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I'd still like to actually see some "constant countering information" BEING POINTED OUT other than rough approximations (like pointing to this thread)
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The earth's not stopped in orbit--proven and pointed out again and again and again here.

The earth's axis is not wobbling--proven and pointed out again and again and again.

Indonesia: not underwater.

Pole shift 2003--didn't happen.

2012 too far in the future for the pole shift---wrong again.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Um.. I know.. actually I wanted to see some links (analysis) etc. for those who still have doubts in case this wasn't obvious.

The tip of the ZT-iceberg is being debunked. Nothing more, nothing less.
Its not though that each claim (all 40.000 sites of useless chatter) were debunked. Not true, but hey you didn't claimed this, did you? :)

Nancy mistakes the Goodyear Blimp for a UFO over the 2012 Summer Olympics

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

What a maroon!

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: bob_909


Nailed it: Thread: No Nibiru, No Planet X, No Second Sun, No Poleshift - The Zeta / Nancy Lieder Fail Collection


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 Quoting: Hydra


Cool.. I'll include that into the doc on occasion if you guys don't mind.


Nancy got you to accept things on HER terms- ie: "Does NASA lie?"- that sort of thing. The "badmouthing" was because what Nancy was saying was so absurd- so easily disproven- so ridiculously wrong... You and Nancy's other followers, on the other hand, had allowed Nancy to drag you "off-center" to where you imagined there was an actual debate going on- as if there was some actual doubt as to whether what Nancy was saying was true. There wasn't- not to anyone who knew the first thing about astronomy.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Um. Question: Do you believe that NASA, or the governments are 100% honest to their citizens?
Do you really believe they'd care about us in a case of a pending disaster that would wipe out their status?

If your answer is yes, than you're way too naive in my mind, but I guess you're answer isn't that.

From this perspective of view, "Does NASA lie" or "Do the governments lie" my answer on both would YES, most likely, though surely not in the dimensions that Nancy wants us to believe because stuff like a "rouge planet in the solar sytem" couldn't be hidden like that, I guess we agree about that now.



"Apply"? How I see them having been "applied" was in sucking in those who would actually see themselves as "better than others". Think about it. "STO" is actually a spiritual trap, IMO.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I guess you're mixing naive people with sophisticated people here.
I'd however like to hear your opinion why you think "STO is actually a spiritual trap" and why you percieve that they think they're better than others?


there are a lot of hints about "global catastrophes" from a lot of sources (which doesn't mean that they needs to be right or have any solid basis),
such as stuff is happening that seem to be lacking answers like the rapidly changing weather or melting ice caps (or do you/or anyone have an explanation for it since Global Warming seems to fail with its predictions?).
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-vision 20777958


You seem to fail to understand that Nancy DRASTICALLY spun stories about that sort of thing. She actually LED the internet trend about much of this. There are MANY, MANY ideas about PX and related things which absolutely originated with Nancy Lieder, or whatever "Zetas" is. MUCH of what you think were "other sources" of such things were actually echoes of what Nancy had put out. Don't underestimate the 'conspiracy' involved in what Nancy has done.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


To quote myself what I wrote before:
Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

As to wether she led the trend I have a different opinion.
ZT is not that popular that "all echoes" can be traced back to Nancy...
It seems even you agree about this since you later stated:

I should mention that many other 'channelled' sources have spoken about the same type of thing over the last 20 years. (By the way... I don't care about Nancy's denial of this- she is "CHANNELLING",IMO. the reason for all these various sources saying similar things is not understood by me, but there has clearly been an intentional "push" on some of these ideas.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Heh. I watched it happen for 15 years- over and over and over again. It's absolutely true. If not- why did you believe that PX had been imaged at Nancy's coordinates, entering the Solar system in 2001-2002?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I can understand your frustration going on for 15 years, however what is beind debunked is the top of the pile.
(A few examples were named as yet.)
As to wether PX had been imaged at Nancy's coordinates I need to attest that I really didn't care much about these when I was a believer.
Im not familiar with astronomy and found "correlation" elsewhere. (Which certainly was naive from myself)

When inuit-people say that the Sun is rising differently than it did for decades, there's a reason for me to believe that they might be onto something.. to name one.

A lot of it doesn't even exist any more. The work of "IMOpenminded" and Sarah Macintyre, for example. The Wayback has archives of some of it. This is OOOLLD news!
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Never heared of these... (I came across ZT roughly two n a half years ago), however I thank you for pointing these out as I will check them on occasion.

"Treated"? He is repeating inane crapola from Nancy and Zetatalk. It's so wrong it's stupid. The fact that you think it is reasonable and should not be ridiculed speaks volumes. That's exactly what it deserves. It's pure RUBBISH!


He is repeating OBVIOUS craplola as if it has merit. It's ridiculous nonsense. There is no other way to put it. He believes what NANCY HAS TOLD HIM- nothing more.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Its one thing to ridicule what someone claims, but another to insult someone personally.
Billy might just has not been there where you or others have been in certain matters, so in my mind its counter-productive to attack someone personally for something that is related to content.

Two pairs of shoes in my opinion. Substance and state.


I dont see any reason (in matters of productivity) to throw insults or other nonsense other than embracing your own ego's which you're doing again in my mind.
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I think you mistake harsh truth as "insults".
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


See above.

Just because certain things are obviously true, that doesn't make them "stereotypes".
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I was on the verge of being called a "its all-good guy" by yourself... so much about stereotypes.


I think you are still unaware of just how far Nancy had dragged you over to "her" way of thinking. Yet, you seem to understand just how false what she said was. It was a streaming pile of lies and not much more.

I should mention that many other 'channelled' sources have spoken about the same type of thing over the last 20 years. (By the way... I don't care about Nancy's denial of this- she is "CHANNELLING",IMO. the reason for all these various sources saying similar things is not understood by me, but there has clearly been an intentional "push" on some of these ideas.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


As to how aware or unaware I am of certain matters I don't need to detail, however I'd like to hear why you think im "still unaware of just how far Nancy had dragged me over to "her" way of thinking"... - can you precise, can you argue with some examples?

Yes it is a streaming (steaming) pile of lies (shit), based on bits of truth in my opinion.

Regarding "Channeling", I have a different opinion:
In my mind Nancy is not a channeler but merely a manipulator. At least I don't understand why simple manipulation should be called "Channeling"...
And why there is a "push" in that direction, I don't know either, but I suspect that there is some truth at base, somewhere.
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Btw, I was close to the stadium and there only was a blimp in the air. There were so many people in that stadium, they for sure wouldn`t have missed an UFO.

It looks like a blimp, behaves like a blimp: it is a blimp.

It`s funny how much ridiculous claims you can read on strange pages. It was the goodyear blimp.
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Comment by steve havas 3 hours ago

That last video shows it zoomed and enhanced by a youtube user.


look its almost a full hand there now....

they must be making money again from the retards- sorry believers...

2012- a scammers wetdream
 Quoting: aussie 763624 20641613


>> 2012 - a scammers wetdream

No one has gotten rich off of me!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


That's because no one is gullible enough to believe your crap; amazing actually considering just how gullible most people are.

Work on your charisma and maybe you too can create your own cult of fail.
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Since I have been forced to abandon Cliff, I now find myself with the unexpected need to "reinvent" myself.

I am open to suggestions.
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Um.. I know.. actually I wanted to see some links (analysis) etc. for those who still have doubts in case this wasn't obvious.

The tip of the ZT-iceberg is being debunked. Nothing more, nothing less.

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You want debunkers to start all over again and debunk each of Nancy's claims AGAIN. Sorry- not gonna happen. It's already been done. Nancy has "dragged you" and others to her side of the argument by pounding on bits like "sun/moon out of place". It's actually a totally absurd claim, but she has a bunch of people thinking it might be true and that there is an actual debate about it. There isn't. If Earth was actually "wobbling" to the extent Nancy claims, there would be few Human survivors remaining on Earth RIGHT NOW. Sheesh!
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This latest gaffe is right up there with her rather embarrassing claims that a photo of a flying kite was, in actuality, "Planet X" and its associated "moon swirls." The "Zetas" told her that's what it was and she ran with it. How humiliating it must have been for her to concede that it was, indeed, nothing more than a kite and tail.
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siren2siren2

So I've been listening to this series: here is the message in a nutshell:

1. Global Cataclysms begin September 22.

2. There will be THREE precursor cataclysms before the BIG one.

3. No one will survive - either in underground bunkers, or submarines, or ANYWHERE.

4. The only hope we have is to unite as a civilization in consciousness.

5. We must enter the "laser of transition" where our individuality and present crystaline body structures will be destroyed - but our consciousness will be "transitioned" to the highest level of the material world. They then show (in another video) where this is symbolized by the reclining man in Mayan culture holding a plate over his chest.

Funny, a show I watched last night said that they used to place the beating heart of freshly killed sacrificial victims on that "plate".

Also, doesn't "transition" with the destruction of our "crystaline body" simply mean DEATH???

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Nancy got you to accept things on HER terms- ie: "Does NASA lie?"- that sort of thing. The "badmouthing" was because what Nancy was saying was so absurd- so easily disproven- so ridiculously wrong... You and Nancy's other followers, on the other hand, had allowed Nancy to drag you "off-center" to where you imagined there was an actual debate going on- as if there was some actual doubt as to whether what Nancy was saying was true. There wasn't- not to anyone who knew the first thing about astronomy.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Um. Question: Do you believe that NASA, or the governments are 100% honest to their citizens?
Do you really believe they'd care about us in a case of a pending disaster that would wipe out their status?
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-vision 20809671


Thin end of the wedge argument. Nothing is 100% in the political realm. You have bought into a science-fiction story. It's beside the point. The \items Nancy has used to "prove" a coverup have been absurdly spun and misrepresented. NANCY is the waaaayyyy more obvious, blatant and shameless liar in this scenario. What don't you GET about that?

If your answer is yes, than you're way too naive in my mind, but I guess you're answer isn't that.

From this perspective of view, "Does NASA lie" or "Do the governments lie" my answer on both would YES, most likely, though surely not in the dimensions that Nancy wants us to believe because stuff like a "rouge planet in the solar sytem" couldn't be hidden like that, I guess we agree about that now.



"Apply"? How I see them having been "applied" was in sucking in those who would actually see themselves as "better than others". Think about it. "STO" is actually a spiritual trap, IMO.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I guess you're mixing naive people with sophisticated people here.
I'd however like to hear your opinion why you think "STO is actually a spiritual trap" and why you percieve that they think they're better than others?
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-vision 20809671


You haven't read all the "attacks" launched by Nancy and her minions at debunkers for simply being allegedly "STS"? The judgement and indictment of others originated from NANCY'S camp!


there are a lot of hints about "global catastrophes" from a lot of sources (which doesn't mean that they needs to be right or have any solid basis),
such as stuff is happening that seem to be lacking answers like the rapidly changing weather or melting ice caps (or do you/or anyone have an explanation for it since Global Warming seems to fail with its predictions?).
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-vision 20777958


You seem to fail to understand that Nancy DRASTICALLY spun stories about that sort of thing. She actually LED the internet trend about much of this. There are MANY, MANY ideas about PX and related things which absolutely originated with Nancy Lieder, or whatever "Zetas" is. MUCH of what you think were "other sources" of such things were actually echoes of what Nancy had put out. Don't underestimate the 'conspiracy' involved in what Nancy has done.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


To quote myself what I wrote before:
Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

As to wether she led the trend I have a different opinion.
ZT is not that popular that "all echoes" can be traced back to Nancy...
It seems even you agree about this since you later stated:

I should mention that many other 'channelled' sources have spoken about the same type of thing over the last 20 years. (By the way... I don't care about Nancy's denial of this- she is "CHANNELLING",IMO. the reason for all these various sources saying similar things is not understood by me, but there has clearly been an intentional "push" on some of these ideas.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Heh. I watched it happen for 15 years- over and over and over again. It's absolutely true. If not- why did you believe that PX had been imaged at Nancy's coordinates, entering the Solar system in 2001-2002?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I can understand your frustration going on for 15 years, however what is beind debunked is the top of the pile.
(A few examples were named as yet.)
As to wether PX had been imaged at Nancy's coordinates I need to attest that I really didn't care much about these when I was a believer.
Im not familiar with astronomy and found "correlation" elsewhere. (Which certainly was naive from myself)
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Yes, you found what you though of as "correlation". This means you saw Nancy's pile of false claims as supported. In fact, Nancy's claims about her object being imaged, incoming, were total fabrications. Period.

When inuit-people say that the Sun is rising differently than it did for decades, there's a reason for me to believe that they might be onto something.. to name one.
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Except that those people were just stupidly wrong. You came to imagine that such things were reasonable to believe were true. They are NOT reasonable. It's utter nonsense.

A lot of it doesn't even exist any more. The work of "IMOpenminded" and Sarah Macintyre, for example. The Wayback has archives of some of it. This is OOOLLD news!
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Never heared of these... (I came across ZT roughly two n a half years ago), however I thank you for pointing these out as I will check them on occasion.
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You are way to new at all this to understand the big picture of Nancy's hoax.

"Treated"? He is repeating inane crapola from Nancy and Zetatalk. It's so wrong it's stupid. The fact that you think it is reasonable and should not be ridiculed speaks volumes. That's exactly what it deserves. It's pure RUBBISH!


He is repeating OBVIOUS craplola as if it has merit. It's ridiculous nonsense. There is no other way to put it. He believes what NANCY HAS TOLD HIM- nothing more.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Its one thing to ridicule what someone claims, but another to insult someone personally.
Billy might just has not been there where you or others have been in certain matters, so in my mind its counter-productive to attack someone personally for something that is related to content.

Two pairs of shoes in my opinion. Substance and state.
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It comes to a point where a person is being obviously WILLFULLY ignorant. Either they are terminally stupid or are trolling. We see it over and over and over again in this whole "Nibiru" area. That's just the way it is.

I dont see any reason (in matters of productivity) to throw insults or other nonsense other than embracing your own ego's which you're doing again in my mind.
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I think you mistake harsh truth as "insults".
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


See above.

Just because certain things are obviously true, that doesn't make them "stereotypes".
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I was on the verge of being called a "its all-good guy" by yourself... so much about stereotypes.
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You are being really tedious. Nancy Lieder has spun a tall tale. Some gullible people have bought into it regardless of LOTS of proof to the contrary. That's the bottom line.

I think you are still unaware of just how far Nancy had dragged you over to "her" way of thinking. Yet, you seem to understand just how false what she said was. It was a streaming pile of lies and not much more.

I should mention that many other 'channelled' sources have spoken about the same type of thing over the last 20 years. (By the way... I don't care about Nancy's denial of this- she is "CHANNELLING",IMO. the reason for all these various sources saying similar things is not understood by me, but there has clearly been an intentional "push" on some of these ideas.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


As to how aware or unaware I am of certain matters I don't need to detail, however I'd like to hear why you think im "still unaware of just how far Nancy had dragged me over to "her" way of thinking"... - can you precise, can you argue with some examples?

Yes it is a streaming (steaming) pile of lies (shit), based on bits of truth in my opinion.

Regarding "Channeling", I have a different opinion:
In my mind Nancy is not a channeler but merely a manipulator. At least I don't understand why simple manipulation should be called "Channeling"...
And why there is a "push" in that direction, I don't know either, but I suspect that there is some truth at base, somewhere.
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There is nothing "simple" about Nancy Lieder and Zetatalk.

I suspect I have screwed up some quoting here. Sorry.
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Btw, I was close to the stadium and there only was a blimp in the air. There were so many people in that stadium, they for sure wouldn`t have missed an UFO.

It looks like a blimp, behaves like a blimp: it is a blimp.

It`s funny how much ridiculous claims you can read on strange pages. It was the goodyear blimp.
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Right, but there will be a group of people who will think you are just part of the coverup. It has been exactly like that from the beginning of this, which was when Nancy Lieder invaded sci.astro and started pushing her claims there. As soon as astronomers there started saying she was wrong, she began spinning that into a "coverup" of her information. That is the core of how Nancy's hoax gained power and momentum, IMO.
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Regarding "Channeling", I have a different opinion:
In my mind Nancy is not a channeler but merely a manipulator. At least I don't understand why simple manipulation should be called "Channeling"...
And why there is a "push" in that direction, I don't know either, but I suspect that there is some truth at base, somewhere.
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The fact that there ismanipulation taking place is beside the point. I think that what Nancy is doing is "channelling" because I am familiar with the phenomenon and I know what it looks like. What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.
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Regarding "Channeling", I have a different opinion:
In my mind Nancy is not a channeler but merely a manipulator. At least I don't understand why simple manipulation should be called "Channeling"...
And why there is a "push" in that direction, I don't know either, but I suspect that there is some truth at base, somewhere.
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The fact that there ismanipulation taking place is beside the point. I think that what Nancy is doing is "channelling" because I am familiar with the phenomenon and I know what it looks like. What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.
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>> What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.

I've actually seen her doing it in PERSON, and yes, it has all the earmarks of "channeling".

What remains to be asked, is "where" are those voices originating? Malevolent (or at the very least "mischevous") spirits? Aliens? (Maybe the Zetas are real, and maybe they really ARE the "voices in her head") or Black Ops doing it through an implant and advanced technology?

Clearly the message is distorted in order to confuse and take our "sniffing dogs" off the scent.

The important question is less about whether or not it's "true" - as a WHOLE, the ZetaTalk saga clearly is not, but that does NOT mean that it is devoid of a DEADLY SERIOUS AGENDA.

And that is where I and the "debunkers" clearly part company.

If ZetaTalk itself is a half-baked, almost "tongue-in-cheek" contrived "project" undertaken as part of a much larger collection of dis-information efforts on the part of TPTB, the question is WHAT are they trying to COVER UP???

That's the question - but clearly TPTB don't aschew indulging in a little "fun" along the way - at "our" expense of course ...

They clearly find our gropings in the dark, to be quite "humorous".

My message to them => "What goes around - comes around."

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Regarding "Channeling", I have a different opinion:
In my mind Nancy is not a channeler but merely a manipulator. At least I don't understand why simple manipulation should be called "Channeling"...
And why there is a "push" in that direction, I don't know either, but I suspect that there is some truth at base, somewhere.
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-vision 20809671


The fact that there ismanipulation taking place is beside the point. I think that what Nancy is doing is "channelling" because I am familiar with the phenomenon and I know what it looks like. What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


>> What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.

I've actually seen her doing it in PERSON, and yes, it has all the earmarks of "channeling".

What remains to be asked, is "where" are those voices originating? Malevolent (or at the very least "mischevous") spirits? Aliens? (Maybe the Zetas are real, and maybe they really ARE the "voices in her head") or Black Ops doing it through an implant and advanced technology?
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I can't answer that.

Clearly the message is distorted in order to confuse and take our "sniffing dogs" off the scent.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


No, that is not "clearly" factual.

The important question is less about whether or not it's "true" - as a WHOLE, the ZetaTalk saga clearly is not, but that does NOT mean that it is devoid of a DEADLY SERIOUS AGENDA.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Huh? Of course it doesn't mean that. You aren't making a lot of sense.

And that is where I and the "debunkers" clearly part company.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


We parted company, years ago, in terms of honesty and forthrightness.

If ZetaTalk itself is a half-baked, almost "tongue-in-cheek" contrived "project" undertaken as part of a much larger collection of dis-information efforts on the part of TPTB, the question is WHAT are they trying to COVER UP???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Why must it be to "cover up" anything?

That's the question - but clearly TPTB don't aschew indulging in a little "fun" along the way - at "our" expense of course ...

They clearly find our gropings in the dark, to be quite "humorous".

My message to them => "What goes around - comes around."
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I think you ascribe too much ultimate power to what YOU see as the "TPTB". For someone who claims to have studied in the spiritual realms, you seem to be lacking much in the way of deeper insights.
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Someone dared to question the "facts" as presented by Nancy:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by Fra. Iens 6 hours ago
Hello all!
I don't want to be a debunker in your eyes. I respect Nancy and Zetas.
But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?
And why there are panoramic videos from the angle of this UFO?
Regards,
Steve.


He was duly chastised for being "mindless":

Comment by Nancy Lieder 6 hours ago
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What! Have you even LOOKED at that blimp video? Panoramic views? SkyNews takes vids from their chopper! Heavens, people you have to start thinking! Kick start that brain of yours and stop posting mindless stuff like this, really!
Blimp



Of course, she didn't answer his pertinent question of "But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?"
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Funny how thousands of people were in attendance, not to mention the media, and not ONE report by ANYONE of a UFO being seen ANYWHERE around the Olympics. It's amazing that out of all the video shot there, Nancy and her merry band of retards are the ONLY ones to have seen a UFO.

And wow - how STO oriented her response is.

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Someone dared to question the "facts" as presented by Nancy:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by Fra. Iens 6 hours ago
Hello all!
I don't want to be a debunker in your eyes. I respect Nancy and Zetas.
But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?
And why there are panoramic videos from the angle of this UFO?
Regards,
Steve.


He was duly chastised for being "mindless":

Comment by Nancy Lieder 6 hours ago
@Fra
What! Have you even LOOKED at that blimp video? Panoramic views? SkyNews takes vids from their chopper! Heavens, people you have to start thinking! Kick start that brain of yours and stop posting mindless stuff like this, really!
Blimp



Of course, she didn't answer his pertinent question of "But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?"
 Quoting: Menow 18943200

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Unfortunately Dumb-Nancy forgot to delete her response to Fra. Iens :-))))

And also she forgot to delete it an Fra. Iens page. :-)))

But Fra. Iens is brought into line in between:

Comment by Fra. Iens
Thank you dears!
I myself was sure from the beginning that this is not a blimp. But I lacked arguments to proove it to myself :D
Thanks again!



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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Someone dared to question the "facts" as presented by Nancy:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by Fra. Iens 6 hours ago
Hello all!
I don't want to be a debunker in your eyes. I respect Nancy and Zetas.
But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?
And why there are panoramic videos from the angle of this UFO?
Regards,
Steve.


He was duly chastised for being "mindless":

Comment by Nancy Lieder 6 hours ago
@Fra
What! Have you even LOOKED at that blimp video? Panoramic views? SkyNews takes vids from their chopper! Heavens, people you have to start thinking! Kick start that brain of yours and stop posting mindless stuff like this, really!
Blimp



Of course, she didn't answer his pertinent question of "But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?"
 Quoting: Menow 18943200

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Unfortunately Dumb-Nancy forgot to delete her response to Fra. Iens :-))))

And also she forgot to delete it an Fra. Iens page. :-)))

But Fra. Iens is brought into line in between:

Comment by Fra. Iens
Thank you dears!
I myself was sure from the beginning that this is not a blimp. But I lacked arguments to proove it to myself :D
Thanks again!



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 Quoting: Hydra


Not deleted(yet). Still there on the previous page:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
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Regarding "Channeling", I have a different opinion:
In my mind Nancy is not a channeler but merely a manipulator. At least I don't understand why simple manipulation should be called "Channeling"...
And why there is a "push" in that direction, I don't know either, but I suspect that there is some truth at base, somewhere.
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The fact that there ismanipulation taking place is beside the point. I think that what Nancy is doing is "channelling" because I am familiar with the phenomenon and I know what it looks like. What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


>> What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.

I've actually seen her doing it in PERSON, and yes, it has all the earmarks of "channeling".

What remains to be asked, is "where" are those voices originating? Malevolent (or at the very least "mischevous") spirits? Aliens? (Maybe the Zetas are real, and maybe they really ARE the "voices in her head") or Black Ops doing it through an implant and advanced technology?
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I can't answer that.

Clearly the message is distorted in order to confuse and take our "sniffing dogs" off the scent.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


No, that is not "clearly" factual.

The important question is less about whether or not it's "true" - as a WHOLE, the ZetaTalk saga clearly is not, but that does NOT mean that it is devoid of a DEADLY SERIOUS AGENDA.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Huh? Of course it doesn't mean that. You aren't making a lot of sense.

And that is where I and the "debunkers" clearly part company.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


We parted company, years ago, in terms of honesty and forthrightness.

If ZetaTalk itself is a half-baked, almost "tongue-in-cheek" contrived "project" undertaken as part of a much larger collection of dis-information efforts on the part of TPTB, the question is WHAT are they trying to COVER UP???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Why must it be to "cover up" anything?

That's the question - but clearly TPTB don't aschew indulging in a little "fun" along the way - at "our" expense of course ...

They clearly find our gropings in the dark, to be quite "humorous".

My message to them => "What goes around - comes around."
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I think you ascribe too much ultimate power to what YOU see as the "TPTB". For someone who claims to have studied in the spiritual realms, you seem to be lacking much in the way of deeper insights.
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Now you're sounding like a Jesuit. Should I call you ... FATHER?
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Luke... I am your FATHER...
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Luke... I am your FATHER...
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For Max, this one is more fitting:
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Comment by steve havas 3 hours ago

That last video shows it zoomed and enhanced by a youtube user.


look its almost a full hand there now....

they must be making money again from the retards- sorry believers...

2012- a scammers wetdream
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>> 2012 - a scammers wetdream

No one has gotten rich off of me!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


That's because no one is gullible enough to believe your crap; amazing actually considering just how gullible most people are.

Work on your charisma and maybe you too can create your own cult of fail.
 Quoting: Wonkish


Since I have been forced to abandon Cliff, I now find myself with the unexpected need to "reinvent" myself.

I am open to suggestions.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


How about as grownup who does not lie, troll, shill or run sock puppets? Oh wait, those are the only tricks you know.

Then how about you reinvent yourself somewhere else?
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Someone dared to question the "facts" as presented by Nancy:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by Fra. Iens 6 hours ago
Hello all!
I don't want to be a debunker in your eyes. I respect Nancy and Zetas.
But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?
And why there are panoramic videos from the angle of this UFO?
Regards,
Steve.


He was duly chastised for being "mindless":

Comment by Nancy Lieder 6 hours ago
@Fra
What! Have you even LOOKED at that blimp video? Panoramic views? SkyNews takes vids from their chopper! Heavens, people you have to start thinking! Kick start that brain of yours and stop posting mindless stuff like this, really!
Blimp



Of course, she didn't answer his pertinent question of "But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?"
 Quoting: Menow 18943200

Comment deleted
Unfortunately Dumb-Nancy forgot to delete her response to Fra. Iens :-))))

And also she forgot to delete it an Fra. Iens page. :-)))

But Fra. Iens is brought into line in between:

Comment by Fra. Iens
Thank you dears!
I myself was sure from the beginning that this is not a blimp. But I lacked arguments to proove it to myself :D
Thanks again!



.
 Quoting: Hydra


Not deleted(yet). Still there on the previous page:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


She inserted it again - I have a copy (all three pages) without that comment.


So this shows, that Nancy-Liar has an eye on this threads.



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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Put a second nail into the Zeta-UFO:

Thread: No Nibiru, No Planet X, No Second Sun, No Poleshift - The Zeta / Nancy Lieder Fail Collection


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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Nancy's reaction over there is painfully funny.

Oh, my.
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It also appears that they have no idea what FOCUS is -- as in, how would the blimp look if the camera's focus is on the fireworks.

The answer explains the 'disc' altogether. Sigh.
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It also appears that they have no idea what FOCUS is -- as in, how would the blimp look if the camera's focus is on the fireworks.

The answer explains the 'disc' altogether. Sigh.
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Also... they seem not to understand that the blimp is not IN the fireworks- hence the difference in focus. Of course, there seems to be very little that ningers understand.
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It also appears that they have no idea what FOCUS is -- as in, how would the blimp look if the camera's focus is on the fireworks.

The answer explains the 'disc' altogether. Sigh.
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Also... they seem not to understand that the blimp is not IN the fireworks- hence the difference in focus. Of course, there seems to be very little that ningers understand.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Comment by astrogal50 3 hours ago

If you do a search for "2012 Olympics UFO" you will see that many people noticed this UFO and are discussing it, even with the excuse that it is a blimp. Certainly appears that more than just some Pole Shift Ning members are open minded and mature enough to see what is right there. (I exclude the paid debunkers; they have financial reasons to pretend this UFO is just the Goodyear blimp.)





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Comment by astrogal50 3 hours ago

If you do a search for "2012 Olympics UFO" you will see that many people noticed this UFO and are discussing it, even with the excuse that it is a blimp. Certainly appears that more than just some Pole Shift Ning members are open minded and mature enough to see what is right there. (I exclude the paid debunkers; they have financial reasons to pretend this UFO is just the Goodyear blimp.)
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I read her nonsense and smile. She's so smug and so sure of everything she believes in. It's so funny watching her continue on regardless of how many times she and Nancy are proven wrong...and regardless of how many years have gone by without any signs of "Planet X." Eventually it's going to sink in that she was stupid and I SO hope I'm around when reality smacks her upside the head.

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Comment by astrogal50 3 hours ago

If you do a search for "2012 Olympics UFO" you will see that many people noticed this UFO and are discussing it, even with the excuse that it is a blimp. Certainly appears that more than just some Pole Shift Ning members are open minded and mature enough to see what is right there. (I exclude the paid debunkers; they have financial reasons to pretend this UFO is just the Goodyear blimp.)
 Quoting: bob_909

I read her nonsense and smile. She's so smug and so sure of everything she believes in. It's so funny watching her continue on regardless of how many times she and Nancy are proven wrong...and regardless of how many years have gone by without any signs of "Planet X." Eventually it's going to sink in that she was stupid and I SO hope I'm around when reality smacks her upside the head.
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Might be a long wait.

However, I must admit: CoS brings hope. The updates to his expose about Zetatalk have been hilarious.
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BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!!
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lol4me ....It is coming to a theatre near you..... and like I said before, "it will be when our resident doomsday clown aka Melfy least expects it"; and definitely at a time when he feels the despair lol4me of being left out....

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I cant actually believe how lame this thread is, a bunch of middle aged men who dedicate a great deal of time to discrediting a 70 year old woman, who most likely couldn't care less.

The dedication towards the debunking that i see in this "debunker's paradise" really just makes me believe in the pole shift even more. As never is there any rational discussion, the only method of argument these fools know is ad hominem (a logical fallacy).

You spend all your time debunking when you could be preparing and warning others to prepare. But no. You idiot pawns are being sucked in and distracted from whats going on just like TPTB would love, to them your all just useless eaters and dirtbags.



Enjoy the ride you dirt bags
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Comment by astrogal50 3 hours ago

If you do a search for "2012 Olympics UFO" you will see that many people noticed this UFO and are discussing it, even with the excuse that it is a blimp. Certainly appears that more than just some Pole Shift Ning members are open minded and mature enough to see what is right there. (I exclude the paid debunkers; they have financial reasons to pretend this UFO is just the Goodyear blimp.)
 Quoting: bob_909

I read her nonsense and smile. She's so smug and so sure of everything she believes in. It's so funny watching her continue on regardless of how many times she and Nancy are proven wrong...and regardless of how many years have gone by without any signs of "Planet X." Eventually it's going to sink in that she was stupid and I SO hope I'm around when reality smacks her upside the head.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Wow truly delusional you are. Your so confident that nothing is going to happen!!

What sort of a person cares so much about what another does on the internet, a person they have never met. If that's not a desperate attempt at a life then i don't know what is.

There really is little hope for mankind.

hope you have a bunker hiding
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BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!BAN melfy!!!! BAN MELFY!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


:lol4me: ....It is coming to a theatre near you..... and like I said before, "it will be when our resident doomsday clown aka Melfy least expects it"; and definitely at a time when he feels the despair :lol4me: of being left out....

:Loneranger:
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You give me hope, my friend, you give me hope.


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