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What pleasure can it give you scuttling back here to discuss your various attempts at undermining another?
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"Scuttling back here". That word alone exposes your agenda and preconceived notions. Your question is not genuine at all, IMO.
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Besides that this thread is not about undermining another. Here are simply people who love the truth and who wont accept categoric liars, as for example Nancy Lieder, who tries to abuse und manipulate people by inventing some scary planets and odd fantasy stories that led directly into a strange cult.

Some people have to show the truth as it is mostly censored on the pages of cults and sects like Zetatalk. On such pages there is no discussion because even their basics are lies.
There is no Nibiru and there will never be a Nibiru in the inner solar system, what is a proven astronomic fact.

So Nancy Lieder and her brainwashed followers act pretty much like in a car without wheels. They try to convince each other that the car is driving and gaining speed, but of course it does not move. So they tell each other that the car moves, make pictures behind old floppy-discs to simulate artificial movement and so on. It is necessary that some people debunk lies and gurus who try to make money with them.

And of course this is a public forum so everybody is free to write his oppinion. It is strange that some cults who complain so much about a coper-up or censorship are the worst censores themselves trying to exstinguish and block the truth as much as they can.
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Everything that everybody says is all lies. NONE of it is true.
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Everything that everybody says is all lies. NONE of it is true.
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LIAR!
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If Obama wants to ensure a second term as President, he better make an announcement about "Planet X" at tonight's debate. Since the topic tonight is about foreign policy, Obamba can claim he's had diplomatic relations with the "Zetas" through Nancy and they have given him all the information he needs to know about "Planet X" - except for when it will actually cause the "pole shift" of course.

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Before that happens Obama will proudly announce that he gets the next pope ... ;)banana2
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I see on the ning that our dear friend Flareberto has upgraded his camera to something a little more modern (if you can call a few year old digital camera modern).

He's now using an older Panasonic 6mp but makes the stupid mistake of adding even more filters in front of the lens. A UV filter, two 'red' filters and an ND8 (neutral density) filter.

Doesn't he realize that the goal is to have the fewest additional elements in front of the lens? Doesn't he realize that the more surfaces you put in front of the lens further degrades the image and increases the possibility of introducing lens flares? Obviously not.

Of course, Nancy makes a new pronouncement claiming that this combination shows planet eX and it's moons...hah!

"I combined these two photos into one blog for Alberto. It seems the Sting of Pearls we were seeing last week, in Alberto's photos and those from Spain, have disappeared and now we are seeing a singular clump! This while reports or red rain from Sweden and the Sahara are reported, or anticipated red rain. I wonder if the tail is pointing so directly at the Earth at present that is appears to us as a CLUMP?"

Jeez louise.
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Just don't ask Nancy why none of this can be seen with the naked eye. If that shit was really there, I should be able to see it just glancing in the general direction of the sun.

Also, don't point out the hundreds of photos on the Internet that show absolutely nothing near the sun - facts and logic mean nothing to Nancy and the walking dead.
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I see on the ning that our dear friend Flareberto has upgraded his camera to something a little more modern (if you can call a few year old digital camera modern).

He's now using an older Panasonic 6mp but makes the stupid mistake of adding even more filters in front of the lens. A UV filter, two 'red' filters and an ND8 (neutral density) filter.

Doesn't he realize that the goal is to have the fewest additional elements in front of the lens? Doesn't he realize that the more surfaces you put in front of the lens further degrades the image and increases the possibility of introducing lens flares? Obviously not.

Of course, Nancy makes a new pronouncement claiming that this combination shows planet eX and it's moons...hah!

"I combined these two photos into one blog for Alberto. It seems the Sting of Pearls we were seeing last week, in Alberto's photos and those from Spain, have disappeared and now we are seeing a singular clump! This while reports or red rain from Sweden and the Sahara are reported, or anticipated red rain. I wonder if the tail is pointing so directly at the Earth at present that is appears to us as a CLUMP?"

Jeez louise.
 Quoting: bob_909

The older Panasonic seems to be quite good: A UV filter, two red filters, a ND8 and still no "Planet X".

Is this the reaseon why the klick on "Continue" leads to a 404: "Our apologies – this page was not found"?
LOL


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Why don't any of these supposed huge objects transit and block any part of the Sun? We've seen Mercury and Venus do it, very clearly, but not a single moon or swirl or PX itself has ever done that. And it's been by the Sun for HOW long now?
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Why don't any of these supposed huge objects transit and block any part of the Sun?
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... because these lense flares only exist in the fantasy of crazy Nancy Lieder and some of here weird followers as real objects. It`s easy like that.
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lol. I just took a peek at the woo-woo-gang and it seems Nancy is bit concerned that her believers don't buy into the lenseflares anymore.

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by Nancy Lieder yesterday

Here are some snaps. Note the orbs IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SUN do not move. DO NOT MOVE. The cameraman moves the cam to the side, up and down, to creates a lens flare movement. But the orbs RELATIVE TO THE SUN do not move. You can see this by looking at the objects in relationship to the bar at the bottom. I can't believe you people cannot see this! I am most astonished that Steve cannot see this.


I am not suprised that Steve can't see it...
Btw... did Nancy forgot that these floppie flares only remain in the same distance vs each other long as you keep the angle between camera and floppy the same?
[link to www.youtube.com]

Oh right. Nancy is not interested in factual info... but planting precast opinions in weak minds is something she obviously likes.
(Is Granma scared of loosing her face/funds?)

Then this one,

Comment by Nancy Lieder 12 hours ago

@S.K.
Keep an eye out, folks, for these sleeper debunkers who are waiting for an opportunity to gang up on what is obvious. They know that the Planet X complex is more obvious these days, and are frantic to persuade you that what you eye sees is NOT what is there. As they say 'who you going to believe? Them or your lying eyes?"



In other words: Who are you going to believe? Your own lying eyes or Alberto's floppy images!! afro

Biaa, biaaa.
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If it was as obvious as Nancy claims - millions of people would be talking about it. But don't bother her with facts and logic. They have no place in Fantasyland.
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Hmmm...Max has been gone for quite a while. I do hope he's okay. He may be a shill, but that doesn't mean I want to see harm come to him. That's where "debunkers" and Nancy shills are different - they're constantly hoping "debunkers" meet a painful end.
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He just doesn't want to owe TLR any more dough.

In all seriousness, I hope he is all right too, though honestly I don't miss him much on the thread.
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My membership was refunded and I was permanently banned. No explanation, but I have to infer it was my comments about a.s.t.r.o. I have joined DrPostman in the great GLP in the sky ...

Thanks for your concern - reserved as I'm sure it is ... peace
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Hey every one. I have some great stuff for you. Where is tunnel vision he will love this and needs to add it to his doc

read the comments etc on this clip. Its great. Im not saying zetas wrong, but certainly Nancy wrong.



In the video Nancy claims moon swirls but the person who made the video has reproduced it and debunked since. As much as i don't like the posters in this thread u may appreciate this.
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Also interesting the timing that the two main shills left... Astro and ZetaMax both leave with in weeks

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A question for you*debunkers*. why do you feel it necessary? Popping on and off certain threads, peppering with scorn and ridicule as you go? Do you really believe that others have no discernment? That we are all gullible, stupid and unable to differentiate between fact and fiction? Surely this forum is for ,as it states, the lunatic fringe. The airing of ideas and theories that would otherwise go unsaid or unwritten. Giving an opposite opinion is one thing, asking for evidence of said theory another but why the desperate attempt to make another appear either insane, on medication or unintelligent? This really is a genuine question and I have no wish to offend, simply to understand. If you disagree with an idea why not just agree to do so? What pleasure can it give you scuttling back here to discuss your various attempts at undermining another? I hope that someone will answer this as this forum is great research for my thesis!! Lastly, I have to say that I have pretty mainstream beliefs but am willing to listen to anyone who, in their turn, believes that they have a valid argument. I may or may not agree but that isn't the issue. Free speech and free thinking, that is the issue!
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By the way, I DARE you to attempt to go on the poleshift ning and ask why they don't allow ANY dissenting opinions to be posted there.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


damn i thought u have left for better pasture...
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Also interesting the timing that the two main shills left... Astro and ZetaMax both leave with in weeks

shill
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ZM was a shill - he would make claims and provide no evidence. Astro was not - he would make claims and then present supporting evidence. Big difference.
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Hey every one. I have some great stuff for you. Where is tunnel vision he will love this and needs to add it to his doc

read the comments etc on this clip. Its great. Im not saying zetas wrong, but certainly Nancy wrong.



In the video Nancy claims moon swirls but the person who made the video has reproduced it and debunked since. As much as i don't like the posters in this thread u may appreciate this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26198559

Thanks for the info - probably will make something of it today or tomorrow.

Btw - are you the guy who questioned the orbs at 11 and 12 o'clock?
Ning-post first answered quite rude by Poleshit-Nancy, then the post was deleted (but she forgot to delete her answer :) ) and the guy was kicked.
Hours later she altered her answer too.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Yeah, funny how those things aren't visible when the sun is viewed through a properly filtered camera. Why don't any of those "moon swirls" show up in this photograph?

[link to idahofotos.wordpress.com] - taken September 14, 2012.

Scroll almost to the bottom to see the photo in question.

Then there's this:

[link to www.billsphotooftheday.com] - taken October 11, 2012.

zwrong2

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Then there's this:

[link to www.billsphotooftheday.com] - taken October 11, 2012.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

That's proof, a second sun is out there:
It sets prior to the sun and is already below the horizon in the photo.


At least according to the Nibitard logic. LOL


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Hey every one. I have some great stuff for you. Where is tunnel vision he will love this and needs to add it to his doc

read the comments etc on this clip. Its great. Im not saying zetas wrong, but certainly Nancy wrong.



In the video Nancy claims moon swirls but the person who made the video has reproduced it and debunked since. As much as i don't like the posters in this thread u may appreciate this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26198559

Thanks for the info - probably will make something of it today or tomorrow.

Btw - are you the guy who questioned the orbs at 11 and 12 o'clock?
Ning-post first answered quite rude by Poleshit-Nancy, then the post was deleted (but she forgot to delete her answer :) ) and the guy was kicked.
Hours later she altered her answer too.


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 Quoting: Hydra


Wow. Thats gold. Thanks AC-26198559 and Hydra for adressing it soon....

I might include it all into the doc. :)

Seems Nancy is slowly getting what she deserves...

Cheers everyone,
and have a good weekend. hf
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Hours later she altered her answer too.


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but the zetas are never wrong!!!!

so why would nancy LIEder be altering her answer???

she wouldn't be caught out LIEing (spelling wrong I know- but it makes more of a point this way LOL)

nancy LIEder- LIEing again
how many lies does it make this month nancy???

doesn't it make it sick to your stomach to be so `STS' as you would put it nancy???

how many teenagers will you kill this month nancy??

hope its all worth it nancy...

we all see what you are doing- and it makes me personally sick to see greed like yours put above peoples safety...

the safest zone would be anywhere but where zetababble says- LIErs LIE dont they nancy LIEder???

she should know after all....
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Hours later she altered her answer too.


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 Quoting: Hydra


but the zetas are never wrong!!!!

so why would nancy LIEder be altering her answer???

she wouldn't be caught out LIEing (spelling wrong I know- but it makes more of a point this way LOL)

nancy LIEder- LIEing again
how many lies does it make this month nancy???

doesn't it make it sick to your stomach to be so `STS' as you would put it nancy???

how many teenagers will you kill this month nancy??

hope its all worth it nancy...

we all see what you are doing- and it makes me personally sick to see greed like yours put above peoples safety...

the safest zone would be anywhere but where zetababble says- LIErs LIE dont they nancy LIEder???

she should know after all....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 26327162


Indeed.

Her personal location is pretty easy to find out....

Although, why would someone want anything happen to her since she is doing such a "caring" service for others?

hah. I'd better watch out if I'd be her....

Some people are very sensitive when it goes to someone else destroying their life.

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Indeed.

Her personal location is pretty easy to find out....

Although, why would someone want anything happen to her since she is doing such a "caring" service for others?

hah. I'd better watch out if I'd be her....

Some people are very sensitive when it goes to someone else destroying their life.

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Unfortunately indeed not every victim has the option of turning and running anymore even..

Isabel doesnt have many options at all- her being dead and all


(apologises to any this may seem callous to- I in no way wish to offend anyone who knew her or people like her whose lives were destroyed by charlatans like nancy with this post- I only wish to show the people like nancy LIEder who abused her trust in `adults' in their worst possible light...)

if it offends nancy LIEder- tough titty bitch- you deserve everything you get in this life

I don't believe in karma or other lives- but in your case- I sincerely hope they exist- and you live them all out with the karma you truly deserve....

a dung beetle would be appropriate...

nah- too good for nancy....
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What pleasure can it give you scuttling back here to discuss your various attempts at undermining another?
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"Scuttling back here". That word alone exposes your agenda and preconceived notions. Your question is not genuine at all, IMO.
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I'm sorry, *scuttling* was a rude word and unwarranted! It does sort of *trip off the tongue* though!
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Unfortunately indeed not every victim has the option of turning and running anymore even..

Isabel doesnt have many options at all- her being dead and all


(apologises to any this may seem callous to- I in no way wish to offend anyone who knew her or people like her whose lives were destroyed by charlatans like nancy with this post- I only wish to show the people like nancy LIEder who abused her trust in `adults' in their worst possible light...)

if it offends nancy LIEder- tough titty bitch- you deserve everything you get in this life

I don't believe in karma or other lives- but in your case- I sincerely hope they exist- and you live them all out with the karma you truly deserve....

a dung beetle would be appropriate...

nah- too good for nancy....
 Quoting: aussie 763624 26327162


"a dung beetle would be appropriate..." - and for every site she put up onto ZT she'd need to carry 1 gram of shi .

That'd be more than 40 kilograms / 88 pounds already!!
dead3
lol.

Just kiddin..
I however do (in some regard) believe in Karma, but Id more call it causality.

Punch someone and you might get punched back.

In Nancy terms: A horde of people rattling at your door... as a magnitude 1 in terms of other possible outcomes.

Exagerrated? Who knows... a lot of damage has been done and the lying continues.
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By the way, I DARE you to attempt to go on the poleshift ning and ask why they don't allow ANY dissenting opinions to be posted there.


I did!! Every post was either deleted or not posted....bloody hilarious! Have a wonderful weekend!
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By the way, I DARE you to attempt to go on the poleshift ning and ask why they don't allow ANY dissenting opinions to be posted there.
 Quoting: Elemental


I did!! Every post was either deleted or not posted....bloody hilarious! Have a wonderful weekend!


After having looked in on the Ning, and given my earlier posts, do you have any observations? I am curious.
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By the way, I DARE you to attempt to go on the poleshift ning and ask why they don't allow ANY dissenting opinions to be posted there.
 Quoting: Elemental


I did!! Every post was either deleted or not posted....bloody hilarious! Have a wonderful weekend!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


After having looked in on the Ning, and given my earlier posts, do you have any observations? I am curious.


Hmmm....well let's start with the *glorious* leader, Nancy.......delusions of grandeur combined with a pathological desire to scare the living daylights out of the more easily led, therefore becoming some sort of self appointed *god* (I use that word in it's most loose of meanings) who is going to save her believers. Her followers? I really don't know; perhaps they look for something, anything that negates their mortality and inspires a misplaced sense of belonging (to a *group*) therefore giving a sense of protection...a wild guess. The website is geared toward the feeble minded ( I mean no disrespect) no comments or questions allowed unless pre-monitored ( that in itself is evidence of a lack of honesty ). And yes, thankyou, I've just answered most of my own questions lol! I do appreciate the discussion 74444!
As for AA, as I've said before, on his thread I think, I don't know, or really care, whether he's right or wrong. Most of us have lives, GLP is a happy diversion from everyday mundanity, a bit of harmless escapism taken with a bucketload of salt. That's what the forum is about, or so I took it. I do now realise that not everyone thinks this way.......and thankyou for pointing that out.


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