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I've got an idea..

Why don't you all make calls to your local authorities and news agencies, detailing the harm that you feel Nancy and that ning are causing and get her exposed in the news or something rather than crying about it on the internet. Going by what I'm reading her this is serious stuff.

Now wouldn't that be something!!!
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Actually thats a rather bad idea in one respect, she is an absolute media sl.t, and love to start getting attention from major news services- even if it was `bad publicity', she would revel in the media spotlight being focused on her.

All you have to do is look at how she turned on C2C after they stopped putting her on their broadcasts (even to laugh at her), she went right off at them...

'There's no such thing as bad publicity'
PT Barnum


`The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.'
Oscar Wilde

Sayings nancy LIEder lives by...
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Comment by heyreh maier
"i found this video on youtube. South Germany 16.07.12 at 16:00h / i'm not sure, if it's real!
[link to www.youtube.com]
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]
I think she's the number one nominee for the next cleanup.




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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Can we look into the future? Nope... just use common sense^^
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That's what we're trying to tell Max, but he keeps buying into false prophets. Currently, he's on the *unmentionable* bandwagon...even though he's never gotten anything right either.
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Maxie doesn't believe that crap. He's just messing with you.
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Can we look into the future? Nope... just use common sense^^
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That's what we're trying to tell Max, but he keeps buying into false prophets. Currently, he's on the *unmentionable* bandwagon...even though he's never gotten anything right either.
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Maxie doesn't believe that crap. He's just messing with you.
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Do you think so? He sounds like a pretty poor victim to me.. at least I see "seemingly" rational thinking behind his comments..even though he has the same signs of denial..(So not really a genuis-act, although this of course would provide a good seeming motive for an intended distraction "messing up with me"-agenda.)
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Can we look into the future? Nope... just use common sense^^
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That's what we're trying to tell Max, but he keeps buying into false prophets. Currently, he's on the *unmentionable* bandwagon...even though he's never gotten anything right either.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Maxie doesn't believe that crap. He's just messing with you.
 Quoting: Menow 1259583


Do you think so? He sounds like a pretty poor victim to me.. at least I see "seemingly" rational thinking behind his comments..even though he has the same signs of denial..(So not really a genuis-act, although this of course would provide a good seeming motive for an intended distraction "messing up with me"-agenda.)
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Or is that simple "sarcasm" between you two?
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More about tunnel vision..

Weren't you the moderator? If so, I've read most of your expose and have seen some of your old posts on the ning. Did you believe what you were posting at the time?

I'm under the impression you still believe in Planet X and support the earthchanges.ning. Am I right?
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More about tunnel vision..

Weren't you the moderator? If so, I've read most of your expose and have seen some of your old posts on the ning. Did you believe what you were posting at the time?

I'm under the impression you still believe in Planet X and support the earthchanges.ning. Am I right?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Yep thats me, and yes I was believing the NL-stuff at that time. (Ill probably soon write something on these matters as there is a lot of interest. (Also when the "turning point" occured etc.)

As for Planet X, I've become skeptic. As I detailed in my document, theoretically there might be something (Im not necessarily familiar with the matter to say either way with certainity)..however it is nowhere how Nancy wants to let us believe, thats for sure.

As for the earthchanges.ning I need to distance myself, since only relevant in this matter was the fact that it is a Ning with many former PS-Ning Moderators.
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Hmmm, you no longer believe any of NL-stuff? Even the earlier stuff?

That is quite the life-style change you've undergone. From full on believer to full on skeptic. I'm sure that the poleshift ning was a time consuming job. A full on 180.

Have you met NL in person many times or at all?
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Can we look into the future? Nope... just use common sense^^
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-vision 19408378


That's what we're trying to tell Max, but he keeps buying into false prophets. Currently, he's on the *unmentionable* bandwagon...even though he's never gotten anything right either.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Maxie doesn't believe that crap. He's just messing with you.
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Yes, he is a classic troll.
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Hmmm, you no longer believe any of NL-stuff? Even the earlier stuff?

That is quite the life-style change you've undergone. From full on believer to full on skeptic. I'm sure that the poleshift ning was a time consuming job. A full on 180.

Have you met NL in person many times or at all?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_



Nope, thats not what I said and actually you seem to be jumping on conclusions (for a second time now).

If you want to use that analogy a 90°-turn would fit better.
This was a lesson for me to be more careful with assumptions.

And Nope, I've not meet Nancy in person, however I had several skype-conversations with her including webcam-sessions.

As for "no longer beliving any of the NL-stuff" you seem to be either demanding 100% or 0%, but reality is more complicate than that.

As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims, so saying not believing any of it would simply be ignoring facts. Now what is fact and what is not remains up to you.
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Hmmm, you no longer believe any of NL-stuff? Even the earlier stuff?

That is quite the life-style change you've undergone. From full on believer to full on skeptic. I'm sure that the poleshift ning was a time consuming job. A full on 180.

Have you met NL in person many times or at all?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_



Nope, thats not what I said and actually you seem to be jumping on conclusions (for a second time now).

If you want to use that analogy a 90°-turn would fit better.
This was a lesson for me to be more careful with assumptions.

And Nope, I've not meet Nancy in person, however I had several skype-conversations with her including webcam-sessions.

As for "no longer beliving any of the NL-stuff" you seem to be either demanding 100% or 0%, but reality is more complicate than that.

As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims, so saying not believing any of it would simply be ignoring facts. Now what is fact and what is not remains up to you.
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Well thanks for taking the time to reply mate, much appreciated. You can surely understand my curiosity.

Would you mind explaining to me where you stand now in regards to the pole shift theory? knowing what you do from both belief systems i find this intriguing. As most participating in this thread are of the opinion that there is no pole shift in the near future and no Planet X.

To be a moderator, you must have believed that Nancy is a contactee, have you changed in that belief? (my assumption). I have to admit what a frustrating place that ning is but it does seem to be somewhat consistent in terms of posting relevant information relating to what is happening on earth at the moment, while we all have to use our own free will to discern what is truth the Zeta's have at the very least provided much food for thought.

What, in your opinion is the motive behind what you consider to be lies and manipulation on the part of those at the ning?
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Can we look into the future? Nope... just use common sense^^
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-vision 19408378


That's what we're trying to tell Max, but he keeps buying into false prophets. Currently, he's on the *unmentionable* bandwagon...even though he's never gotten anything right either.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Maxie doesn't believe that crap. He's just messing with you.
 Quoting: Menow 1259583


Do you think so? He sounds like a pretty poor victim to me.. at least I see "seemingly" rational thinking behind his comments..even though he has the same signs of denial..(So not really a genuis-act, although this of course would provide a good seeming motive for an intended distraction "messing up with me"-agenda.)
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 19958795


Maxie is a jackass troll. He used to troll with Nancy Lieder's stuff. Now he trolls with Cliff's stuff. Period.
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More about tunnel vision..

Weren't you the moderator? If so, I've read most of your expose and have seen some of your old posts on the ning. Did you believe what you were posting at the time?

I'm under the impression you still believe in Planet X and support the earthchanges.ning. Am I right?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Yep thats me, and yes I was believing the NL-stuff at that time. (Ill probably soon write something on these matters as there is a lot of interest. (Also when the "turning point" occured etc.)

As for Planet X, I've become skeptic. As I detailed in my document, theoretically there might be something (Im not necessarily familiar with the matter to say either way with certainity)..however it is nowhere how Nancy wants to let us believe, thats for sure.

As for the earthchanges.ning I need to distance myself, since only relevant in this matter was the fact that it is a Ning with many former PS-Ning Moderators.
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 19958795


I think everybody would like to hear you explain how you could have ever believed the obvious horseshit Nancy spewed.
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As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims,
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Name three.
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More about tunnel vision..

Weren't you the moderator? If so, I've read most of your expose and have seen some of your old posts on the ning. Did you believe what you were posting at the time?

I'm under the impression you still believe in Planet X and support the earthchanges.ning. Am I right?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Not everyone believes in px on the earth changes ning. Some there blame the sun for the warming of the earth and other planets, some think it is the region of space we have entered.
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I've got an idea..

Why don't you all make calls to your local authorities and news agencies, detailing the harm that you feel Nancy and that ning are causing and get her exposed in the news or something rather than crying about it on the internet. Going by what I'm reading her this is serious stuff.

Now wouldn't that be something!!!
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


She has every right to crow on her soap box, even if hopelessly wrong.

Just as debunkers here have every right to point out her continuous mis-steps. All they can hope to do is educate people into not falling for her crap.
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Crow?
lolsign
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More about tunnel vision..

Weren't you the moderator? If so, I've read most of your expose and have seen some of your old posts on the ning. Did you believe what you were posting at the time?

I'm under the impression you still believe in Planet X and support the earthchanges.ning. Am I right?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Not everyone believes in px on the earth changes ning. Some there blame the sun for the warming of the earth and other planets, some think it is the region of space we have entered.
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Fair enough, I'm being schooled here in not assuming things. My assumption was based on the title when u enter the site, some thing like "survive PX" or similar to that effect.
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This just popped into my mind now when thinking about their title "Current news & discussion of Earth Changes & Planet X, and how to survive"

Why not rip them a new one also, seems like they are spreading the same info and awareness as the poleshift.ning just with out the Zetatalk and strict membership criteria??
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zright

soonclif
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So, what are you going to say in January when it fails to happen?

I know what I'm going to say:

sinking
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siren2 NEW UPDATE FROM CLIF!!! siren2

I have to report - with a heavy heart - that Clif and I are at odds. For I posted a prediction earlier in this thread, that NOTHING out of the ordinary would occur at this summer's olympic games. But Clif, has now gone on record that he thinks something WILL happen at the closing ceremonies of the games.

So who will be "RIGHT Again!" ... ME or CLIF????

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So who will be "RIGHT Again!" ... ME or CLIF????

paranoid
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Since Cliff is ALWAYS wrong, you are in Luck.

That one time.
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Clif is just guessing. So are you, Melfy.

One of you will be right, but that won't make either of you some magical prognosticator with mystical insight.
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Clif is just guessing. So are you, Melfy.

One of you will be right, but that won't make either of you some magical prognosticator with mystical insight.
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Maxie is a jackass troll. He used to troll with Nancy Lieder's stuff. Now he trolls with Cliff's stuff. Period.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


I think everybody would like to hear you explain how you could have ever believed the obvious horseshit Nancy spewed.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims,
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Name three.
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Looks like I hit a nerve there, or what? yeahsure

Nancy's construct is certainly not an "obvious horseshit" otherwise it wouldn't be so sucessful as it is.

In fact Nancy utilizes a vulnerability that everyone shares (including yourself), which is the desire to seek for answers that mostly remain unanswered nowadays..

In that she made rather good job for those who feel comfortable with her seemingly detailed theories on matters, however there surely are absurd claims aswell.

I'd be more careful with conclusions and instead of playing the "I knew it all along" role, embracing your ego, I'd leave the kindergarten behind and move to a reasonable view on matters (the same counts for the claims about "ZetaMax").

btw: Name three authentic information?

1. Earth is a schoolhouse
2. Half-truths gain the most traction
3. "Denial is used extensively in human society, more than the average human would expect. "


Chill bro... leave the emotions at home.
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Hmmm, you no longer believe any of NL-stuff? Even the earlier stuff?

That is quite the life-style change you've undergone. From full on believer to full on skeptic. I'm sure that the poleshift ning was a time consuming job. A full on 180.

Have you met NL in person many times or at all?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_



Nope, thats not what I said and actually you seem to be jumping on conclusions (for a second time now).

If you want to use that analogy a 90°-turn would fit better.
This was a lesson for me to be more careful with assumptions.

And Nope, I've not meet Nancy in person, however I had several skype-conversations with her including webcam-sessions.

As for "no longer beliving any of the NL-stuff" you seem to be either demanding 100% or 0%, but reality is more complicate than that.

As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims, so saying not believing any of it would simply be ignoring facts. Now what is fact and what is not remains up to you.
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 19958795


Well thanks for taking the time to reply mate, much appreciated. You can surely understand my curiosity.

Would you mind explaining to me where you stand now in regards to the pole shift theory? knowing what you do from both belief systems i find this intriguing. As most participating in this thread are of the opinion that there is no pole shift in the near future and no Planet X.

To be a moderator, you must have believed that Nancy is a contactee, have you changed in that belief? (my assumption). I have to admit what a frustrating place that ning is but it does seem to be somewhat consistent in terms of posting relevant information relating to what is happening on earth at the moment, while we all have to use our own free will to discern what is truth the Zeta's have at the very least provided much food for thought.

What, in your opinion is the motive behind what you consider to be lies and manipulation on the part of those at the ning?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


I totally understand your curiosity and your position... nothing wrong with asking mate ;)

Would you mind explaining to me where you stand now in regards to the pole shift theory?

I did not discarded the pole-shift theory as yet, since there seem to be many hints in that direction independently from Nancy.. (the same counts for Nibiru, aka. "planet X" - Nancy's preferred term)

To be a moderator, you must have believed that Nancy is a contactee, have you changed in that belief?

What, in your opinion is the motive behind what you consider to be lies and manipulation on the part of those at the ning?

Yes I believed that Nancy is a contactee and I did changed my belief in this regard.. Currently I have the feeling that I can read Nancy like a book and I can relate all she said to her motives which are attention and the feeling of control in mind.

In my opinion Nancy is a very smart person who came across the "new-age-stuff" early and realized the potential to twist the truth there.
It might be that she is convinced of PX herself and just wants to be in the center of attention once it would come up or lead in a similar direction.

There are opinions that Nancy is "fullfilling her role" by doing her brainwashing as a lesson to become more independent...
I personally do not share this opinion though and see it as a plain attempt to manipulate people for a personal agenda she aims.

Nancy does not need to work anymore, enjoys a relatively broad attention and is ascribed to be "in contact with STO-entities" by many people.
"Not bad", if you're one of the selfish ones.... although rather poor once you've become familiar with her means of manipulation.

Hope that answers your questions..
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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I was getting ready to ask the same thing. Did someone get banned and have their posts deleted? (That's what happened the last time the page count dropped dramatically).
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Maxie is a jackass troll. He used to troll with Nancy Lieder's stuff. Now he trolls with Cliff's stuff. Period.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


I think everybody would like to hear you explain how you could have ever believed the obvious horseshit Nancy spewed.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims,
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 19958795



Name three.
 Quoting: Menow 19826816


Looks like I hit a nerve there, or what? yeahsure

Nancy's construct is certainly not an "obvious horseshit" otherwise it wouldn't be so sucessful as it is.

In fact Nancy utilizes a vulnerability that everyone shares (including yourself), which is the desire to seek for answers that mostly remain unanswered nowadays..

In that she made rather good job for those who feel comfortable with her seemingly detailed theories on matters, however there surely are absurd claims aswell.

I'd be more careful with conclusions and instead of playing the "I knew it all along" role, embracing your ego, I'd leave the kindergarten behind and move to a reasonable view on matters (the same counts for the claims about "ZetaMax").

btw: Name three authentic information?

1. Earth is a schoolhouse
2. Half-truths gain the most traction
3. "Denial is used extensively in human society, more than the average human would expect. "


Chill bro... leave the emotions at home.
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highfive_
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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It was up to 1080, then 16 pages of material were removed. No idea which.
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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It was up to 1080, then 16 pages of material were removed. No idea which.
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I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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Glad i wasn't imagining! Thanks!!

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