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_Billy Madison_

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Well apparently the warming is due to the "roiling" of the core.. (what ever that means).
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

So you have no idea, not a clue, nothing, nada.
I guess it would have something to do with magnetic influences, because I sure as hell don't think there are any cars emitting greenhouse gasses on Pluto that would be warming her up?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

You "guess"? So you still have no clue.
Does pluto even have an atmosphere, to be honest I don't know.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

IDK is becoming a theme with you.

These Tool lyrics are so fitting!! Especially that last line, I'll embolden it.

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_
Yeah, song lyrics are so convincing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20639859


If you think I'm claiming lyrics as evidence then you may be even thicker than me. (no offense), I'm not claiming that i know any thing, just call it a hunch maybe? Those lyrics just seem fitting to the topic, plus who doesn't enjoy a good dose of doom to bring us down to earth.

While i don't have PROOF, i do have EVIDENCE to the reality of planet x, mainly the increasingly erratic weather, tectonic instability, sink holes, loud underground booms, all the photo and video captures, not to mention the fact that google sky etc remove coordinates from their maps.

I think of a pole shift as being like a tornado or a volcano erupting, just a natural part of our planets cycles.

What worries me most though, is all the insanity and madness that will ensue, due to peoples inability to cope with the earth changes. I'm sure we'll see the collapse of the global economy and much more violence and intolerance etc before any thing drastic happens. But think of what a blessing it would be.. No more 9-5, it's the common man who will survive, and the Elite will be back on equal footing with us. I don't know why any one wouldn't want a pole shift.

I hope I'm right, but if not we'll just fuck the planet and die any way. The way we live in unsustainable, we need a massive cull off of people (unfortunately) and a massive increase in tolerance, acceptance and love.

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While i don't have PROOF, i do have EVIDENCE to the reality of planet x, mainly the increasingly erratic weather, tectonic instability, sink holes, loud underground booms, all the photo and video captures, not to mention the fact that google sky etc remove coordinates from their maps.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

By what method have you determined that these are evidence for your Magical Mystery Planet and not anything else?

we need a massive cull off of people (unfortunately) and a massive increase in tolerance, acceptance and love.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

You are fucking insane.
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It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
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If people kill them selves over doomsday scenarios, they must have an extremely weak character, no disrespect to those who have taken their own lives.

"the average surface temperature of the nitrogen ice on Pluto has increased slightly less than 2 degrees Celsius over the past 14 years.”

Since Pluto is moving further away from the Sun and continuing to warm despite that fact, it indicates that something doesn’t fit into “Solar Constant” dismissal theories." - From MIT on Pluto.

I'm not saying Planet X IS real, but I am certainly open to the idea as I am of the belief that truth is stranger than fiction.

I see what your saying about the sensitivity of measuring instruments, that's a valid point that has been raised to me before, But living in New Zealand, we have experienced around 8000 earthquakes in the south island this year alone. It is this type of personal experience which raises concern. Are quakes not still measured by the Richter scale?

The main area of concern in terms of EQ's is the around the pacific ring of fire which has been seeing a lot of activity as of late, that's why i think japan is probably going to be struck again.

Hypothetically, if there was a pole shift/crustal displacement would any of u regret your skeptical stance?
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Exactly how do you imagine a distant planet could cause warming or earthquakes even if it did exist? After all, we don't see those increases on Earth when Jupiter is closer in orbit, do we?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Well apparently the warming is due to the "roiling" of the core.. (what ever that means). I guess it would have something to do with magnetic influences, because I sure as hell don't think there are any cars emitting greenhouse gasses on Pluto that would be warming her up? Does pluto even have an atmosphere, to be honest I don't know. These Tool lyrics are so fitting!! Especially that last line, I'll embolden it.

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


You mean you just accept anything Nancy Lieder says about that as if it had an actual scientific basis?
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While i don't have PROOF, i do have EVIDENCE to the reality of planet x, mainly the increasingly erratic weather, tectonic instability, sink holes, loud underground booms, all the photo and video captures, not to mention the fact that google sky etc remove coordinates from their maps.


 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


In other words, you have bought, hook-line-and-sinker, a bunch of spun, cherry-picked and misrepresented data as "explained" by one Nancy Lieder.

I guess you must also believe that Earth is halted in orbit since 2003, right?
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If people kill them selves over doomsday scenarios, they must have an extremely weak character, no disrespect to those who have taken their own lives"
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


in the spirit of your last few posts, and your view on humanity in general..



have you ever noticed that people just before they say something REALLY offensive- always say-


`no disrespect'


then go on to say something REALLY disrespectful???


well `billy madison (a REALLY apt user name- a drunken sot who sees imaginary penguins...)


no disrespect....

but to quote you...

Does pluto even have an atmosphere, to be honest I don't know. These Tool lyrics are so fitting!!



'Cause I'm praying for mayhem;
I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom, please, flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.




"Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits."

Much love guys, much love. May the force be with you!!yoda
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


there's no love, a lot of `toolism' and quite frankly
(or to put it another way- NO OFFENCE')

YOU are the kind of people that inspire us to try and save even one of you from people like nancy...


because

`NO OFFENCE'

you should really be in medical care...
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While i don't have PROOF, i do have EVIDENCE to the reality of planet x, mainly the increasingly erratic weather, tectonic instability, sink holes, loud underground booms, all the photo and video captures, not to mention the fact that google sky etc remove coordinates from their maps.

I think of a pole shift as being like a tornado or a volcano erupting, just a natural part of our planets cycles.

What worries me most though, is all the insanity and madness that will ensue, due to peoples inability to cope with the earth changes. I'm sure we'll see the collapse of the global economy and much more violence and intolerance etc before any thing drastic happens. But think of what a blessing it would be.. No more 9-5, it's the common man who will survive, and the Elite will be back on equal footing with us. I don't know why any one wouldn't want a pole shift.

I hope I'm right, but if not we'll just fuck the planet and die any way. The way we live in unsustainable, we need a massive cull off of people (unfortunately) and a massive increase in tolerance, acceptance and love.

5a
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_




You are fucking insane.
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you should really be in medical care...
 Quoting: aussie 763624 20641613


nuff said...
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While i don't have PROOF, i do have EVIDENCE to the reality of planet x, mainly the increasingly erratic weather, tectonic instability, sink holes, loud underground booms, all the photo and video captures, not to mention the fact that google sky etc remove coordinates from their maps.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

sighs

standard `bunker' fodder- care to actually show this `evidence' that this is unusual???

apart from `nancy says' and your own desire for mass deaths and destruction???


`THIS' is why many here actively pursue her (and her ilk)

Mentally challenged people like yourself (no disrespect to people who talk to imaginary penguins)


Believe anything they read on the net and get all excited when they think that the lack of personal motivation they lack (boring to learn stuff at school, boring to go to work to get money to live-


suck it up bitch (not to be disrespectful or anything to people with no motivation or to female canines....)





Well they actually believe that a planet/brown dwarf is in the inner solar system and has been for the last 9 years with no apparent effects apart from being visible on phone cameras (only when held behind cut up floppy discs), but are causing massive death and destruction- apart from that its not apparently actually distinguishable from the usual mayhem that happens every day...


and fall for `crapknowbabble' (copyright to me)- if trekkies can have techknowbabble' as a word- then debunkers should be allowed crapknowbabble as a `cromulant' word for the shitte people like nancy sprout and the shitte that people like billy madison professes to believe...


Your own posts are enough to make most sane people want to have people like you admitted involuntarily...


You seem to be just one small step from going postal in a public area- and most people see that as a bad thing....
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I'm sure we'll see the collapse of the global economy and much more violence and intolerance etc before any thing drastic happens. But think of what a blessing it would be.. No more 9-5, it's the common man who will survive, and the Elite will be back on equal footing with us. I don't know why any one wouldn't want a pole shift.

I hope I'm right, but if not we'll just fuck the planet and die any way. The way we live in unsustainable, we need a massive cull off of people (unfortunately) and a massive increase in tolerance, acceptance and love.

5a
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_




But think of what a blessing it would be.. No more 9-5, it's the common man who will survive, and the Elite will be back on equal footing with us. I don't know why any one wouldn't want a pole shift.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_



just to let the guy who used a guy who gets pissed all the time, and sees imaginary penguins as his user name....

say using his own words

But think of what a blessing it would be.. No more 9-5, it's the common man who will survive, and the Elite will be back on equal footing with us. I don't know why any one wouldn't want a pole shift.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_



from someone who is `bored' with schooling and working...


(why he thinks that he is either (a) the common man or (b) anyone except nancy and her retarded doomtards (copyright me lol) would actually WANT a poleshift????

I mean- what STS (as nancy likes to call debunkers) would actively fight her on this??

STO- paranoid people that have already caused deaths and property destruction- even tho they have absolutely no actual evidence of planet x even existing

STS- the ones that actually want real physical evidence- say of the physical existence of a massive gravity inducing body in the solar system.. causing measurable effects in hundreds of years old, known to work, things like orbits of planets (calculated to within seconds after several human lifetimes)..

that surprisingly happen time after time....


bit like that `aussie debunker' in sydney that had her abuse him as a nasa shill- and told the web that the `evil nasa' had `modified' his equipement so the 2004 venus transit didn't happen right????

that was me...

and I was there after a former friend lost his job, his wife, his kids after listening to her `advice' back in 2003

No one even knows if he is even alive anymore- most people if they even think of him at all, would think he is now dead- probably is...

thanks to nancy....


`not to offend anyone' or anything

but I find you rather offensive..

but then I find most wilfully ignorant people offensive...
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[quote:aussie 763624

I mean- what STS (as nancy likes to call debunkers) would actively fight her on this??

STO- paranoid people that have already caused deaths and property destruction- even tho they have absolutely no actual evidence of planet x even existing

STS- the ones that actually want real physical evidence- say of the physical existence of a massive gravity inducing body in the solar system.. causing measurable effects in hundreds of years old, known to work, things like orbits of planets (calculated to within seconds after several human lifetimes)..

sadly I made a mistake- After reading the latest nancy babble I suspect that she was not the only confused one mixing STO and STS `souls' and their behaviour and posts...


quote:aussie 763624
I mean- what STS (as nancy likes to call debunkers) would actively fight her on this??


As homer says... `DOH.'

STS- paranoid people that have already caused deaths and property destruction- even tho they have absolutely no actual evidence of planet x even existing

STO- the ones that actually want real physical evidence- say of the physical existence of a massive gravity inducing body in the solar system.. causing measurable effects in hundreds of years old, known to work, things like orbits of planets (calculated to within seconds after several human lifetimes)..

the descriptions should have been enough to clarify the positions- regardless of my spelling/ swapping mistakes as to the sto/sts ...)
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Actually now I have to stop and think back- nancy was `the evil sts' were denying the indonesian sinking.

and I went from there- but hang on.. arent the evil sts actually denying its happened (in 2010/happening) and its the sto's who say it is??





oh confuzzling zetas- please implant someone who isnt a furkin merkin moran to be your spokesman...



(not that all americans are morons, just that country does seem to have a larger than normal proportion of them...)

sadly oz and nz seem to be catching up quickly (does the extravagance of `family first' a fundy christian church that's getting a major youth vote have anything to do with it?)


sadly 2 of the 4 teenagers I know are now suspicious of the moon landings.. even though all of them use data confirmed by them to get their mtv fix...


uggghh


if anyone deserves to go postal- its the debunkers- dealing with such stupidity as


`dur there was an earthquake' its plunnat hex ya'll'

day after day- year after year- troll after troll

It's actually hard to dumb yourself down that much that you can reply to their crap intelligently time after time- after the 500th time of `utz thir you dumb rse dbunker' and using basic maths and 300 year old knowledge to show it isn't...

you get tired of replying anything more than- `and dumbarse says `what'

just to watch the zetatards say `what'


LOL
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ill give you all the usgs graph for earthquake increase between 6-8 magnitude if u tell me how 2 embed pictures.

its very intriguing.

aren't mars, Pluto etc all warming up?? also hear about the unprecedented ice melt in Greenland?

Lets frickin hope for PX right guys?? Too many people on the planet if u ask me. Plus working and studying is not fun!!

Lol a website like zeta squawk kind of makes Zeta Talk seem legit, or at least a threat because who would be bothered to maintain a web page dedicated to discrediting a 70 yr old woman
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

You'll notice that I don't post things on a regular basis. Just when I feel like it.
 Quoting: bob_909


I just want to re-iterate, that I have predicted that NOTHING out of the ordinary will happen at this years Olympics.

I'm just reminding everyone ...
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ill give you all the usgs graph for earthquake increase between 6-8 magnitude if u tell me how 2 embed pictures.

its very intriguing.

aren't mars, Pluto etc all warming up?? also hear about the unprecedented ice melt in Greenland?

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

It's not at all unprecidented. A similar ice melt in Greenland occurs every 150 years. This is is right on time.
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People like Hilly Madison always see purple pinguins and other crazy things. So they think this is important for the world and they follow crazy cult leaders like fairy-tale-Nancy.

Cults and sects are not new and they were always spreading nonsene. Zetatalk and Gerard Zwaan and Nancy are just a new example in this long history of madness and lunativ tendencies. Poor people believing in such a shit.

They can wait another 100 years and nothing will happen. The poleshift only happens in their heads and in some years they will come and say: "Hey it happened, but nobodoy noticed it."

Always the same pattern and the same path cult victims are walking.
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People like Hilly Madison always see purple pinguins and other crazy things. So they think this is important for the world and they follow crazy cult leaders like fairy-tale-Nancy.

Cults and sects are not new and they were always spreading nonsene. Zetatalk and Gerard Zwaan and Nancy are just a new example in this long history of madness and lunativ tendencies. Poor people believing in such a shit.

They can wait another 100 years and nothing will happen. The poleshift only happens in their heads and in some years they will come and say: "Hey it happened, but nobodoy noticed it."

Always the same pattern and the same path cult victims are walking.
 Quoting: Braddy 20723773


PMSL- you mustnt have seen the movie that `billy madison' took his name from...

google quotes from various Billy Madison reviews

`As one character tells Billy in the finale: "Everyone in this room is dumber for having listened to you."
January 1, 2000 Full Review Source: Washington Post | Comment'


`One of the earliest Adam Sandler comedy vehicles is the highly over rated Billy Madison. To put it simple, it's a childish comedy with the occasional morsel of charm and a few good laughs. It's at best, mildly amusing because the film gets sillier at every turn rather than getting any funnier'


`Childish and immature - but then again, what Sandler comedy isn't? As long as you can cope with its stupidity, it's pretty fun and enjoyable.



pretty much sums up Billy Madison- both the movie and the poster....
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Nancy mistakes the Goodyear Blimp for a UFO over the 2012 Summer Olympics

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

What a maroon!

[link to www.examiner.com]
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Nancy mistakes the Goodyear Blimp for a UFO over the 2012 Summer Olympics

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

What a maroon!

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: bob_909


SOZT
As has happened in the past, a UFO display showed up at an event where many private video cameras were recording the event. This was the case during the 1991 Eclipse in Mexico. Undeniable because it had been recorded by the public, on so many private cams, that the display could not be dismissed as a case of doctoring the film. The 2012 Olympics opening was another such event, recorded LIVE and delivered to audiences around the world. By the time the authorities realized what was happening, it was too late. YouTube videos of the event have already gone viral, and official news channels had no choice but to admit it, and even discuss it – Skynews leading the way.
EOZT




best to copy what she actually wrote at this time

not that we think she would go back and edit a zetatalk or anything...

;-)
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Comment by steve havas 3 hours ago

That last video shows it zoomed and enhanced by a youtube user.


look its almost a full hand there now....

they must be making money again from the retards- sorry believers...

2012- a scammers wetdream
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Nancy mistakes the Goodyear Blimp for a UFO over the 2012 Summer Olympics

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

What a maroon!

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: bob_909


SOZT
As has happened in the past, a UFO display showed up at an event where many private video cameras were recording the event. This was the case during the 1991 Eclipse in Mexico. Undeniable because it had been recorded by the public, on so many private cams, that the display could not be dismissed as a case of doctoring the film. The 2012 Olympics opening was another such event, recorded LIVE and delivered to audiences around the world. By the time the authorities realized what was happening, it was too late. YouTube videos of the event have already gone viral, and official news channels had no choice but to admit it, and even discuss it – Skynews leading the way.
EOZT


It's the Goodyear blimp. NBC has contracted the services of the blimp based in the UK.





best to copy what she actually wrote at this time

not that we think she would go back and edit a zetatalk or anything...

;-)
 Quoting: aussie 763624 20641613


Of course, I always try to capture nancy's comments when she makes a major blunder. I've got the page as a PDF.

Last Edited by bob_909 on 07/28/2012 03:51 PM
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Nancy mistakes the Goodyear Blimp for a UFO over the 2012 Summer Olympics

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

What a maroon!

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: bob_909


SOZT
As has happened in the past, a UFO display showed up at an event where many private video cameras were recording the event. This was the case during the 1991 Eclipse in Mexico. Undeniable because it had been recorded by the public, on so many private cams, that the display could not be dismissed as a case of doctoring the film. The 2012 Olympics opening was another such event, recorded LIVE and delivered to audiences around the world. By the time the authorities realized what was happening, it was too late. YouTube videos of the event have already gone viral, and official news channels had no choice but to admit it, and even discuss it – Skynews leading the way.
EOZT


It's the Goodyear blimp. NBC has contracted the services of the blimp based in the UK.

Of course, I always try to capture nancy's comments when she makes a major blunder. I've got the page as a PDF.



best to copy what she actually wrote at this time

not that we think she would go back and edit a zetatalk or anything...

;-)
 Quoting: aussie 763624 20641613

 Quoting: bob_909


whoops...

;-)
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Comment by steve havas 3 hours ago

That last video shows it zoomed and enhanced by a youtube user.


look its almost a full hand there now....

they must be making money again from the retards- sorry believers...

2012- a scammers wetdream
 Quoting: aussie 763624 20641613


>> 2012 - a scammers wetdream

No one has gotten rich off of me!
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Comment by steve havas 3 hours ago

That last video shows it zoomed and enhanced by a youtube user.


look its almost a full hand there now....

they must be making money again from the retards- sorry believers...

2012- a scammers wetdream
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>> 2012 - a scammers wetdream

No one has gotten rich off of me!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


...but someone has gotten a free steak dinner for two at Ruth Chris off of you!
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Comment by steve havas 3 hours ago

That last video shows it zoomed and enhanced by a youtube user.


look its almost a full hand there now....

they must be making money again from the retards- sorry believers...

2012- a scammers wetdream
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>> 2012 - a scammers wetdream

No one has gotten rich off of me!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


That's because no one is gullible enough to believe your crap; amazing actually considering just how gullible most people are.

Work on your charisma and maybe you too can create your own cult of fail.
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Obviously, but several of us are curious about your specific mindset. We are just incredulous that anyone who has any modicum of intelligence could be taken in by Nancy's story.
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Um okay.. this gonna be a long reply..

Im basically a regular intelligent, curious human. Specifically I initially was interested in anti-gravity tech. or the free-energy stuff... Invariably came across the alien-presence, UFOs, CCs, prophets, conspiracies and finally the 2012 Hype. Curious as we are, I went into the jungle to search for the truth, if any.
What is left, is what most of these alternative-news contain: bits of truth in a jungle of BS (HS).

Then some day I came across ZT (Dont remember how exactly). A rubbish html website with some crazy stuff written in it.
An old woman claims to be in contact with some aliens and they seem to be giving her a lot of information, several thousand sites in fact.
Whats written in it?
Seemingly unrelated and disorganized at first a structure became obvious over time and claims began to support each other, seemingly explaining a lot of questions:

What are the aliens doing here?
Why do the UFOs appear as they do, and why is the government having a certain stance to it?
Why are aliens portrayed in the media in a certain way, and what is the general mindest about extra-terrestrial life?

Then these more "spiritual" questions:

Is there something as an "awakening" going on, as seemingly hinted by many individual sources?
What could our spiritual-situation may be? And is there a something as a soul?

Finally,

Are there earth-changes going on? The weather seems getting unpredictable?
Are earthquakes on the increase or volcanoes waking up? Could this be related?

And Nancy of course provided answers to all these questions that many of us asked themselves when they came across the conspiracy theories.

Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

Yes it seems like a obvious-horseshit from this perspective, however this goes deeper. People ignore these matters if they percept enough correlation elsewhere (her alleged ZT accuracy which is no accuracy at all) and feel enough comfortable with the overall theories.)

(BTW: did you read the "when prophecy fails" entry on wikipedia? Thats basically what is occuring with her believers. )

What is left now?

Some concepts still relate to reality with me or are considered likely possible, such as "telepathy", that souls exist, the alien-presence, which in my opinion is undeniable nowadays with regular sightings around the world (Yes I think there are genuine sightings with some advanced technology, beside myself having an obvious sighting at local place with a couple of friends which was a personal confirmation for us,
that some awakening process seems going on globally, which seems to be related to people getting increasingly aware, intelligent, and striving for a better future,

that cropcircles are an interesting phenomena with seemingly unexplained effects. (Like bent grain, or magnetic particles found in the soil, "apical-node-elongation", although these claims would need to be analysed more closely, [link to www.bltresearch.com] , at best from more sources, anyone?).

that humans could have had contact with extra-terrestrials in the past,

that "earth changes" are seemingly on the increase and common scientific theories seem to falter. (Or does anyone found a explain-it-all as yet? "Global Warming"?

that a lot of charlatans are out there who noticed the potiential of placing baits into these areas to prey on new victims,
and its easy to fall for it even if you are an overall intelligent person.

No, they didn't. They required that you steadfastly ignore all rational input from other sources and listen ONLY to Nancy. It's cult-stuff, for sure.
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Rational thinking is just a way of coming to our conclusions and I never really lost it. (Even though it was not "critical enough" for sure.)
However Nancy made her "construct" in a way that seems to support rational thinking. Cause and effect.
"The totally dramatizised earth changes are due to PX slowing the earths core, causing friction, heating the plates from below, heating the ocean, heating the air, blah blah..."

"The UFO's appear in a certain way to not interfere with the free-will and some other rules, and they are related to an awakening process, gradually increasing to prevent too much influence to the inhabitants of the planets."

For every question there is an answer, so Nancy presents seemingly rational explanations because she knows it is that what the human mind is asking for.

Some big quake over Plate A?
Nancy: Plate B crumbles into Plate A, because PX pushes the earths northpole, causing the famous "earth wobble" smashing the plates against each other.


A cropcircle showing a swirl?
Nancy: Depicting PX clockwise rotation in relation to Earths rotation as she stated before..


And so on...and so on..

A pile of lies, supporting one another. (Though not truely)

Nancy seemed to be familar with local plate-tectonics, astronomic questions, psychological questions, sociological questions.
Could an old woman answer so many questions? For such a long while?

The perfect wolf in sheep's clothing.


So you ignored all of the factual info offered and focused on the moments when people got frustrated and got a bit reactionary? Didn't you see where Nancy repeatedly got nasty herself?
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Not really.. at least I dont have anything directly popping up into my mind regarding factual info that I was aware at that time.

Can you name some highlights? Im sure they'll be worthy to bring up again.

I was aware of Zetasquawk at that time, though they were often defamatory (like many others who ride on the puppy-thing) which Nancy uses to claim they're pushing a bad image of herself..
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The "puppy thing" was an unfortunate issue for people to focus on. Yes, she DID suggest that people should kill their pets, but it was just unneeded inflamatory rhetoric from people who were too shallow to see through her story on the technical issues basis.

All that is vague stuff. I'm talking about concrete factual date. Nancy's story is completely devoid of hard facts. It's just outright lies, one after the other...
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Um. Thats a little too simplistic in my mind. Afterall Nancy's BS comes from her own.. and she needs think about the questions presented to her.
There are thoughts of herself that are even going into the right direction, since she needs to do her best because she has to avoid too many lies.

Some of the thoughts about an apocalyptic scenario are quite useful. (Although I guess it was more of an achievment from the TT guys and overall people.)

However saying "one lie after another" is a little unrealistic, its more a set of lies based on bits of truth.
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No. All of her astronomical claims were outright fabrications. OBVIOUS ones! NO "bits of truth" there at all. Only those who knew absolutely NOTHING about astronomy and steadfastly refuses to consult a real astronomer (because they are all in on the coverup) would believe them.

The bits of truth form the bait.
Lies are applied over the bait, expanding the (w)hole while supporting each other.

Keep piling and you have your "horseshit"
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Yes, but each original bit was pure horseshit. It was just that each time Nancy would make a claim, it would be disproven by "debunkers", but all Nancy's believers were brainwashed in to discounting anything which ran counter to what Nancy said. Then, Nancy would declare each subsequent tidbit of hers to have been "proven" and built on that. It was actually quite ingenious, IMO.

You lost me, except where there is clearly an emotional aspect of how people got sucked into Nancy's story. That is certainly true.
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;)
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"A pile of lies, supporting one another..." Absolutely agreed. Thanks for taking time to respond. I guess it's clear that you, too, just didn't read the countering information which constantly proved Nancy wrong. In the end, I think it was the belief in a grand conspiracy which was the prime factor in keeping people sucked in to Nancy's story. Agreed?
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Um. Im amazed at the conclusions being drawn here....(and the Kindergarten that lately seems to be taking over again in my mind.)

You like matters simple, don't you? (Im drawing this conclusion because you seem to be demanding absolute answeres, i.e. you want me to agree to YOUR spin on things.)

As I said before, I did read "countering information", however it was full of ego and badmouthing which overall killed the credibility for myself, also partly because I felt more comfortable with the "grand conspiracy" as you prefer to call it which actually is a general trend/hype that we're experiencing atm.

And I still say that there is a basis in Nancy's claims that correlate with reality:
I.E:
The alien presence is real,
the "STO/undecided/STS" concepts apply more or less,
there are a lot of hints about "global catastrophes" from a lot of sources (which doesn't mean that they needs to be right or have any solid basis),
such as stuff is happening that seem to be lacking answers like the rapidly changing weather or melting ice caps (or do you/or anyone have an explanation for it since Global Warming seems to fail with its predictions?).


Don't expect me to agree about,

"It was just that each time Nancy would make a claim, it would be disproven by "debunkers", but all Nancy's believers were brainwashed in to discounting anything which ran counter to what Nancy said. "

because from my experience this is simply not true.

I'd still like to actually see some "constant countering information" BEING POINTED OUT other than rough approximations (like pointing to this thread) or ZetaSquawk which were mentioned already, because I still think this can be useful as a lot of other people are reading these threads.

BTW: I didn't wrote "my story" exclusively for you, but I adressed it because an occasion was presented, just as a sidenote in case this wasn't clear from the start.


BTW #2: The way that "Billy Madison" is treated is the same way that Nancy or the "believers" are being treated over here (or am I wrong?).

You don't seem to be "debunking" him to actually help him, instead it seems you guys just want to be the "right ones"...(if this is the case, you are the actual losers in my mind... just as another sidenote).


If you're wondering if I ate a beehive per breakfast or you're pissed of why Im telling my opinion, don't mind as I dont care about that since Im only interested that everyone of us prospers. Debunkers and Believers.

I dont see any reason (in matters of productivity) to throw insults or other nonsense other than embracing your own ego's which you're doing again in my mind.

Do we really need stereotype-thinking?
I doubt.

Im not expecting perfection or any change at all, however I think its honorable to reconsider ourselves sometimes...

Just some thought. Cya on occasion..
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I'd still like to actually see some "constant countering information" BEING POINTED OUT other than rough approximations (like pointing to this thread)
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The earth's not stopped in orbit--proven and pointed out again and again and again here.

The earth's axis is not wobbling--proven and pointed out again and again and again.

Indonesia: not underwater.

Pole shift 2003--didn't happen.

2012 too far in the future for the pole shift---wrong again.



And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Nancy mistakes the Goodyear Blimp for a UFO over the 2012 Summer Olympics

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

What a maroon!

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There's really only one thing to say:

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What a maroon!

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Nailed it: Thread: No Nibiru, No Planet X, No Second Sun, No Poleshift - The Zeta / Nancy Lieder Fail Collection


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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What a maroon!

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This latest gaffe is right up there with her rather embarrassing claims that a photo of a flying kite was, in actuality, "Planet X" and its associated "moon swirls." The "Zetas" told her that's what it was and she ran with it. How humiliating it must have been for her to concede that it was, indeed, nothing more than a kite and tail.
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Um. Im amazed at the conclusions being drawn here....(and the Kindergarten that lately seems to be taking over again in my mind.)

You like matters simple, don't you? (Im drawing this conclusion because you seem to be demanding absolute answeres, i.e. you want me to agree to YOUR spin on things.)


As I said before, I did read "countering information", however it was full of ego and badmouthing which overall killed the credibility for myself, also partly because I felt more comfortable with the "grand conspiracy" as you prefer to call it which actually is a general trend/hype that we're experiencing atm.
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Nancy got you to accept things on HER terms- ie: "Does NASA lie?"- that sort of thing. The "badmouthing" was because what Nancy was saying was so absurd- so easily disproven- so ridiculously wrong... You and Nancy's other followers, on the other hand, had allowed Nancy to drag you "off-center" to where you imagined there was an actual debate going on- as if there was some actual doubt as to whether what Nancy was saying was true. There wasn't- not to anyone who knew the first thing about astronomy.

And I still say that there is a basis in Nancy's claims that correlate with reality:
I.E:
The alien presence is real,
the "STO/undecided/STS" concepts apply more or less,
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"Apply"? How I see them having been "applied" was in sucking in those who would actually see themselves as "better than others". Think about it. "STO" is actually a spiritual trap, IMO.

there are a lot of hints about "global catastrophes" from a lot of sources (which doesn't mean that they needs to be right or have any solid basis),
such as stuff is happening that seem to be lacking answers like the rapidly changing weather or melting ice caps (or do you/or anyone have an explanation for it since Global Warming seems to fail with its predictions?).
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You seem to fail to understand that Nancy DRASTICALLY spun stories about that sort of thing. She actually LED the internet trend about much of this. There are MANY, MANY ideas about PX and related things which absolutely originated with Nancy Lieder, or whatever "Zetas" is. MUCH of what you think were "other sources" of such things were actually echoes of what Nancy had put out. Don't underestimate the 'conspiracy' involved in what Nancy has done.


Don't expect me to agree about,

"It was just that each time Nancy would make a claim, it would be disproven by "debunkers", but all Nancy's believers were brainwashed in to discounting anything which ran counter to what Nancy said. "

because from my experience this is simply not true.
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Heh. I watched it happen for 15 years- over and over and over again. It's absolutely true. If not- why did you believe that PX had been imaged at Nancy's coordinates, entering the Solar system in 2001-2002?

I'd still like to actually see some "constant countering information" BEING POINTED OUT other than rough approximations (like pointing to this thread) or ZetaSquawk which were mentioned already, because I still think this can be useful as a lot of other people are reading these threads.
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A lot of it doesn't even exist any more. The work of "IMOpenminded" and Sarah Macintyre, for example. The Wayback has archives of some of it. This is OOOLLD news!

BTW: I didn't wrote "my story" exclusively for you, but I adressed it because an occasion was presented, just as a sidenote in case this wasn't clear from the start.


BTW #2: The way that "Billy Madison" is treated is the same way that Nancy or the "believers" are being treated over here (or am I wrong?).
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"Treated"? He is repeating inane crapola from Nancy and Zetatalk. It's so wrong it's stupid. The fact that you think it is reasonable and should not be ridiculed speaks volumes. That's exactly what it deserves. It's pure RUBBISH!

You don't seem to be "debunking" him to actually help him, instead it seems you guys just want to be the "right ones"...(if this is the case, you are the actual losers in my mind... just as another sidenote).
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He is repeating OBVIOUS craplola as if it has merit. It's ridiculous nonsense. There is no other way to put it. He believes what NANCY HAS TOLD HIM- nothing more.


If you're wondering if I ate a beehive per breakfast or you're pissed of why Im telling my opinion, don't mind as I dont care about that since Im only interested that everyone of us prospers. Debunkers and Believers.
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That's so "STO" of you. Heh...

I dont see any reason (in matters of productivity) to throw insults or other nonsense other than embracing your own ego's which you're doing again in my mind.
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I think you mistake harsh truth as "insults".

Do we really need stereotype-thinking?
I doubt.
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Just because certain things are obviously true, that doesn't make them "stereotypes".

Im not expecting perfection or any change at all, however I think its honorable to reconsider ourselves sometimes...

Just some thought. Cya on occasion..
yeahsure
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I think you are still unaware of just how far Nancy had dragged you over to "her" way of thinking. Yet, you seem to understand just how false what she said was. It was a streaming pile of lies and not much more.

I should mention that many other 'channelled' sources have spoken about the same type of thing over the last 20 years. (By the way... I don't care about Nancy's denial of this- she is "CHANNELLING",IMO. the reason for all these various sources saying similar things is not understood by me, but there has clearly been an intentional "push" on some of these ideas.


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