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Maxie is a jackass troll. He used to troll with Nancy Lieder's stuff. Now he trolls with Cliff's stuff. Period.
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I think everybody would like to hear you explain how you could have ever believed the obvious horseshit Nancy spewed.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims,
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Name three.
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Looks like I hit a nerve there, or what? yeahsure

Nancy's construct is certainly not an "obvious horseshit" otherwise it wouldn't be so sucessful as it is.

In fact Nancy utilizes a vulnerability that everyone shares (including yourself), which is the desire to seek for answers that mostly remain unanswered nowadays..

In that she made rather good job for those who feel comfortable with her seemingly detailed theories on matters, however there surely are absurd claims aswell.

I'd be more careful with conclusions and instead of playing the "I knew it all along" role, embracing your ego, I'd leave the kindergarten behind and move to a reasonable view on matters (the same counts for the claims about "ZetaMax").

btw: Name three authentic information?

1. Earth is a schoolhouse
2. Half-truths gain the most traction
3. "Denial is used extensively in human society, more than the average human would expect. "


Chill bro... leave the emotions at home.
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highfive_
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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It was up to 1080, then 16 pages of material were removed. No idea which.
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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It was up to 1080, then 16 pages of material were removed. No idea which.
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I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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Glad i wasn't imagining! Thanks!!
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Maxie is a jackass troll. He used to troll with Nancy Lieder's stuff. Now he trolls with Cliff's stuff. Period.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


I think everybody would like to hear you explain how you could have ever believed the obvious horseshit Nancy spewed.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims,
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 19958795



Name three.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


Looks like I hit a nerve there, or what? yeahsure

Nancy's construct is certainly not an "obvious horseshit" otherwise it wouldn't be so sucessful as it is.

In fact Nancy utilizes a vulnerability that everyone shares (including yourself), which is the desire to seek for answers that mostly remain unanswered nowadays..

In that she made rather good job for those who feel comfortable with her seemingly detailed theories on matters, however there surely are absurd claims aswell.

I'd be more careful with conclusions and instead of playing the "I knew it all along" role, embracing your ego, I'd leave the kindergarten behind and move to a reasonable view on matters (the same counts for the claims about "ZetaMax").

btw: Name three authentic information?

1. Earth is a schoolhouse
2. Half-truths gain the most traction
3. "Denial is used extensively in human society, more than the average human would expect. "


Chill bro... leave the emotions at home.
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:highfive_:
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Cheers, although In my opinion you're having your lessons too.

Do you really need Clif or Nancy to figure things out? I doubt. Your behaviour reminds me of someone who's just "contra" for the sake of signalizing you're different... I really think you need to make some compromises in your life.

My best of luck
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"Earth is a schoolhouse."

WTF? Earth is a planet. Lots of things live here, most of them trying to eat the others. You can no more 'prove' Earth is some sort of human-centered training center than I can prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the Universe a billion years ago just to obtain a steady supply of pasta.

Vague nonsense, just like the other two assertions. But vague nonsense is what Nancy thrives on -- nothing concrete, nothing testable, because as soon as her claims venture out of the realm of clumsy fantasy they get debunked, every single time.

I laugh in open derision.
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"Earth is a schoolhouse."

WTF? Earth is a planet. Lots of things live here, most of them trying to eat the others. You can no more 'prove' Earth is some sort of human-centered training center than I can prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the Universe a billion years ago just to obtain a steady supply of pasta.

Vague nonsense, just like the other two assertions. But vague nonsense is what Nancy thrives on -- nothing concrete, nothing testable, because as soon as her claims venture out of the realm of clumsy fantasy they get debunked, every single time.

I laugh in open derision.
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You're absolutely right..

However I also think it is clear to what kind of claims I am refering when saying she "implants authentic information" and I think we dont need cherry-picking in this case.

I guess though that your initial intent was to give a general statement about your view on matters, which we appreciate of course ;).
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I have no idea which of Nancy's claims you believe to be valid.

Certainly everything presented in ZetaTalk concerning astronomy, physics, astrophysics, chemistry, biology, and mathematics was wrong.
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I laugh in open derision.
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That is an interesting statement, and in this case I'll a little cherry pick.

I need to confess that I find myself amused by the predictablity, or more precisely the simplicity that Nancy's thinking achieved, however this is a double-egded sword.

Nancy twists a lot of people's life and this includes driving people bankrupt, dividing families, relationships and I'd assume she'd even drive people into death. About this part there's nothing to laugh, except if you're liking people suffer.
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First, I never claimed to be anything other than a heartless bastard.

Second, I laugh at all things ZT, not at the dire consequences of those who take them seriously. Although, frankly, anyone that stupid is destined to wind up as a bit piece in "News of the Weird" anyway. The Darwin Awards find no lack of suitable candidates...
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I have no idea which of Nancy's claims you believe to be valid.

Certainly everything presented in ZetaTalk concerning astronomy, physics, astrophysics, chemistry, biology, and mathematics was wrong.
 Quoting: Returner 997


I agree, but there are also thoughts of herself that have a reasonable background.
Many of her psychologic observations or thoughts about a "apocalyptic scenario" have a rational background (in that I'd define them as authentic).

If you define "authentic" as genuinely new conclusions, you'd probably need to search for a long while. In other words: Yes she's an amateur in the above mentioned regions in my opinion aswell.
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First, I never claimed to be anything other than a heartless bastard.

Second, I laugh at all things ZT, not at the dire consequences of those who take them seriously. Although, frankly, anyone that stupid is destined to wind up as a bit piece in "News of the Weird" anyway. The Darwin Awards find no lack of suitable candidates...
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Well thats your very good right of the free-will and I respect that..

Everybody makes mistakes, nobody is excempt.. Just if they "pay" too much for this lesson is another question. One that seems to be sorted out individually.
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Hmmm, you no longer believe any of NL-stuff? Even the earlier stuff?

That is quite the life-style change you've undergone. From full on believer to full on skeptic. I'm sure that the poleshift ning was a time consuming job. A full on 180.

Have you met NL in person many times or at all?
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Nope, thats not what I said and actually you seem to be jumping on conclusions (for a second time now).

If you want to use that analogy a 90°-turn would fit better.
This was a lesson for me to be more careful with assumptions.

And Nope, I've not meet Nancy in person, however I had several skype-conversations with her including webcam-sessions.

As for "no longer beliving any of the NL-stuff" you seem to be either demanding 100% or 0%, but reality is more complicate than that.

As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims, so saying not believing any of it would simply be ignoring facts. Now what is fact and what is not remains up to you.
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Well thanks for taking the time to reply mate, much appreciated. You can surely understand my curiosity.

Would you mind explaining to me where you stand now in regards to the pole shift theory? knowing what you do from both belief systems i find this intriguing. As most participating in this thread are of the opinion that there is no pole shift in the near future and no Planet X.

To be a moderator, you must have believed that Nancy is a contactee, have you changed in that belief? (my assumption). I have to admit what a frustrating place that ning is but it does seem to be somewhat consistent in terms of posting relevant information relating to what is happening on earth at the moment, while we all have to use our own free will to discern what is truth the Zeta's have at the very least provided much food for thought.

What, in your opinion is the motive behind what you consider to be lies and manipulation on the part of those at the ning?
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I totally understand your curiosity and your position... nothing wrong with asking mate ;)

Would you mind explaining to me where you stand now in regards to the pole shift theory?

I did not discarded the pole-shift theory as yet, since there seem to be many hints in that direction independently from Nancy.. (the same counts for Nibiru, aka. "planet X" - Nancy's preferred term)

To be a moderator, you must have believed that Nancy is a contactee, have you changed in that belief?

What, in your opinion is the motive behind what you consider to be lies and manipulation on the part of those at the ning?

Yes I believed that Nancy is a contactee and I did changed my belief in this regard.. Currently I have the feeling that I can read Nancy like a book and I can relate all she said to her motives which are attention and the feeling of control in mind.

In my opinion Nancy is a very smart person who came across the "new-age-stuff" early and realized the potential to twist the truth there.
It might be that she is convinced of PX herself and just wants to be in the center of attention once it would come up or lead in a similar direction.

There are opinions that Nancy is "fullfilling her role" by doing her brainwashing as a lesson to become more independent...
I personally do not share this opinion though and see it as a plain attempt to manipulate people for a personal agenda she aims.

Nancy does not need to work anymore, enjoys a relatively broad attention and is ascribed to be "in contact with STO-entities" by many people.
"Not bad", if you're one of the selfish ones.... although rather poor once you've become familiar with her means of manipulation.

Hope that answers your questions..
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Though the post was directed toward me, I appreciate some of these insights. What did you/do you find compelling in the PX story? How did you discover ZT in the first place?
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So who will be "RIGHT Again!" ... ME or CLIF????

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"RIGHT Again?" When have either of you EVER been right even once?
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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I guess someone else knows BS when they see it.
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I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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I guess someone else knows BS when they see it.
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Why, then ZetaSOONS posts schould be deleted as well.
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I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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I guess someone else knows BS when they see it.
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In his last posting on his site, he said some "unkind" things about GLP. I'll leave it at that ...
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I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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I guess someone else knows BS when they see it.
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Why, then ZetaSOONS posts schould be deleted as well.
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Nancy has a message for you:

broken_useless

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Nancy has a message for you:

broken_useless
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Since that will never happen, her words are meaningless.

And how nice of you to wish such pain and agony on someone. Those may be Nancy's words but YOU posted them.

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Nancy has a message for you:

broken_useless
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Since that will never happen, her words are meaningless.

And how nice of you to wish such pain and agony on someone. Those may be Nancy's words but YOU posted them.
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Not a "wish" but a WARNING. My WISH is that Anonymous Coward 17230 recognizes the error of his ways, and commits to being a soldier for TRUTH and enlightenment rather than "power" and self-aggrandizement and one-upsmanship.

The warning is simple: "As ye sow, so shall ye reap".

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Nancy has a message for you:

:broken_useless:
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


The same could apply for you too.
Switch the mountain with Nancy or Clif, and the limbs with your actions in accordance to certain beliefs you shared.

If that point is ever reached I'd suggest to remind yourself that you don't need to be anxious about anything. (even if you find yourself naked with broken limbs, even if you made a big mistake that you need to admit to yourself, even if you die)...
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Nancy has a message for you:

:broken_useless:
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Since that will never happen, her words are meaningless.

And how nice of you to wish such pain and agony on someone. Those may be Nancy's words but YOU posted them.
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Not a "wish" but a WARNING. My WISH is that Anonymous Coward 17230 recognizes the error of his ways, and commits to being a soldier for TRUTH and enlightenment rather than "power" and self-aggrandizement and one-upsmanship.

The warning is simple: "As ye sow, so shall ye reap".
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And how, precisely, do YOU sow?
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Ooops - Poleshit-Nancy did it again:

Thread: Poleshift, Planet X, Earth's Dark Twin - Poleshit Nancy fails again.


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Maxie is a jackass troll. He used to troll with Nancy Lieder's stuff. Now he trolls with Cliff's stuff. Period.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


I think everybody would like to hear you explain how you could have ever believed the obvious horseshit Nancy spewed.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims,
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Name three.
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Looks like I hit a nerve there, or what? yeahsure
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Not at all. Just asking obvious questions.

Nancy's construct is certainly not an "obvious horseshit" otherwise it wouldn't be so sucessful as it is.
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Her "construct"? I'm talking about her facts and details which were offered in support of what you seem to call her "construct". Yes- obvious horseshit.


In fact Nancy utilizes a vulnerability that everyone shares (including yourself), which is the desire to seek for answers that mostly remain unanswered nowadays..

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And? My question is about how you could ever accept the clearly spurious "scientific" claims Nancy made.

In that she made rather good job for those who feel comfortable with her seemingly detailed theories on matters, however there surely are absurd claims aswell.
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"Seemingly detailed". Precisely, but the details were all obvious horseshit. How did you not see that crap like "abnormally rotating moon" were just that? It's very basic, BASIC astronomy.

I'd be more careful with conclusions and instead of playing the "I knew it all along" role, embracing your ego, I'd leave the kindergarten behind and move to a reasonable view on matters (the same counts for the claims about "ZetaMax").
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YOU would be more careful? YOU should have been more careful when evaluating Nancy's claims from the beginning. I think you are not in a position to give advice, here. Yes, I "knew it all along". As soon as she gave any hard details/facts it was clear that she was talking out of her ass.

btw: Name three authentic information?

1. Earth is a schoolhouse
2. Half-truths gain the most traction
3. "Denial is used extensively in human society, more than the average human would expect. "
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Low-level amateur psychology. THAT is what led you to believe the rest of Nancy's nonsense? Really?!

Chill bro... leave the emotions at home.
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My emotional state is none of your business and you have jumped to one hell of a conclusion about it.
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Maxie is a jackass troll. He used to troll with Nancy Lieder's stuff. Now he trolls with Cliff's stuff. Period.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


I think everybody would like to hear you explain how you could have ever believed the obvious horseshit Nancy spewed.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


...



Name three.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


Looks like I hit a nerve there, or what? yeahsure

Nancy's construct is certainly not an "obvious horseshit" otherwise it wouldn't be so sucessful as it is.

In fact Nancy utilizes a vulnerability that everyone shares (including yourself), which is the desire to seek for answers that mostly remain unanswered nowadays..

In that she made rather good job for those who feel comfortable with her seemingly detailed theories on matters, however there surely are absurd claims aswell.

I'd be more careful with conclusions and instead of playing the "I knew it all along" role, embracing your ego, I'd leave the kindergarten behind and move to a reasonable view on matters (the same counts for the claims about "ZetaMax").

btw: Name three authentic information?

1. Earth is a schoolhouse
2. Half-truths gain the most traction
3. "Denial is used extensively in human society, more than the average human would expect. "


Chill bro... leave the emotions at home.
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 20019406


:highfive_:
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Cheers, although In my opinion you're having your lessons too.

Do you really need Clif or Nancy to figure things out? I doubt. Your behaviour reminds me of someone who's just "contra" for the sake of signalizing you're different... I really think you need to make some compromises in your life.

My best of luck
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AHEM... This is what we call a "jackass troll", and for good reason. You're new here. Why don't you act like it instead of wading in and imagining that you know everything about what has happened here?
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About the missing pages. I tried to quote a post which mentioned Cliff's thing and got a warning about it. Apparently anything mentioning his thing has been purged.
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Earth IS mans school house. Why else are we here? You want to know some psychology? maybe you should try work on dissolving the barriers in your consciousness by quieting your ego and allowing the subconscious and unconscious parts of your brain to communicate. I think every one would benefit from this exercise, not excluding my self.

Zetatalk incorporates many spiritual concepts that have been around for a long time, relating to densities, freewill and spiritual orientation. If even such basic tenants elude you, then I think all these words I'm saying are in vain.

Its obvious the alien presence is a real one, and maybe as humanities consciousness evolves ET's would be interested in assisting our evolution, with out interfering, before we destroy Mother Earth and rape her for her resources and spew pollutants into the atmosphere and kill ourselves any way. I think its important to remember how juvenile the human race is playing with nuclear weapons and watching hours of TV and eating Mc D's and KFC, I'm sure we must all look like small children fighting over who has the best toy (fighting over religion).

The pole shift theory also is not as "horse shit" as you seem to think.. as even Einstein gave the hypothesis credence, so whether valid or not it certainly isn't horseshit!! Regardless of a cataclysmic event such as "Nancy's poleshift", if we continue on our current path we will surely destroy our selves any way. We are depleting our ocean resources through over exploitation of marine ecosystems, destroying our soil through deforestation and over farming, polluting the atmosphere with toxins on a daily basis. Extracting too much ground water. This along with the current state of the planets weather and tectonic behavior is certainly cause for concern as any one capable of reading between the lines could discern.

peacepeace

EDIT: Who the heck is Cliff??

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Earth IS mans school house. Why else are we here? You want to know some psychology? maybe you should try work on dissolving the barriers in your consciousness by quieting your ego and allowing the subconscious and unconscious parts of your brain to communicate. I think every one would benefit from this exercise, not excluding my self.

Zetatalk incorporates many spiritual concepts that have been around for a long time, relating to densities, freewill and spiritual orientation. If even such basic tenants elude you, then I think all these words I'm saying are in vain.

Its obvious the alien presence is a real one, and maybe as humanities consciousness evolves ET's would be interested in assisting our evolution, with out interfering, before we destroy Mother Earth and rape her for her resources and spew pollutants into the atmosphere and kill ourselves any way. I think its important to remember how juvenile the human race is playing with nuclear weapons and watching hours of TV and eating Mc D's and KFC, I'm sure we must all look like small children fighting over who has the best toy (fighting over religion).

The pole shift theory also is not as "horse shit" as you seem to think.. as even Einstein gave the hypothesis credence, so whether valid or not it certainly isn't horseshit!! Regardless of a cataclysmic event such as "Nancy's poleshift", if we continue on our current path we will surely destroy our selves any way. We are depleting our ocean resources through over exploitation of marine ecosystems, destroying our soil through deforestation and over farming, polluting the atmosphere with toxins on a daily basis. Extracting too much ground water. This along with the current state of the planets weather and tectonic behavior is certainly cause for concern as any one capable of reading between the lines could discern.

peacepeace

EDIT: Who the heck is Cliff??
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Yes, the pole shift idea is horseshit- Einstein notwithstanding. Every single supposed evidence behind it seems to be utterly baseless.
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Earth IS mans school house. Why else are we here? You want to know some psychology? maybe you should try work on dissolving the barriers in your consciousness by quieting your ego and allowing the subconscious and unconscious parts of your brain to communicate. I think every one would benefit from this exercise, not excluding my self.

Zetatalk incorporates many spiritual concepts that have been around for a long time, relating to densities, freewill and spiritual orientation. If even such basic tenants elude you, then I think all these words I'm saying are in vain.

Its obvious the alien presence is a real one, and maybe as humanities consciousness evolves ET's would be interested in assisting our evolution, with out interfering, before we destroy Mother Earth and rape her for her resources and spew pollutants into the atmosphere and kill ourselves any way. I think its important to remember how juvenile the human race is playing with nuclear weapons and watching hours of TV and eating Mc D's and KFC, I'm sure we must all look like small children fighting over who has the best toy (fighting over religion).

The pole shift theory also is not as "horse shit" as you seem to think.. as even Einstein gave the hypothesis credence, so whether valid or not it certainly isn't horseshit!! Regardless of a cataclysmic event such as "Nancy's poleshift", if we continue on our current path we will surely destroy our selves any way. We are depleting our ocean resources through over exploitation of marine ecosystems, destroying our soil through deforestation and over farming, polluting the atmosphere with toxins on a daily basis. Extracting too much ground water. This along with the current state of the planets weather and tectonic behavior is certainly cause for concern as any one capable of reading between the lines could discern.

peacepeace

EDIT: Who the heck is Cliff??
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Yes, the pole shift idea is horseshit- Einstein notwithstanding. Every single supposed evidence behind it seems to be utterly baseless.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Obviously u know nothing of geology as there have been changes in the flow of lava which flows to align with magnetic north (due to the iron content)... What does this indicate?? Funny these changes roughly line up with the supposed orbit of "planet x"...

It has been recorded in folk lore for Millennia. Hopi Indian prophecy of the red kachina, Jewish exodus, oahspe book, Many psychics and visionaries have predicted a pole shift, most notably Edgar Cayce.. Funny that the Jewish exodus lines up with the Santorini eruption which wiped out the Minoan civilization, around 1600 BC...

To each their own mate!! Maybe you could spread some love, not hate!





GLP