Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,399 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 978,789
Pageviews Today: 1,507,724Threads Today: 468Posts Today: 8,734
03:32 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 639476
Canada
09/10/2009 12:10 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
hmmm.....
The Commentator

User ID: 587619
United States
09/10/2009 12:16 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Wow, education standards are really slipping. How can somebody with so much education be so incredibly dumb?

Mind you, you could always be bullshitting....which considering your 'close affiliation' with Nancy Lieder would not be the most unlikely of things!

Your biggest problem is your attempts at 'being smart' just seem pathetic, because you are an apologist for a seedy internet cult of stupidity. True intelligence is nowhere evident in anything you post.



Easy answer: He/she LIED!

But that is nothing new for a bunker, how many times has melfy called someone a "paid shill" without the first shred of evidence, much less proof?

DANG!! I thought you had been permanently banned along with Menow and Prof Rabbit. Did PostHole let you back in??
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


No ban melfy, do you lie about EVERYTHING?
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
***ZetaMax***

User ID: 761889
United States
09/10/2009 12:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Wow, education standards are really slipping. How can somebody with so much education be so incredibly dumb?

Mind you, you could always be bullshitting....which considering your 'close affiliation' with Nancy Lieder would not be the most unlikely of things!

Your biggest problem is your attempts at 'being smart' just seem pathetic, because you are an apologist for a seedy internet cult of stupidity. True intelligence is nowhere evident in anything you post.



Easy answer: He/she LIED!

But that is nothing new for a bunker, how many times has melfy called someone a "paid shill" without the first shred of evidence, much less proof?

DANG!! I thought you had been permanently banned along with Menow and Prof Rabbit. Did PostHole let you back in??


No ban melfy, do you lie about EVERYTHING?
 Quoting: The Commentator

How is my thinking you might have been banned a "lie"??
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

ZetaMax
The Commentator

User ID: 587619
United States
09/10/2009 01:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Wow, education standards are really slipping. How can somebody with so much education be so incredibly dumb?

Mind you, you could always be bullshitting....which considering your 'close affiliation' with Nancy Lieder would not be the most unlikely of things!

Your biggest problem is your attempts at 'being smart' just seem pathetic, because you are an apologist for a seedy internet cult of stupidity. True intelligence is nowhere evident in anything you post.



Easy answer: He/she LIED!

But that is nothing new for a bunker, how many times has melfy called someone a "paid shill" without the first shred of evidence, much less proof?

DANG!! I thought you had been permanently banned along with Menow and Prof Rabbit. Did PostHole let you back in??


No ban melfy, do you lie about EVERYTHING?

How is my thinking you might have been banned a "lie"??
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Because, like your fantasy planet it is untrue, melfy.

But you have never let facts interfere with your delusions, bile and mean spirited lies before so why should they now?
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
The Lone Ranger (OP)

User ID: 760616
New Zealand
09/10/2009 02:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
I have a degree in Psychology.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Wow!!

And Luserboy claimed to have two degrees. Guess you guys are somewhat intelligent then....... lol4me which makes your gullible devotion to a wacko nutjob like Nancy LIEDer even the more bizarre.

100percent
Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
------------------------------------
Disclaimer:

DON'T​ BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!!
The Lone Ranger (OP)

User ID: 760616
New Zealand
09/10/2009 02:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
DANG!! I thought you had been permanently banned along with Menow and Prof Rabbit. Did PostHole let you back in??
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Nancy LIEDer is very fearful these days of truth and knowledge that exposes her failed babble. Regardless of the debunkers it is quite evident that Ms LIEDer has lost a great deal of traffic from her threads.

I mean to say Melfy it is only possible for Ms LIEDer to spread billshit only so far before it becomes hard and stale!!
Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
------------------------------------
Disclaimer:

DON'T​ BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!!
The Lone Ranger (OP)

User ID: 760616
New Zealand
09/10/2009 02:28 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
No ban melfy, do you lie about EVERYTHING?
 Quoting: The Commentator


Melfy lies and distorts truth and reality quite a bit on these GLP threads. Quite sad actually for someone who claims to be a Fence Shitter.
Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
------------------------------------
Disclaimer:

DON'T​ BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17230
Germany
09/10/2009 03:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
The problem with "lying shills" is that they will lie about not being a lying shill, because lying about not being a lying shill is what lying shills lie about.


:spinner:


If there's one thing Nancy (aka Max) knows about, it's lying shills!

All the other debunkers are now convinced that I am NOT Nancy - I suggest you get with the program!!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

You are Nancy (Nelle), by heart, by soul and by keyboard.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 767330
United Kingdom
09/10/2009 03:26 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Bump for all non-lovers of Zeta!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17230
Germany
09/10/2009 03:39 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
>> I'd like to see Max explain how people are "parented" by 12 Step programs

A "parent's" primary role is to assist thier child to MATURITY. Recovery is growth process - a MATURATION process. 12 Step programs "ASSIST" in this process, but of course the real work falls to the individual involved.

Splitting hairs again as usual I see "Dr." P.(I'm not surprised ...)


Hoping people won't remember her exact words, are we?
"ANOTHER, in a parent position, will be assisting them."
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 5 (Page 6)

There is NO "Another" in ANY parent postilion you dolt.

Welcome back to failtown again.

Boy "splitting hairs" was an UNDERSTATEMENT. 12 Step programs are predominantly GROUP ORIENTED. As such, they use PEER PRESSURE - which is very similar to parental pressure in it's power and effectiveness in influencing behavior (and in fact exceeds parental pressure in many instances). The peerage of the SUPPORT GROUP is the "Another, in a parent position" ...

You'll REALLY over-reaching on *this* one!!


Got any experience with a twelve-step program or are you pulling crap out of your ass (as usual)?

I have a degree in Psychology.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

and in laws?
The Commentator

User ID: 587619
United States
09/10/2009 03:45 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
No ban melfy, do you lie about EVERYTHING?


Melfy lies and distorts truth and reality quite a bit on these GLP threads. Quite sad actually for someone who claims to be a Fence Shitter.
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger



And who claims to be not only trained in psychology but a LAWYER as well! melfy is just another gullible liar.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 767330
United Kingdom
09/10/2009 03:48 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
No ban melfy, do you lie about EVERYTHING?


Melfy lies and distorts truth and reality quite a bit on these GLP threads. Quite sad actually for someone who claims to be a Fence Shitter.



And who claims to be not only trained in psychology but a LAWYER as well! melfy is just another gullible liar.
 Quoting: The Commentator


I don't trust a word (s)he writes. Constant lies.
The Commentator

User ID: 587619
United States
09/10/2009 04:30 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
No ban melfy, do you lie about EVERYTHING?


Melfy lies and distorts truth and reality quite a bit on these GLP threads. Quite sad actually for someone who claims to be a Fence Shitter.



And who claims to be not only trained in psychology but a LAWYER as well! melfy is just another gullible liar.


I don't trust a word (s)he writes. Constant lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 767330


Indeed. melfy is the poster child for attention seeking liars.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
andrew

User ID: 767386
Ukraine
09/10/2009 05:03 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
My initial reaction, after the non-appearance of planet X, the failure of all the May 2003 predictions and recognizing the fallacy of Nancy Leider and her alledged "Zetas", can

best be described as "HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID".

At present, I do not support the continuing Zetatalk storyline, and find that it has left reality and entered the realm of imagination.
Since 2003, it can best be described as a fantasy, in it's presented information.
 Quoting: J.William Dell


after 2003 i was also almost ready to go into thinking like that. but i decided "not so fast", not to be so quick with conclusions. and now i dont regret.

i, rather think, "how i could be so stupid to possibly reject it all" in a blink of an eye.

and i believe it has not happened YET. its like two parallel timelines: with that of ZetaTalk is ahead of the real time one. and it is deliberate, smart maneuver - to warn, to alert the pupulace.

i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.

hf
The Commentator

User ID: 587619
United States
09/10/2009 05:11 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
after 2003 i was also almost ready to go into thinking like that. but i decided "not so fast", not to be so quick with conclusions. and now i dont regret.

i, rather think, "how i could be so stupid to possibly reject it all" in a blink of an eye.

and i believe it has not happened YET. its like two parallel timelines: with that of ZetaTalk is ahead of the real time one. and it is deliberate, smart maneuver - to warn, to alert the pupulace.

i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.

 Quoting: andrew



Of course if you had mastered high school math and physics you would know what a load of bullshit LIEDer is trying to palm off on people even dumber than she is.

But you didn't so you wallow in ignorance.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 767406
United Kingdom
09/10/2009 06:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.

hf
 Quoting: andrew


You remain one of the last true DUMB believers. That makes you one of the stupidest people alive. Congratulations.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17230
Germany
09/10/2009 06:21 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
This Candace quack certainly is full of herself. She just exudes how important she is. She gives a very clear view of STS on this thread ... thanks for that Candace, well done!!!!

Just like Nancy?


educate yourself: [link to www.zetatalk.com] hf
 Quoting: andrew

Omigod, the irony.....

are you aware we got past 300 days?
Time is running out.....and it has happened JUST NOTHING in the past 300 days.


Reminder for Nancy to think about a valid answer for her 2012 non-show since Nov 11, 2008.
303 days gone, 843 days to go until Nancys final failure (at 1.1.2012)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17230
Germany
09/10/2009 06:23 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
No ban melfy, do you lie about EVERYTHING?


Melfy lies and distorts truth and reality quite a bit on these GLP threads. Quite sad actually for someone who claims to be a Fence Shitter.
The actualk list is:

General:
The Culties
The Stupids
zetadrool
zetadrollers
Zetards
Zetasquish
Zetatards
Zidiots

Specific:
Agent Max
Bullshitter
DRIPster
DRIPsterTroll
Fence Shitter
Nanny
NannyTroll
Minimax
Maxi
MaxiTroll
Maxinanny
Maxipads
Melf
Melfster
MelfsterTroll
Melfy
Melfytroll
Nannymax
Nellemax
Nelliemax
ShitTalker
Sockster
SocksterTroll
Socky
SockyTroll
Zetamin
ZetaTroll
Zetaquark



And who claims to be not only trained in psychology but a LAWYER as well! melfy is just another gullible liar.


I don't trust a word (s)he writes. Constant lies.


Indeed. melfy is the poster child for attention seeking liars.
 Quoting: The Commentator
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
09/10/2009 07:30 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.
 Quoting: andrew

Until 2012 when you'll be asking yourself, "Why was I so stupid? Others tried to tell me. I should have realized it was all a sham when 'Planet X' didn't show up in 2003."
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 767406
United Kingdom
09/10/2009 07:31 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Funny how that "I have 2 degrees" claim gets made whenever
one of her supporters can't back up what they claim. User
claims the same exact thing. Of course, we will never know
where those degrees come from or when.
 Quoting: DrPostman


I think that only someone WITHOUT a decent education would feel the need to brag about having one!

I (and most others it seems) just do not believe one word that is written by the ZetaMax sock-puppet.
andrew

User ID: 767386
Ukraine
09/10/2009 07:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
after 2003 i was also almost ready to go into thinking like that. but i decided "not so fast", not to be so quick with conclusions. and now i dont regret.

i, rather think, "how i could be so stupid to possibly reject it all" in a blink of an eye.

and i believe it has not happened YET. its like two parallel timelines: with that of ZetaTalk is ahead of the real time one. and it is deliberate, smart maneuver - to warn, to alert the pupulace.

i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.


Of course if you had mastered high school math and physics you would know what a load of bullshit LIEDer is trying to palm off on people even dumber than she is.

But you didn't so you wallow in ignorance.
 Quoting: The Commentator


verifying against human THEORIES - that is extremely reliable way to know what truth is! yea sure...

if something goes against "high school math and physics" maybe the problem is that sacred "math and physics" is wrong not the facts, he?

Humans have a catchy phrase regarding relationships - which came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, of course it was the chicken, who gradually evolved to encase young in a shell long before it evolved to become a chicken. First came dropping the young into a water bed, as fish and frogs do, so the chicken's precursor came first. Humans treat mathematics much this way, expecting the world to line up with their math when the math evolved to describe their world. Starting with simple counting schemes, mathematical descriptions became more and more elaborate as they were endlessly adjusted until they described yet another aspect of nature. When math is used as a tool, and its origins understood, then when a particular model placed upon a natural phenomena does not fit there is no conflict. The mathematical model is understood to be the problem. However, just as there is confusion about the chicken or the egg, most humans lose sight of what came first. They insist the math is sacred, and stubbornly refuse to deal with the discrepancies this approach produces.

Mathematics, for some, has become a religion.

Mathematics builds upon itself, so that concepts put into place are continued and never discarded. Formulas that reasonably describe a situation when measurements are crude are never discarded, but are held up as standards to be disproved and defended. Creativity in math is nil, so that brilliant insights such as Einstein’s are held to ridicule rather than discussed. Thus it is that mathematics are burdened with the absurd as well as the insightful, and thus regularly miss the mark. The Zetas are frequently asked what is wrong with human math, or how to do it right. Frankly, the right math will not be discussed, as this might put mankind on paths they are not yet to trod. As to what is wrong, we would suggest a simple exercise. Face problems with a completely fresh mind, and ploy the math you think would solve that. Compare what you have placed on paper with the traditional math. What differs? What about the traditional math forced it into the tradition? We predict you will find that a long history of being passed forward, regardless of worth, has placed certain formulas into mankind's mathematical view of the world. Would you allow yourself to be treated as the doctors of yore treated patients, by bleeding and starving or opening the head? Are women in labor to die screaming rather than undergo cesarean? Are doctor's not to wash their hands because infection spontaneously generates and germs do not exist?

Mathematical proofs are not "proof". Mathematical proofs only demonstrate that the numbers resulting can be lined up with each other. In fact, this can be assured if one just ensures that the component pieces, in the formulas, are all from the same grab bag. In other words, if one is building a toy city with lego building blocks, one can get everything to line up if all the lego blocks are of a similar size or multiples of this size. To make this all line up, just throw out anything that doesn't fit. This is, in fact, what humans do with their mathematical "proofs". When something doesn't fit, they substitute another lego piece, one from the proper grab bag, and then get smug. They haven't proved anything. They've only gotten their math to line up, and they're not so good at that either. Contradictions are running side by side at the major universities, with the students asked not to question so the professors can continue to be smug. Just pay your tuition and shut up.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Idol1
The Commentator

User ID: 587619
United States
09/10/2009 07:49 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
And who claims to be not only trained in psychology but a LAWYER as well! melfy is just another gullible liar.


Funny how that "I have 2 degrees" claim gets made whenever
one of her supporters can't back up what they claim. User
claims the same exact thing. Of course, we will never know
where those degrees come from or when.
 Quoting: DrPostman



Yup, two degrees, one had "Clown" in the name, the other had "Barber."
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
09/10/2009 07:53 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Funny how that "I have 2 degrees" claim gets made whenever
one of her supporters can't back up what they claim. User
claims the same exact thing. Of course, we will never know
where those degrees come from or when.
 Quoting: DrPostman

Yes, imagine that. Maybe they really have these degrees, but I certainly find it hard to believe considering how the two of them act. I'm also curious as to how they got these degrees. For one thing, they reject anything we say even though many of us have been to college/university...claiming we're just repeating what the "establishment" told us. Wouldn't the same hold true for User and Max? Weren't they taught by that same "establishment?" Or did they just agree with everything so they could get that "degree" only to reject it all later?

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/10/2009 09:17 AM
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
The Commentator

User ID: 587619
United States
09/10/2009 07:53 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
after 2003 i was also almost ready to go into thinking like that. but i decided "not so fast", not to be so quick with conclusions. and now i dont regret.

i, rather think, "how i could be so stupid to possibly reject it all" in a blink of an eye.

and i believe it has not happened YET. its like two parallel timelines: with that of ZetaTalk is ahead of the real time one. and it is deliberate, smart maneuver - to warn, to alert the pupulace.

i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.


Of course if you had mastered high school math and physics you would know what a load of bullshit LIEDer is trying to palm off on people even dumber than she is.

But you didn't so you wallow in ignorance.


verifying against human THEORIES - that is extremely reliable way to know what truth is! yea sure...

if something goes against "high school math and physics" maybe the problem is that sacred "math and physics" is wrong not the facts, he?

Humans have a catchy phrase regarding relationships - which came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, of course it was the chicken, who gradually evolved to encase young in a shell long before it evolved to become a chicken. First came dropping the young into a water bed, as fish and frogs do, so the chicken's precursor came first. Humans treat mathematics much this way, expecting the world to line up with their math when the math evolved to describe their world. Starting with simple counting schemes, mathematical descriptions became more and more elaborate as they were endlessly adjusted until they described yet another aspect of nature. When math is used as a tool, and its origins understood, then when a particular model placed upon a natural phenomena does not fit there is no conflict. The mathematical model is understood to be the problem. However, just as there is confusion about the chicken or the egg, most humans lose sight of what came first. They insist the math is sacred, and stubbornly refuse to deal with the discrepancies this approach produces.

Mathematics, for some, has become a religion.

Mathematics builds upon itself, so that concepts put into place are continued and never discarded. Formulas that reasonably describe a situation when measurements are crude are never discarded, but are held up as standards to be disproved and defended. Creativity in math is nil, so that brilliant insights such as Einstein’s are held to ridicule rather than discussed. Thus it is that mathematics are burdened with the absurd as well as the insightful, and thus regularly miss the mark. The Zetas are frequently asked what is wrong with human math, or how to do it right. Frankly, the right math will not be discussed, as this might put mankind on paths they are not yet to trod. As to what is wrong, we would suggest a simple exercise. Face problems with a completely fresh mind, and ploy the math you think would solve that. Compare what you have placed on paper with the traditional math. What differs? What about the traditional math forced it into the tradition? We predict you will find that a long history of being passed forward, regardless of worth, has placed certain formulas into mankind's mathematical view of the world. Would you allow yourself to be treated as the doctors of yore treated patients, by bleeding and starving or opening the head? Are women in labor to die screaming rather than undergo cesarean? Are doctor's not to wash their hands because infection spontaneously generates and germs do not exist?

Mathematical proofs are not "proof". Mathematical proofs only demonstrate that the numbers resulting can be lined up with each other. In fact, this can be assured if one just ensures that the component pieces, in the formulas, are all from the same grab bag. In other words, if one is building a toy city with lego building blocks, one can get everything to line up if all the lego blocks are of a similar size or multiples of this size. To make this all line up, just throw out anything that doesn't fit. This is, in fact, what humans do with their mathematical "proofs". When something doesn't fit, they substitute another lego piece, one from the proper grab bag, and then get smug. They haven't proved anything. They've only gotten their math to line up, and they're not so good at that either. Contradictions are running side by side at the major universities, with the students asked not to question so the professors can continue to be smug. Just pay your tuition and shut up.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]


 Quoting: andrew



Obviously you do not know what the word "theory" means in a scientific context, which reinforces my hypothesis that you are, so far as an ability to evaluate scientific claims, quite uneducated. Which is exactly what nanny LIEDer wants in her mindless drones.

Tell, us, oh wise one, assuming base 10 number systems, is "2+2=4" a true statement or a false statement.

Show your work.

And if you get that one right we will see if you have learned the math that has been known for over 2000 years.

My guess is you won't even try.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
andrew

User ID: 767386
Ukraine
09/10/2009 07:56 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.

Until 2012 when you'll be asking yourself, "Why was I so stupid? Others tried to tell me. I should have realized it was all a sham when 'Planet X' didn't show up in 2003."
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


no, unless ALL earth changes subside FOR GOOD.

dates mean NOTHING, what is actually happening does. what is now currently happening tells me that the show is not over. its way way out from being over.

your (all de-bunkers) ignorance and mind tricks to avoid truth show what are you made of sheeplebah
andrew

User ID: 767386
Ukraine
09/10/2009 07:59 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
after 2003 i was also almost ready to go into thinking like that. but i decided "not so fast", not to be so quick with conclusions. and now i dont regret.

i, rather think, "how i could be so stupid to possibly reject it all" in a blink of an eye.

and i believe it has not happened YET. its like two parallel timelines: with that of ZetaTalk is ahead of the real time one. and it is deliberate, smart maneuver - to warn, to alert the pupulace.

i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.


Of course if you had mastered high school math and physics you would know what a load of bullshit LIEDer is trying to palm off on people even dumber than she is.

But you didn't so you wallow in ignorance.


verifying against human THEORIES - that is extremely reliable way to know what truth is! yea sure...

if something goes against "high school math and physics" maybe the problem is that sacred "math and physics" is wrong not the facts, he?

Humans have a catchy phrase regarding relationships - which came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, of course it was the chicken, who gradually evolved to encase young in a shell long before it evolved to become a chicken. First came dropping the young into a water bed, as fish and frogs do, so the chicken's precursor came first. Humans treat mathematics much this way, expecting the world to line up with their math when the math evolved to describe their world. Starting with simple counting schemes, mathematical descriptions became more and more elaborate as they were endlessly adjusted until they described yet another aspect of nature. When math is used as a tool, and its origins understood, then when a particular model placed upon a natural phenomena does not fit there is no conflict. The mathematical model is understood to be the problem. However, just as there is confusion about the chicken or the egg, most humans lose sight of what came first. They insist the math is sacred, and stubbornly refuse to deal with the discrepancies this approach produces.

Mathematics, for some, has become a religion.

Mathematics builds upon itself, so that concepts put into place are continued and never discarded. Formulas that reasonably describe a situation when measurements are crude are never discarded, but are held up as standards to be disproved and defended. Creativity in math is nil, so that brilliant insights such as Einstein’s are held to ridicule rather than discussed. Thus it is that mathematics are burdened with the absurd as well as the insightful, and thus regularly miss the mark. The Zetas are frequently asked what is wrong with human math, or how to do it right. Frankly, the right math will not be discussed, as this might put mankind on paths they are not yet to trod. As to what is wrong, we would suggest a simple exercise. Face problems with a completely fresh mind, and ploy the math you think would solve that. Compare what you have placed on paper with the traditional math. What differs? What about the traditional math forced it into the tradition? We predict you will find that a long history of being passed forward, regardless of worth, has placed certain formulas into mankind's mathematical view of the world. Would you allow yourself to be treated as the doctors of yore treated patients, by bleeding and starving or opening the head? Are women in labor to die screaming rather than undergo cesarean? Are doctor's not to wash their hands because infection spontaneously generates and germs do not exist?

Mathematical proofs are not "proof". Mathematical proofs only demonstrate that the numbers resulting can be lined up with each other. In fact, this can be assured if one just ensures that the component pieces, in the formulas, are all from the same grab bag. In other words, if one is building a toy city with lego building blocks, one can get everything to line up if all the lego blocks are of a similar size or multiples of this size. To make this all line up, just throw out anything that doesn't fit. This is, in fact, what humans do with their mathematical "proofs". When something doesn't fit, they substitute another lego piece, one from the proper grab bag, and then get smug. They haven't proved anything. They've only gotten their math to line up, and they're not so good at that either. Contradictions are running side by side at the major universities, with the students asked not to question so the professors can continue to be smug. Just pay your tuition and shut up.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]





Obviously you do not know what the word "theory" means in a scientific context, which reinforces my hypothesis that you are, so far as an ability to evaluate scientific claims, quite uneducated. Which is exactly what nanny LIEDer wants in her mindless drones.

Tell, us, oh wise one, assuming base 10 number systems, is "2+2=4" a true statement or a false statement.

Show your work.

And if you get that one right we will see if you have learned the math that has been known for over 2000 years.

My guess is you won't even try.
 Quoting: The Commentator


of course i wouldnt.

no need to adress this dumb bullshit you choose to call "meaningful" "discussion" and "argument"

s226
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
09/10/2009 08:02 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
if something goes against "high school math and physics" maybe the problem is that sacred "math and physics" is wrong not the facts, he?
 Quoting: andrew

Theories in physics and math change all the time. However, there are many principles of both subjects that have been proven to be accurate time and time again. Those principles are the same ones that enable scientists to launch satellites to a particular planet or moon (both of which are MOVING) and have the satellite arrive at its intended destination years after it was launched. This would only be possible if the physics and math involved in the calculations was correct. These principles also prove that how Nancy claims "Planet X" behaves is impossible. Thus far, you have failed (time and time again) to explain how it is possible. If you think the physics and math presented is wrong...then present something showing just that. And while you're at it, present some evidence that "Planet X" actually exists. This should be extremely easy to do considering where this "rogue planet" has been supposedly sitting for the past six years.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
09/10/2009 08:06 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
no, unless ALL earth changes subside FOR GOOD.
 Quoting: andrew

Changes on Earth have been happening since the moment Earth was formed. Are you seriously going to claim that every event on Earth is caused by "Planet X?" Are you going to claim that "Planet X" caused the great Dust Bowl in the 1930s? Did it cause the great earthquake in San Francisco in 1906? Did it cause Mt. St. Helens to erupt? Did it cause the torrential rains in southern California in the winter of 1993? Did it cause the massive flooding in the mid-west during the summer that same year?

dates mean NOTHING, what is actually happening does. what is now currently happening tells me that the show is not over. its way way out from being over.
 Quoting: andrew

Events taking place today mean nothing when you have no evidence that they're being caused by some "rogue planet." You can claim it all you want, but you have no data showing how the two are related. Hell, you don't even have evidence that this "planet" even exists in the first place.

Your (all bunkers) ignorance and mind tricks to avoid truth show what are you made of.
sheeplebah

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/10/2009 09:32 AM
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
09/10/2009 08:08 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
of course i wouldnt.

no need to adress this dumb bullshit you choose to call "meaningful" "discussion" and "argument"


 Quoting: andrew

Of course you won't. That's what bunkers do. They make claims stating that human math and science is wrong, but when given the opportunity to prove it, they run away because they know they'll be proven wrong again.

s226

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/10/2009 08:15 AM
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
The Commentator

User ID: 587619
United States
09/10/2009 08:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
after 2003 i was also almost ready to go into thinking like that. but i decided "not so fast", not to be so quick with conclusions. and now i dont regret.

i, rather think, "how i could be so stupid to possibly reject it all" in a blink of an eye.

and i believe it has not happened YET. its like two parallel timelines: with that of ZetaTalk is ahead of the real time one. and it is deliberate, smart maneuver - to warn, to alert the pupulace.

i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.


Of course if you had mastered high school math and physics you would know what a load of bullshit LIEDer is trying to palm off on people even dumber than she is.

But you didn't so you wallow in ignorance.


verifying against human THEORIES - that is extremely reliable way to know what truth is! yea sure...

if something goes against "high school math and physics" maybe the problem is that sacred "math and physics" is wrong not the facts, he?

Humans have a catchy phrase regarding relationships - which came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, of course it was the chicken, who gradually evolved to encase young in a shell long before it evolved to become a chicken. First came dropping the young into a water bed, as fish and frogs do, so the chicken's precursor came first. Humans treat mathematics much this way, expecting the world to line up with their math when the math evolved to describe their world. Starting with simple counting schemes, mathematical descriptions became more and more elaborate as they were endlessly adjusted until they described yet another aspect of nature. When math is used as a tool, and its origins understood, then when a particular model placed upon a natural phenomena does not fit there is no conflict. The mathematical model is understood to be the problem. However, just as there is confusion about the chicken or the egg, most humans lose sight of what came first. They insist the math is sacred, and stubbornly refuse to deal with the discrepancies this approach produces.

Mathematics, for some, has become a religion.

Mathematics builds upon itself, so that concepts put into place are continued and never discarded. Formulas that reasonably describe a situation when measurements are crude are never discarded, but are held up as standards to be disproved and defended. Creativity in math is nil, so that brilliant insights such as Einstein’s are held to ridicule rather than discussed. Thus it is that mathematics are burdened with the absurd as well as the insightful, and thus regularly miss the mark. The Zetas are frequently asked what is wrong with human math, or how to do it right. Frankly, the right math will not be discussed, as this might put mankind on paths they are not yet to trod. As to what is wrong, we would suggest a simple exercise. Face problems with a completely fresh mind, and ploy the math you think would solve that. Compare what you have placed on paper with the traditional math. What differs? What about the traditional math forced it into the tradition? We predict you will find that a long history of being passed forward, regardless of worth, has placed certain formulas into mankind's mathematical view of the world. Would you allow yourself to be treated as the doctors of yore treated patients, by bleeding and starving or opening the head? Are women in labor to die screaming rather than undergo cesarean? Are doctor's not to wash their hands because infection spontaneously generates and germs do not exist?

Mathematical proofs are not "proof". Mathematical proofs only demonstrate that the numbers resulting can be lined up with each other. In fact, this can be assured if one just ensures that the component pieces, in the formulas, are all from the same grab bag. In other words, if one is building a toy city with lego building blocks, one can get everything to line up if all the lego blocks are of a similar size or multiples of this size. To make this all line up, just throw out anything that doesn't fit. This is, in fact, what humans do with their mathematical "proofs". When something doesn't fit, they substitute another lego piece, one from the proper grab bag, and then get smug. They haven't proved anything. They've only gotten their math to line up, and they're not so good at that either. Contradictions are running side by side at the major universities, with the students asked not to question so the professors can continue to be smug. Just pay your tuition and shut up.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]





Obviously you do not know what the word "theory" means in a scientific context, which reinforces my hypothesis that you are, so far as an ability to evaluate scientific claims, quite uneducated. Which is exactly what nanny LIEDer wants in her mindless drones.

Tell, us, oh wise one, assuming base 10 number systems, is "2+2=4" a true statement or a false statement.

Show your work.

And if you get that one right we will see if you have learned the math that has been known for over 2000 years.

My guess is you won't even try.


of course i wouldnt.

no need to adress this dumb bullshit you choose to call "meaningful" "discussion" and "argument"

 Quoting: andrew



More probably you are simply incapable. Thank you for elevating my hypothesis.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!

News