few of the original posse still are around)

Until she is safely underground, she will continue to attract sad and gullible people who's lives are so unhappy they actually wish for world wide destruction

Oh yes- its a cult alright
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True and truly hopeless. The ning is essentially a circle-jerk of true believers who eagerly await the next proclamation from on-high (i.e., the old bat in Wisconsin).

No matter what someone posts that debunks her crap will be dismissed by her sheep...only the rare few will finally wake up and decamp the ning to see how much time they've wasted believing her.

Nancy's true enemy is not the government or debunkers . . . it's time. At age 71 she doesn't have much time left considering her health problems. It's also been nine years since her big fail and the lame-ass white lie. How many more years can she continue to string along her followers?

Eventually, it will come to pass that Nancy will no longer be able to continue to rant about the fantastical pole shift...when that day comes, her web of bad science, ignorance, and outright stupidity will collapse and they'll be a few thousand red-faced followers who finally come to the conclusion and realization that it was all bullshit.
 Quoting: bob_909


Didn't you know? Gerard has been well versed in all things ZetaTalk and how to keep the weak-minded on the hook. When Nancy dies he'll simply fill the void she vacated. Whether he'll do it was well is hard to say.
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June 7/8/9 - Economic and political scandal surfaces in USA.
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Well, Max...no economic or political scandal. No big doom. Clif wrong AGAIN!!

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1053 pages and this thread has only been up for a few days.
holy mother..
edit: never mind, blonde moment.
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dwagain
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June 7/8/9 - Economic and political scandal surfaces in USA.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Well, Max...no economic or political scandal. No big doom. Clif wrong AGAIN!!

failbewithyou
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Ron Paul QUIT - and effed over his mass of supporters. I'd say THAT is a SCANDAL!

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1053 pages and this thread has only been up for a few days.
holy mother..
edit: never mind, blonde moment.
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dwagain
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He wasn't wrong about anything. He clearly made a mistake and admitted it.

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Ron Paul QUIT - and effed over his mass of supporters. I'd say THAT is a SCANDAL!
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Grasping at straws I see. Dropping out of the Presidential race is hardly a scandal. It isn't even close.

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Didn't you know? Gerard has been well versed in all things ZetaTalk and how to keep the weak-minded on the hook. When Nancy dies he'll simply fill the void she vacated. Whether he'll do it was well is hard to say.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Gerard is just a sheep. He does only what Nancy tells him to do. Without her guidance, he'd be just as lost as the rest.

Have you yet seen Gerard post anything that was original? The only thing he posts is zetatalk.
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Didn't you know? Gerard has been well versed in all things ZetaTalk and how to keep the weak-minded on the hook. When Nancy dies he'll simply fill the void she vacated. Whether he'll do it was well is hard to say.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Gerard is just a sheep. He does only what Nancy tells him to do. Without her guidance, he'd be just as lost as the rest.

Have you yet seen Gerard post anything that was original? The only thing he posts is zetatalk.
 Quoting: bob_909


I been watching nancy since around 2001- my personal opinion is that gerard is both a believer and is being `groomed' as a possible replacement for nancy, but he simply doesn't seem to have the `charisma' to pull it off- even the ningtards argue with him

I don't know what it is in nancy's personality, but she does seem to have a `magnetic' presence to the sub educated that make up her followers- personally all I see is a blowzy old hag that the `mad cat woman' from the Simpson's seems based on- but to the ningtards she is infallible and only one step down from divine- I have no explanation about this- all I can explain it on is that it is a mental aberration in her followers that blinds them- a `like gravitates to like' type thing....
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You're both right - Gerard is most certainly being groomed to be Nancy's replacement. However, he doesn't come up with anything of his own. He simply regurgitates crap from ZetaTalk - although Nancy does that a lot as well. I wonder though - is Gerard the "Zetas" choice for Nancy's replacement? If not - then who? Will Nancy's replacement have an implant? Will it be an improved model of the piece of crap Nancy has in her head?

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Somebody posted something about the transit which was not "right-thinking" enough and got spanked for it by a mod. Rest assumrd he will likely never dare to post again.

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Moderator Comment:
First, you are not providing a URL so we cannot examine what you are stating. Second, the only way to determine if the globe is being turned in the photos is to SEE these photos, and you are not providing them. Third, the only way to determine if the globe is being turned is to plot a line through the sunspots, which move left to right with the rotation of the Sun. Your statement is thus rift with disinformation possibilities! Please take more care in the future as we can't be chasing after you like this!"
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Somebody posted something about the transit which was not "right-thinking" enough and got spanked for it by a mod. Rest assumrd he will likely never dare to post again.

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Moderator Comment:
First, you are not providing a URL so we cannot examine what you are stating. Second, the only way to determine if the globe is being turned in the photos is to SEE these photos, and you are not providing them. Third, the only way to determine if the globe is being turned is to plot a line through the sunspots, which move left to right with the rotation of the Sun. Your statement is thus rift with disinformation possibilities! Please take more care in the future as we can't be chasing after you like this!"
 Quoting: Menow 6741607


It must have only been a `minor' questioning indeed as I have had several posts deleted and been banned for even slightly questioning `the leader' there- one was banned for simply asking if a star I saw was `that' infamous invisible star that wasn't visible according to her due to the earth stoppage...

It wasn't even a major point in the post I was making- it was simply being used as a reference point (down and a little to the left' but obviously that was enough to trigger her paranoia and instant banning...

it does make you wonder how many of her bragged about members are actually `true believers' as I have had nearly a dozen memberships there- some banned without ever making a single post (maybe the names rubbed her the wrong way or she simply didn't like them- funny as they are all just random names picked out of the phone book)
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Somebody posted something about the transit which was not "right-thinking" enough and got spanked for it by a mod. Rest assumrd he will likely never dare to post again.

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Moderator Comment:
First, you are not providing a URL so we cannot examine what you are stating. Second, the only way to determine if the globe is being turned in the photos is to SEE these photos, and you are not providing them. Third, the only way to determine if the globe is being turned is to plot a line through the sunspots, which move left to right with the rotation of the Sun. Your statement is thus rift with disinformation possibilities! Please take more care in the future as we can't be chasing after you like this!"
 Quoting: Menow 6741607


That's funny. The ning is actually debunking Nancy's post about the eclipse where she claimed sunspots were the moons of planet x.

To quote her from the ning and newsletter...

"And finally, the lunar eclipse of May 20-21, 2012 showed numerous moons of Planet X against the face of the Sun, without question. Due to the wafting tail of Planet X, these moved about, but showed up in photos from Utah, Hong Kong, and China. These are not sunspots, which would in any case not show up as dark spots on the face of the Sun. These are Moons of Planet X! "

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Nancy doesn't manage the day-to-day workings of the ning. The bannings and such are done by moderators who seem to be on the job 24-7. They are in constant paranoia about people who join who don't really believe and are there to 'debunk'. They 'ban-button' is on a hair trigger.

Here is the latest gobbldygook about the Venus transit. It's a priceless mishmash of nonsense, misunderstanding, obfuscation and outright lies.

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

It's obvious that someone is reading at GLP and adapting what is blogged over there to 'manage' the facts presented here. Note Nancy's post which illustrated a complete non-understanting of how the PROBA satellite orbits Earth.
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It must have only been a `minor' questioning indeed as I have had several posts deleted and been banned for even slightly questioning `the leader' there- one was banned for simply asking if a star I saw was `that' infamous invisible star that wasn't visible according to her due to the earth stoppage...

It wasn't even a major point in the post I was making- it was simply being used as a reference point (down and a little to the left' but obviously that was enough to trigger her paranoia and instant banning...

it does make you wonder how many of her bragged about members are actually `true believers' as I have had nearly a dozen memberships there- some banned without ever making a single post (maybe the names rubbed her the wrong way or she simply didn't like them- funny as they are all just random names picked out of the phone book)
 Quoting: aussie 763624 17635623


I've had the same problem - even going so far as to state that I truly believe what the Queen Mother says about "Planet X" and then simply provided information to help clarify something or so that Nancy would have correct information. But, because it went against her preconceived beliefs and might cause others to question her abilities, the information was deleted and I was banned as a Heretic.
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Nancy doesn't manage the day-to-day workings of the ning. The bannings and such are done by moderators who seem to be on the job 24-7. They are in constant paranoia about people who join who don't really believe and are there to 'debunk'. They 'ban-button' is on a hair trigger.

Here is the latest gobbldygook about the Venus transit. It's a priceless mishmash of nonsense, misunderstanding, obfuscation and outright lies.

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

It's obvious that someone is reading at GLP and adapting what is blogged over there to 'manage' the facts presented here. Note Nancy's post which illustrated a complete non-understanting of how the PROBA satellite orbits Earth.
 Quoting: Menow 6741607


Also note that no one who really knows the facts can answer her question, because the answer would fly in the face of the "ZETATALK" posted on that page. The "Zetas" don't seem to understand the orbit of PROBA either. Heh.
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That's funny. The ning is actually debunking Nancy's post about the eclipse where she claimed sunspots were the moons of planet x.

To quote her from the ning and newsletter...

"And finally, the lunar eclipse of May 20-21, 2012 showed numerous moons of Planet X against the face of the Sun, without question. Due to the wafting tail of Planet X, these moved about, but showed up in photos from Utah, Hong Kong, and China. These are not sunspots, which would in any case not show up as dark spots on the face of the Sun. These are Moons of Planet X! "
 Quoting: bob_909


Sunspots don't show up as dark spots on the sun? Since when? Any one of them can do a Google image search for "sunspots" and clearly see that they do, indeed, show up at dark spots. WTF does Nancy think they show up as? Pretty rainbows?
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That's funny. The ning is actually debunking Nancy's post about the eclipse where she claimed sunspots were the moons of planet x.

To quote her from the ning and newsletter...

"And finally, the lunar eclipse of May 20-21, 2012 showed numerous moons of Planet X against the face of the Sun, without question. Due to the wafting tail of Planet X, these moved about, but showed up in photos from Utah, Hong Kong, and China. These are not sunspots, which would in any case not show up as dark spots on the face of the Sun. These are Moons of Planet X! "
 Quoting: bob_909


Sunspots don't show up as dark spots on the sun? Since when? Any one of them can do a Google image search for "sunspots" and clearly see that they do, indeed, show up at dark spots. WTF does Nancy think they show up as? Pretty rainbows?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Someone just asked her, on that new link, whether the spots below Venus are PX. I wonder what she will say?
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Here is a record of the Zetatalk where "they" clearly don't understand the orbit of Proba-2. Let's see if she changes it after someone reads the facts here. Proba-2 actually orbits Earth several times in 6 hours.

[link to poleshift.ning.com]


"...What of the Venus wobble, noted by many, that seemed to take a waved path across the face of the Sun. This is not apparent in a moment-by-moment view, but a rapid transit is obvious. The establishment is quickly trying to explain this wobble as motion in Sun-centric satellites, which are claimed to move up and down and thus, being closer to Venus than the Sun, this makes it appear that Venus is moving. But the distance Venus would have to move to create this wobble SEVERAL times within the 6 hour transit is not feasible, nor does this occur. Did Venus bobble up and down during the transit? It is struggling with mixed messages, one from the Sun to stay in its established orbit, another from Planet X to stay ABOVE a conflict with the gravity press from this monster just to the right. The dither, or wave form, was real.
EOZT"
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IF the "Zetas" are real...they have to be the stupidest or most retarded aliens in the universe.
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IF the "Zetas" are real...they have to be the stupidest or most retarded aliens in the universe.
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Nancy's "system" seems to be slipping these days. "They" even say "Venus" where they mean the satellite, there. On the other hand, it doesn't really seem to matter how confused and contradictory what "they" say is. In fact, it even seems to enhance the effect when what is said is incomprehensible. I remember one asking a believer if they understood something that was said(which actually was nonsensicle). The person just presumed that they were not "smart enough" to understand what the super-intelligent Zetas were saying, but they were sure it must be true anyway. Heh.
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AND... right there on that new ning page someone has posted the PREDICTED appearance of the transit WITH the scalloped motion- as seen from Proba-2. Still, the "Zetas" claim it was an 'unexpected abberation' which is actuall a REAL motion of Venus. The comedy just keeps on comin'!
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AND... right there on that new ning page someone has posted the PREDICTED appearance of the transit WITH the scalloped motion- as seen from Proba-2. Still, the "Zetas" claim it was an 'unexpected abberation' which is actuall a REAL motion of Venus. The comedy just keeps on comin'!
 Quoting: Menow 6741607


I don't think they comprehend the fact that Proba-2 is in a polar orbit and doing an orbit every 96 minutes...which means it can see the Sun for about 48 minutes every orbit.

They're also going to be unable to understand that the parallax between Proba-A, Venus, and the Sun is going to be constantly shifting as Proba-A orbits.

Do you think I should do a graphic for them and watch their heads explode trying to comprehend it?

Got to go now...time to get the mane chopped off.
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She answered about the sunspots. The ignorance and BS is almost enough to make one scratch their own eyes out!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Comment by Nancy Lieder 12 minutes ago
@Philip those are sunspots.
They rotate left to right with the Sun, during the Sun's rotation. They allow one to establish (as I have done with the red line) the Sun's Ecliptic, which is of course caused by the Sun's rotation and can be skewed in images if one turns the Sun this way or that. Venus was supposed to take a path at a slant, upper left to lower right, but took an almost parallel path with the Sun's ecliptic."


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And this:


[link to poleshift.ning.com]

"Comment by Kris H 21 hours ago
Perhaps the establishment liars should be asked why this Venus wobble was not evident during the 2004 transit? And how come this wasn't explained beforehand as a known effect, and something to expect? Run and hide liars. Run and hide."

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