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"We" - meaning the 20%, and I would definitely put YOU in that category. But as such, you are a HORRIBLE spokesman for the 80% who you're clearly not good at relating too (a flaw I've noted in MANY folk with High IQ scores).
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

You have no idea what you're talking about. But since you don't have the guts to come to an actual star party, you'll never find out that other amateur astronomers are very much like me, usually with even better equipment.
It's even worse when the brainy types get together - the arrogance GOES OFF THE CHARTS.
 Quoting: max

Well then you should definitely come to the star party and help balance that out.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


>> you'll never find out that other amateur astronomers are very much like me, usually with even better equipment.

I don't doubt that for a minute. And I'm sure that just like a gathering of vintage muscle car owners, most are there to SHOW OFF THEIR "BETTER" EQUIPMENT, get "ooh's and ahh's" and jealous looks; and drink beer and eat brats. The "ride in the country" (so to speak) is entirely secondary, and not the primary reason for "showing up".

Anyone wanting to do "serious" astronomy, is not going to find a "party" atmosphere conducive to productive "work" on some pet project.

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Look! Zetamax making up all kinds of statistics about a subject and people he knows nothing about without any supporting evidence whatsoever!

That NEVER happens!
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Well then you should definitely come to the star party and help balance that out.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


laugh The "Cornhole Tournament"

[link to chieflandstarpartygroup.com]
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Well then you should definitely come to the star party and help balance that out.
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laugh The "Cornhole Tournament"

[link to chieflandstarpartygroup.com]
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You're a complete asshole.
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Well then you should definitely come to the star party and help balance that out.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


laugh The "Cornhole Tournament"

[link to chieflandstarpartygroup.com]
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


You're a complete asshole.
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Wow, he really is. When all else fails, he resorts to homophobic insults.
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"We" - meaning the 20%, and I would definitely put YOU in that category. But as such, you are a HORRIBLE spokesman for the 80% who you're clearly not good at relating too (a flaw I've noted in MANY folk with High IQ scores).
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

You have no idea what you're talking about. But since you don't have the guts to come to an actual star party, you'll never find out that other amateur astronomers are very much like me, usually with even better equipment.
It's even worse when the brainy types get together - the arrogance GOES OFF THE CHARTS.
 Quoting: max

Well then you should definitely come to the star party and help balance that out.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


>> you'll never find out that other amateur astronomers are very much like me, usually with even better equipment.

I don't doubt that for a minute.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Wow, you really have no room to talk melfy. When was the last time you tracked a satellite in broad daylight?
And I'm sure that just like a gathering of vintage muscle car owners, most are there to SHOW OFF THEIR "BETTER" EQUIPMENT,
 Quoting: max

No, in fact most are there to compare notes and enjoy the friendship of like minded people who also enjoy observing the night sky. If they were just there to show off their equipment, they wouldn't come back year after year with the same telescope to meet with the same people.
The "ride in the country" (so to speak) is entirely secondary, and not the primary reason for "showing up".
 Quoting: max

Again, you have nothing to base this on since you're too gutless to actually show up and see what it's like to spend a week under dark skies surrounded by people who know more about what's out there than you do.
Anyone wanting to do "serious" astronomy, is not going to find a "party" atmosphere conducive to productive "work" on some pet project.
 Quoting: max

Holy cow, you have no idea what the atmosphere is like. How many star parties have you attended? ZERO! And yes, I've worked on pet projects myself at Chiefland, as did others around me.

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Case in point - he's got mental issues galore.

Anyway, I'm back on-line finally. My amateur radio station took a direct lightning hit Monday night. All cables from the antennas were disconnected from the equipment but the lightning said, "F**k that...I'm going through your expensive equipment." It took out my $1500 HF transceiver, my $1800 HF antenna, the UPS for my PC, the network interface on the PC, the router, the cable modem and the cable distribution block out in the backyard.
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Nice family portrait there Max. Do you still have that hat?
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Please stop shilling. Thank you.

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When are you going to stop?
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Anybody care to take over on this nonsense? I've had enough.


Thread: Have You Noticed The Sun Has "Moved"? Post Your Evidence / Stories Here!
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The stupid is strong over there.
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Well then you should definitely come to the star party and help balance that out.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


laugh The "Cornhole Tournament"

[link to chieflandstarpartygroup.com]
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


You're a complete asshole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12230458


Wow, he really is. When all else fails, he resorts to homophobic insults.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


It's right on the website! I can't make this shit up!
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And just why can't one of the "known" satellites in his list actually BE the Black Knight satellite??? It's not like it's going to be wearing a flashing neon sign or anything.

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Yes, you most certainly failed. You usually do.

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"We" - meaning the 20%, and I would definitely put YOU in that category. But as such, you are a HORRIBLE spokesman for the 80% who you're clearly not good at relating too (a flaw I've noted in MANY folk with High IQ scores).
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

You have no idea what you're talking about. But since you don't have the guts to come to an actual star party, you'll never find out that other amateur astronomers are very much like me, usually with even better equipment.
It's even worse when the brainy types get together - the arrogance GOES OFF THE CHARTS.
 Quoting: max

Well then you should definitely come to the star party and help balance that out.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


>> you'll never find out that other amateur astronomers are very much like me, usually with even better equipment.

I don't doubt that for a minute.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Wow, you really have no room to talk melfy. When was the last time you tracked a satellite in broad daylight?
And I'm sure that just like a gathering of vintage muscle car owners, most are there to SHOW OFF THEIR "BETTER" EQUIPMENT,
 Quoting: max

No, in fact most are there to compare notes and enjoy the friendship of like minded people who also enjoy observing the night sky. If they were just there to show off their equipment, they wouldn't come back year after year with the same telescope to meet with the same people.
The "ride in the country" (so to speak) is entirely secondary, and not the primary reason for "showing up".
 Quoting: max

Again, you have nothing to base this on since you're too gutless to actually show up and see what it's like to spend a week under dark skies surrounded by people who know more about what's out there than you do.
Anyone wanting to do "serious" astronomy, is not going to find a "party" atmosphere conducive to productive "work" on some pet project.
 Quoting: max

Holy cow, you have no idea what the atmosphere is like. How many star parties have you attended? ZERO! And yes, I've worked on pet projects myself at Chiefland, as did others around me.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


>> No, in fact most are there to compare notes and enjoy the friendship of like minded people who also enjoy observing the night sky. If they were just there to show off their equipment, they wouldn't come back year after year with the same telescope to meet with the same people.

I spent a week with Dr. Greer at one of his "trainings" back in 2006. No less than 2/3 were regular GROUPIES that were somehow independantly wealthy - and traveling all the over the world with him was something they just liked to do.

In a private moment, he was actually pretty derisive of them - for other than the fees they paid to participate, he considered them altogether "worthless".

I can guarantee you, a "star club" has no shortage of these types - who consider themselves "erudite" because they hang around smart people. Very convenient, because unlike truly organic relationships, they can be assured that the "group" will not reject them, or "unmask" them.

Now of course there are participants "like you" who really, Really, REALLY care about astronomy. But if you seriously think you're in the "majority" - heh, I got some prime Florida real estate to sell you ...

>> Again, you have nothing to base this on since you're too gutless to actually show up and see what it's like to spend a week under dark skies surrounded by people who know more about what's out there than you do.

Look "kid" (I'm probably two decades your senior), I've been around more people, events, and circumstances than I care to recall. There's nothing "special" about a star club. In my younger years I was always amused by a friend's endless recounting of the CUT-THROAT politics of the crafter's tent at the Wayne County Fair in Detroit. You'd think she was describing the "Sopranos". People lie, exaggerate, back-stab, maneuver, make promises they don't keep, bore everybody with thier constant attention hogging ... and in between all that, occasionally apply applique to an apron.

I KNOW a "star club" is no different. I've seen these dynamics EVERYWHERE.

On top of all that, there's certainly more than a couple "undercover" types on the DOD/CIA/FBI/NASA payroll as well - wandering around, and ready to POUNCE on any conversation that sounds like it's getting too far "out there".

I'm not saying there isn't "good astronomy" going on at these events - just not as "much" as you're implying, and certainly not enough to make the certainty that something like "the Black Knight Satellite" would be discovered and consistently tracked - a foregone conclusion.

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Look! Zetamax making up all kinds of statistics about a subject and people he knows nothing about without any supporting evidence whatsoever!

That NEVER happens! Except now twice on the same PAGE!
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Case in point - he's got mental issues galore.

Anyway, I'm back on-line finally. My amateur radio station took a direct lightning hit Monday night. All cables from the antennas were disconnected from the equipment but the lightning said, "F**k that...I'm going through your expensive equipment." It took out my $1500 HF transceiver, my $1800 HF antenna, the UPS for my PC, the network interface on the PC, the router, the cable modem and the cable distribution block out in the backyard.
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>> Case in point - he's got mental issues galore.

Welcome back!
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[snipage]
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

You're such a bullshitter.

By the time the shuttle flew, amateur astronomy was already well developed and highly advanced.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Amateur astronomy* came first anyway.

Brahe, Kepler, and Galileo certainly weren't paid to do their observations.
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*In the scientific sense.

ETA: I think my western-centricity just showed, there were court astronomers who weren't just astrologers in the middle and far East during the Middle Ages.
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>> By the time the shuttle flew, amateur astronomy was already well developed and highly advanced.

Yea, but SHARING information was NOT. Taking sky photos in the seventies and even eighties required film that needed later development, and expensive copies to deseminate. Making a case for other amateur's to investigate took a LOT more "marketing" back then than it does now. After all, "seeing is believing". Today's technology would indeed make it harder to keep secrets, but today's technology was NOT as available or affordable to the ordinary amateur when the shuttle brought the Black Knight Satellite back to Earth in the 80's.

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As if the regulars needed any more evidence the latest melfdown is proof that we need to BAN melfy!!BAN melfy!!BAN melfy!!BAN melfy!!BAN melfy!!!
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Yea, but SHARING information was NOT. Taking sky photos in the seventies and even eighties required film that needed later development, and expensive copies to deseminate. Making a case for other amateur's to investigate took a LOT more "marketing" back then than it does now. After all, "seeing is believing". Today's technology would indeed make it harder to keep secrets, but today's technology was NOT as available or affordable to the ordinary amateur when the shuttle brought the Black Knight Satellite back to Earth in the 80's.
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complete and utter bullshitte melfy- in the 80's many clubs issued newsletters- I myself had more mail from clubs in a week than my parents got all month

they might not have had many coloured pics in them- but pictures could be obtained from the owners if their verbal(or written) description wasnt enough

I know from my grandfather that even back in the 60's in a small country town, he was able to keep up with current affairs in the radio field- he kept every newsletter his club issued- the information exchange might not been as fast as it is now, but photocopying (mimograph I think they used then?) newsletters by post certainly were around and information exchange certainly happened

His interest in radio sparked my own interest in electronics, and many of the things they could do then are actually impossible to do now surprisingly (it was a major interest of some radio enthusiasts back then to `dx' tv transmissions- my grandfather actually picked up tv transmissions from south africa in oz after the local stations shut down for the night- something that in todays overcrowded airwaves would be impossible

so rather than making things easier, in many cases todays widespread usage of technology can actually cause us to regress in some areas...
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I'm not an astronomer (amateur or not) but I know from discussions that many have similar problems- back in the 60's- 80's widespread highpowered lighting wasn't around- many smaller towns used to turn off their (low powered by modern standards) lighting after a certain time as well

I know from lurking on many boards that light pollution is a major issue for many now, where in the past they could skywatch every night from their own backyards, now it involves travelling to an area free from light pollution, so it seems that currently less actual hours are spent actually skywatching than in the past- making it less likely that a `rogue event' would be captured now than it would have been back then
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My assertion would be - not many.

Most of these folks would be looking for new comets, and supernova, and dreaming of "stardom" - literally. Tracking near earth objects that are mostly just big rocks, is not going to impress most of the ladies in attendance.

They'll be over at Hap's table - looking at all his pretty nebula photos.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


and as usual- your `assertion' would be wrong...


much like `everything' you have ever posted


`They'll be over at Hap's table - looking at all his pretty nebula photos.'

Yes...yes they will be

They `might' be at melfys table looking at all his pretty planet x photos instead...

Whats that? he isnt there??

but certainly there will be `someone' with a table of planet x photos- `just to impress the ladies'.....

Whats that? they aren't there??


`Most of these folks would be looking for new comets, and supernova, and dreaming of "stardom" - literally.'
melfy quote

so IF they could scrap together a camera and an old floppy disc and get a photo- and had actual photos (you know- kinda like actual photos of real planets)

they could GET real stardom...

hmm...

doh

melfy fails AGAIN....

these people would indeed be the first to support you- IF there was anything in your claims that was true....


what was the name of the comet that was going to destroy the earth in deep impact???

Wolf-Biederman

Any `amateur' astronomer would just love to be the discoverer of ANY unknown object- near or far

Some may be honoured so

I really doubt that anything will ever- EVER EVER EVER- be named after you melfy....

IF' you go there and get a table- who knows- you might even get famous....

just not in the way you want to...
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I can guarantee you,
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

No, you can't. How many star parties have you attended?
Look "kid" (I'm probably two decades your senior), I've been around more people, events, and circumstances than I care to recall.
 Quoting: max

Irrelevant. How many star parties have you attended? You're too gutless to do it.
There's nothing "special" about a star club.
 Quoting: max

How would you know? You've never been. You don't know jack about amateur astronomy
I KNOW a "star club" is no different.
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No you don't, you've never been.
I've seen these dynamics EVERYWHERE.
 Quoting: max

I don't care what other groups you've been in, you've never come to a star party, you do not get to make assumptions and sweeping generalizations. It's a massive logical fallacy and an automatic fail, which is what you're good at.
On top of all that, there's certainly more than a couple "undercover" types on the DOD/CIA/FBI/NASA payroll as well - wandering around, and ready to POUNCE on any conversation that sounds like it's getting too far "out there".
 Quoting: max

And you're paranoid at that. You need serious mental help.
I'm not saying there isn't "good astronomy" going on at these events - just not as "much" as you're implying,
 Quoting: max

Again, until you actually show your face at chiefland, you do not get to make that claim. You have absolutely no evidence to support your claim. It does not matter what other social groups do or don't do.
and certainly not enough to make the certainty that something like "the Black Knight Satellite" would be discovered and consistently tracked - a foregone conclusion.
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And once again you prove how utterly clueless you are about amateur satellite tracking. We track everything, classified or not, and with knowledge of orbital mechanics (also beyond you) we identify each.
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It would be funny just to book a table there in his name-

He could attend and provide all his evidence of planet x or not as he pleases

(either way it would be an empty table)




lol


actually just as a laugh-I am willing to pay for all his travel expenses to and from the next one and any expenses in getting a stall,table or whatever

if he turns up and presents all his evidence of planet x


even if its an empty table (ie he cant provide any evidence of it at all)

I will still pay his travel to and from it
(I will insist that his table- even if its empty otherwise- must have `I am Zetamax' and `Planet X evidence' and the address of this thread written on it in legible and visible from 6 feet away in writing on it, and he must be at the table for at least 75% of the time that the public is allowed into the area around that table)

He has to stand by his evidence and prove it happened...

photos or it isnt real ;-)

(he doesn't have to actually show his face- I will allow him that much dignity, but he will have to show his attendance..)


I also insist he actually talks to people there- and listens to them as well


IF after all that- he still insists that all of `them' are deluded, paid off or are paid `debunkers'- I will buy him a steak dinner(or its equivalent if steak isnt his thing)

hey what a deal- even if he doesnt believe in planet x- he still gets to attend a real live bunch of amateur astronomers and maybe even learn something to boot


what a deal...
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Here we are again:

Melfy Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A Nibtards paradise!!

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 1068)

<sarcasm> clappa </sarcasm>



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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Here we are again:

Melfy Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A Nibtards paradise!!

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 1068)

<sarcasm> clappa </sarcasm>



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well if you are debunking nancy LIEder and planet x- step right up...

if you are a bunker- step right up!!!

we would love to see some actual real evidence of its existence...

so far not one has even flimsy `evidence' of it at all
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Here we are again:

Melfy Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A Nibtards paradise!!

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 1068)

<sarcasm> clappa </sarcasm>



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interesting to search your user number....
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interesting to search your user number....
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Your conclusion?


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Well, Melfy is a Lieder-Troll,

so it has to be aware of amateur astronomers, becauseueveryone of them could see Nibiru. To be honest, even every troll could see it naked eye.


And if Nimbiru would be close to the sun, everybody could see him or her with the naked eye: since more than a decade. And even with very simple equipment....

In Nancy Lieder`s world fools are running around with old floppy-discs and try to get noamateur-astronomers: stupid as they are.

So, Melfy, the Lieder-Troll has to mention somethting abut that.

Melfy and Flareberto are the same category....
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interesting to search your user number....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 21180058


Your conclusion?


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a quick search shows up that you have a belief in some `unusual' things, but also have a fairly solid standing in the real world...

I would be surprised if you actually believed anything melfy or his like supported

of course thats only stuff that showed up under your new number
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interesting to search your user number....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 21180058


Your conclusion?


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 Quoting: Hydra


a quick search shows up that you have a belief in some `unusual' things, ...
 Quoting: aussie 763624 21180058

What kind of "unusual" things - pink sun or so?
Didn't know, that I have to use the <irony> tags for the skippies too.

Just "Search User Name" and you'll know.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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interesting to search your user number....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 21180058


Your conclusion?


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a quick search shows up that you have a belief in some `unusual' things, ...
 Quoting: aussie 763624 21180058

What kind of "unusual" things - pink sun or so?
Didn't know, that I have to use the <irony> tags for the skippies too.

Just "Search User Name" and you'll know.

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 Quoting: Hydra


well all I have is what you post...

I just searched your user number rather than name

registered users have access to

`Just "Search User Name" and you'll know.'

however longtime posters would know why I dont have a `registered' name

jamie wouldnt approve of `them', but then this thread isnt as it was...

if you dont know what I am talking about- well hello and welcome to glp....


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