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I would GLADLY answer ... if I was a believer.
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Ah, so being a paid shill for Nancy doesn't mean you have to believe her?
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It's amazing that a lens flare can push it from 7 of 10 to 8 of 10...absolutely pathetic...


Comment by Nancy Lieder 40 minutes ago

And this, Fea, where the Zetas also say that more visibility of PX is part of the 8 of 10

ZetaTalk Prediction 12/4/2010:

This is information that coincides with the 8 of 10 scenarios and with the anticipated position of Planet X vs a vs the Earth for enhanced viewing of Planet X from the astonished residents of Earth.


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Gee, I wonder why I can't image planet eX like Flareberto?

Maybe it's because I know how to take images without lens flares!

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

Shot with an Olympus EPL-1 and Panasonic 45-200mm lens. Black astrosolar filter material.

Image unaltered except to reduce size - no other manipulation and EXIF data is untouched.
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Very nice.
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Gee, I wonder why I can't image planet eX like Flareberto?

Maybe it's because I know how to take images without lens flares!

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

Shot with an Olympus EPL-1 and Panasonic 45-200mm lens. Black astrosolar filter material.

Image unaltered except to reduce size - no other manipulation and EXIF data is untouched.
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Very nice.


If you're interested in how I made the filter, it's a 52 to 58mm step-up ring with a piece of black solar filter material attached to the ring. This results in a filter that is parallel to the front lens element and perpendicular to the light entering the lens. Camera mounted on a tripod because of the slow shutter speed even at ISO 1600.

I don't like the black solar filter material, it's relatively fragile as it is easily scratched even by a paintbrush used to remove dust from the surface.
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Pending Announcement - What the Establishment Fears

That's the caption to Nancy's latest post on the ning.

What will Nancy's true believers do when they come to the realization that it's all been a pack of lies?
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The big problem Bob909, is that she will simply stop mentioning it and it will be forgotten about until someone brings it up (usually a debunker, altho that's a little harder these days than when she was still hosting her chats here rather than the ning- much easier to control what people are allowed to post about there)
Bush was going to make and announcement then Obama was going to make one before he was elected, then there was the one before the Iraq war, where the US and Indonesian governments were going to make an announcement....

Each time when it became obvious that it wasn't going to happen, she simply stops talking about it, bringing up some `new exciting' doom for her followers to panic about...

This has always been her pattern- she used it when the `before Christmas' fireballs didn't appear, when the ISS was going to have to be evacuated due to increased debris from planet `fail's tail was going to cause it to be destroyed, she forgot about the dark twin for several years until someone else brought it up.

See the pattern?
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Pending Announcement - What the Establishment Fears

That's the caption to Nancy's latest post on the ning.

What will Nancy's true believers do when they come to the realization that it's all been a pack of lies?
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Only a "pack"? You act like it is more akin to a CARTON!

Thread: Best Video of Nibiru Yet

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I would GLADLY answer ... if I was a believer.
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Ah, so being a paid shill for Nancy doesn't mean you have to believe her?
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alert_2

Just a reminder: WE ARE JUST ***FIVE*** DAYS AWAY FROM THE 2nd PRE-CATACLYSM!!!! (a date endorsed by Clif!)

[link to www.ourtransition.info]
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alert_2

Just a reminder: WE ARE JUST ***FIVE*** DAYS AWAY FROM THE 2nd PRE-CATACLYSM!!!! (a date endorsed by Clif!)

[link to www.ourtransition.info]
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TRANSLATION: WE ARE JUST ***FIVE*** DAYS AWAY FROM MAX'S LATEST FAIL!!!!
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Pending Announcement - What the Establishment Fears

That's the caption to Nancy's latest post on the ning.

What will Nancy's true believers do when they come to the realization that it's all been a pack of lies?
 Quoting: bob_909


Only a "pack"? You act like it is more akin to a CARTON!

Thread: Best Video of Nibiru Yet
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


The video is no longer available...sounds like someone realized they were mistaken and took it down.
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Pending Announcement - What the Establishment Fears

That's the caption to Nancy's latest post on the ning.

What will Nancy's true believers do when they come to the realization that it's all been a pack of lies?
 Quoting: bob_909


Only a "pack"? You act like it is more akin to a CARTON!

Thread: Best Video of Nibiru Yet
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


The video is no longer available...sounds like someone realized they were mistaken and took it down.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


There's a second video and that one shows two lens flares.
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The big problem Bob909, is that she will simply stop mentioning it and it will be forgotten about until someone brings it up (usually a debunker, altho that's a little harder these days than when she was still hosting her chats here rather than the ning- much easier to control what people are allowed to post about there)
Bush was going to make and announcement then Obama was going to make one before he was elected, then there was the one before the Iraq war, where the US and Indonesian governments were going to make an announcement....

Each time when it became obvious that it wasn't going to happen, she simply stops talking about it, bringing up some `new exciting' doom for her followers to panic about...

This has always been her pattern- she used it when the `before Christmas' fireballs didn't appear, when the ISS was going to have to be evacuated due to increased debris from planet `fail's tail was going to cause it to be destroyed, she forgot about the dark twin for several years until someone else brought it up.

See the pattern?
 Quoting: aussie 763624 23931769


Indeed.. she's currently trying to move the attention from the failed 7/10, the "wrong transite" and the failed "COW-punches" with that very announement.

When Obama fails to mention anything she will just point her fingers elsewhere.
The "Council of Worlds" will likely get the blame... or the free-will is another good candidate.

Something like "even though we predicted per 93% that this will happen, X led to Y and this was in the hands of man"

The fervent believers will avoid any conflict to remain in their comfortable world... even though it means Nancy needs to bend her predictions over and over..
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She will probably swallow yet another "white lie" and and believe it all when the imaginary zetas extend the date of our destruction further into the future, like "2016 is too far out".
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That part, indeed, is what fascinates me. To see exacting parallels to the group profiled in 'When Prophecy Fails' realtime is very interesting, but it's the mindset I want to understand. How wrong is wrong enough? Or is there no limit? Would Nancy's believers be irrational enough to go the Heaven's Gate route, if Nancy demanded it? Or, if not, where would be their 'breaking point' where they would choose not to believe anymore? And why then? What criteria must be met for the believer to 'break up' with the PX belief?

Believers, perhaps not surprisingly, are rather reticent to answer those questions. A pity.
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I would GLADLY answer ... if I was a believer.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I got your answer some time ago, so I wasn't expecting nor hoping for one from you. I would like such a conversation answering those questions from Astrogal, but expect that is not forthcoming.

So you volunteered a comment here about that because...?
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Maybe I can answer this one as a longtime former Mod.


How wrong is wrong enough?


Unfortunately a lot needs to be wrong.
Once you are so deep in it, the truth could be right before your nose and you would deny it.

In the ZT-Exposed document I mentioned the "Fake-Maria" story.
Maria was a former Moderator and I was pretty good in contact with her. We had skype (webcam) conversations in the past so I knew her.

Anyhow,
After a while she stopped believing ZT and Nancy quickly proclaimed she must be a fake idendity. (According to Nancy, someone from the government to distract the PS-Mods).

I still had Maria added over Facebook and I went to check that ZT claims in more detail.
I started asking questions that only the real Maria could answer, and of course she could answer all of these....
then I went to do another webcam-session and again it was no-one but Maria herself...

What did the Moderators thought of all this?

At first, some of them were seriously confused (because all proved Nancy's claims wrong) but finally they choosed the way of the least resistance and jumped on Nancy's bandwagon who insisted this couldnt be Maria even though I provided the whole skype session and the answers as proof it is herself.

Nancy came up with her regular means of manipulation to let me look bad (calling me "a small bait" or a "young soul") and the rest of the Mods accordingly made it clear to me that any further discussion will lead to a suspension as a Mod.

Someone of them came up with the "brilliant" argument:
"If debunking ZT is not allowed on the PS-Ning, it shouldn't be allowed on the Admin-Ning either".

Which was the end of any further rational discussion. (Even though it never really stopped since I came across her mistakes with the SOHO EIT , the Neumayer images and finally the too obvious Venus-transite claims and discussed this openly on the admin Ning.)




Would someone go in Heaven's gate for ZT?

No doubt. Yes.
In fact there was one former Moderator who made indications in that direction... (Suicidal stuff) and Nancy quickly claimed her another "fake" to let the other Mods avoid any contact with that person.

To my knowledge that person has not yet commited suicide (thank god) and is not directly involved into ZT anymore. ( I guess that saved her life)...
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That part, indeed, is what fascinates me. To see exacting parallels to the group profiled in 'When Prophecy Fails' realtime is very interesting, but it's the mindset I want to understand. How wrong is wrong enough? Or is there no limit? Would Nancy's believers be irrational enough to go the Heaven's Gate route, if Nancy demanded it? Or, if not, where would be their 'breaking point' where they would choose not to believe anymore? And why then? What criteria must be met for the believer to 'break up' with the PX belief?

Believers, perhaps not surprisingly, are rather reticent to answer those questions. A pity.
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I would GLADLY answer ... if I was a believer.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I got your answer some time ago, so I wasn't expecting nor hoping for one from you. I would like such a conversation answering those questions from Astrogal, but expect that is not forthcoming.

So you volunteered a comment here about that because...?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Maybe I can answer this one as a longtime former Mod.


How wrong is wrong enough?


Unfortunately a lot needs to be wrong.
Once you are so deep in it, the truth could be right before your nose and you would deny it.

In the ZT-Exposed document I mentioned the "Fake-Maria" story.
Maria was a former Moderator and I was pretty good in contact with her. We had skype (webcam) conversations in the past so I knew her.

Anyhow,
After a while she stopped believing ZT and Nancy quickly proclaimed she must be a fake idendity. (According to Nancy, someone from the government to distract the PS-Mods).

I still had Maria added over Facebook and I went to check that ZT claims in more detail.
I started asking questions that only the real Maria could answer, and of course she could answer all of these....
then I went to do another webcam-session and again it was no-one but Maria herself...

What did the Moderators thought of all this?

At first, some of them were seriously confused (because all proved Nancy's claims wrong) but finally they choosed the way of the least resistance and jumped on Nancy's bandwagon who insisted this couldnt be Maria even though I provided the whole skype session and the answers as proof it is herself.

Nancy came up with her regular means of manipulation to let me look bad (calling me "a small bait" or a "young soul") and the rest of the Mods accordingly made it clear to me that any further discussion will lead to a suspension as a Mod.

Someone of them came up with the "brilliant" argument:
"If debunking ZT is not allowed on the PS-Ning, it shouldn't be allowed on the Admin-Ning either".

Which was the end of any further rational discussion. (Even though it never really stopped since I came across her mistakes with the SOHO EIT , the Neumayer images and finally the too obvious Venus-transite claims and discussed this openly on the admin Ning.)




Would someone go in Heaven's gate for ZT?

No doubt. Yes.
In fact there was one former Moderator who made indications in that direction... (Suicidal stuff) and Nancy quickly claimed her another "fake" to let the other Mods avoid any contact with that person.

To my knowledge that person has not yet commited suicide (thank god) and is not directly involved into ZT anymore. ( I guess that saved her life)...
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I appreciate your insights, and you have been very candid in explaining how you came to 'break up' with Nancy's cult. It may be that such breaking points are unique to the believer/individual in question, and there's no way to come up with a true 'goal post' that would work for everyone addicted to Nancy's claims. Certainly her plethora of past failures didn't end her cult.

The idea that anyone would hold onto Nancy's ideas with Heaven's Gate-like fervor is troubling, particularly given the quality of those ideas is terribly low. But, then, so was the Heaven's Gate idea itself, I suppose.

Be well, and thank you for replying. And keep on keeping on.
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Hey Dr. Astro howsabout some more killer pics from your telescope? Pretty please!!!


WOW the pretty please felt strange.
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I appreciate your insights, and you have been very candid in explaining how you came to 'break up' with Nancy's cult. It may be that such breaking points are unique to the believer/individual in question, and there's no way to come up with a true 'goal post' that would work for everyone addicted to Nancy's claims. Certainly her plethora of past failures didn't end her cult.
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Correct.
This can go deep enough as that only YOU can convince yourself of smth. being otherwise.

Making "reality" more obvious certainly helps awakening but probably there are harder states of denial aswell.. so at the end its totally up to the individual and this is were the Mods are currently, I believe.

A true "goal post" was something I tried with my doc until I realized that I cannot brake these mental-barriers that some people have set up to themselves, but it worked to a good extend for some and I know at least a handful of people who significantly changed their minds/lifes in accordance. - Yes the "break point" is definetly very individual.


The idea that anyone would hold onto Nancy's ideas with Heaven's Gate-like fervor is troubling, particularly given the quality of those ideas is terribly low. But, then, so was the Heaven's Gate idea itself, I suppose.
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Yes, it is troublesome and dangerous.
I know of at least one example were someone intended to do something stupid in order to bring "ZT into the News"...

And if someone imagines this to an extreme then it might turn out to be a real threat.

Nancy does not call for these things, (I guess she even dislikes the idea because it could bring very bad attention to her cult), but some people just go on their own and start to get outta control in this regard.

Fortunately the mindset is not as radical (in terms of self-destroying, martyrdom, or harming others) as other ideologies on this planet..but still it is very destructive in terms of social contacts, social position, state of mind and future plans.

In that, anyone who counters her disinfo is truely doing a great service for their fellow man.

Be well, and thank you for replying. And keep on keeping on.
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Cheers. :) It is very intriguing for me aswell. I suspected Nancy would be thrown out weeks ago but I encountered unforseen hurdles (somehow I cant touch em :P )..

All in its proper time.. the poleshift may encounter a poleshift.
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A question to the old-timer here:

It seems there is a successor of Nancy Lieder: Daersoulkeeper

The creme de la creme of the Nibirutards.

At the moment three "Niburu is near" threads:
Thread: PROOF and History of Wormwood, Nibiru, Hercolubus, The dragon, Planet X, Hidden Message in movie BABYLON AD - New VIDEO
Thread: i swear i saw wormwood last 2:30-3 am in my telescope - massachusetts
Thread: Planet X Visible to the world on the 17th admitted by TPTB

Deletes every post that proves him wrong and if the poster is a registered member bans him.

E.g.
Thread: i swear i saw wormwood last 2:30-3 am in my telescope - massachusetts

Someone mentioned, Daersoulkeeper saw Jupiter.
Daersoulkeeper: I know where Venus and Jupiter are. It's not Venus or Jupiter.
Netxt day she/he deleted the post and corrected his post to: I know where Venus is. It's not Venus.


Any idea how to handle this?

Is it possible to make a thread "Daersoulkeepers PlanetX/Nibiru - uncesored" or would this regarded as "Abusive post/thread"?




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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I appreciate your insights, and you have been very candid in explaining how you came to 'break up' with Nancy's cult. It may be that such breaking points are unique to the believer/individual in question, and there's no way to come up with a true 'goal post' that would work for everyone addicted to Nancy's claims. Certainly her plethora of past failures didn't end her cult.
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Correct.
This can go deep enough as that only YOU can convince yourself of smth. being otherwise.

Making "reality" more obvious certainly helps awakening but probably there are harder states of denial aswell.. so at the end its totally up to the individual and this is were the Mods are currently, I believe.

A true "goal post" was something I tried with my doc until I realized that I cannot brake these mental-barriers that some people have set up to themselves, but it worked to a good extend for some and I know at least a handful of people who significantly changed their minds/lifes in accordance. - Yes the "break point" is definetly very individual.


The idea that anyone would hold onto Nancy's ideas with Heaven's Gate-like fervor is troubling, particularly given the quality of those ideas is terribly low. But, then, so was the Heaven's Gate idea itself, I suppose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Yes, it is troublesome and dangerous.
I know of at least one example were someone intended to do something stupid in order to bring "ZT into the News"...

And if someone imagines this to an extreme then it might turn out to be a real threat.

Nancy does not call for these things, (I guess she even dislikes the idea because it could bring very bad attention to her cult), but some people just go on their own and start to get outta control in this regard.

Fortunately the mindset is not as radical (in terms of self-destroying, martyrdom, or harming others) as other ideologies on this planet..but still it is very destructive in terms of social contacts, social position, state of mind and future plans.

In that, anyone who counters her disinfo is truely doing a great service for their fellow man.

Be well, and thank you for replying. And keep on keeping on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Cheers. :) It is very intriguing for me aswell. I suspected Nancy would be thrown out weeks ago but I encountered unforseen hurdles (somehow I cant touch em :P )..

All in its proper time.. the poleshift may encounter a poleshift.
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>> In that, anyone who counters her disinfo is truely doing a great service for their fellow man.

Yep - throwing the baby out with the bathwater is "a great service for their fellow man."

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>> In that, anyone who counters her disinfo is truely doing a great service for their fellow man.

Yep - throwing the baby out with the bathwater is "a great service for their fellow man."

:dubious_cat:


How do you figure?

What 'baby' is getting thrown out with the 'Planet X isn't coming to destroy the Earth' bathwater?
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The idea that anyone would hold onto Nancy's ideas with Heaven's Gate-like fervor is troubling, particularly given the quality of those ideas is terribly low. But, then, so was the Heaven's Gate idea itself, I suppose.
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Yes, it is troublesome and dangerous.
I know of at least one example were someone intended to do something stupid in order to bring "ZT into the News"...

And if someone imagines this to an extreme then it might turn out to be a real threat.

Nancy does not call for these things, (I guess she even dislikes the idea because it could bring very bad attention to her cult), but some people just go on their own and start to get outta control in this regard.

Fortunately the mindset is not as radical (in terms of self-destroying, martyrdom, or harming others) as other ideologies on this planet..but still it is very destructive in terms of social contacts, social position, state of mind and future plans.

In that, anyone who counters her disinfo is truely doing a great service for their fellow man.

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I have mentioned in the past how my involvement with nancy LIEder began, with a friend who was a successful businessman and family man until falling into the 2003 poleshift garbage from nancy. He lost his business, lost his family and ended up living on the streets, until he finally disappeared for good back around 2005
Nobody knows if he is still alive or not- he may have come to his senses and realising that he could never be a respected businessman again in my home town, may have moved elsewhere where his reputation was unknown and started again- I hope so, for his sake, but as he was last seen penniless and living under bridges, he may have either committed suicide and his body not found, or been killed, or simply died of malnutrition or disease

In any case, nobody, family or friends has heard from him in over 7 years- hence my `dislike' for peddlers of such b/s and pity for their supporters
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>> In that, anyone who counters her disinfo is truely doing a great service for their fellow man.

Yep - throwing the baby out with the bathwater is "a great service for their fellow man."

:dubious_cat:
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How do you figure?

What 'baby' is getting thrown out with the 'Planet X isn't coming to destroy the Earth' bathwater?


The now rather stinky and rather greenish baterwater that melfy is anything but a full on doomtard...

;-)

This bathwater should never have been run in the first place
and zetababble was, is and will continue to be a dangerous cult, with the potential to ruin peoples lives- all because of the mental instability/ greed of a wannabe failed cult LIEder.....
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The US has announced a new base in eastern Australia, as they hope to jump to the newly habitable lands of Antarctica quickly after the Pole Shift, partnering with Australia and Britain in this regard
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

What new base ??

We rejected the relocation of the US carrier and its support fleet to be moved from the US east coast to a naval base south of Perth.

We tread a fine line between upsetting either our closest defence ally or our biggest trading partner.


Of course, she could be referring to the new deal allowing a Us marine training camp in Darwin.Looking at its finer detail, i can't imagine the 2500 rotated marines will make a lot of impact leading the new Antarctic invasion force. There are more US military working at the top-secret pine gap facility.

Darwin isn't eastern Australia.

Zeta wrong again
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And somebody from the former moderators tried to meet earlier this old woman? If yes, that what impressions remained?
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And Flareberto aka the man with the lense flares seems to be the last resort for the confused Zetas, who forgot everything: science, photography, maths and so on ...

So probably a lense flare will be the start of the 8/10 ...
Nothing new in Nancyland apart from some very bad jokes and hoaxes.

This dirty little hoax is so obvious now. It is incredible that there are still some stupid people who buy this poleshit.

They will keep on waiting till 2020, 2030, 2040...
30/10! Open end! What a shame for the modern times of internet which seem to go back there in the deepest middle age. I sometimes wonder why Astrogal50 and Gerard Zwaan got so quiet. Do they have no more old floppy-disks at home? It is a shame, especially when you consider how they abuse and manipulate people over there.

@ Gerard Zwaan:
Stop the fraud and close the poleshift-ning. Otherwise your soul will burn for centuries in deepest hell. And for a good reason! Zetas wrong again, what means nothing more like Nancy wrong again: like always.

I hope they all have a nice holiday over there in Indonesia together, when this freakshow is over.
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And Flareberto aka the man with the lense flares seems to be the last resort for the confused Zetas, who forgot everything: science, photography, maths and so on ...

So probably a lense flare will be the start of the 8/10 ...
Nothing new in Nancyland apart from some very bad jokes and hoaxes.

This dirty little hoax is so obvious now. It is incredible that there are still some stupid people who buy this poleshit.

They will keep on waiting till 2020, 2030, 2040...
30/10! Open end! What a shame for the modern times of internet which seem to go back there in the deepest middle age. I sometimes wonder why Astrogal50 and Gerard Zwaan got so quiet. Do they have no more old floppy-disks at home? It is a shame, especially when you consider how they abuse and manipulate people over there.

@ Gerard Zwaan:
Stop the fraud and close the poleshift-ning. Otherwise your soul will burn for centuries in deepest hell. And for a good reason! Zetas wrong again, what means nothing more like Nancy wrong again: like always.

I hope they all have a nice holiday over there in Indonesia together, when this freakshow is over.
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I feel you, but in my opinion you project your emotions to the wrong people.
Gerard and Astrogal are not aware that they are misleading people, the same counts for the rest of the Moderators.

In my mind you cannot exclusively blame someone who is not aware of the problem.

To the contrary Nancy is fully aware of her agenda so she takes full responsibility of her actions.

Yes, Gerard needs to stop this or at least remove Nancy and ZT from the Ning - but this can only happen if he realizes that ZT was just hot air..
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And somebody from the former moderators tried to meet earlier this old woman? If yes, that what impressions remained?
Thanks!
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Hi,
I am not exactly sure what info you are seeking but I guess you are asking if someone met Nancy in real life or something similar?

If so,
in 97' a group of amateur-astronomers went to visit her for a "Hale-Bopp-party", [link to www.laughton.com]
[link to www.laughton.com]

It seems they weren't really successful in approaching her in person though.

However, when I was a Mod I attended to the weekly Skype-sessions and these included webcam-feed at the very start. - Nancy included.

What impressions remained?

Pretty much the same like she appears over the net.
Rather chatty, deceptive smile, legere talking and her smooth granma-voice as usual.

She even did alleged "live ZTs" over Skype on occasion, usally pre-written texts(when the topics were discussed previously) or rather poor, stagnant freestyle-ZetaTalks that didn't really left anything tangible.

Certainly she knows how to lie you flat in the face without revealing too much clues via body language - despite sound-only which is a cake for her.

If you want some footage check "the zetas talk" on youtube, she basically appears like that.

Some other interesting facts in this context:
- She always used to keep her garden clean and all the preparation-stuff etc. in case the media would pop-up. ( Hey, the theory does need to be credible if anyone is supposed to buy it from the guru himself. A garden with vegetables, saving seeds - A must.)

- She didn't liked the Webcam-feed for long, on occasion she just left her feed out until it was completly discarded to save bandwith ( I guess she felt a little uncomfortable, face to face),

- She was constantly lagging during the skype-sessions (every couple of seconds) and she claimed that the goverment is aiming microwaves at her telephone-line to interrupt the calls. - More preciesly, microwaves that supposedly do not influence regular-calls but only the internet-connection.... Nifty, eh?

- I didn't see much of her home because her webcam was always pointed towars a wall so it was basically her and her black cat that occasionally wandered along the view.

In all, impressions of a 70+ year old woman that still does well know how to lie and manipulate... and may it be face to face if needed.
hf
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Well, no baby today. Guess she's going to be late like her sister. Oh well. If she doesn't come tomorrow she gets served with an eviction Thursday morning.
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More about Tunnel-Vision ,yes, about it I also wanted to learn. Thanks for the detailed answer and the link about a trip of astronomers to Nancy.
It is in any case interesting to learn, than all this will end. 17 years to devote itself to zetatalk.com site and to finish anything - somehow not so interestingly.
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alert_2

Just a reminder: WE ARE JUST ***FIVE*** DAYS AWAY FROM THE 2nd PRE-CATACLYSM!!!! (a date endorsed by Clif!)

[link to www.ourtransition.info]
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


TRANSLATION: WE ARE JUST ***FIVE*** DAYS AWAY FROM MAX'S LATEST FAIL!!!!
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


siren2 UPDATE!!! siren2

The Russian Scientists have posted a new article discussing SAFE LOCATIONS for the imminent 2nd Pre-Cataclysm of ENORMOUS POWER that will hit the earth THIS SATURDAY!!!!

Thankfully, Chicago is SAFE!:

Edgar Cayce stated that Chicago and surrounding areas will not be affected. The safety of these places is caused by location of very strong magnetic anomaly «Temagami» – The Temagami Magnetic Anomaly.

[link to www.ourtransition.info]

You should be making final preparations NOW!!!

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You should be making final preparations NOW!!!
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Max, be truthful, how many times have you made final preperations?
You seem to think every given doom date is fact.
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You should be making final preparations NOW!!!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Max, be truthful, how many times have you made final preperations?
You seem to think every given doom date is fact.
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I've lost count.

Just keep in mind:

"Past performance is no indication of future performance."


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