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Does this thread hate only on Nancy or on the whole idea of the earth changes completely?
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Earth changes is too broad. Nancy is certainly wrong. Niburu, PX, and December 2012 doom appear wrong as well.
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She claims it was allowed to happen by the Zetas/Council of Worlds to give the human race a pretaste. How crazy is this bullshit. Do the storms on earth have to ask for a permission?

 Quoting: Truther 26701635


Just like Hurricane Katrina, seven years ago, was supposed to be a taste of things to come when "Planet X" would cause a "pole shift" BEFORE 2012.

I've decided that a great number of the "supporters" she has on the ning are either 1) sock puppets/alter egos or 2) people who are just playing with her and feeding her delusion.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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I often thought the same, Circuit.

She has definitely some sock puppets or alter egos running in her mind game to convince other newcomers who are not informed about her sect/ cult.

Her page doesn`t have any real informations, only wrong ones, and who should believe this nonsense if there were not some alter egos confirming that soup of shit?

Did anybody notice that Astrogirl50 suddenly disappeared after we talked about her here? She has another nick now and probably she is either Nancy herself or Gerard the "dumbster" Zwaan. He is a really poor and weird guy whose biggest idol seems to be Ahmadinejad from Iran. This whole page is incredible. And I can not imagine that this Flareberto is real. He probably was born in a smartphone with some lenseshift.

But there were even some good guys in this spider net, like COS, who is going after her now. Even the German Zetatalk page had to be closed, but the former owner Niels Neumann is left outside now alone as a poor victim, both mentally and physically. His former sect brothers and sisters are ignoring him now as he is not interesting anymore for crazy Nancy and her bunch of poleshit. Who led the dogs out?

Oops, they have been eaten by crazy Nancy and her last weird followers!
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She claims it was allowed to happen by the Zetas/Council of Worlds to give the human race a pretaste. How crazy is this bullshit. Do the storms on earth have to ask for a permission?

 Quoting: Truther 26701635


Just like Hurricane Katrina, seven years ago, was supposed to be a taste of things to come when "Planet X" would cause a "pole shift" BEFORE 2012.

I've decided that a great number of the "supporters" she has on the ning are either 1) sock puppets/alter egos or 2) people who are just playing with her and feeding her delusion.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Just look upon it as an alternative news source, or even as a nice horror story if u prefer. By ranting about it your only giving your power to the ning, like they say any publicity is good publicity!! I don't know about u but im still going to make some preparations like a big ole medical kit and seeds, etc. Because the world aint improving poleshift or not. economically, seismically, volcanically, socially, weather wise things aren't looking too flash.
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She claims it was allowed to happen by the Zetas/Council of Worlds to give the human race a pretaste. How crazy is this bullshit. Do the storms on earth have to ask for a permission?

 Quoting: Truther 26701635


Just like Hurricane Katrina, seven years ago, was supposed to be a taste of things to come when "Planet X" would cause a "pole shift" BEFORE 2012.

I've decided that a great number of the "supporters" she has on the ning are either 1) sock puppets/alter egos or 2) people who are just playing with her and feeding her delusion.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Agreed. I think the rate would be somewhat 99 / 1 .

I think the following describes it pretty acurate:

"At one end of the continuum lies a soundly asleep citizen, confident in the idea that there is no need to worry about anything, that things are unfolding “normally” in the world as a whole, and that alarming hypotheses, regardless of whether they pertain to fears of war, ecological or monetary disasters, are nothing but rumors about which one should not fret.

At the other end of the continuum is a citizen who ingests every single alarming bit of information as forecasting disaster, in whatever domain, and who shelters himself in a self-constructed personal bunker."

[link to www.jp-petit.org]

(off-topic: JP-Petit offered some very interesting work in the MHD(MagnetoHydroDynamics)-field to eliminate "shockwaves", furthermore allow HyperSonic flight..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.jp-petit2.org] )

Back the ZT-victims.
I think everyone who landed there is more aware about the situation on earth than the common couch potatoes who're being indoctrinated daily. However the result with many of these "truth-seekers" is that they totally overmeet their goals and end up in illusions that best fit to their beliefs.
At some point someone becomes over-alerted about hidden agendas, disasters, conspiracies and the REAL situation on earth - that it is somewhat human that some stick their head in the sand and by clinging to the most comfortable version they found.

Regarding those who're left.. they truely are the "hardcore-believers". It can be assumed that most of them have heavily structured their lifes around the particular belief. Accordingly, they're not ready for a hard awakening yet... or at least they're subconsciously avoiding it.
Understandable... Everyone to its own time.

I often thought the same, Circuit.

She has definitely some sock puppets or alter egos running in her mind game to convince other newcomers who are not informed about her sect/ cult.

Her page doesn`t have any real informations, only wrong ones, and who should believe this nonsense if there were not some alter egos confirming that soup of shit?
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


Yes it is saddening that critique is not allowed in any manner which make it impossible to have transparency and giving the newbies a chance for other points of view.
Its an insta-trip into a dictatorial sect with "nifty" youtube videos, interactive maps and the daily updated FearHype-ning.

Did anybody notice that Astrogirl50 suddenly disappeared after we talked about her here? She has another nick now and probably she is either Nancy herself or Gerard the "dumbster" Zwaan. He is a really poor and weird guy whose biggest idol seems to be Ahmadinejad from Iran. This whole page is incredible. And I can not imagine that this Flareberto is real. He probably was born in a smartphone with some lenseshift.
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


Yep, gal has become silent and is now active under the alias "Ann S.".... [link to poleshift.ning.com]
Still being super-confident about the Great Cover-Up and Planet X... violin

But there were even some good guys in this spider net, like COS, who is going after her now. Even the German Zetatalk page had to be closed, but the former owner Niels Neumann is left outside now alone as a poor victim, both mentally and physically. His former sect brothers and sisters are ignoring him now as he is not interesting anymore for crazy Nancy and her bunch of poleshit. Who led the dogs out?

Oops, they have been eaten by crazy Nancy and her last weird followers!
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


High-five mate!
To be honest, im glad that I was there... because it seemed I could fill a niché for that time aswell. :) Who knows who'll write the next expose? They occured since the beginning of ZT.... and yet most of it is lost in the jungle of information so it will occur again.. and then the true "separation" of the individuals occurs. Poleshift-time! For me it was a 180° turn!
sfan

lol. Cheers.
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Did anybody notice that Astrogirl50 suddenly disappeared after we talked about her here? She has another nick now and probably she is either Nancy herself or Gerard the "dumbster" Zwaan. He is a really poor and weird guy whose biggest idol seems to be Ahmadinejad from Iran. This whole page is incredible. And I can not imagine that this Flareberto is real. He probably was born in a smartphone with some lenseshift.
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


Yep, gal has become silent and is now active under the alias "Ann S.".... [link to poleshift.ning.com]
Still being super-confident about the Great Cover-Up and Planet X... violin


 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 26807788


I've been curious about her as a true true-believer -- and having a conversation with her to find out if there is *any* rational evidence that could change her mind, and then her justifications when there isn't. It would be interesting to pick her brain, I would think...
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She claims it was allowed to happen by the Zetas/Council of Worlds to give the human race a pretaste. How crazy is this bullshit. Do the storms on earth have to ask for a permission?

 Quoting: Truther 26701635


Just like Hurricane Katrina, seven years ago, was supposed to be a taste of things to come when "Planet X" would cause a "pole shift" BEFORE 2012.

I've decided that a great number of the "supporters" she has on the ning are either 1) sock puppets/alter egos or 2) people who are just playing with her and feeding her delusion.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Agreed. I think the rate would be somewhat 99 / 1 .

I think the following describes it pretty acurate:

"At one end of the continuum lies a soundly asleep citizen, confident in the idea that there is no need to worry about anything, that things are unfolding “normally” in the world as a whole, and that alarming hypotheses, regardless of whether they pertain to fears of war, ecological or monetary disasters, are nothing but rumors about which one should not fret.

At the other end of the continuum is a citizen who ingests every single alarming bit of information as forecasting disaster, in whatever domain, and who shelters himself in a self-constructed personal bunker."

[link to www.jp-petit.org]

(off-topic: JP-Petit offered some very interesting work in the MHD(MagnetoHydroDynamics)-field to eliminate "shockwaves", furthermore allow HyperSonic flight..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.jp-petit2.org] )

Back the ZT-victims.
I think everyone who landed there is more aware about the situation on earth than the common couch potatoes who're being indoctrinated daily. However the result with many of these "truth-seekers" is that they totally overmeet their goals and end up in illusions that best fit to their beliefs.
At some point someone becomes over-alerted about hidden agendas, disasters, conspiracies and the REAL situation on earth - that it is somewhat human that some stick their head in the sand and by clinging to the most comfortable version they found.

Regarding those who're left.. they truely are the "hardcore-believers". It can be assumed that most of them have heavily structured their lifes around the particular belief. Accordingly, they're not ready for a hard awakening yet... or at least they're subconsciously avoiding it.
Understandable... Everyone to its own time.

I often thought the same, Circuit.

She has definitely some sock puppets or alter egos running in her mind game to convince other newcomers who are not informed about her sect/ cult.

Her page doesn`t have any real informations, only wrong ones, and who should believe this nonsense if there were not some alter egos confirming that soup of shit?
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


Yes it is saddening that critique is not allowed in any manner which make it impossible to have transparency and giving the newbies a chance for other points of view.
Its an insta-trip into a dictatorial sect with "nifty" youtube videos, interactive maps and the daily updated FearHype-ning.

Did anybody notice that Astrogirl50 suddenly disappeared after we talked about her here? She has another nick now and probably she is either Nancy herself or Gerard the "dumbster" Zwaan. He is a really poor and weird guy whose biggest idol seems to be Ahmadinejad from Iran. This whole page is incredible. And I can not imagine that this Flareberto is real. He probably was born in a smartphone with some lenseshift.
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


Yep, gal has become silent and is now active under the alias "Ann S.".... [link to poleshift.ning.com]
Still being super-confident about the Great Cover-Up and Planet X... violin

But there were even some good guys in this spider net, like COS, who is going after her now. Even the German Zetatalk page had to be closed, but the former owner Niels Neumann is left outside now alone as a poor victim, both mentally and physically. His former sect brothers and sisters are ignoring him now as he is not interesting anymore for crazy Nancy and her bunch of poleshit. Who led the dogs out?

Oops, they have been eaten by crazy Nancy and her last weird followers!
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


High-five mate!
To be honest, im glad that I was there... because it seemed I could fill a niché for that time aswell. :) Who knows who'll write the next expose? They occured since the beginning of ZT.... and yet most of it is lost in the jungle of information so it will occur again.. and then the true "separation" of the individuals occurs. Poleshift-time! For me it was a 180° turn!
sfan

lol. Cheers.
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 26807788


Insightful...

In your opinion is Nancy any more than a deluded old woman, as I know u don't think shes an alien contactee. Is it possible she is government employed or do u think shes just more of a heavens gate type cult leader?

Are u not ashamed of the role you played there? seems to me you were too smart for some of the lies there considering it was u who noticed the changes in zetatalk but do u really discredit it all considering u made animations of the dark twin, etc. Do you now discredit the notion of alien contact and "the call" as outlined in zetatalk?

any answers from u would be much appreciated as u strike me as a scientific individual.
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Nancy is getting dottier with the years that go by, but she is in no way delusional. She knows exactly what she is doing, though the motivation has changed. In the beginning she ran a bogus non profit and used the proceeds to establish the ZetaTalk headquarters in her residence. As I understand it, she inherited an old farmhouse, quit her job and fixed the house up. Back then she had lots of projects like a worm bed, seed garden and plans for a radio project (which people donated towards and which was never built). She had donations coming in, she was doing radio like C2C on a regular basis, she was selling cds and "survival guides" (lots of lol comedy there). Then the 2003 pole shift never happened, and the white lie happened. A lot of her followers realized it was all bogus and she has been trying to keep the cult alive ever since, starting her "live chat" here, and when the heat got to much for her, she went to the ning where she rules supreme. Donations are almost non existent now, at least that's what she says. So why does she keep it up? She likes the notoriety, she needs to feel important. I have watched how followers come and go. Freestore, Max, Burkettgirl, Agnes, volar, Luser, bridget, Wankdrew, elle, Soledad, etc. Where are they now? Did they realize it's a scam and move on or did they just change identities to make it seem like there are actually followers to attract newbies that don't know the sordid history of Nancy and her imaginary starburst aliens.
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Insightful...

In your opinion is Nancy any more than a deluded old woman, as I know u don't think shes an alien contactee. Is it possible she is government employed or do u think shes just more of a heavens gate type cult leader?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26198559


I must agree with what AC 10422385 just said.... Nancy is fully aware of her motives and the damage she's doing.

No, I dont think she's government employed nor that she's spreading "CIA disinfo" on purpose.

I think she's just one of those selfish types of people who noticed the potential of getting attention with "controlversial stories" which then led to "ZetaTalk".

Following quoted from: [link to www.laughton.com]

Whois Nancy?

I was recently looking through my website logs and noticed that I had been getting a lot of hits on the Nancy Star Party Pages. This reminded me that I had done an Email interview in February of 1999 with a gentleman named Mike Dosenbach who used to work for Nancy. At that time, Nancy was still working for CSC Consulting in San Bruno, California..

Q: What kind of work did you and she do?

A: We were computer consultants for a company called CSC in their San Bruno office. Since everyone who works there is constantly switching from client to client, the company set up a manager for each employee to help guide their career. Your Project Managers would write your project reviews, but the managers like Nancy (I forget the exact title) wrote your annual review, help to set your raise amount, etc. Working for her was like working by myself. I would only hear from her around annual review time. This wasn't completely unheard of from these managers, however.

I actually found out about her "hobby" in an interesting way. :) At my annual review in early 96, I expressed an interest in moving my career towards the Internet. She mentioned that she had a website that got a lot of hits. Of course, I asked what it was, and she refused to tell me, saying that it was "rather controversial", and that she didn't want anyone in her professional life to know about it until she "didn't have to work anymore". Being the curious sort, and expecting something like a strongly pro-life or pro-choice website, I did a websearch on her name. At the time, she didn't have her last name on the web anywhere. But, a quick "whois lieder" pulled her up. Imagine my surprise! :)


Are u not ashamed of the role you played there? seems to me you were too smart for some of the lies there considering it was u who noticed the changes in zetatalk but do u really discredit it all considering u made animations of the dark twin, etc. Do you now discredit the notion of alien contact and "the call" as outlined in zetatalk?

any answers from u would be much appreciated as u strike me as a scientific individual.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26198559


Of course I was ashamed when I realized that I was promoting misleading information all the time and the damage I did to others.

It was a shock, but at some point it was more important to adress the present, i.e. work-out something with the current situation to reverse the damage the best possible.

In regards to the DT, aliens, or the "call" I really only think the UFO-phenomena (intelligent aliens visiting us) are real.

The Dark Twin is totally irrational and not having any basis.
The call is something theoretical that nobody can confirm or disconfirm.
In fact I think that the concept of the call gives a tendency towards "denial" - similar to prayer (wishful thinking).

If aliens really support the good guys and you're one of them, you won't need to worry about making calls.
Life's fully in our hands and this seems to be an uncomfortable concept for many.

Just my opinion. :) BTW: Im not a "scientific individual" other than using rational thinking like you. hf
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Insightful...

In your opinion is Nancy any more than a deluded old woman, as I know u don't think shes an alien contactee. Is it possible she is government employed or do u think shes just more of a heavens gate type cult leader?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26198559


I must agree with what AC 10422385 just said.... Nancy is fully aware of her motives and the damage she's doing.

No, I dont think she's government employed nor that she's spreading "CIA disinfo" on purpose.

I think she's just one of those selfish types of people who noticed the potential of getting attention with "controlversial stories" which then led to "ZetaTalk".

Following quoted from: [link to www.laughton.com]

Whois Nancy?

I was recently looking through my website logs and noticed that I had been getting a lot of hits on the Nancy Star Party Pages. This reminded me that I had done an Email interview in February of 1999 with a gentleman named Mike Dosenbach who used to work for Nancy. At that time, Nancy was still working for CSC Consulting in San Bruno, California..

Q: What kind of work did you and she do?

A: We were computer consultants for a company called CSC in their San Bruno office. Since everyone who works there is constantly switching from client to client, the company set up a manager for each employee to help guide their career. Your Project Managers would write your project reviews, but the managers like Nancy (I forget the exact title) wrote your annual review, help to set your raise amount, etc. Working for her was like working by myself. I would only hear from her around annual review time. This wasn't completely unheard of from these managers, however.

I actually found out about her "hobby" in an interesting way. :) At my annual review in early 96, I expressed an interest in moving my career towards the Internet. She mentioned that she had a website that got a lot of hits. Of course, I asked what it was, and she refused to tell me, saying that it was "rather controversial", and that she didn't want anyone in her professional life to know about it until she "didn't have to work anymore". Being the curious sort, and expecting something like a strongly pro-life or pro-choice website, I did a websearch on her name. At the time, she didn't have her last name on the web anywhere. But, a quick "whois lieder" pulled her up. Imagine my surprise! :)


Are u not ashamed of the role you played there? seems to me you were too smart for some of the lies there considering it was u who noticed the changes in zetatalk but do u really discredit it all considering u made animations of the dark twin, etc. Do you now discredit the notion of alien contact and "the call" as outlined in zetatalk?

any answers from u would be much appreciated as u strike me as a scientific individual.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26198559


Of course I was ashamed when I realized that I was promoting misleading information all the time and the damage I did to others.

It was a shock, but at some point it was more important to adress the present, i.e. work-out something with the current situation to reverse the damage the best possible.

In regards to the DT, aliens, or the "call" I really only think the UFO-phenomena (intelligent aliens visiting us) are real.

The Dark Twin is totally irrational and not having any basis.
The call is something theoretical that nobody can confirm or disconfirm.
In fact I think that the concept of the call gives a tendency towards "denial" - similar to prayer (wishful thinking).

If aliens really support the good guys and you're one of them, you won't need to worry about making calls.
Life's fully in our hands and this seems to be an uncomfortable concept for many.

Just my opinion. :) BTW: Im not a "scientific individual" other than using rational thinking like you. hf
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Something I always wanted to ask you CoS: why didn't you delete all your comments on the poleshift.ning website when you left?
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Something I always wanted to ask you CoS: why didn't you delete all your comments on the poleshift.ning website when you left?
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Because I took reference to it in my document i.e. to allow people to reproduce my claims.

BTW: I could have deleted anything of Nancy from the PS-Ning... but I didnt for the same reasons. It wouldn't make much of a difference because a Moderator does frequent backups and they'd probably use it for their advantage as they already did in the past by creating another hype out of it.

But this doesn't mean that I wasn't seriously considering it.
One click, and all of Nancy's BS from the PS-Ning could be gone.....A debunkers paradise?

:-) I just suspended her for the sake of it when I left, though not removing her content for the reasons above.
After all, her lies are copied everywhere and they're just waiting to be uncovered.
People need to be able to access both "sides" of opinions. Uncut.
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I've been curious about her as a true true-believer -- and having a conversation with her to find out if there is *any* rational evidence that could change her mind, and then her justifications when there isn't. It would be interesting to pick her brain, I would think...
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Not that she'd ever answer any of your questions...at least not honestly I suspect.
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Yep, gal has become silent and is now active under the alias "Ann S.".... [link to poleshift.ning.com]
Still being super-confident about the Great Cover-Up and Planet X... violin
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 26807788

Like her alter ego Astrogal now Anne S. has set her ning-profile to private after being exposed here.

Also it seems there is - except Flarebertos revolutionary lens flares and dust swirls - an acute shortage of Planet X photos and videos - last photo 5 days ago.

But Anne S. aka Astrogal has an explanation:
Comment by ann s. on Monday
It is not just a matter of going outside and looking up to see Planet X anytime, anywhere. That time has not arrived.
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

OK, I see - 58 days left until Jan 1st 2013

Planet X should hurry up a little.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Nancy is getting dottier with the years that go by, but she is in no way delusional. She knows exactly what she is doing, though the motivation has changed. In the beginning she ran a bogus non profit and used the proceeds to establish the ZetaTalk headquarters in her residence. As I understand it, she inherited an old farmhouse, quit her job and fixed the house up. Back then she had lots of projects like a worm bed, seed garden and plans for a radio project (which people donated towards and which was never built). She had donations coming in, she was doing radio like C2C on a regular basis, she was selling cds and "survival guides" (lots of lol comedy there). Then the 2003 pole shift never happened, and the white lie happened. A lot of her followers realized it was all bogus and she has been trying to keep the cult alive ever since, starting her "live chat" here, and when the heat got to much for her, she went to the ning where she rules supreme. Donations are almost non existent now, at least that's what she says. So why does she keep it up? She likes the notoriety, she needs to feel important. I have watched how followers come and go. Freestore, Max, Burkettgirl, Agnes, volar, Luser, bridget, Wankdrew, elle, Soledad, etc. Where are they now? Did they realize it's a scam and move on or did they just change identities to make it seem like there are actually followers to attract newbies that don't know the sordid history of Nancy and her imaginary starburst aliens.
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If I were a paid member/donor, I'd sure want to know where the money went. As an amateur radio operator, I have to kind of laugh at her grand radio station plans. First off - any tower and antenna would be destroyed during the pole shift. Unless she wasn't planning on putting it up until afterwards. As far as I know, she never even got a license - not that it would be needed after the "shift" anyway. I suspect a great deal of that money was used to support her for a time being. As for those believers you mentioned - it appears they all did what many of us predicted they'd do - realize it was all a hoax and quietly disappear. Not surprising really considering how strongly some of them defended Nancy. Luser and Soledad were particularly vile and were, obviously, too embarrassed to come back, admit they were wrong and apologize once they realized they'd been had.
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Yep, gal has become silent and is now active under the alias "Ann S.".... [link to poleshift.ning.com]
Still being super-confident about the Great Cover-Up and Planet X... violin
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 26807788

Like her alter ego Astrogal now Anne S. has set her ning-profile to private after being exposed here.

Also it seems there is - except Flarebertos revolutionary lens flares and dust swirls - an acute shortage of Planet X photos and videos - last photo 5 days ago.

But Anne S. aka Astrogal has an explanation:
Comment by ann s. on Monday
It is not just a matter of going outside and looking up to see Planet X anytime, anywhere. That time has not arrived.
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

OK, I see - 58 days left until Jan 1st 2013

Planet X should hurry up a little.


.
 Quoting: Hydra

That time hasn't come yet? LOL! They've only been waiting for nearly 10 years. How long is this stupid "rogue planet" supposed to hover near the sun?
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Something I always wanted to ask you CoS: why didn't you delete all your comments on the poleshift.ning website when you left?
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Because I took reference to it in my document i.e. to allow people to reproduce my claims.

BTW: I could have deleted anything of Nancy from the PS-Ning... but I didnt for the same reasons. It wouldn't make much of a difference because a Moderator does frequent backups and they'd probably use it for their advantage as they already did in the past by creating another hype out of it.

But this doesn't mean that I wasn't seriously considering it.
One click, and all of Nancy's BS from the PS-Ning could be gone.....A debunkers paradise?

:-) I just suspended her for the sake of it when I left, though not removing her content for the reasons above.
After all, her lies are copied everywhere and they're just waiting to be uncovered.
People need to be able to access both "sides" of opinions. Uncut.
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 26849886


In a lot of ways it would take a fair bit of balls to admit that you were wrong. Id be curious learning a bit more about others who have also been disenchanted by Nancy that the chap from Canada mentioned above.

I don't think that you were the subject of any psychic attacks (i think that's what Nancy claimed?) after u left the ning.

"We have in the past explained the process of psychically attacking a person in a discussion on the White Brotherhood, who are a group of psychics targeting influential people such as authors"

This was a quote from ZT about the remote viewing attacks, do you know who the author being referred to is? I learnt about the earth changes via an author i have a lot of respect for who wrote about an axis adjustment before Zetatalk was around and recently in 2012 sent a link to the ning and zetatalk, then following that sent out another email to say that it was just an FYI to show the varied amount of info on the earth changes that some may find interesting and for readers to all use their own personal discernment when reading such material.

There is a lot of new age garbage floating around, do u have an opinion on why so many claims are sprouting up about shifts in consciousness, age of Aquarius, golden age, phoenix days, etc? Thats what was so appealing about ZT as it did seem to provide so much varied information linking so many different areas together, though we we all know Nancy has embellished the truth. I have my own opinions regarding this but would be interested in hearing what your views on this are, before and after leaving the ning, if youd be willing.
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61 days left until the final "Poleshi(f)t" FAIL.

Poleshit-members down to 714.

Leaving voluntarily or clean up?


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Now it's down to 695.
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If I were a paid member/donor, I'd sure want to know where the money went. As an amateur radio operator, I have to kind of laugh at her grand radio station plans. First off - any tower and antenna would be destroyed during the pole shift. Unless she wasn't planning on putting it up until afterwards. As far as I know, she never even got a license - not that it would be needed after the "shift" anyway. I suspect a great deal of that money was used to support her for a time being. As for those believers you mentioned - it appears they all did what many of us predicted they'd do - realize it was all a hoax and quietly disappear. Not surprising really considering how strongly some of them defended Nancy. Luser and Soledad were particularly vile and were, obviously, too embarrassed to come back, admit they were wrong and apologize once they realized they'd been had.
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I'm wondering why no one on the troubled times board questioned her on where that money went. If I remember correctly, it was around 5k for the radio project.

Excuse me, just took a look at the non-profit. The funding was over 8,000 USD in 2000 and it came to naught. Now where did that supposed 8k go?


Here's another little bit of information, the board has decided to kill off the non-profit at the end of 2012.
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If I were a paid member/donor, I'd sure want to know where the money went. As an amateur radio operator, I have to kind of laugh at her grand radio station plans. First off - any tower and antenna would be destroyed during the pole shift. Unless she wasn't planning on putting it up until afterwards. As far as I know, she never even got a license - not that it would be needed after the "shift" anyway. I suspect a great deal of that money was used to support her for a time being. As for those believers you mentioned - it appears they all did what many of us predicted they'd do - realize it was all a hoax and quietly disappear. Not surprising really considering how strongly some of them defended Nancy. Luser and Soledad were particularly vile and were, obviously, too embarrassed to come back, admit they were wrong and apologize once they realized they'd been had.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I'm wondering why no one on the troubled times board questioned her on where that money went. If I remember correctly, it was around 5k for the radio project.

Excuse me, just took a look at the non-profit. The funding was over 8,000 USD in 2000 and it came to naught. Now where did that supposed 8k go?


Here's another little bit of information, the board has decided to kill off the non-profit at the end of 2012.
 Quoting: bob_909


Interesting. Late, but interesting.
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I'm wondering why no one on the troubled times board questioned her on where that money went. If I remember correctly, it was around 5k for the radio project.

Excuse me, just took a look at the non-profit. The funding was over 8,000 USD in 2000 and it came to naught. Now where did that supposed 8k go?


Here's another little bit of information, the board has decided to kill off the non-profit at the end of 2012.
 Quoting: bob_909


Someone named Jan did question Nancy on some money issues - but no one else on the board cared and, eventually, Jan was either forced out or was removed if memory serves correctly.

$8000 is a good chuck of change - especially back in 2000 when some of the "super" radios such as the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu FTDX-9000 didn't exist. You could easily have gotten a top of the line radio (like an Icom IC-756 Pro III), a tower, HF beam antenna and had it installed. It can still be done for that amount of money but it's a bit harder considering all the really good radios are over $2000...which is why I went with the Yaesu FT-950. Great radio for the price.
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I'm wondering why no one on the troubled times board questioned her on where that money went. If I remember correctly, it was around 5k for the radio project.

Excuse me, just took a look at the non-profit. The funding was over 8,000 USD in 2000 and it came to naught. Now where did that supposed 8k go?


Here's another little bit of information, the board has decided to kill off the non-profit at the end of 2012.
 Quoting: bob_909


Someone named Jan did question Nancy on some money issues - but no one else on the board cared and, eventually, Jan was either forced out or was removed if memory serves correctly.

$8000 is a good chuck of change - especially back in 2000 when some of the "super" radios such as the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu FTDX-9000 didn't exist. You could easily have gotten a top of the line radio (like an Icom IC-756 Pro III), a tower, HF beam antenna and had it installed. It can still be done for that amount of money but it's a bit harder considering all the really good radios are over $2000...which is why I went with the Yaesu FT-950. Great radio for the price.
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I questioned her at the time- and brought it up whenever it appeared to boot

the aussie with the 7 element cubical quad on 28 meters

yes that one nancy
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Picture yourself on a runaway planet,
With long Dark Twin dust trails and orange lens flare skies.
Somebody calls you, you hear them in silence,
The Zetans with Third Density eyes.

Old Starburst wrappers of yellow and green,
Playing bad games with your head.
Look for the Zetan with the big sun swirl eyes,
And he’s gone.

Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!
Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!
Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!

Follow him down to a pole-shifting planet
Where apocalyptic people eat dead pet dog pies.
Nobody smiles as you drift past the red dust,
That’s piled so incredibly high.

Pumpkinhead Zetans appear at your door,
Coming to take you away.
Climb in their net with your head up your skirt,
And you’re gone.

Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!
Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!
Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!

Picture yourself with the brain of a Zetan,
With former PXers no more under your sway.
Suddenly someone is there, by the ambulance,
The white coats who take you away.

Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!
Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!
Lieder in the Sky with Zetans!
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I had actually forgotten this gem

(belongs to Maksutov btw)

havent heard it for years, but there was a totally `sings along until the penny drops - WHAAA???' utube or similar version that totally sounded like the original song-but had those words instead...

love to find it again
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and another classic

Nancy Lieder had a cult.
E-I-E-I-O

And to this cult she told White Lies.
E-I-E-I-O
With a White Lie here
And a White Lie there
Here a lie
There a lie
Everywhere a White Lie
Nancy Lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O

Nancy lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O
And to this cult she made false claims.
E-I-E-I-O

With a false claim here
And a false claim there
Here a claim
There a claim
Everywhere a false claim

And a White Lie here
And a White Lie there
Here a lie
There a lie
Everywhere a White Lie
Nancy lieder Had a cult
E-I-E-I-O

Nancy Lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O
And she Predicted Planet X
E-I-E-I-O
With a Planet X here
and a Planet X there
Here PX
There PX
Everywhere a planet X

With a false claim here
And a false claim there
Here a claim
There a claim
Everywhere a false claim

And a White Lie here
And a White Lie there
Here a lie
There a lie
Everywhere a White Lie
Nancy lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O

Nancy lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O
And she predicted a Pole Shift
E-I-E-I-O
With a Pole Shift here
and a Pole shift there
Here a shift
There a shift
Everywhere a Pole Shift

And a Planet X here
and a Planet X there
Here PX
There PX
Everywhere a planet X

Anda false claim here
And a false claim there
Here a claim
There a claim
Everywhere a false claim

And a White Lie here
And a White Lie there
Here a lie
There a lie
Everywhere a White Lie
Nancy lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O

Nancy lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O
And she predicted a Pole Shift
E-I-E-I-O
With a Pole Shift here
and a Pole shift there
Here a shift
There a shift
Everywhere a Pole Shift

And a Planet X here
and a Planet X there
Here PX
There PX
Everywhere a planet X

Anda false claim here
And a false claim there
Here a claim
There a claim
Everywhere a false claim

And a White Lie here
And a White Lie there
Here a lie
There a lie
Everywhere a White Lie
Nancy lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O


Nancy lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O
And Nancy Lieder killed her dog
E-I-E-I-O
With a dead dog here
and a good meal there
Here a dog
there a a meal.
Everywhere a dog meal

and a Pole Shift here
and a Pole shift there
Here a shift
There a shift
Everywhere a Pole Shift

And a Planet X here
and a Planet X there
Here PX
There PX
Everywhere a planet X

Anda false claim here
And a false claim there
Here a claim
There a claim
Everywhere a false claim

And a White Lie here
And a White Lie there
Here a lie
There a lie
Everywhere a White Lie
Nancy lieder had a cult
E-I-E-I-O

Everyone, sing along!

credit to john jones btw
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In a certain way this songs show all the highway of frauds and lies which are significant for the life of Nancy Lieder.
She will not be remembered very long after her death and what remains are the relicts of a scary old prankster which found enough innocent victims to start her strange internet cult.

It is a shame that she even stole donations from her stupid followers. There is a long story of abuse and criminal activities in the bio of Nancy Lieder. How should this songs continue ...

Nancy Lieder had a cult.
E-I-E_I-O
And her cult pets had some cells
With a lense flare here
And a lense flare there
Here a flare there a flare
everywhere a flare, flare

And old Flareberto had a cell
E-I-E-I-O
with a floppy-disk
and a floppy risk
here a lie
there a flare
but no brain nowhere
Old Flareberto in the glare...

E-I-E-I-O

At least we can sometimes laugh our asses off with this retarded ultrafools. I guess the poor Maxwell experienced the same of wakeup call and is now travelling through the USA with his guitar and singing this songs as a punishment that he believed in such a strange and weird culd.
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In a lot of ways it would take a fair bit of balls to admit that you were wrong. Id be curious learning a bit more about others who have also been disenchanted by Nancy that the chap from Canada mentioned above.

I don't think that you were the subject of any psychic attacks (i think that's what Nancy claimed?) after u left the ning.

"We have in the past explained the process of psychically attacking a person in a discussion on the White Brotherhood, who are a group of psychics targeting influential people such as authors"

This was a quote from ZT about the remote viewing attacks, do you know who the author being referred to is? I learnt about the earth changes via an author i have a lot of respect for who wrote about an axis adjustment before Zetatalk was around and recently in 2012 sent a link to the ning and zetatalk, then following that sent out another email to say that it was just an FYI to show the varied amount of info on the earth changes that some may find interesting and for readers to all use their own personal discernment when reading such material.

There is a lot of new age garbage floating around, do u have an opinion on why so many claims are sprouting up about shifts in consciousness, age of Aquarius, golden age, phoenix days, etc? Thats what was so appealing about ZT as it did seem to provide so much varied information linking so many different areas together, though we we all know Nancy has embellished the truth. I have my own opinions regarding this but would be interested in hearing what your views on this are, before and after leaving the ning, if youd be willing.
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Hi,
indeed there is a lot of new age garbage floating around nowadays.

You are right however that there are lof of rumors about "shift in consciousness", doom and gloom, age of aquarius and its implications etc etc.

Im not sure why we currently experiene such a boom with these matters, but I suppose the "2012 - Hype" played a big role in it.

At least I got into the doomsday-hype by material like Edgar Cayce's prophecy, Nostradamus, the Fatima-secrets, "the anti-christ", NWO, UFOs, secret technologies or the other popular controversial topics on the world wide web.

They all seemed to have one in common:
Big changes supposed to happen in the future and implications of "a new age".

Then suddenly the 21/12/12 date came up and became the bandwagon of doomsday-garbage all around the world and all of these rumors suddenly "became connected" and were asserted to 2012 or close to it.

Even mainstream media and Hollywood adressed it with movies like 2012 or slogans like "Find out the truth, google: 2012" to stir the pot (money).

The start of the grand' hysteria.

BTW: This presentation by David Morrison gives a good perspective about the various "2012-hypes" in my mind: [link to fora.tv]

What my views on this are?

As I said above, I believe the UFO phenomena is authentic and that we're not being told the full truth by official means. (Reason: it would somewhat threaten "national security" apart from the technological aspects, its implications and "exploited" knowledge the military is reserving for their advantage. )

But thats it - For the most part.

I don't think "reptilians" are invading humanity (shockingly, many seem to believe this), nor do I think we're going to experience a poleshift or other dramatic global catastrophes anytime soon ( Unlike WW3, or a collapse of the current system which would be fully man-made. ), or that we're going to "shift" into a higher density or some sorts...


Ironically Im studying Geoscience where we learn to conclude certain processes given to the situation observed.

It is true that earth experiences shifts of the magnetic-polarity - however these are A: Not occuring in a periodicity or at least not in the "3600-year-cycle" as Nancy wants their believers to believe, and B: Occuring in large, differing intervalls.. ( Sometimes couple thousand years, sometimes tens of thousands etc. )
So, there's really no basis to the 3600-year-Planet theory as Nancy claims.
>At least not on this planet.

On the contrary, the Mid-atlantic-ridge is one example showing the (real) history of earth by having a track-record of magnetic-patterns.
(Reason: Magnetic particles in liquid magma align with the magnetic field and become "frozen" in their position when the magma cools down rapidly (like when getting in contact with water) - as occuring in the Mid-Atlantic-Ridge: [link to geography-site.co.uk] )

We're currently in a phase where the magnetic-field gets weaker... but its nowhere near "reversing" as yet.
It might take a thousands of years to do so.... and if means any danger at all - is another question.
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With the holidays coming up, I may have to find the Christmas themed "Planet X/Pole Shift" songs I had made up.
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Does this thread hate only on Nancy or on the whole idea of the earth changes completely?
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Like most words "hate" has it's various meanings depending on which context it is applied to. In Ms LIEDer's case her continual use of manipulation and deception on her cult followers; her everlasting use of thoroughly debunked falsehoods; and at times her continual insistence that her irrational and illogical rantings are somehow "FACTS" that exist in our reality, yes these are things for which Ms LIEDer should be "called out" on.

Ms LIEDer is a "nutcase" and time has proven this. This is an indisputable FACT in and of its self. As we all know, MOST "it's the end of the world as we know it" DOOMSTERS shut up and go away after their predicted "doomsday event/s" predictably FAIL lol4me to materialize into our known universe of existence. But NO not Ms LIEDer!!! The woman has FAILED on countless occasions over the years and due to her denial of FACTUAL REALITY and her persistence to continual on the pretense that a huge rogue PLANET X would enter our Solar System and cause death and destruction to Planet Earth on a large and significant scale is a thing for which Ms LIEDer should be and is rightfully mocked and ridiculed over.

Look here, Nancy LIEDer has been thoroughly DEBUNKED over again with FACTS; KNOWLEDGE; and REALITY. Time has proven to be her greatest ENEMY and FOE. It is not individuals/debunkers per se. So one is left to only conclude that Ms NANCY LIEDer, the human interface of her Overlord Alien ETs, is plain and simply MENTALLY ILL.

That alone is a sad FACT for the woman but it is obvious that those around her are unable to productively guide her to seek the professional help that she needs. That in a "nutshell" is the REALITY of the situation, in regards to Ms LIEDer and "her" zetatalk crapola, but I can see it finally ending in only one scenario....and you don't need to be an "Einstein" to guess how.

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I'm wondering why no one on the troubled times board questioned her on where that money went. If I remember correctly, it was around 5k for the radio project.

Excuse me, just took a look at the non-profit. The funding was over 8,000 USD in 2000 and it came to naught. Now where did that supposed 8k go?


Here's another little bit of information, the board has decided to kill off the non-profit at the end of 2012.
 Quoting: bob_909


I'm wondering if Nancy maybe decided to invest some of that money by "researching" the possibility of manufacturing a personalized "LIEDer time machine" unit so that she could "jump back in time" to relive the glory days of pre May 2003 all again?

I think I'm onto something here?

:lol4me:
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I'm wondering why no one on the troubled times board questioned her on where that money went. If I remember correctly, it was around 5k for the radio project.

Excuse me, just took a look at the non-profit. The funding was over 8,000 USD in 2000 and it came to naught. Now where did that supposed 8k go?


Here's another little bit of information, the board has decided to kill off the non-profit at the end of 2012.
 Quoting: bob_909


I'm wondering if Nancy maybe decided to invest some of that money by "researching" the possibility of manufacturing a personalized "LIEDer time machine" unit so that she could "jump back in time" to relive the glory days of pre May 2003 all again?

I think I'm onto something here?

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lol....
You guys made my day..

Here's another:

Nancy Lieder had a cult.
E-I-E-I-O

And when she speaks, the weak believe -
E-I-E-I-O

With a Planet here,
a lenseflare there,
her followers wouldn't question her.

A fancy world,
with much comofort,
- the only price: your brain milord.

With here a claim,
and there a fail,
Nancy has a crapload-tail!

A dead one here,
a bankrupt there,
would it even bother her?

Some care less,
some care more,
But surely not the attention-whore...

Gaining Fame,
while others blame,
it soon will switch - the bloody game.

Her body old,
her soul is sold,
without her we'll have a better world.


hf


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