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>> who called everyone you disagreed with a shill

An opinion - some would categorize it as "political speech", which in the United States has historically been considered the "most protected" form of speech.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Defamation is neither political nor protected speech.
 Quoting: Astromut


Given there is evidence in the form of mainstream articles that the "government" (read DOD) does indeed hire contractors (through public relations firms) to infiltrate and influence social media, how can such a "speculation" amount to defamation? In order to move forward on a claim of defamation, you have to actually show that you were DEFAMED. Has anyone denied you employment, a plane ticket, or soft toilet tissue because ZetaMax suggested you might have a secondary occupation as a shill? Can you show believable "emotional distress" as a result of such alleged "defamation" - beyond a hernia from laughing too much?
 Quoting: **melfy the soon to be BANNED**


Your whining, bleating and crying is getting funnier by the message, melfy.

Why do you shill for LIEDer the liar? (oh wait, do liars have to stick together like conmen?)

Why do you shill for cliff the drooling moron?

Why do you shift for crackpots?

cry us a river, melfy!!!

BAN melfy!!!
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Hate to admit it, but I tend to agree with ZM, here. His banning would serve little purpose.

However, I do wish he wasn't so disingenuous and dishonest with his positions. He often posts things he doesn't believe, or just to inflame. That is contraindicated, if one is truly 'truth-seeking.'

So, apparently your purpose, ZM, is merely to stir the pot, to the point where you are annoying enough to get banned, so that you can claim 'victory.' That is a very good definition of a troll, my friend. And leads to no truth at all.
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Hate to admit it, but I tend to agree with ZM, here. His banning would serve little purpose.

However, I do wish he wasn't so disingenuous and dishonest with his positions. He often posts things he doesn't believe, or just to inflame. That is contraindicated, if one is truly 'truth-seeking.'

So, apparently your purpose, ZM, is merely to stir the pot, to the point where you are annoying enough to get banned, so that you can claim 'victory.' That is a very good definition of a troll, my friend. And leads to no truth at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


melfy and truth? Mutually incompatible.

melfy is a simple liar and troll.
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Hate to admit it, but I tend to agree with ZM, here. His banning would serve little purpose.

However, I do wish he wasn't so disingenuous and dishonest with his positions. He often posts things he doesn't believe, or just to inflame. That is contraindicated, if one is truly 'truth-seeking.'

So, apparently your purpose, ZM, is merely to stir the pot, to the point where you are annoying enough to get banned, so that you can claim 'victory.' That is a very good definition of a troll, my friend. And leads to no truth at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


>> So, apparently your purpose, ZM, is merely to stir the pot, to the point where you are annoying enough to get banned, so that you can claim 'victory.' That is a very good definition of a troll, my friend. And leads to no truth at all.

Touche. Point well made. Yes, I admit I have "whooped it up" a bit, but never "wholly" arbitrarily. And no, my "purpose" is not merely to stir the pot, though sometimes out of frustration, I may give it a shake or two. I really am "seeking the truth" in a world where such endeavors are HIGHLY discouraged, ridiculed, and even DEADLY in some cases.

But boy, you'd never know that from reading the posts of THIS thread now would you? (Other than mine of course).

This thread is the closest thing to the stifling suffocating conformity of the academic world that I have yet encountered - outside of academia. Since I couldn't unload and wholly REBEL in that environment, I'm doing so NOW in this one.
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Hate to admit it, but I tend to agree with ZM, here. His banning would serve little purpose.

However, I do wish he wasn't so disingenuous and dishonest with his positions. He often posts things he doesn't believe, or just to inflame. That is contraindicated, if one is truly 'truth-seeking.'

So, apparently your purpose, ZM, is merely to stir the pot, to the point where you are annoying enough to get banned, so that you can claim 'victory.' That is a very good definition of a troll, my friend. And leads to no truth at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


>> So, apparently your purpose, ZM, is merely to stir the pot, to the point where you are annoying enough to get banned, so that you can claim 'victory.' That is a very good definition of a troll, my friend. And leads to no truth at all.

Touche. Point well made. Yes, I admit I have "whooped it up" a bit, but never "wholly" arbitrarily. And no, my "purpose" is not merely to stir the pot, though sometimes out of frustration, I may give it a shake or two. I really am "seeking the truth" in a world where such endeavors are HIGHLY discouraged, ridiculed, and even DEADLY in some cases.

But boy, you'd never know that from reading the posts of THIS thread now would you? (Other than mine of course).

This thread is the closest thing to the stifling suffocating conformity of the academic world that I have yet encountered - outside of academia. Since I couldn't unload and wholly REBEL in that environment, I'm doing so NOW in this one.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Have you told your employers you will be banned for your shilling, trolling and general assholery?


Whine some more melfy, you may make everyone die from laughing at you!

BAN melfy!
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The one theme that the debunkers have always boasted the most loudly about was how they would never ban anyone for merely expressing themselves in ways that did not violate GLP rules for the entire site.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


There's a big difference between expressing yourself and shilling for people like Clif and Nancy.
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The one theme that the debunkers have always boasted the most loudly about was how they would never ban anyone for merely expressing themselves in ways that did not violate GLP rules for the entire site.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


There's a big difference between expressing yourself and shilling for people like Clif and Nancy.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I'm not shilling for "people" but IDEAS. In Clif's case, I'm shilling for the idea that the future is made up of infinite timelines, but that some of those timelines have a much greater chance of manifesting than others. This notion was expressed by the farsight.org 2012 project. Courtney Brown asserted that they were not "making predictions" but simply reporting the results of their "experiments". With Clif recommending their material, he was essentially "shilling" for them - and I'm shilling for him shilling for them who are shilling for the idea that while predicting the future is "dicey" and fraught with hazards, some EVENTS are so massive in scale, and span so many timelines that they become "visible" enough to TAKE SERIOUS NOTE OF, and diligent steps to PREPARE FOR THEM are wise and warranted.

I'm shilling for IDEAS, which is another way of characterizing "expressing oneself".

You however are SHILLING for the establishment position that everything in academia is "true" (when it isn't), that "extremist" terrorism is the biggest threat to the planet, and black ops sponsored and manipulated terrorism "isn't", etc., etc. - even if just voluntarily. Which of course would be a shame, because there are others getting PAID to promote the very same identical positions and ideas that you are doing for FREE.

Sure - you're "expressing yourself" - stupidly and wrongheadedly of course - perhaps even "cowardly" as well. Because the big, bad truth is just too frightening to accept. Too bad there isn't a pill for that.

Lenin would have called you a "useful idiot".

I have to wonder if the "kid" calling for my banning even knows who "Lenin" is? (And no, he wasn't a member of the Beatles).

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The one theme that the debunkers have always boasted the most loudly about was how they would never ban anyone for merely expressing themselves in ways that did not violate GLP rules for the entire site.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


There's a big difference between expressing yourself and shilling for people like Clif and Nancy.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I'm not shilling for "people" but IDEAS. In Clif's case, I'm shilling for the idea that the future is made up of infinite timelines, but that some of those timelines have a much greater chance of manifesting than others. This notion was expressed by the farsight.org 2012 project. Courtney Brown asserted that they were not "making predictions" but simply reporting the results of their "experiments". With Clif recommending their material, he was essentially "shilling" for them - and I'm shilling for him shilling for them who are shilling for the idea that while predicting the future is "dicey" and fraught with hazards, some EVENTS are so massive in scale, and span so many timelines that they become "visible" enough to TAKE SERIOUS NOTE OF, and diligent steps to PREPARE FOR THEM are wise and warranted.

I'm shilling for IDEAS, which is another way of characterizing "expressing oneself".

You however are SHILLING for the establishment position that everything in academia is "true" (when it isn't), that "extremist" terrorism is the biggest threat to the planet, and black ops sponsored and manipulated terrorism "isn't", etc., etc. - even if just voluntarily. Which of course would be a shame, because there are others getting PAID to promote the very same identical positions and ideas that you are doing for FREE.

Sure - you're "expressing yourself" - stupidly and wrongheadedly of course - perhaps even "cowardly" as well. Because the big, bad truth is just too frightening to accept. Too bad there isn't a pill for that.

Lenin would have called you a "useful idiot".

I have to wonder if the "kid" calling for my banning even knows who "Lenin" is? (And no, he wasn't a member of the Beatles).
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


sadly, I think melfy is now only just grasping the idea that he is not only not necessary, but his behaviour by most `normal' people is considered borderline psychotic..

at the least...


TLR- I am now decided, melfy has outlived his (very minor) usefulness and has become a liability... I 2nd his banning and repeat my offer- if a paid membership is required for it, I am happy to pay for it
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The one theme that the debunkers have always boasted the most loudly about was how they would never ban anyone for merely expressing themselves in ways that did not violate GLP rules for the entire site.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


There's a big difference between expressing yourself and shilling for people like Clif and Nancy.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I'm not shilling for "people" but IDEAS. In Clif's case, I'm shilling for the idea that the future is made up of infinite timelines, but that some of those timelines have a much greater chance of manifesting than others. This notion was expressed by the farsight.org 2012 project. Courtney Brown asserted that they were not "making predictions" but simply reporting the results of their "experiments". With Clif recommending their material, he was essentially "shilling" for them - and I'm shilling for him shilling for them who are shilling for the idea that while predicting the future is "dicey" and fraught with hazards, some EVENTS are so massive in scale, and span so many timelines that they become "visible" enough to TAKE SERIOUS NOTE OF, and diligent steps to PREPARE FOR THEM are wise and warranted.

I'm shilling for IDEAS, which is another way of characterizing "expressing oneself".

You however are SHILLING for the establishment position that everything in academia is "true" (when it isn't), that "extremist" terrorism is the biggest threat to the planet, and black ops sponsored and manipulated terrorism "isn't", etc., etc. - even if just voluntarily. Which of course would be a shame, because there are others getting PAID to promote the very same identical positions and ideas that you are doing for FREE.

Sure - you're "expressing yourself" - stupidly and wrongheadedly of course - perhaps even "cowardly" as well. Because the big, bad truth is just too frightening to accept. Too bad there isn't a pill for that.

Lenin would have called you a "useful idiot".

I have to wonder if the "kid" calling for my banning even knows who "Lenin" is? (And no, he wasn't a member of the Beatles).
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


sadly, I think melfy is now only just grasping the idea that he is not only not necessary, but his behaviour by most `normal' people is considered borderline psychotic..

at the least...


TLR- I am now decided, melfy has outlived his (very minor) usefulness and has become a liability... I 2nd his banning and repeat my offer- if a paid membership is required for it, I am happy to pay for it
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


>> his behaviour by most `normal' people is considered borderline psychotic..

"Normal" huh? Normal means "status quo" - you think we have a "good" one? A lot of people think "normal" has become an acronym for "sheeple"?

Or would you dispute that?

No - of course not. You'd rather have me BANNED.

(Do *YOU* know who 'Lenin' was?)

It's a sad day indeed, if "banning" me is the only potent weapon left in the debunkers "vaunted" arsenal of "truth". The one weapon they BRAGGED they would never, ever USE like Nancy Lieder does.

Gee - and I thought the truth was unassailable?

But you probably subscribe instead to the Churchill maxim that the truth needs to be protected with a "bodyguard of lies".

So who's the "liar"?

(Do you even know who 'Churchill' was?)

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I'm not shilling for "people" but IDEAS. In Clif's case, I'm shilling for the idea that the future is made up of infinite timelines, but that some of those timelines have a much greater chance of manifesting than others. This notion was expressed by the farsight.org 2012 project. Courtney Brown asserted that they were not "making predictions" but simply reporting the results of their "experiments". With Clif recommending their material, he was essentially "shilling" for them - and I'm shilling for him shilling for them who are shilling for the idea that while predicting the future is "dicey" and fraught with hazards, some EVENTS are so massive in scale, and span so many timelines that they become "visible" enough to TAKE SERIOUS NOTE OF, and diligent steps to PREPARE FOR THEM are wise and warranted.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Wrong. You are clearly shilling for HIM because when his predictions fail, you won't acknowledge it. You come up with excuses, move the goal posts or simply move on to the next doom date that Clif or Nancy comes up with.

I'm shilling for IDEAS, which is another way of characterizing "expressing oneself".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Keep telling yourself that...you might even be able to convince yourself that's true.

You however are SHILLING for the establishment position that everything in academia is "true" (when it isn't), that "extremist" terrorism is the biggest threat to the planet, and black ops sponsored and manipulated terrorism "isn't", etc., etc. - even if just voluntarily. Which of course would be a shame, because there are others getting PAID to promote the very same identical positions and ideas that you are doing for FREE.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

I am doing no such thing and you know it. I have simply been pointing that people like Clif and Nancy don't know shit about what's going to happen in the future. I've never said anything about extremist terrorism being the biggest threat to this planet. I challenge you to find where I made any such statement. Nor have I ever mentioned anything about black ops terrorism. And exactly what positions and ideas are you claiming I or any other "debunker" is trying to push? If you call being right about Clif and Nancy shilling...then fine, I'm shilling. It feels great to be a shill.

Sure - you're "expressing yourself" - stupidly and wrongheadedly of course - perhaps even "cowardly" as well. Because the big, bad truth is just too frightening to accept. Too bad there isn't a pill for that.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Funny how that statement applies solely to yourself.

Lenin would have called you a "useful idiot".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Again, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Nancy and Clif would certainly say the same about you.
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I'm not shilling for "people" but IDEAS. In Clif's case, I'm shilling for the idea that the future is made up of infinite timelines, but that some of those timelines have a much greater chance of manifesting than others. This notion was expressed by the farsight.org 2012 project. Courtney Brown asserted that they were not "making predictions" but simply reporting the results of their "experiments". With Clif recommending their material, he was essentially "shilling" for them - and I'm shilling for him shilling for them who are shilling for the idea that while predicting the future is "dicey" and fraught with hazards, some EVENTS are so massive in scale, and span so many timelines that they become "visible" enough to TAKE SERIOUS NOTE OF, and diligent steps to PREPARE FOR THEM are wise and warranted.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Wrong. You are clearly shilling for HIM because when his predictions fail, you won't acknowledge it. You come up with excuses, move the goal posts or simply move on to the next doom date that Clif or Nancy comes up with.

I'm shilling for IDEAS, which is another way of characterizing "expressing oneself".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Keep telling yourself that...you might even be able to convince yourself that's true.

You however are SHILLING for the establishment position that everything in academia is "true" (when it isn't), that "extremist" terrorism is the biggest threat to the planet, and black ops sponsored and manipulated terrorism "isn't", etc., etc. - even if just voluntarily. Which of course would be a shame, because there are others getting PAID to promote the very same identical positions and ideas that you are doing for FREE.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

I am doing no such thing and you know it. I have simply been pointing that people like Clif and Nancy don't know shit about what's going to happen in the future. I've never said anything about extremist terrorism being the biggest threat to this planet. I challenge you to find where I made any such statement. Nor have I ever mentioned anything about black ops terrorism. And exactly what positions and ideas are you claiming I or any other "debunker" is trying to push? If you call being right about Clif and Nancy shilling...then fine, I'm shilling. It feels great to be a shill.

Sure - you're "expressing yourself" - stupidly and wrongheadedly of course - perhaps even "cowardly" as well. Because the big, bad truth is just too frightening to accept. Too bad there isn't a pill for that.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Funny how that statement applies solely to yourself.

Lenin would have called you a "useful idiot".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Again, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Nancy and Clif would certainly say the same about you.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


>> when his predictions fail, you won't acknowledge it.

Of course he's had predictions FAIL in many (maybe even most) cases - and for you guys anyway, fail to "impress" in the remainder.

THERE - I just acknowledged it. (Bookmark it)

As appears in contractual boilerplate all over the world:

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results


The outright failed predictions are not going to be disputed by anyone. The ones that "fail to impress" are a different story. The fact they fail to impress YOU is not very "persuasive" in forwarding the argument that he is a complete charlatan.

>> I have simply been pointing that people like Clif and Nancy don't know shit about what's going to happen in the future.

That is YOUR opinion. You are expressing yourself.

BanHim

No - just kidding. wink

The future is difficult to predict - for reasons given. That doesn't mean the attempt is pointless and a waste of time and effort. The farsight.org project is a perfect example of that. Consider the hazard/cost ratio. Some hazards are so great, that even if the chance of their occurrence is small, (like a tornado striking your home), we insure against it because the cost is so HUGE. There are mountains of prophecy pointing at some HUGE disaster in the near future. Even if prophecy in the main has a poor track record

AND I ACKNOWLEDGE IT DOES

What is being warned of is so HUGE and DISASTROUS that it would behoove us to pay SOME attention to it.

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They fail to impress because they simply failed. YOU simply refuse to accept that. Instead, you grasp at straws.
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I'm not shilling for "people" but IDEAS. In Clif's case, I'm shilling for the idea that the future is made up of infinite timelines, but that some of those timelines have a much greater chance of manifesting than others. This notion was expressed by the farsight.org 2012 project. Courtney Brown asserted that they were not "making predictions" but simply reporting the results of their "experiments". With Clif recommending their material, he was essentially "shilling" for them - and I'm shilling for him shilling for them who are shilling for the idea that while predicting the future is "dicey" and fraught with hazards, some EVENTS are so massive in scale, and span so many timelines that they become "visible" enough to TAKE SERIOUS NOTE OF, and diligent steps to PREPARE FOR THEM are wise and warranted.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Wrong. You are clearly shilling for HIM because when his predictions fail, you won't acknowledge it. You come up with excuses, move the goal posts or simply move on to the next doom date that Clif or Nancy comes up with.

I'm shilling for IDEAS, which is another way of characterizing "expressing oneself".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Keep telling yourself that...you might even be able to convince yourself that's true.

You however are SHILLING for the establishment position that everything in academia is "true" (when it isn't), that "extremist" terrorism is the biggest threat to the planet, and black ops sponsored and manipulated terrorism "isn't", etc., etc. - even if just voluntarily. Which of course would be a shame, because there are others getting PAID to promote the very same identical positions and ideas that you are doing for FREE.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

I am doing no such thing and you know it. I have simply been pointing that people like Clif and Nancy don't know shit about what's going to happen in the future. I've never said anything about extremist terrorism being the biggest threat to this planet. I challenge you to find where I made any such statement. Nor have I ever mentioned anything about black ops terrorism. And exactly what positions and ideas are you claiming I or any other "debunker" is trying to push? If you call being right about Clif and Nancy shilling...then fine, I'm shilling. It feels great to be a shill.

Sure - you're "expressing yourself" - stupidly and wrongheadedly of course - perhaps even "cowardly" as well. Because the big, bad truth is just too frightening to accept. Too bad there isn't a pill for that.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Funny how that statement applies solely to yourself.

Lenin would have called you a "useful idiot".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Again, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Nancy and Clif would certainly say the same about you.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


>> I've never said anything about extremist terrorism being the biggest threat to this planet. I challenge you to find where I made any such statement. Nor have I ever mentioned anything about black ops terrorism.

Your silence gives consent.
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you know- I am now firmly of the opinion that melfy should be banned from this thread

I know that TLR is the only one that can do it, as the op, but I think he has to be a paid member to do so??

I am willing to pay his fees if this is the case, just to see melfy denied his last trolling platform

melfy is both terminally in denial, and actively supporting people who have caused people to lose their money, friends, family and even their lives

enough is enough, I am willing to put up the $$ to have this sick little liar banned once and for all
 Quoting: aussie 763624 18387463


And that would be my ultimate VICTORY! For then, I will have pushed the debunkers into doing the **ONE** thing that to date they have PRIDED themselves on --NOT-- doing; i.e., emulating the great villian Nancy Lieder and her penchant for

:BanHim:

voices that disagree with her - and without behaving in any manner that even begins to rise to the abusive behavior of the debunkers themselves.

BAN ME, and you prove yourselves the rabid hypocrites I have always maintained that from DAY ONE you actually are!!!

IT WILL BE MY LAST AND GREATEST VICTORY!!! I will have decidedly and undeniably unmasked you.

And I am sure there will be plenty of folks who will never tire of reminding you all of that.

For you will be banning me for simply DEFENDING myself in the face of the mountains of abuse that have been heaped on me since day one in this thread. Even that last smilie, which goaded an offer to compensate TLR, was in response to Circuit Breaker's mocking of me.

Apparently "self defense" and "free speech" are not rights to be enjoyed in the <sarcasm>GREAT DEBUNKER THREAD</sarcasm>. - just as they are fading in our greater society as a whole. (US, Canada, Australia, UK - take your pick).

(Of course the debunkers will say I am "paranoid" for saying that, without of course expressly denying that it was in any way an incorrect assertion - for of course IT IS. They'll just never admit it, or discuss it.)
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

interestingly melfy- I would like to see that last post of yours actually shown (the one where you said we would never ban anyone ever just for disagreeing, please post a link to it)
and to think that your banning would `justify' itself to you- your own behaviour has been tolerated (not accepted mind you, but only tolerated) for YEARS, your guru never went for a single day without banning any dissenting voices

and to make it plainer- not one thing you have ever posted has shown to be true- even the stuff you claimed were `true'

only the last threat of banning made you pay up to Hap- and quite frankly- you wriggled and squirmed so much then it was embarrassing to watch- what it was to be you I'd rather not ever have to be in that position, but then I am not a habitual liar and troll like you...

not a single thing you have ever said has been shown to be true, and I feel rather sad for you, that your life has been reduced to such a state...

You have my commiserations and my pity, but not my acceptance of your behaviour

ban melfy
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you know- I am now firmly of the opinion that melfy should be banned from this thread

I know that TLR is the only one that can do it, as the op, but I think he has to be a paid member to do so??

I am willing to pay his fees if this is the case, just to see melfy denied his last trolling platform

melfy is both terminally in denial, and actively supporting people who have caused people to lose their money, friends, family and even their lives

enough is enough, I am willing to put up the $$ to have this sick little liar banned once and for all
 Quoting: aussie 763624 18387463


And that would be my ultimate VICTORY! For then, I will have pushed the debunkers into doing the **ONE** thing that to date they have PRIDED themselves on --NOT-- doing; i.e., emulating the great villian Nancy Lieder and her penchant for

BanHim

voices that disagree with her - and without behaving in any manner that even begins to rise to the abusive behavior of the debunkers themselves.

BAN ME, and you prove yourselves the rabid hypocrites I have always maintained that from DAY ONE you actually are!!!

IT WILL BE MY LAST AND GREATEST VICTORY!!! I will have decidedly and undeniably unmasked you.

And I am sure there will be plenty of folks who will never tire of reminding you all of that.

For you will be banning me for simply DEFENDING myself in the face of the mountains of abuse that have been heaped on me since day one in this thread. Even that last smilie, which goaded an offer to compensate TLR, was in response to Circuit Breaker's mocking of me.

Apparently "self defense" and "free speech" are not rights to be enjoyed in the <sarcasm>GREAT DEBUNKER THREAD</sarcasm>. - just as they are fading in our greater society as a whole. (US, Canada, Australia, UK - take your pick).

(Of course the debunkers will say I am "paranoid" for saying that, without of course expressly denying that it was in any way an incorrect assertion - for of course IT IS. They'll just never admit it, or discuss it.)
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

interestingly melfy- I would like to see that last post of yours actually shown (the one where you said we would never ban anyone ever just for disagreeing, please post a link to it)
and to think that your banning would `justify' itself to you- your own behaviour has been tolerated (not accepted mind you, but only tolerated) for YEARS, your guru never went for a single day without banning any dissenting voices

and to make it plainer- not one thing you have ever posted has shown to be true- even the stuff you claimed were `true'

only the last threat of banning made you pay up to Hap- and quite frankly- you wriggled and squirmed so much then it was embarrassing to watch- what it was to be you I'd rather not ever have to be in that position, but then I am not a habitual liar and troll like you...

not a single thing you have ever said has been shown to be true, and I feel rather sad for you, that your life has been reduced to such a state...

You have my commiserations and my pity, but not my acceptance of your behaviour

ban melfy
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


Frankly at this point, it would probably be a "good" thing if I was banned. Social media is becoming more and more of a hazardous pasttime, and being banned from this thread would pretty much end all my involvement with it. I don't do twitter or facebook.

TLR would probably be doing me a favor.
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TLR would probably be doing me a favor.
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yes, given the self delusional nature you have displayed here as your persona `zetamax' he would be doing you a favour if this is indeed a display of your actual personality..

if its simply a trolling effort either intentionally(paid) or unintentionally(suckered in), well that also would be very indicative of your personality...

you seem to be of the opinion that every other poster apart from yourself has trouble dressing themselves in the morning and you can calculate ten different prime numbers before breakfast...


several years posting tends to suggest that the opposite is true however....
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you know- I am now firmly of the opinion that melfy should be banned from this thread

I know that TLR is the only one that can do it, as the op, but I think he has to be a paid member to do so??

I am willing to pay his fees if this is the case, just to see melfy denied his last trolling platform

melfy is both terminally in denial, and actively supporting people who have caused people to lose their money, friends, family and even their lives

enough is enough, I am willing to put up the $$ to have this sick little liar banned once and for all
 Quoting: aussie 763624 18387463


And that would be my ultimate VICTORY! For then, I will have pushed the debunkers into doing the **ONE** thing that to date they have PRIDED themselves on --NOT-- doing; i.e., emulating the great villian Nancy Lieder and her penchant for

:BanHim:

voices that disagree with her - and without behaving in any manner that even begins to rise to the abusive behavior of the debunkers themselves.

BAN ME, and you prove yourselves the rabid hypocrites I have always maintained that from DAY ONE you actually are!!!

IT WILL BE MY LAST AND GREATEST VICTORY!!! I will have decidedly and undeniably unmasked you.

And I am sure there will be plenty of folks who will never tire of reminding you all of that.

For you will be banning me for simply DEFENDING myself in the face of the mountains of abuse that have been heaped on me since day one in this thread. Even that last smilie, which goaded an offer to compensate TLR, was in response to Circuit Breaker's mocking of me.

Apparently "self defense" and "free speech" are not rights to be enjoyed in the <sarcasm>GREAT DEBUNKER THREAD</sarcasm>. - just as they are fading in our greater society as a whole. (US, Canada, Australia, UK - take your pick).

(Of course the debunkers will say I am "paranoid" for saying that, without of course expressly denying that it was in any way an incorrect assertion - for of course IT IS. They'll just never admit it, or discuss it.)
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

interestingly melfy- I would like to see that last post of yours actually shown (the one where you said we would never ban anyone ever just for disagreeing, please post a link to it)
and to think that your banning would `justify' itself to you- your own behaviour has been tolerated (not accepted mind you, but only tolerated) for YEARS, your guru never went for a single day without banning any dissenting voices

and to make it plainer- not one thing you have ever posted has shown to be true- even the stuff you claimed were `true'

only the last threat of banning made you pay up to Hap- and quite frankly- you wriggled and squirmed so much then it was embarrassing to watch- what it was to be you I'd rather not ever have to be in that position, but then I am not a habitual liar and troll like you...

not a single thing you have ever said has been shown to be true, and I feel rather sad for you, that your life has been reduced to such a state...

You have my commiserations and my pity, but not my acceptance of your behaviour

ban melfy
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


Frankly at this point, it would probably be a "good" thing if I was banned. Social media is becoming more and more of a hazardous pasttime, and being banned from this thread would pretty much end all my involvement with it. I don't do twitter or facebook.

TLR would probably be doing me a favor.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


You are a lying attention seeking troll, which is why I try to ignore you. If you get banned we all know you have multiple socks here. All it would mean is you would have to dust one of them off and play in someone else's sandbox. I am no fan of censorship, but you bring nothing of value to the discussion. All of your bs the last few days has only distracted the discussion from Nancy's latest paranoia about mods flipping on her and her purge of the ning and dragged the thread back to being about you. You wore out my patience long ago, and most of the time I scroll past your idiocies. It's like watching someone cut himself for attention.
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And that would be my ultimate VICTORY! For then, I will have pushed the debunkers into doing the **ONE** thing that to date they have PRIDED themselves on --NOT-- doing; i.e., emulating the great villian Nancy Lieder and her penchant for

:BanHim:

voices that disagree with her - and without behaving in any manner that even begins to rise to the abusive behavior of the debunkers themselves.

BAN ME, and you prove yourselves the rabid hypocrites I have always maintained that from DAY ONE you actually are!!!

IT WILL BE MY LAST AND GREATEST VICTORY!!! I will have decidedly and undeniably unmasked you.

And I am sure there will be plenty of folks who will never tire of reminding you all of that.

For you will be banning me for simply DEFENDING myself in the face of the mountains of abuse that have been heaped on me since day one in this thread. Even that last smilie, which goaded an offer to compensate TLR, was in response to Circuit Breaker's mocking of me.

Apparently "self defense" and "free speech" are not rights to be enjoyed in the <sarcasm>GREAT DEBUNKER THREAD</sarcasm>. - just as they are fading in our greater society as a whole. (US, Canada, Australia, UK - take your pick).

(Of course the debunkers will say I am "paranoid" for saying that, without of course expressly denying that it was in any way an incorrect assertion - for of course IT IS. They'll just never admit it, or discuss it.)
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

interestingly melfy- I would like to see that last post of yours actually shown (the one where you said we would never ban anyone ever just for disagreeing, please post a link to it)
and to think that your banning would `justify' itself to you- your own behaviour has been tolerated (not accepted mind you, but only tolerated) for YEARS, your guru never went for a single day without banning any dissenting voices

and to make it plainer- not one thing you have ever posted has shown to be true- even the stuff you claimed were `true'

only the last threat of banning made you pay up to Hap- and quite frankly- you wriggled and squirmed so much then it was embarrassing to watch- what it was to be you I'd rather not ever have to be in that position, but then I am not a habitual liar and troll like you...

not a single thing you have ever said has been shown to be true, and I feel rather sad for you, that your life has been reduced to such a state...

You have my commiserations and my pity, but not my acceptance of your behaviour

ban melfy
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


Frankly at this point, it would probably be a "good" thing if I was banned. Social media is becoming more and more of a hazardous pasttime, and being banned from this thread would pretty much end all my involvement with it. I don't do twitter or facebook.

TLR would probably be doing me a favor.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


You are a lying attention seeking troll, which is why I try to ignore you. If you get banned we all know you have multiple socks here. All it would mean is you would have to dust one of them off and play in someone else's sandbox. I am no fan of censorship, but you bring nothing of value to the discussion. All of your bs the last few days has only distracted the discussion from Nancy's latest paranoia about mods flipping on her and her purge of the ning and dragged the thread back to being about you. You wore out my patience long ago, and most of the time I scroll past your idiocies. It's like watching someone cut himself for attention.
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Speaking of which -- what is the latest happenings on the Ning, and the mod who has jumped ship? Has more been added?
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Nothing much going on - as for the supposed "purge" of ning members, the membership numbers have not budged.

Based on a quick scan of ning 1, there is no mention of dissent or people jumping ship...I guess it's ignore it happened and maybe no one will notice.

As for the ship jumpers, Lothar is actively posting on ning 2.
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I can't view the ning, so I don't know. I think my IP has been banned.
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And that would be my ultimate VICTORY! For then, I will have pushed the debunkers into doing the **ONE** thing that to date they have PRIDED themselves on --NOT-- doing; i.e., emulating the great villian Nancy Lieder and her penchant for [banning]
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I hate to say, but I agree with Maxie on this.
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OK OK fess up which one of you debunkers is playing the max roll just to keep this thread going?

Give it up which one?
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There's a big difference between expressing yourself and shilling for people like Clif and Nancy.
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I'm not shilling for "people" but IDEAS. In Clif's case, I'm shilling for the idea that the future is made up of infinite timelines, but that some of those timelines have a much greater chance of manifesting than others. This notion was expressed by the farsight.org 2012 project. Courtney Brown asserted that they were not "making predictions" but simply reporting the results of their "experiments". With Clif recommending their material, he was essentially "shilling" for them - and I'm shilling for him shilling for them who are shilling for the idea that while predicting the future is "dicey" and fraught with hazards, some EVENTS are so massive in scale, and span so many timelines that they become "visible" enough to TAKE SERIOUS NOTE OF, and diligent steps to PREPARE FOR THEM are wise and warranted.

I'm shilling for IDEAS, which is another way of characterizing "expressing oneself".

You however are SHILLING for the establishment position that everything in academia is "true" (when it isn't), that "extremist" terrorism is the biggest threat to the planet, and black ops sponsored and manipulated terrorism "isn't", etc., etc. - even if just voluntarily. Which of course would be a shame, because there are others getting PAID to promote the very same identical positions and ideas that you are doing for FREE.

Sure - you're "expressing yourself" - stupidly and wrongheadedly of course - perhaps even "cowardly" as well. Because the big, bad truth is just too frightening to accept. Too bad there isn't a pill for that.

Lenin would have called you a "useful idiot".

I have to wonder if the "kid" calling for my banning even knows who "Lenin" is? (And no, he wasn't a member of the Beatles).
 Quoting: **melfy the useful idiot**


sadly, I think melfy is now only just grasping the idea that he is not only not necessary, but his behaviour by most `normal' people is considered borderline psychotic..

at the least...


TLR- I am now decided, melfy has outlived his (very minor) usefulness and has become a liability... I 2nd his banning and repeat my offer- if a paid membership is required for it, I am happy to pay for it
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


>> his behaviour by most `normal' people is considered borderline psychotic..

"Normal" huh? Normal means "status quo" - you think we have a "good" one? A lot of people think "normal" has become an acronym for "sheeple"?

Or would you dispute that?

No - of course not. You'd rather have me BANNED.

(Do *YOU* know who 'Lenin' was?)

It's a sad day indeed, if "banning" me is the only potent weapon left in the debunkers "vaunted" arsenal of "truth". The one weapon they BRAGGED they would never, ever USE like Nancy Lieder does.

Gee - and I thought the truth was unassailable?

But you probably subscribe instead to the Churchill maxim that the truth needs to be protected with a "bodyguard of lies".

So who's the "liar"?

(Do you even know who 'Churchill' was?)
 Quoting: **melfy the soon to be banned**


Who is the liar? By your own admission, YOU, melfy the liar

You contribute nothing aside from comedy gold with your lies, trolls, shilling and sock puppets. How many more sock puppets do you have, melfy the soon to be banned? You have confessed to running sock puppets, remember bridget? You dod it once, at least, you will do it again.

And you have admitted to being a liar, thus if you lied once, you will lie again.

You contribute nothing to the thread, you are a shill for conmen and crackpots, and deserve to be bounced out on your lying ass.

BAN melfy!!!
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TLR would probably be doing me a favor.
 Quoting: **melfy the worthless**

yes, given the self delusional nature you have displayed here as your persona `zetamax' he would be doing you a favour if this is indeed a display of your actual personality..

if its simply a trolling effort either intentionally(paid) or unintentionally(suckered in), well that also would be very indicative of your personality...

you seem to be of the opinion that every other poster apart from yourself has trouble dressing themselves in the morning and you can calculate ten different prime numbers before breakfast...


several years posting tends to suggest that the opposite is true however....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


Of course melfy the soon to be banned troll could just be the poster child for Dunning Kruger Syndrome.

Of course melfy the fool does not know what that syndrome is...
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you know- I am now firmly of the opinion that melfy should be banned from this thread

I know that TLR is the only one that can do it, as the op, but I think he has to be a paid member to do so??

I am willing to pay his fees if this is the case, just to see melfy denied his last trolling platform

melfy is both terminally in denial, and actively supporting people who have caused people to lose their money, friends, family and even their lives

enough is enough, I am willing to put up the $$ to have this sick little liar banned once and for all
 Quoting: aussie 763624 18387463


And that would be my ultimate VICTORY! For then, I will have pushed the debunkers into doing the **ONE** thing that to date they have PRIDED themselves on --NOT-- doing; i.e., emulating the great villian Nancy Lieder and her penchant for

:BanHim:

voices that disagree with her - and without behaving in any manner that even begins to rise to the abusive behavior of the debunkers themselves.

BAN ME, and you prove yourselves the rabid hypocrites I have always maintained that from DAY ONE you actually are!!!

IT WILL BE MY LAST AND GREATEST VICTORY!!! I will have decidedly and undeniably unmasked you.

And I am sure there will be plenty of folks who will never tire of reminding you all of that.

For you will be banning me for simply DEFENDING myself in the face of the mountains of abuse that have been heaped on me since day one in this thread. Even that last smilie, which goaded an offer to compensate TLR, was in response to Circuit Breaker's mocking of me.

Apparently "self defense" and "free speech" are not rights to be enjoyed in the <sarcasm>GREAT DEBUNKER THREAD</sarcasm>. - just as they are fading in our greater society as a whole. (US, Canada, Australia, UK - take your pick).

(Of course the debunkers will say I am "paranoid" for saying that, without of course expressly denying that it was in any way an incorrect assertion - for of course IT IS. They'll just never admit it, or discuss it.)
 Quoting: **melfy the shill**

interestingly melfy- I would like to see that last post of yours actually shown (the one where you said we would never ban anyone ever just for disagreeing, please post a link to it)
and to think that your banning would `justify' itself to you- your own behaviour has been tolerated (not accepted mind you, but only tolerated) for YEARS, your guru never went for a single day without banning any dissenting voices

and to make it plainer- not one thing you have ever posted has shown to be true- even the stuff you claimed were `true'

only the last threat of banning made you pay up to Hap- and quite frankly- you wriggled and squirmed so much then it was embarrassing to watch- what it was to be you I'd rather not ever have to be in that position, but then I am not a habitual liar and troll like you...

not a single thing you have ever said has been shown to be true, and I feel rather sad for you, that your life has been reduced to such a state...

You have my commiserations and my pity, but not my acceptance of your behaviour

ban melfy
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


Frankly at this point, it would probably be a "good" thing if I was banned. Social media is becoming more and more of a hazardous pasttime, and being banned from this thread would pretty much end all my involvement with it. I don't do twitter or facebook.

TLR would probably be doing me a favor.
 Quoting: **melfy begging to be banned**


Then your request should be honored with a banning.

You are a living example of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. You are an admitted liar, so why should anyone believe a word you say?

BAN melfy!!!
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TLR would probably be doing me a favor.
 Quoting: **melfy the worthless**

yes, given the self delusional nature you have displayed here as your persona `zetamax' he would be doing you a favour if this is indeed a display of your actual personality..

if its simply a trolling effort either intentionally(paid) or unintentionally(suckered in), well that also would be very indicative of your personality...

you seem to be of the opinion that every other poster apart from yourself has trouble dressing themselves in the morning and you can calculate ten different prime numbers before breakfast...


several years posting tends to suggest that the opposite is true however....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


Of course melfy the soon to be banned troll could just be the poster child for Dunning Kruger Syndrome.

Of course melfy the fool does not know what that syndrome is...
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Tell you what - go start a thread, and post the link here. I will go register one post there (and vote it a one star), and you can then experience the orgastic pleasure of BANNING ME from it!

Whadda ya say???

(Oh - that's right, you're NOT A PAYING MEMBER ... too bad!)

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TLR would probably be doing me a favor.
 Quoting: **melfy the worthless**

yes, given the self delusional nature you have displayed here as your persona `zetamax' he would be doing you a favour if this is indeed a display of your actual personality..

if its simply a trolling effort either intentionally(paid) or unintentionally(suckered in), well that also would be very indicative of your personality...

you seem to be of the opinion that every other poster apart from yourself has trouble dressing themselves in the morning and you can calculate ten different prime numbers before breakfast...


several years posting tends to suggest that the opposite is true however....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


Of course melfy the soon to be banned troll could just be the poster child for Dunning Kruger Syndrome.

Of course melfy the fool does not know what that syndrome is...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


Tell you what - go start a thread, and post the link here. I will go register one post there (and vote it a one star), and you can then experience the orgastic pleasure of BANNING ME from it!

Whadda ya say???

(Oh - that's right, you're NOT A PAYING MEMBER ... too bad!)
 Quoting: **melfy the useless**


Rather have you banned from this one where you contribute nothing, and that tasks you, doesn't it?
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yes, given the self delusional nature you have displayed here as your persona `zetamax' he would be doing you a favour if this is indeed a display of your actual personality..

if its simply a trolling effort either intentionally(paid) or unintentionally(suckered in), well that also would be very indicative of your personality...

you seem to be of the opinion that every other poster apart from yourself has trouble dressing themselves in the morning and you can calculate ten different prime numbers before breakfast...


several years posting tends to suggest that the opposite is true however....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 1382632


Of course melfy the soon to be banned troll could just be the poster child for Dunning Kruger Syndrome.

Of course melfy the fool does not know what that syndrome is...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


Tell you what - go start a thread, and post the link here. I will go register one post there (and vote it a one star), and you can then experience the orgastic pleasure of BANNING ME from it!

Whadda ya say???

(Oh - that's right, you're NOT A PAYING MEMBER ... too bad!)
 Quoting: **melfy the useless**


Rather have you banned from this one where you contribute nothing, and that tasks you, doesn't it?
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Hey Melf, honestly what positive conrtibutions have you MADE to this thread????? Got 1000 pages and I cant find a one.......
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That is because he has not made one. Not one post that is anything but shilling, trolling or lies.
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Your silence gives consent.
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In other words, you know I've never said any such thing.
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