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I have to admit that the latest zeta talk Q and A has failed to impress. In fact I'm terribly disappointed. A video of the occultation of Jupiter being passed off by Nancy as a "hoax"... Even I could read the Youtube comments and do a quick google search to find out what was going on.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

All the occultations and eclipses happening on schedule like clockwork is all the evidence one needs to determine that Earth hasn't halted in its orbit.
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

omg.
I just went to look for her claims,
she's saying its a laser-pointer aimed at the moon (through a glass):
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 20117666


I just made a new thread of this:
Thread: Another fail of the Zetas: "The Moon did not cover Jupiter last Sunday."


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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the MASSIVE increase in earthquakes, the increasingly erratic weather, the increase in fireballs, the increase in albinism amongst animals (see white buffalo prophecy, the increase in mutated frogs, the increase in volcanism, the increase in sink holes, the sinking of India.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


All straight out the ZT playbook with no corroborating evidence.

How "massive" is the supposed increase in earthquakes SPECIFICALLY?

What is the increase in fireballs SPECIFICALLY? I.E. a baseline of previous activity, a source for measurement of increased activity (something besides people talking about it on GLP a couple of years ago.)

What is the increase in sink holes SPECIFICALLY? I.E. a baseline of previous activity, a source for measurement of increased activity?

What is your source for the "sinking of India"? Something or someone besides Nancy, of course.
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Prove it. Show five posts, anywhere, where you give as much crap to the believers as you do to the debunkers.
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+1000!
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Prove it. Show five posts, anywhere, where you give as much crap to the believers as you do to the debunkers.
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+1000!
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


There is a BIG difference between taking a fundamentalist, unbending position, and having a "preference" for one side over another in a contentious dialogue. Essentially, while not "agreeing" with the "believers" (as debunkers like to label them), I do SYMPATHIZE with them. Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole. And yes - I did say RELIGIOUS. The debunker religion is predominantly MATERIALISTIC, and ethically - "SOCIAL DARWINISTIC". Debunkers deny almost everything that smacks of "spirit" - whether it be human or even animal. I'm always amazed at how rabidly a "debunker type" will attack "the hundredth monkey" phenomena or the notion of "pet telepathy" (where dogs have been demonstated to have an "uncanny" knack for predicting the the return of their owners) just as violently as they'll attack the notion of human psychic phenomena.

They are JUST if not moreso FUNDAMENTALIST in their stance as the most staunch christian imaginable.

Whereas ZetaTalk "believers" are much more open to all kinds of ideas - TOO open arguably. That often makes them gullible, but MOST do not stay in that condition long. With the rare exception of someone like FreeStore, almost all move on and others come in to take their place.

I've seen NO debunkers to date soften their stance whatsoever. Yet in many ways, they are just as tragically silly - if not MORE SO, then the most pathetic of the "believers" that ever darken ZetaTalk's door.

Furthermore, I for the most part *LIKE* the "believers", and DISLIKE the debunkers - mainly because of their insufferable arrogance and tactics.

Menow is a distinct exception - he clearly accepts the reality of the spiritual realm, but apparently (if he's being sincere) is of the opinion that it's so DANGEROUS and hazardous, that it needs to be avoided at all costs - or at least left alone unless one is some kind of accomplished initiate - which means TRAINED and knowledgable of it's nature and pitfalls, which the "ZetaTalk believers" of course "lack". With such an outlook, he would look upon me as a kind of reckless irresponsible adolescent who is just as dangerous to human mental health, as a drunk teenager is to physical health - both his own and others. Though I don't think he'd mind so much if **I** fell victim to the worst of it's hazards. "I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy" is something I don't expect to hear from Menow if the subject were "moi". Ces la vie.

Not everyone who considers themselves "spiritual" is "nice" - lest there wouldn't be "satanism", would there?

And NO, I am not implying that Menow has ANYTHING to do with such leanings whatsoever - in fact he may be more horrified of it than all of us put together.

Just keep in mind that "frightened" cats are more likely to BITE and scratch than "purr". And that "protective" aggression can manifest as behavior aimed at warning others off, as much as it would be to protect himself. That can explain his dour bedside manor as well.

I don't think Menow is a "bad" person, but he sure is a HUMORLESS one. No arguing that.

I do admit, to find it very amusing and entertaining when some debunkers attack Menow for his outlook. That just re-inforces my points above.
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I have to admit that the latest zeta talk Q and A has failed to impress. In fact I'm terribly disappointed. A video of the occultation of Jupiter being passed off by Nancy as a "hoax"... Even I could read the Youtube comments and do a quick google search to find out what was going on.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

All the occultations and eclipses happening on schedule like clockwork is all the evidence one needs to determine that Earth hasn't halted in its orbit.
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

omg.
I just went to look for her claims,
she's saying its a laser-pointer aimed at the moon (through a glass):
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 20117666


I just made a new thread of this:
Thread: Another fail of the Zetas: "The Moon did not cover Jupiter last Sunday."


.
 Quoting: Hydra


siren2 siren2 MEGA WARNING!!! siren2 siren2

On September 22, 2012 will happen cataclysm of incredible power in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Peru in the area of the Brazilian magnetic anomaly. It will lead to severe contamination of the planet by radiation in the result of nuclear power plants destruction. The direction and blow and affected area are shown on this website (www.ourtransition.info). Extraterrestrials call humanity before this date to the Transition into the next cycle of life through the united consciousness of civilization. Extraterrestrials changed the way information transmission into emergency mode.

Russian Scientists WARN of pending POLE SHIFT!!!

omg

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Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Open minds? What open minds? They refuse to entertain the idea that Nancy is wrong...period. Look at Astrogal50's posts as an example. You really love to spin.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Prove it. Show five posts, anywhere, where you give as much crap to the believers as you do to the debunkers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


+1000!
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


There is a BIG difference between taking a fundamentalist, unbending position, and having a "preference" for one side over another in a contentious dialogue. Essentially, while not "agreeing" with the "believers" (as debunkers like to label them), I do SYMPATHIZE with them. Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole. And yes - I did say RELIGIOUS. The debunker religion is predominantly MATERIALISTIC, and ethically - "SOCIAL DARWINISTIC". Debunkers deny almost everything that smacks of "spirit" - whether it be human or even animal. I'm always amazed at how rabidly a "debunker type" will attack "the hundredth monkey" phenomena or the notion of "pet telepathy" (where dogs have been demonstated to have an "uncanny" knack for predicting the the return of their owners) just as violently as they'll attack the notion of human psychic phenomena.

They are JUST if not moreso FUNDAMENTALIST in their stance as the most staunch christian imaginable.

Whereas ZetaTalk "believers" are much more open to all kinds of ideas - TOO open arguably. That often makes them gullible, but MOST do not stay in that condition long. With the rare exception of someone like FreeStore, almost all move on and others come in to take their place.

I've seen NO debunkers to date soften their stance whatsoever. Yet in many ways, they are just as tragically silly - if not MORE SO, then the most pathetic of the "believers" that ever darken ZetaTalk's door.

Furthermore, I for the most part *LIKE* the "believers", and DISLIKE the debunkers - mainly because of their insufferable arrogance and tactics.

Menow is a distinct exception - he clearly accepts the reality of the spiritual realm, but apparently (if he's being sincere) is of the opinion that it's so DANGEROUS and hazardous, that it needs to be avoided at all costs - or at least left alone unless one is some kind of accomplished initiate - which means TRAINED and knowledgable of it's nature and pitfalls, which the "ZetaTalk believers" of course "lack". With such an outlook, he would look upon me as a kind of reckless irresponsible adolescent who is just as dangerous to human mental health, as a drunk teenager is to physical health - both his own and others. Though I don't think he'd mind so much if **I** fell victim to the worst of it's hazards. "I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy" is something I don't expect to hear from Menow if the subject were "moi". Ces la vie.

Not everyone who considers themselves "spiritual" is "nice" - lest there wouldn't be "satanism", would there?

And NO, I am not implying that Menow has ANYTHING to do with such leanings whatsoever - in fact he may be more horrified of it than all of us put together.

Just keep in mind that "frightened" cats are more likely to BITE and scratch than "purr". And that "protective" aggression can manifest as behavior aimed at warning others off, as much as it would be to protect himself. That can explain his dour bedside manor as well.

I don't think Menow is a "bad" person, but he sure is a HUMORLESS one. No arguing that.

I do admit, to find it very amusing and entertaining when some debunkers attack Menow for his outlook. That just re-inforces my points above.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Your honor, I believe this successfully demonstrates the untruthfulness of ZT's self-styled 'Fence Sitter' claim.

Thank you.
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Prove it. Show five posts, anywhere, where you give as much crap to the believers as you do to the debunkers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


+1000!
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


There is a BIG difference between taking a fundamentalist, unbending position, and having a "preference" for one side over another in a contentious dialogue. Essentially, while not "agreeing" with the "believers" (as debunkers like to label them), I do SYMPATHIZE with them. Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole. And yes - I did say RELIGIOUS. The debunker religion is predominantly MATERIALISTIC, and ethically - "SOCIAL DARWINISTIC". Debunkers deny almost everything that smacks of "spirit" - whether it be human or even animal. I'm always amazed at how rabidly a "debunker type" will attack "the hundredth monkey" phenomena or the notion of "pet telepathy" (where dogs have been demonstated to have an "uncanny" knack for predicting the the return of their owners) just as violently as they'll attack the notion of human psychic phenomena.

They are JUST if not moreso FUNDAMENTALIST in their stance as the most staunch christian imaginable.

Whereas ZetaTalk "believers" are much more open to all kinds of ideas - TOO open arguably. That often makes them gullible, but MOST do not stay in that condition long. With the rare exception of someone like FreeStore, almost all move on and others come in to take their place.

I've seen NO debunkers to date soften their stance whatsoever. Yet in many ways, they are just as tragically silly - if not MORE SO, then the most pathetic of the "believers" that ever darken ZetaTalk's door.

Furthermore, I for the most part *LIKE* the "believers", and DISLIKE the debunkers - mainly because of their insufferable arrogance and tactics.

Menow is a distinct exception - he clearly accepts the reality of the spiritual realm, but apparently (if he's being sincere) is of the opinion that it's so DANGEROUS and hazardous, that it needs to be avoided at all costs - or at least left alone unless one is some kind of accomplished initiate - which means TRAINED and knowledgable of it's nature and pitfalls, which the "ZetaTalk believers" of course "lack". With such an outlook, he would look upon me as a kind of reckless irresponsible adolescent who is just as dangerous to human mental health, as a drunk teenager is to physical health - both his own and others. Though I don't think he'd mind so much if **I** fell victim to the worst of it's hazards. "I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy" is something I don't expect to hear from Menow if the subject were "moi". Ces la vie.

Not everyone who considers themselves "spiritual" is "nice" - lest there wouldn't be "satanism", would there?

And NO, I am not implying that Menow has ANYTHING to do with such leanings whatsoever - in fact he may be more horrified of it than all of us put together.

Just keep in mind that "frightened" cats are more likely to BITE and scratch than "purr". And that "protective" aggression can manifest as behavior aimed at warning others off, as much as it would be to protect himself. That can explain his dour bedside manor as well.

I don't think Menow is a "bad" person, but he sure is a HUMORLESS one. No arguing that.

I do admit, to find it very amusing and entertaining when some debunkers attack Menow for his outlook. That just re-inforces my points above.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Your honor, I believe this successfully demonstrates the untruthfulness of ZT's self-styled 'Fence Sitter' claim.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


>> the untruthfulness of ZT's self-styled 'Fence Sitter' claim

Is that "self-styled" lying???

I didn't know you were a "prosecutor".
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Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole.
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Open minds? What open minds? They refuse to entertain the idea that Nancy is wrong...period. Look at Astrogal50's posts as an example. You really love to spin.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.
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Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole.
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Open minds? What open minds? They refuse to entertain the idea that Nancy is wrong...period. Look at Astrogal50's posts as an example. You really love to spin.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


You're a moron of the first order.

Clif is now up to FOUR FAILS from the original five you posted a while back.

June 7/8/9 - Economic and political scandal surfaces in USA. - FAIL!
June 27/28/29 - 'Unexpected' military events put pressure on populace (usa) that will bring [preppers] into [positions of responsibility] that will persist for months if not years. - FAIL!
July 4 - 10 (+/- 3 days) 'Unexpected' occurances at [sea], [under lands], and in [atmosphere] will [rapidly escalate] over (mere hours) global concerns (about FUkushima catastrophe). - FAIL!
July 17/18/19 - (+/- 3 days) - a [hiatus (breathing space] in the [ongoing military and economic warfare against the oppressors of humans] is indicated to [occur] briefly as some [space based intrusions] capture attention. - FAIL!
August 12 - planned [radiation event] for the [gulf of persia, and the indian/southern oceans].


So what now?

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Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Open minds? What open minds? They refuse to entertain the idea that Nancy is wrong...period. Look at Astrogal50's posts as an example. You really love to spin.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


bsflag

As usual, everything you post is either lies or bare-faced trolling.
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Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole.
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Open minds? What open minds? They refuse to entertain the idea that Nancy is wrong...period. Look at Astrogal50's posts as an example. You really love to spin.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


rofl

Are you saying that they prefer for Nancy LIEder shove it down their throats?
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Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Open minds? What open minds? They refuse to entertain the idea that Nancy is wrong...period. Look at Astrogal50's posts as an example. You really love to spin.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**



`No - they refuse to have the truth shown to them by the 100% accurate debunkers.'


I fixed that for you melfy,dont bother to thank me...

`Given time, most will discern the truth, and unceremoniously be banned by nancy when they speak up.'


I fixed that for you melfy as well,dont bother to thank me for that either...

truth coach???

in your dreams...

you wouldn't know the truth if you were bashed over the head with it...

(what's that- the debunkers have done that on many many occasions...)


why doesn't that surprise me???
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Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Open minds? What open minds? They refuse to entertain the idea that Nancy is wrong...period. Look at Astrogal50's posts as an example. You really love to spin.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


You're a moron of the first order.

Clif is now up to FOUR FAILS from the original five you posted a while back.

June 7/8/9 - Economic and political scandal surfaces in USA. - FAIL!
June 27/28/29 - 'Unexpected' military events put pressure on populace (usa) that will bring [preppers] into [positions of responsibility] that will persist for months if not years. - FAIL!
July 4 - 10 (+/- 3 days) 'Unexpected' occurances at [sea], [under lands], and in [atmosphere] will [rapidly escalate] over (mere hours) global concerns (about FUkushima catastrophe). - FAIL!
July 17/18/19 - (+/- 3 days) - a [hiatus (breathing space] in the [ongoing military and economic warfare against the oppressors of humans] is indicated to [occur] briefly as some [space based intrusions] capture attention. - FAIL!
August 12 - planned [radiation event] for the [gulf of persia, and the indian/southern oceans].


So what now?
 Quoting: bob_909


Well then, it may indeed be a good thing that "events" have forced my hand, and compel me (literally) to move on from Mr. Hye and his now BANNED material. (Thanks Trinity).

>> So what now?

Back to my "roots" - which is a coming POLE SHIFT.

My roots are not "Nancy" - but Dr. Greer, for he was the one who started me down this road. (Though I had a copy of White's book in my library, but hadn't read it.)

Cliff's last posting was a "revelation" for me, and not for the reasons Trinity banned him. He was attacking John Moore and his material regarding disclosures to dependant military personnel. Now it may be that Moore is full of shit about THAT detail, otherwise his material is pretty straight forward. I like what his friend "Lucas" says about the whole topic - "trust the ANCIENTS" and ignore everything else. The ancients clearly are WARNING us. It wouldn't - in the end - surprise me if it turned out Cliff was also running a black ops sponsored psyop. I'm not saying he is, just that it wouldn't "surprise" me.

Not too much surprises me anymore.
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Their minds are much more OPEN than the "religious debunkers" on the whole.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Open minds? What open minds? They refuse to entertain the idea that Nancy is wrong...period. Look at Astrogal50's posts as an example. You really love to spin.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


rofl

Are you saying that they prefer for Nancy LIEder shove it down their throats?
 Quoting: Wonkish


They tolerate it for the same reason I forgave it for so long (and in a much less capacity - STILL DO). The behavior of the DEBUNKERS. A 2x4 cracked over the head hurts and is avoided regardless of whether it's painted white, or black. If you use truth as a STICK rather than a CARROT, you should'nt be surprised when the bunny runs away from you. Most of her "authoritarianism" is excused as necessary to protect her material and discourse from the debunkers and thier TACTICS.

"Truth" seems to be a victim of "collateral damage" and friendly fire.

And I for one, think that's INTENTIONAL - on the part of BOTH camps.
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They tolerate it for the same reason I forgave it for so long (and in a much less capacity - STILL DO). The behavior of the DEBUNKERS. A 2x4 cracked over the head hurts and is avoided regardless of whether it's painted white, or black. If you use truth as a STICK rather than a CARROT, you should'nt be surprised when the bunny runs away from you. Most of her "authoritarianism" is excused as necessary to protect her material and discourse from the debunkers and thier TACTICS.

"Truth" seems to be a victim of "collateral damage" and friendly fire.

And I for one, think that's INTENTIONAL - on the part of BOTH camps.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


`Fence sitter'????


Yeah sure....

And HOW is `truth' a victim of "collateral damage" and friendly fire?????


Its what the debunkers use to show up her lies and often deliberate misleading statements....

The ONLY ones abusing it are nancy LIEder and the bunkers....


(abusing it- they are giving it the full gitzmo waterboarding treatment then burying it deep in an unmarked grave LOL)


Anyone with half a working braincell who has watched her and her supporters behaviour can see what I (and others) are saying is indeed the truth...


(Which explains your inability to see it- you have shown by your behaviour that you don't even have that much thinking capacity)
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This thread should be renamed:

Melfy Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A Nibtards paradise!!

During the last month the "Debunker Talk" degenerated to "Melfy Talk".

Excellent work of Nancy and her buddies:
Give the debunkers someone they can bash on - and the rest of the gang can do business as usual.



When did you last debunk something (Melfy-bashing excluded), opened a thread about e.g. Nancy-BS or just posted on a BS-thread?

There is enough crap to debunk at the Poleshit or GLP - but Melfy-bashing is so easy (and may be fun).


I plead to rename the thread title.



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Last Edited by Hydra on 07/22/2012 09:14 AM
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
This thread should be renamed:

Melfy Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A Nibtards paradise!!

During the last month the "Debunker Talk" degenerated to "Melfy Talk".

Excellent work of Nancy and her buddies:
Give the debunkers someone they can bash on - and the rest of the gang can do business as usual.



When did you last debunk something (Melfy-bashing excluded), opened a thread about e.g. Nancy-BS or just posted on a BS-thread?

There is enough crap to debunk at the Poleshit or GLP - but Melfy-bashing is so easy (and may be fun).


I plead to rename the thread title.



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Actually you only have to go back a page or so to find that...

Personally- I offered TLR a paid upgrade a little while ago so that he could ban melfy, he declined however, willing to let him continue posting as to not be like nancy and ban dissenting voices

Personally I would have banned him long ago if it was in my power to so so, alto I can see the point of not stooping to nancy's level of simply banning dissenting voices

So he is allowed the privilege of being allowed to continue to post on the debunkers thread, however I do not see the point of allowing him to post his nonsense without it being shown that dissenting views are also present (and imho- the more people that post against him, shows that his views are in the minority)

melfy has always been a prolific troll poster, he has been so for far longer than a month, he has been a thread swamper for as long as I have been following this thread- which was from the first page after TLR set it up, back when the good Dr `O to Q' was still protecting it from nancy when she was still a mod here
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They tolerate it for the same reason I forgave it for so long (and in a much less capacity - STILL DO). The behavior of the DEBUNKERS. A 2x4 cracked over the head hurts and is avoided regardless of whether it's painted white, or black. If you use truth as a STICK rather than a CARROT, you should'nt be surprised when the bunny runs away from you. Most of her "authoritarianism" is excused as necessary to protect her material and discourse from the debunkers and thier TACTICS.

"Truth" seems to be a victim of "collateral damage" and friendly fire.

And I for one, think that's INTENTIONAL - on the part of BOTH camps.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


`Fence sitter'????


Yeah sure....

And HOW is `truth' a victim of "collateral damage" and friendly fire?????


Its what the debunkers use to show up her lies and often deliberate misleading statements....

The ONLY ones abusing it are nancy LIEder and the bunkers....


(abusing it- they are giving it the full gitzmo waterboarding treatment then burying it deep in an unmarked grave LOL)


Anyone with half a working braincell who has watched her and her supporters behaviour can see what I (and others) are saying is indeed the truth...


(Which explains your inability to see it- you have shown by your behaviour that you don't even have that much thinking capacity)
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Some "believers" are enigma even to "myself":

[link to vimeo.com]
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This thread should be renamed:

Melfy Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A Nibtards paradise!!

During the last month the "Debunker Talk" degenerated to "Melfy Talk".

Excellent work of Nancy and her buddies:
Give the debunkers someone they can bash on - and the rest of the gang can do business as usual.



When did you last debunk something (Melfy-bashing excluded), opened a thread about e.g. Nancy-BS or just posted on a BS-thread?

There is enough crap to debunk at the Poleshit or GLP - but Melfy-bashing is so easy (and may be fun).


I plead to rename the thread title.



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That's why I ignore the melfytroll. As long as people acknowledge his presence by taking his bait he will make this thread about him. He must be a sad and lonely person if he is that desperate for attention. We ignored Nancy's threads and she went away. I bet if weeks went by and nobody replied to the troll, he would dust off one of his old socks and go troll someone else's thread.
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As I said Nancy implanted a lot of authentic informations into her claims, so saying not believing any of it would simply be ignoring facts. Now what is fact and what is not remains up to you.
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Would you like to give us say 10 correct "facts" ?
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It has been recorded in folk lore for Millennia. Hopi Indian prophecy of the red kachina, Jewish exodus, oahspe book, Many psychics and visionaries have predicted a pole shift, most notably Edgar Cayce.. Funny that the Jewish exodus lines up with the Santorini eruption which wiped out the Minoan civilization, around 1600 BC...

To each their own mate!! Maybe you could spread some love, not hate!
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


A little common sense for you. (I wrote this for someone just like you in 2010)


You cover the simplest of observations with a cloud of "what if" to cover plain logic and common sense, eg. how did a bunch of Sumerians survive the last two so called shifts to calculate an orbital period?


According to Nancy the Earth stops first then turns 90 degrees in one hour, the Earth currently spins at 1,100mph, one quarter of a turn requires 6 hours, ergo one quarter turn in one hour = a speed of 6,600mph.

Part A - where we stop the Earth rotation.
Now 70 percent of the Earth's surface is water, if you stop the Earth's crust from rotating the water will attempt to keep going, not sure? pour a glass of water over a basketball. Easy to see.

So all that water will roll over everything, Mt. Everest included, all this at faster than the speed of sound.

Part B - where we flip the Earth 90 degrees.
Now all that previous water is beginning to settle back into the basins from where it came, now you tilt the Earth 90 degrees at 6,600,mph, for a very brief time the water will try to stay in place due to inertia however once it's moving the water is now doing 9 times the speed of sound.

That amount of water at that speed will scour the Earth's surface right down to bedrock. Ever used a high pressure water cleaner? Or a fire hose? you're talking about something 10,000 times more powerful.

Now throw in the mega upheavals claimed to the Earth's crust, the massive movements to the Earth's tectonic plates
You now have an Earth's crust that is molten rock, yes the entire planet, the seas turn to super heated steam.

You are dead! Everything is dead! right down to microbes!

Try to use basic logic, not fairy stories.
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the MASSIVE increase in earthquakes,

(untrue)

the increase in fireballs,

(untrue)

the increase in albinism amongst animals (see white buffalo prophecy,

(untrue)

the increase in mutated frogs,

(pollution)

the increase in volcanism,

(untrue)


the sinking of India.

(untrue)

but at the moment I'm basing my beliefs on personally observed changes that have occurred through out my life time,

(your observations are in error)
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_
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I'm positively LAUGHING!!! laugh
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Well that's good, we have been laughing for near on 14 years !
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How the hell does Gerard support this still? Unless this is some psyop bullshit "stumble". I mean any body with at least one quarter of a brain could have researched that video and come to the only logical conclusion.. (Jupiter), especially considering it was in the damn comments ..

I mean LASER BEAM??

norespect
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In my estimation Gerard has been promised "the farm" when the Zetas pick Nancy up (ie. when Nancy kicks the bucket) ergo it is in his interest to keep "believing" :)
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Or Gerard is as insane as Nancy. It is hard to tell what is going on in this lunatic people.
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No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

No, some of them simply refuse to accept it...regardless of any evidence proving that Nancy is wrong.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Yes, for some...but others will continue to cling to it. Look at Nancy - regardless of how many times she's been wrong, she refuses to admit she's wrong...and when she does admit she's wrong on something - she blames someone else like Obama.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Obviously, but several of us are curious about your specific mindset. We are just incredulous that anyone who has any modicum of intelligence could be taken in by Nancy's story.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Um okay.. this gonna be a long reply..

Im basically a regular intelligent, curious human. Specifically I initially was interested in anti-gravity tech. or the free-energy stuff... Invariably came across the alien-presence, UFOs, CCs, prophets, conspiracies and finally the 2012 Hype. Curious as we are, I went into the jungle to search for the truth, if any.
What is left, is what most of these alternative-news contain: bits of truth in a jungle of BS (HS).

Then some day I came across ZT (Dont remember how exactly). A rubbish html website with some crazy stuff written in it.
An old woman claims to be in contact with some aliens and they seem to be giving her a lot of information, several thousand sites in fact.
Whats written in it?
Seemingly unrelated and disorganized at first a structure became obvious over time and claims began to support each other, seemingly explaining a lot of questions:

What are the aliens doing here?
Why do the UFOs appear as they do, and why is the government having a certain stance to it?
Why are aliens portrayed in the media in a certain way, and what is the general mindest about extra-terrestrial life?

Then these more "spiritual" questions:

Is there something as an "awakening" going on, as seemingly hinted by many individual sources?
What could our spiritual-situation may be? And is there a something as a soul?

Finally,

Are there earth-changes going on? The weather seems getting unpredictable?
Are earthquakes on the increase or volcanoes waking up? Could this be related?

And Nancy of course provided answers to all these questions that many of us asked themselves when they came across the conspiracy theories.

Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

Yes it seems like a obvious-horseshit from this perspective, however this goes deeper. People ignore these matters if they percept enough correlation elsewhere (her alleged ZT accuracy which is no accuracy at all) and feel enough comfortable with the overall theories.)

(BTW: did you read the "when prophecy fails" entry on wikipedia? Thats basically what is occuring with her believers. )

What is left now?

Some concepts still relate to reality with me or are considered likely possible, such as "telepathy", that souls exist, the alien-presence, which in my opinion is undeniable nowadays with regular sightings around the world (Yes I think there are genuine sightings with some advanced technology, beside myself having an obvious sighting at local place with a couple of friends which was a personal confirmation for us,
that some awakening process seems going on globally, which seems to be related to people getting increasingly aware, intelligent, and striving for a better future,

that cropcircles are an interesting phenomena with seemingly unexplained effects. (Like bent grain, or magnetic particles found in the soil, "apical-node-elongation", although these claims would need to be analysed more closely, [link to www.bltresearch.com] , at best from more sources, anyone?).

that humans could have had contact with extra-terrestrials in the past,

that "earth changes" are seemingly on the increase and common scientific theories seem to falter. (Or does anyone found a explain-it-all as yet? "Global Warming"?

that a lot of charlatans are out there who noticed the potiential of placing baits into these areas to prey on new victims,
and its easy to fall for it even if you are an overall intelligent person.

No, they didn't. They required that you steadfastly ignore all rational input from other sources and listen ONLY to Nancy. It's cult-stuff, for sure.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Rational thinking is just a way of coming to our conclusions and I never really lost it. (Even though it was not "critical enough" for sure.)
However Nancy made her "construct" in a way that seems to support rational thinking. Cause and effect.
"The totally dramatizised earth changes are due to PX slowing the earths core, causing friction, heating the plates from below, heating the ocean, heating the air, blah blah..."

"The UFO's appear in a certain way to not interfere with the free-will and some other rules, and they are related to an awakening process, gradually increasing to prevent too much influence to the inhabitants of the planets."

For every question there is an answer, so Nancy presents seemingly rational explanations because she knows it is that what the human mind is asking for.

Some big quake over Plate A?
Nancy: Plate B crumbles into Plate A, because PX pushes the earths northpole, causing the famous "earth wobble" smashing the plates against each other.


A cropcircle showing a swirl?
Nancy: Depicting PX clockwise rotation in relation to Earths rotation as she stated before..


And so on...and so on..

A pile of lies, supporting one another. (Though not truely)

Nancy seemed to be familar with local plate-tectonics, astronomic questions, psychological questions, sociological questions.
Could an old woman answer so many questions? For such a long while?

The perfect wolf in sheep's clothing.


So you ignored all of the factual info offered and focused on the moments when people got frustrated and got a bit reactionary? Didn't you see where Nancy repeatedly got nasty herself?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Not really.. at least I dont have anything directly popping up into my mind regarding factual info that I was aware at that time.

Can you name some highlights? Im sure they'll be worthy to bring up again.

I was aware of Zetasquawk at that time, though they were often defamatory (like many others who ride on the puppy-thing) which Nancy uses to claim they're pushing a bad image of herself..
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 20081569


The "puppy thing" was an unfortunate issue for people to focus on. Yes, she DID suggest that people should kill their pets, but it was just unneeded inflamatory rhetoric from people who were too shallow to see through her story on the technical issues basis.

All that is vague stuff. I'm talking about concrete factual date. Nancy's story is completely devoid of hard facts. It's just outright lies, one after the other...
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Um. Thats a little too simplistic in my mind. Afterall Nancy's BS comes from her own.. and she needs think about the questions presented to her.
There are thoughts of herself that are even going into the right direction, since she needs to do her best because she has to avoid too many lies.

Some of the thoughts about an apocalyptic scenario are quite useful. (Although I guess it was more of an achievment from the TT guys and overall people.)

However saying "one lie after another" is a little unrealistic, its more a set of lies based on bits of truth.
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No. All of her astronomical claims were outright fabrications. OBVIOUS ones! NO "bits of truth" there at all. Only those who knew absolutely NOTHING about astronomy and steadfastly refuses to consult a real astronomer (because they are all in on the coverup) would believe them.

The bits of truth form the bait.
Lies are applied over the bait, expanding the (w)hole while supporting each other.

Keep piling and you have your "horseshit"
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 20081569


Yes, but each original bit was pure horseshit. It was just that each time Nancy would make a claim, it would be disproven by "debunkers", but all Nancy's believers were brainwashed in to discounting anything which ran counter to what Nancy said. Then, Nancy would declare each subsequent tidbit of hers to have been "proven" and built on that. It was actually quite ingenious, IMO.

You lost me, except where there is clearly an emotional aspect of how people got sucked into Nancy's story. That is certainly true.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


;)
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"A pile of lies, supporting one another..." Absolutely agreed. Thanks for taking time to respond. I guess it's clear that you, too, just didn't read the countering information which constantly proved Nancy wrong. In the end, I think it was the belief in a grand conspiracy which was the prime factor in keeping people sucked in to Nancy's story. Agreed?
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Is this Planet X? Lurking Near Venus in our View?
[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Is she just extremely cautious or is she going to become rattled?

All her highlights were debunked:

Dark Twin Neumayer 3 in April
Solar eclipse in May
Venus transit in June
PX with moons in CFH-Telescope video
Dark Twin Neumayer 3 just now


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 Quoting: Hydra


btw: Im watching "Osage Pete" for a while now,
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
Could be a fake-support.

And "xtcpctech",
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 20081569


Yeah, there HAVE to be people there who are just playing Nancy.
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I have to admit that the latest zeta talk Q and A has failed to impress. In fact I'm terribly disappointed. A video of the occultation of Jupiter being passed off by Nancy as a "hoax"... Even I could read the Youtube comments and do a quick google search to find out what was going on.

bsflag

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


omg.
I just went to look for her claims,
she's saying its a laser-pointer aimed at the moon (through a glass):

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
"...
This is not evident from the video, but this is the case, with a light laser pointed at the where the tip of the Moon crescent would appear. The distance between the cam and the Moon, and the cam and the window, differ. Thus in a zoom, there is an adjustment to one, but not the other. This is a fraud. "


Geez..she must be having a hard one these days... so many mistakes, this one even per the Zetas. (I instantly made a copy of it of course... we need to be savy).

Thanks for the notice Billy! Good one to work on..cool2
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"When some objects move, and others remain solid, this indicates they have a different source."

This is bizarre, even for Nancy. It's really easy to see that both objects ARE equally affected by the camera's motions.

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