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Hmmm...Max has been gone for quite a while. I do hope he's okay. He may be a shill, but that doesn't mean I want to see harm come to him. That's where "debunkers" and Nancy shills are different - they're constantly hoping "debunkers" meet a painful end.
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Indeed.
Seems like Max is a human being with emotions...

I deeply feel for him if he's currently "awakening".
It certainly ain't and won't be an easy time.

He has my full respect in any case and I wish him all the best for the future!

@Max,
If you ever plan to come to Germany, you're sincerely invited for a visit!
Also if you need someone to talk regarding this feel free to contact me!

Stay strong mate.
cheers
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Hi all. Looks like I finally got unbanned. I see I missed something big- Astro's departure. Sad- truly sad. I hope he and Tbar will keep up the good work on Youboob, debunking the fear-mongering nonsense.
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Well, we have our proof - our proof that Nancy or one of her walking dead DO monitor this thread. That being said - Astro is NOT gone. He is STILL an active participant of the GLP Observatory. He simply isn't posting in our threads or creating any of his own.

Weak Nancy - very weak and does NOTHING to explain why your claim of an announcement regarding "Planet X" is such a failure. Nor does it explain why there are so many other "debunkers" here...especially me. I've been here since 2003 when YOU helped convince me your rhetoric was bullshit after you told me to go die in the "pole shift" that never happened because I asked you a simple question for which you had no answer/excuse. Thanks for continuing to make us laugh though. We all look forward to seeing your growing list of excuses...just like your starchild Obama.

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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

About 1/4 down the page, just above the Costa Rica Plate Shift


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I wouldn't be surprised if she actually condones the behavior of that person.
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ZataBabble is always a guarantor for comedy:

Reply by Napa

Greetings Nancy and Zetas
With the upcoming annoncement from Obama and Nasa and also Earth held in its orbit and Planet X closeby, how can there be meteor Showers from Halley's Comet ? Is this preparing people for increases in meteor showers or Orionids from Halley's comet or planet x during October ?


Reply by Nancy Lieder

The answers would be no different than the last quote Derrick provided, which is that the matter is treated the same as Simulating the Seasons, etc. If the Element of Doubt is needed to reduce anxiety, a 'handful of dust' will be tossed by the Council of Worlds. If the announcement, still planned, includes admissions about the stalled orbit, which it is my understanding it will NOT, then the staged showers will not happen. But the announcement is not going to include an admission about the alien presence so admitting a stopped orbit would raise too many questions about how the SEASONS could be continued, and the only answer is ... benign aliens. I would thus expect your October meteor showers.


Thanks, Nancy, that we have the "Council of Worlds".

1rof1


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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LOL!! Some creative writer could make a sitcom for TV out of her stuff.
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LOL!! Some creative writer could make a sitcom for TV out of her stuff.
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nancy has been looking for years to get someone to just that- she seemed quite put out that hollywood was ignoring her `genius'

she's written a whole book and everything....
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LOL!! Some creative writer could make a sitcom for TV out of her stuff.
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nancy has been looking for years to get someone to just that- she seemed quite put out that hollywood was ignoring her `genius'

she's written a whole book and everything....
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It was *TERRIBLE.* At least the old treatment on her webpage was.
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Well, I don't think she was trying to peddle it as a sitcom. I think she was trying to push it as maybe a sci-fi movie or something. Either way, she was certainly having delusions of grandeur.

Wait...what am I saying. She's STILL having delusions of grandeur.
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LOL!! Some creative writer could make a sitcom for TV out of her stuff.
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nancy has been looking for years to get someone to just that- she seemed quite put out that hollywood was ignoring her `genius'

she's written a whole book and everything....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 25875652


It was *TERRIBLE.* At least the old treatment on her webpage was.
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nancy has been looking for years to get someone to just that- she seemed quite put out that hollywood was ignoring her `genius'
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anyone else see the pattern developing here re nancys desire to be a `hollywood star'????

;-)
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Well, I don't think she was trying to peddle it as a sitcom. I think she was trying to push it as maybe a sci-fi movie or something. Either way, she was certainly having delusions of grandeur.

Wait...what am I saying. She's STILL having delusions of grandeur.
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and `snap'

we have a winner....
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Hi all. Looks like I finally got unbanned. I see I missed something big- Astro's departure. Sad- truly sad. I hope he and Tbar will keep up the good work on Youboob, debunking the fear-mongering nonsense.
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Hiya Menow!

I'm still kicking IDW/AA around a bit on his Solar thread. Hope things are well!

I didn't realize Tbar had any Youtube stuff! I shall have to find it.
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Hi all. Looks like I finally got unbanned. I see I missed something big- Astro's departure. Sad- truly sad. I hope he and Tbar will keep up the good work on Youboob, debunking the fear-mongering nonsense.
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Hiya Menow!

I'm still kicking IDW/AA around a bit on his Solar thread. Hope things are well!

I didn't realize Tbar had any Youtube stuff! I shall have to find it.
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Yes, he does and it's fantastic! So Maxie isn't around any more? What happened at the end? Did he say anything or just disappear?
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He just went "POOF" and was gone like luser, freaky, elle and bridget. Hmmm.... Suppose he got fired too?
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Hi all. Looks like I finally got unbanned. I see I missed something big- Astro's departure. Sad- truly sad. I hope he and Tbar will keep up the good work on Youboob, debunking the fear-mongering nonsense.
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Hiya Menow!

I'm still kicking IDW/AA around a bit on his Solar thread. Hope things are well!

I didn't realize Tbar had any Youtube stuff! I shall have to find it.
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Yes, he does and it's fantastic! So Maxie isn't around any more? What happened at the end? Did he say anything or just disappear?
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His last post appears to be this one...

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 1102)

And poof is right. Maybe the Zetas finally picked him up?

Found Tbar's stuff, and it is really, really good. Thank you for the heads up.

IDW, in the meantime, has decided that I am an entire TEAM of agents, because no single person could have come up with the posts that shattered his cosmology.

Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED! (Page 334)

The fact that I'm a fairly average guy just doesn't compute in IDWlogic.

But, then, so little *DOES* compute in IDWlogic...
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WARNING:
1041thetruth.com is disinfo.
Pete Santilli is disinfo.
THERE IS HEAPS OF IT ON THE NET.



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They also function as honeypots and used for data mining purposes to identify and profile forum users.

Many trolls/shills/thread derailers on conspiracy sites will be spooks doing the work of their employers ~ USA/UK/Israel.

Some 'posters' are actually multiple identity chat bots controlled by humans.

The shills and sockpuppets are paid operatives who are most likely employed by private companies contracted by alphabet agencies to run black propaganda campaigns on conspiracy forums, some of which have been infiltrated and/or domains covertly purchased and completely taken over.

It's a major PSYOP aimed at internet users who are waking up.

Welcome to the CYBER WAR.

YOU are the enemy.


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Max must realize that his comments about Astro were in especially poor taste and that it's a stupid thing to post things that could be construed as support for a someone making threats on the internet. I think he's just laying low until it blows over. I for one am glad the thread isn't about him anymore. Don't miss him at all. I haven't seen volar around either lately.
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I see Nancy is still stretching out her announcement prediction. How many times can she take her believers to the very brink of solid proof of her claims and then pull the rug out from under them? She maintains a perpetual tease and they never figure it out- well, some of them do, but they cleanse her site of any comments from them and new sheep come along to take their place. There really could be a book written about the Zetatalk/PX hoax.
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A question for you*debunkers*. why do you feel it necessary? Popping on and off certain threads, peppering with scorn and ridicule as you go? Do you really believe that others have no discernment? That we are all gullible, stupid and unable to differentiate between fact and fiction? Surely this forum is for ,as it states, the lunatic fringe. The airing of ideas and theories that would otherwise go unsaid or unwritten. Giving an opposite opinion is one thing, asking for evidence of said theory another but why the desperate attempt to make another appear either insane, on medication or unintelligent? This really is a genuine question and I have no wish to offend, simply to understand. If you disagree with an idea why not just agree to do so? What pleasure can it give you scuttling back here to discuss your various attempts at undermining another? I hope that someone will answer this as this forum is great research for my thesis!! Lastly, I have to say that I have pretty mainstream beliefs but am willing to listen to anyone who, in their turn, believes that they have a valid argument. I may or may not agree but that isn't the issue. Free speech and free thinking, that is the issue!
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What do you care? This is a public forum.
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What do you care? This is a public forum.
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Aw come on now, a little explanation never hurt anyone.....
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A question for you*debunkers*.
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Sure.

why do you feel it necessary?
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Mis-information kills. A mis-informed public can make really bad decisions that affect all of us. Critical thinking should be encouraged. And, in some cases, pointing out said mis-information can, honestly, be entertaining as well.


Popping on and off certain threads, peppering with scorn and ridicule as you go?
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Interesting. What about scorn and ridicule peppered by the believers about the debunkers? For myself, I attempt to remain polite at all times.


Do you really believe that others have no discernment? That we are all gullible, stupid and unable to differentiate between fact and fiction?
 Quoting: Elemental


Intelligence, interestingly enough, has seemingly nothing to do with falling for particular fallacious patterns of thought. It is another quality, far more elusive. There have been plenty of highly intelligent people who have joined cults, or engage in self-destructive behavior.

And one must have *access* to the fact to discern it from fiction, too.


Surely this forum is for ,as it states, the lunatic fringe. The airing of ideas and theories that would otherwise go unsaid or unwritten.
 Quoting: Elemental


And, if you want something meaningful out of those ideas, they have to be examined critically. If they are just beliefs, that's fine, but that should be said up front. But as soon as they enter the realms of 'Solar Storms will kill ninety percent of us in 2012,' or 'PX has halted Earth in its orbit' we're in the realm of fact, and now we get to start *testing.* Why *not* examine those ideas critically, and respond with the results?

Why fear the opposing point of view, however mainstream?


Giving an opposite opinion is one thing, asking for evidence of said theory another but why the desperate attempt to make another appear either insane, on medication or unintelligent?
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I'm with you, here. I try, very carefully, to express disagreement with certain ideas, and rational means of testing those ideas, rather than with the person themselves. Interestingly, most purveyors of said ideas have become more and more clever about such testing. As an example: Nancy Lieder. She got bit, hard, because she put a definitive date on when her predictions would occur back in 2003. When they didn't, her cult was crippled for a time, but slowly came back with new members, and she now no longer puts definitive dates on anything. She has jumped on the 'soon' bandwagon, thus her cult has evolved to be a little more robust.

So, it is important that those newly exposed to her ideas understand precisely what and who they are getting involved with. But Nancy knows how detrimental her past mistakes are, so she hides them. Debunkers point out those hiding places.



This really is a genuine question and I have no wish to offend, simply to understand. If you disagree with an idea why not just agree to do so? What pleasure can it give you scuttling back here to discuss your various attempts at undermining another?
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Well, if you are talking about me and IDW, we do have quite a history, going back to about 2005. When I encountered him and his unique style, I engaged him most politely on a number of subjects that I am interested in. As you can imagine, his responses were, um, impolite. He bullied many a good poster, many whom I respected, and attempted to hound them off of GLP. I took it upon myself to start keeping track of what he claimed (this was largely due to a suggestion of his, when GLP ate my newly typed post, and he suggested Notepad). So, as a result, when he rears his head, I engage him -- and the way I engage him is by challenging his ideas. And he can't have that.

So IDW calls me names, and claims I am an entire team of government agents, and calls himself an astrophysicist despite not having the slightest idea what he is talking about, and meantime Astromut is hounded off the board, after helping the administrators build a *real* telescope that can teach *real* science, and posts real facts about the sky. Frankly, many people who contributed in similar positive ways aren't here anymore, and that's detrimental to all of us.

Sorry, I'm going to oppose IDW's kind of bullying balderdash, because every time it succeeds we all fail. The best way I know how to do that is to let people know whom they are dealing with, by pointing out exactly what he, himself, has written and claimed in the past, and why I know he is wrong, how little faith he has in his own ideas, and precise ways of falsifying those ideas.


I hope that someone will answer this as this forum is great research for my thesis!! Lastly, I have to say that I have pretty mainstream beliefs but am willing to listen to anyone who, in their turn, believes that they have a valid argument. I may or may not agree but that isn't the issue. Free speech and free thinking, that is the issue!
 Quoting: Elemental


I am with you here, again. But Nancy was famous for deleting said speech in her threads, and IDW has resorted to some of that same stuff, begging for moderators to delete posts off his thread, or his own bullying. And free thinking does need some form of validation, and so far the best tool we have for doing that is the tools of the scientific method. So you'll see me applying those now and again.

I hope this response has helped. Please feel free to ask more questions, if you wish.
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74444, thankyou! Just give me a couple of minutes to read & digest!
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Total agreement with 74444. If anyone reading here truly has an open mind, they will not be threatened by hearing all sides of an argument. It's called discussion, a great way to learn. Nancy and some of the posters here have a long history. We know her lies, we know where to point newcomers to her cult so that they can uncover these lies and make an informed decision. The debunkers are much more polite and tolerant than many of the people defending ideas that can be proven false. Just a few weeks ago, one of GLP's most valuable members received death threats. It was certainly not a debunker that did that. Nancy has viciously attacked and insulted all of the regular posters that started this thread. TLR, the OP has never resorted to the banning or censoring of anyone on this thread, unlike posters such as Nancy, IDW, Candace, to name a few, who can't tolerate anyone or anything that doesn't support their favorite idea, belief or delusion. I mainly check in on this thread, but if I see a thread talking about a subject that I know about, I will sometimes pop in and just lay down a post to provide another angle. I am often deleted and banned from woo woo threads, I only resort to ridicule when someone has already thrown insults my way, and I try to be polite. Debate interests me, but there is rarely any forthcoming from the supporters of bunk on this site.
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I really can't disagree with you 74444 and totally respect your aspect and opinion. As far as Nancy goes, fortunately (by the sound of it) I have very little knowledge; mainly because I once googled *pole shift* and ended up reading something upon which no one was allowed to post unless they fawningly agreed and asked questions *pertinent* enough to validate a response. My * argument* is simply that I don't understand the vehemence of some (and I stress the some) responses. This seems to be an intrinsic part of particular threads...they spiral down to nothing but name calling and outright rudeness; surely this is unnecessary. Just because someone is rude towards you doesn't mean that you have to lower yourself to that level and before you ask me for examples of your own behaviour, this isn't about you or any other particular person. It's inherent on every thread by a hundred different people (obviously that's a plucked out of the air number). I understand that you want to ensure that the more easily led don't take this forum too seriously and commend your intentions. Like I said, I only have respect for anyone with their own mind.
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Anyway, it's Saturday evening and I'm heading out for a meal,. Wishing you a happy weekend! Take care!
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A question for you*debunkers*. why do you feel it necessary? Popping on and off certain threads, peppering with scorn and ridicule as you go? Do you really believe that others have no discernment? That we are all gullible, stupid and unable to differentiate between fact and fiction? Surely this forum is for ,as it states, the lunatic fringe. The airing of ideas and theories that would otherwise go unsaid or unwritten. Giving an opposite opinion is one thing, asking for evidence of said theory another but why the desperate attempt to make another appear either insane, on medication or unintelligent? This really is a genuine question and I have no wish to offend, simply to understand. If you disagree with an idea why not just agree to do so? What pleasure can it give you scuttling back here to discuss your various attempts at undermining another? I hope that someone will answer this as this forum is great research for my thesis!! Lastly, I have to say that I have pretty mainstream beliefs but am willing to listen to anyone who, in their turn, believes that they have a valid argument. I may or may not agree but that isn't the issue. Free speech and free thinking, that is the issue!
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It's interesting that you're doing the same thing and NO you saying it's only for knowledge doesn't make it any different.
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A question for you*debunkers*. why do you feel it necessary? Popping on and off certain threads, peppering with scorn and ridicule as you go?
 Quoting: Elemental


Common misrepresentation- that debunkers ONLY ridicule. Simply not true.

Do you really believe that others have no discernment? That we are all gullible, stupid and unable to differentiate between fact and fiction?
 Quoting: Elemental


Case in point: Many people still seem to steadfastly believe that there is a rogue planet hovering near the sun; that we never went to the Moon; that the sun/moon are in the wrong places in the sky and that 'chemtrails' are constantly being spewed from airliners. Nuff said.

Surely this forum is for ,as it states, the lunatic fringe. The airing of ideas and theories that would otherwise go unsaid or unwritten. Giving an opposite opinion is one thing, asking for evidence of said theory another
 Quoting: Elemental


And that is primarily what is done, first and foremost. Your implication that it is not, is false.

but why the desperate attempt to make another appear either insane, on medication or unintelligent?
 Quoting: Elemental


"Desperate"? There is nothing desperate about it. When the person cannot or will not present any concrete evidence to support his beliefs, yet continues to profess it as "truth" in the face of all evidence to the contrary, one is left with few conclusions other than the ones you mentioned.

This really is a genuine question and I have no wish to offend, simply to understand.
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Your "genuine question" relies on a misrepresentation of debunker actions and attitudes. People have tried, for YEARS, to provide polite, fact-filled, debate of the "theories" presented here. The responses are so obtuse and nonsensical as to be indistinguishable from trolling. That should say something about the caliber of the arguments.

If you disagree with an idea why not just agree to do so?
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Because of the clear absurdity and lack of evidence being presented. There is no real argument as to whether there is a rogue planet hovering near the sun for the last decade which can only be imaged in cheap cameras. Still- the promoters of this "theory" maintain that no one has proven such a thing not to exist. Let me also mention the damage being done in people's lives due to such hoaxes.

What pleasure can it give you scuttling
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"Scuttling"? Your language shows an agenda behind your question, which is not "genuine" at all.


back here to discuss your various attempts at undermining another?
 Quoting: Elemental


What is being "undermined" is damnable HOAXES! I'm proud to be a part of debunking such things.

I hope that someone will answer this as this forum is great research for my thesis!!
 Quoting: Elemental


This question has been answered a hundred times or more, by now.

Lastly, I have to say that I have pretty mainstream beliefs but am willing to listen to anyone who, in their turn, believes that they have a valid argument.
 Quoting: Elemental


"BELIEVES" they have a valid argument? You don't assess their argument for validity? You think ALL arguments are equal? That speaks volumes about your ability to discern.

I may or may not agree but that isn't the issue. Free speech and free thinking, that is the issue!
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You seem unable to tell the difference between censorship and rightly telling someone they are full of shit. By the way, are you so green you don't understand that the promoters of these various hoaxes are the ones who intentionally censor? Give me a break!
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
A question for you*debunkers*. why do you feel it necessary? Popping on and off certain threads, peppering with scorn and ridicule as you go? Do you really believe that others have no discernment? That we are all gullible, stupid and unable to differentiate between fact and fiction? Surely this forum is for ,as it states, the lunatic fringe. The airing of ideas and theories that would otherwise go unsaid or unwritten. Giving an opposite opinion is one thing, asking for evidence of said theory another but why the desperate attempt to make another appear either insane, on medication or unintelligent? This really is a genuine question and I have no wish to offend, simply to understand. If you disagree with an idea why not just agree to do so? What pleasure can it give you scuttling back here to discuss your various attempts at undermining another? I hope that someone will answer this as this forum is great research for my thesis!! Lastly, I have to say that I have pretty mainstream beliefs but am willing to listen to anyone who, in their turn, believes that they have a valid argument. I may or may not agree but that isn't the issue. Free speech and free thinking, that is the issue!
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By the way, I DARE you to attempt to go on the poleshift ning and ask why they don't allow ANY dissenting opinions to be posted there.
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I really can't disagree with you 74444 and totally respect your aspect and opinion.
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Thank you.

As far as Nancy goes, fortunately (by the sound of it) I have very little knowledge; mainly because I once googled *pole shift* and ended up reading something upon which no one was allowed to post unless they fawningly agreed and asked questions *pertinent* enough to validate a response.
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Ah, you have beheld the Ning! What is interesting to me is the evolution that brought the Ning about -- which basically showed that the Zetatalk idea went from knowledge seeking to knowledge confirming to confirming what the Leader believes to Leader is never wrong. If you are interested in events like this, you should look for the book "When Prophecy Fails" by Festinger. It is fascinating.


My * argument* is simply that I don't understand the vehemence of some (and I stress the some) responses.
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I can understand such vehemence, if not agree with it and try not to engage in such behavior myself. IDW and Nancy both attempt to take the argument to truly personal levels, and sometimes it is difficult to not drag one's self to the same level. Though I think I have done a fairly consistent job.

I was taught early that the ideas I hold are not *me.* And to be willing to change my ideas, but not easily, and with evidence. I *always* have a set of "goalposts" for any given idea that, if met, will force me to change my idea. But that idea isn't *who I am.*

Nancy and IDW *could* convince me that they are correct. But Nancy would have to completely explain how GOTO telescopes are adapting to an unpredictably moving Earth, and IDW would have to show all those calculations that he's claimed to have made step by step. Neither seem likely to do this anytime soon, so my contrary ideas stand.

This seems to be an intrinsic part of particular threads...they spiral down to nothing but name calling and outright rudeness; surely this is unnecessary.
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Agreed.


Just because someone is rude towards you doesn't mean that you have to lower yourself to that level...
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Agreed again.

and before you ask me for examples of your own behaviour, this isn't about you or any other particular person.
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Didn't think it was. I understand your point. One of the things I think drives IDW the most crazy about me is that I *don't* stoop to his level, and moreover *don't care if he does.* I learned a long time ago that personal attacks by other posters have precisely as much damage as I allow them to have. Why should I take any such attacks seriously?

So when he calls me agent, or drunk, or a shill, or stupid, or a Nazi, or whatever, I take that to mean that he can't address my actual *points.* Witness how I provided links and sources demolishing his 'no photon' theories -- which, three months hence, he will claim as some kind of 'victory,' despite solid experimental verification.

Any rational person looking over the conversation will arrive at the same conclusion I have alluded to. The irrational will not, but there's nothing I can do about that, anyway.

It's inherent on every thread by a hundred different people (obviously that's a plucked out of the air number). I understand that you want to ensure that the more easily led don't take this forum too seriously and commend your intentions. Like I said, I only have respect for anyone with their own mind.
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Understood. As I have been personally affected by those 'easily led,' my actions are not without some small self-serving element: I would like more critical thinking people out there, and less woo, as I think it moves our species forward, however slowly. In terms of my *particular* windmills, that has meant engaging Nancy and IDW exclusively on a single message board, although IDW seems convinced that I (or a team of me) have been pursuing him from board to board since three or four years before I even knew he existed.

Anyway, it's Saturday evening and I'm heading out for a meal,. Wishing you a happy weekend! Take care!
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You, too.


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