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If the earth is wobbling why don't I lose my satellite TV signal since the satellite orbits the center of mass of the earth and would not follow a wobble?

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The atmosphere drags with the Earth in the main, though not completely. Satellite signals do not require an exact connection but a range, in any case. Breaks in the connection are an increasing problem, which those providing satellite service will confirm, however.
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I'm sure Hap can confirm this.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Uh, what has atmosphere dragging (assuming that were true) have to do with satellites? And anyone with a dish will tell you they DO require precise alignment......
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If the earth is wobbling why don't I lose my satellite TV signal since the satellite orbits the center of mass of the earth and would not follow a wobble?

SOZT
The atmosphere drags with the Earth in the main, though not completely. Satellite signals do not require an exact connection but a range, in any case. Breaks in the connection are an increasing problem, which those providing satellite service will confirm, however.
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I'm sure Hap can confirm this.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

I can confirm it for you - what Nancy claims isn't happening. Yes, satellites can broadcast over a wide range...but that depends on the type of transmitting antenna being used. If the Earth were wobbling unpredictably, satellite TV service would not work because the dishes used at the home to receive the signals have a very narrow beam width. They must be aimed very closely to where the satellite is located. Any deviation of a few inches will cause LOS. This simply isn't happening. If it were, DirectTV or Dish Network would be out at my complex constantly redirecting the dishes of my neighbors. In addition, GPS receivers...all of them, would fail to work correctly.

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Jesus Christ Circuit Breaker, do you ever stop lying, besmirching, and misleading???
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Show where I lie? Can you? Now, do YOU ever stop lying, besmirching, misleading and attacking???

In case you're having difficulty answering that - which seems to be the case of any question asked of you, I'll answer it for you: no - you don't.

He said he's working on it, he doesn't do the bullshit things you elude he does. People like YOU are a waste of time to converse with, and you prove it every single day right here.
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Much like he said once before on this or another topic...only to never post a damn thing to support his claims...much like you. People like YOU are a waste of time to converse with and you prove it with every single post you make right here. Imagine that!


You have something very wrong with you! Max presented in this very thread and only one page back. Why do you have to lie so damn readily? Get a grip.
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You have something very wrong with YOU! You attack and insult anyone who questions Nancy Lieder. Even when they're polite and respectful. And then you lie by claiming "debunkers" are paid to be here. Why do you have to lie so damn readily? Get a grip. No one believes you because you never back up anything. You just post and run.
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Geez, been away for almost 4 weeks and nothing changes. Same old lame arguments by Max, same insults by Luser and more drivel from Nancy.

Max, if you think that the valuable part of Nancy's "message" is the STO vs STS information, I feel sorry for you. This doctrine is no better than any other. Her whole scenario of how souls are one or the other or undecided is no different than the Christian doctrine of sons of god, sinners and purgatory. I see you have a long way to go on the road to spiritual development if you are impressed by this new age pseudo spirituality that Nancy would have you believe. You say that the pole shift and planet x may just be ploys to get people interested in the STO/STS crap. That is silly. Everything she says turns out to be wrong, so anyone with a little bit of critical thinking skills would take anything else she has to say with a half a grain of salt. I just came back from a retreat in South America with other healers, and reading your comments about this make me feel sad for people that buy into this bullshit. The truth is so much more empowering than what Nancy is selling. She is not your friend. She is placing obstacles in the paths of her fellow man, and by supporting her and berating others that don't believe her you are participating in perpetuating that same primitive energy.
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I just came back from a retreat in South America with other healers, and reading your comments about this make me feel sad for people that buy into this bullshit. The truth is so much more empowering than what Nancy is selling. She is not your friend. She is placing obstacles in the paths of her fellow man, and by supporting her and berating others that don't believe her you are participating in perpetuating that same primitive energy.
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Here Here! They won't listen to you though. They are immune to reason. Completely brain-washed.
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If the earth is wobbling why don't I lose my satellite TV signal since the satellite orbits the center of mass of the earth and would not follow a wobble?

SOZT
The atmosphere drags with the Earth in the main, though not completely. Satellite signals do not require an exact connection but a range, in any case. Breaks in the connection are an increasing problem, which those providing satellite service will confirm, however.
EOZT


I'm sure Hap can confirm this.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


I can...Nancy is full of shit. Ku band uplink antennas have a beamwidth of only 1/10th of one degree. If the earth wobbled by that much, satellite TV would be impossible.
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I see the Zeta talk threads have gotten entertaining again with Candace stirring up a "KOOK FIGHT".

Candace has been on a thread hijacking spree lately, she took over the Holy shit look at the magnetosphere thread, and has been making weekly appearances in Nancy's threads lately as well.

it's too bad Nancy isn't responding to her I would enjoy seeing how they react to each others conflicting theories.

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Geez, been away for almost 4 weeks and nothing changes. Same old lame arguments by Max, same insults by Luser and more drivel from Nancy.

Max, if you think that the valuable part of Nancy's "message" is the STO vs STS information, I feel sorry for you. This doctrine is no better than any other. Her whole scenario of how souls are one or the other or undecided is no different than the Christian doctrine of sons of god, sinners and purgatory. I see you have a long way to go on the road to spiritual development if you are impressed by this new age pseudo spirituality that Nancy would have you believe. You say that the pole shift and planet x may just be ploys to get people interested in the STO/STS crap. That is silly. Everything she says turns out to be wrong, so anyone with a little bit of critical thinking skills would take anything else she has to say with a half a grain of salt. I just came back from a retreat in South America with other healers, and reading your comments about this make me feel sad for people that buy into this bullshit. The truth is so much more empowering than what Nancy is selling. She is not your friend. She is placing obstacles in the paths of her fellow man, and by supporting her and berating others that don't believe her you are participating in perpetuating that same primitive energy.
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>> You say that the pole shift and planet x may just be ploys to get people interested in the STO/STS crap.

I am merely speculating - thinking out loud so to speak. Just in case, in the end, no pole shift ever occurs. I know there is something to all the pole shift talk though, from MULTIPLE sources.

LOL - primitive energy indeed! So you're like the monkey who sees no evil, etc.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I see the Zeta talk threads have gotten entertaining again with Candace stirring up a "KOOK FIGHT".
 Quoting: Mysterysoul

Yes, she's attracted a few nutters lately. Candace claims that we should be at the Fall equinox already, but aren't. Well, duh! That's because equinox and solstice occur on either the 21st or 22nd of the month. It's been that way for as long as I can remember. She also claims to have documentation showing that Earth is wobbling. I asked her to present it. Somehow I doubt she will.

The other two that are claiming Earth is wobbling are Andrew and Nancy's latest parrot, Gerard. Both of them make grand claims, but have no evidence to support them. Nor can they explain why satellite TV service, GPS navigation continues to function or how GOTO telescopes can accurately track celestial objects if the Earth were wobbling.

I imagine over the course of the next two years, leading in to 2012, their claims are going to get even more ridiculous...while Loser's attacks become more frantic.
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ZetaMax, how you doin?

I don't think Dr Postman knows one whit about the psychology of the organization he claims he has been a member of for all of these years.
Of course "peer" pressure plays a role!
Otherwise, why have people stand up and relay their experiences both good and bad. Sure empathy plays a role, but many empathetic people in a room all concentrating on the same person can have a positive "peer" pressure influence.
These debunkers are so damned determined to speak against anything Nancy Lieder says they actually smack themselves in the face doing so. Funny shit, it is!
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though it was not adressed to me personally, i will add tp that.

they are so desperately trying to disprove that if Nancy/Zetas made a simple statement that "Sun rises in the East" they would claim it is WRONG!

truly amazing! one can observe this type of behaviour in those who are in hard denial. the message is so unacceptable for them that they go to just denying EVERYTHING that comes from a source.
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truly amazing! one can observe this type of behaviour in those who are in hard denial. the message is so unacceptable for them that they go to just denying EVERYTHING that comes from a source.
 Quoting: andrew


Fully AGREED!!

highfive_
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Since when does anyone have to a degree in Geology in order to hold a frozen palm frond in his hand, while standing hundreds of miles above the Arctic Circle, and think "something here is out of place".

Ever since User claimed that Hap shouldn't be taken seriously because he didn't have a degree in Astronomy. But, explaining the palm frond is very easy. It's called "plate tectonics"...perhaps you've heard of it. Ever heard of Pangea? I'm sure you have. But, instead of listening to people who have spent a vast amount of time studying geology, you'd rather listen to a preacher with no expertise in that field....much like you'd rather people reject logic and accept "ZetaTalk" as the truth.
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yeah, move entire continencts over Earth's surface to **fit** traces of former poles and climate belts.

"Anything, but..."

there is a better and more reasonamble explanation - regular pole shifts (actual crustal shifts).
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Tell, us, oh wise one, assuming base 10 number systems, is "2+2=4" a true statement or a false statement.

Show your work.

And if you get that one right we will see if you have learned the math that has been known for over 2000 years.

My guess is you won't even try.


of course i wouldnt.

no need to adress this dumb bullshit you choose to call "meaningful" "discussion" and "argument"

s226


So, it seems Andrew regards '2+2=4' as 'dumb bullshit!

That tells us a LOT!

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Debunker tactics: "Let's twist again!..."

whatever
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they are so desperately trying to disprove that if Nancy/Zetas made a simple statement that "Sun rises in the East" they would claim it is WRONG!
 Quoting: andrew

And you're so desperately trying to convince others that some "rogue planet" is coming to cause a "pole shift" and then get upset when people simply ask for evidence of this. Your statement is just plain stupid because the sun DOES rise in the east. It is easily provable with simple observations. Much like the claims made by you and Nancy are easily proven false by these same simple observations.

truly amazing! one can observe this type of behaviour in those who are in hard denial. the message is so unacceptable for them that they go to just denying EVERYTHING that comes from a source.
 Quoting: andrew

Yes, you are truly amazing. Your behavior is that of one who is definitely in hard denial. "Planet X" was supposed to show up in 2003. It didn't. And yet, you continue to believe that it's coming. "Planet X" has supposedly been hanging out by the sun for over six years. There's absolutely no proof of that. And yet, you continue to claim that it is...while also running away from any chance to prove it. You claim the Earth is wobbling. Video evidence shows it is not. And yet, you continue to claim it is...while not having any evidence to support that. The fact that you are wrong is so unacceptable for you that you just keep on denying everything that is presented showing how and why you are wrong.
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Debunker tactics: "Let's twist again!..."

whatever
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Bunker tactics: "Let's just keep saying 'Planet X' is coming soon but never present any concrete and verifiable evidence of it!...."

whatever
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yeah, move entire continencts over Earth's surface to **fit** traces of former poles and climate belts.

"Anything, but..."

there is a better and more reasonamble explanation - regular pole shifts (actual crustal shifts).
 Quoting: andrew

Only more reasonable to those who have no real knowledge or expertise on the subject and believe in "rogue planets" for which no evidence exists.
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truly amazing! one can observe this type of behaviour in those who are in hard denial. the message is so unacceptable for them that they go to just denying EVERYTHING that comes from a source.


Fully AGREED!!

highfive_
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Of course you agree. You're paid to.

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truly amazing! one can observe this type of behaviour in those who are in hard denial. the message is so unacceptable for them that they go to just denying EVERYTHING that comes from a source.


Fully AGREED!!

highfive_



fool
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_bozo_
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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And the whining goes on. I guess we can change the name from debunking crowd into whining crowd.
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And the whining goes on. I guess we can change the name from debunking crowd into whining crowd.
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Indeed - call them a "Wh"ambulance!!

siren2

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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And the whining goes on. I guess we can change the name from debunking crowd into whining crowd.
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And the whining goes on. I guess we can change the name from bunking crowd in to whining crowd.

This is a "debunker" thread. If you don't like it, go start your own thread. No one makes you come here...or do they?
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Perhaps. I might even say "probably". But I'm not "hung up" on that. It's not as important as the STO-STS information - which is the best most insightful presentation of the concept I've encountered ANYWHERE.



It's just typical new-age woo-woo bullshit. You might as well just say , there are nice people and horrible people!

Another example of your simplistic, childish view of life.

It's odd how you share such a peculiarly infantile view with Nancy.....
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"You might as well just say, there are nice people and horrible people"

but ZT suggests an explanation for that, and very reasonable explanation!

i came to see things in the same way, long before i knew about ZT, in fact in childhood. though i couldnt put it into words, describe it, much less explain it. now i can! and i KNOW it, not "believe", but KNOW and sure as hell about that!
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Indeed - call us bunkers "Wh"ambulances!!

siren2
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AGREED!
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but ZT suggests an explanation for that, and very reasonable explanation!
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Only to people such as yourself you believe they are part of some "higher calling."
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This is a "debunker" thread. If you don't like it, go start your own thread. No one makes you come here...or do they?
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Then why, pray tell did you joined the "ZetaTalk" thread. I can ask you the same question.

And sorry to say but in my humble opinion most debunkers act like whining children.
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Geez, been away for almost 4 weeks and nothing changes. Same old lame arguments by Max, same insults by Luser and more drivel from Nancy.

Max, if you think that the valuable part of Nancy's "message" is the STO vs STS information, I feel sorry for you. This doctrine is no better than any other. Her whole scenario of how souls are one or the other or undecided is no different than the Christian doctrine of sons of god, sinners and purgatory. I see you have a long way to go on the road to spiritual development if you are impressed by this new age pseudo spirituality that Nancy would have you believe. You say that the pole shift and planet x may just be ploys to get people interested in the STO/STS crap. That is silly. Everything she says turns out to be wrong, so anyone with a little bit of critical thinking skills would take anything else she has to say with a half a grain of salt. I just came back from a retreat in South America with other healers, and reading your comments about this make me feel sad for people that buy into this bullshit. The truth is so much more empowering than what Nancy is selling. She is not your friend. She is placing obstacles in the paths of her fellow man, and by supporting her and berating others that don't believe her you are participating in perpetuating that same primitive energy.
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did it ever came to you that Bible (and Quran and most Particularly Zoroastrism) may be just simply RIGHT about spirituality?

that if many sources describe basically the same thing, that the may be describing the objective reality, a FACT?!

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Then why, pray tell did you joined the "ZetaTalk" thread. I can ask you the same question.
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Because I don't dislike ZetaTalk threads. In fact, it is quite the opposite. It is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship. And it was Nancy who started banning people for asking her questions for which she had no answer. It was also Nancy who took it upon herself to delete a "debunker" thread and then ban the person who started it. Today, I saw some claims that are obviously false and easily provable as such so I made some comments on it....and you all started having a fit.

And sorry to say but in my humble opinion most debunkers act like whining children.
 Quoting: Gerard

And, sorry to say, but to I and many other so called "debunkers", most bunkers act like whining children. Most throw tantrums when asked for evidence to support their claims.

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