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Then why, pray tell did you joined the "ZetaTalk" thread. I can ask you the same question.

Because I don't dislike ZetaTalk threads. In fact, it is quite the opposite. It is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship. And it was Nancy who started banning people for asking her questions for which she had no answer. It was also Nancy who took it upon herself to delete a "debunker" thread and then ban the person who started it. Today, I saw some claims that are obviously false and easily provable as such so I made some comments on it....and you all started having a fit.


And sorry to say but in my humble opinion most debunkers act like whining children.

And, sorry to say, but to I and many other so called "debunkers", most bunkers act like whining children. Most throw tantrums when asked for evidence to support their claims.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Hi CB! You said
It is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship.

Have I ever called for such a thing? I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such...

Peace to you as always, always a pleasure!

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So, Max, any estimate on when you'll be providing that evidence to support your claims about that palm frond?

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Hi CB! You said
It is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship.

Have I ever called for such a thing?
 Quoting: Earth420

I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did.

I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such...
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No, I am not incorrect. However, you are also right...some people have called for Nancy to be banned.
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Hi CB! You said
It is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship.

Have I ever called for such a thing?

I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did.


I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such...

No, I am not incorrect. However, you are also right...some people have called for Nancy to be banned.
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You LIE AGAIN!

What compels you to do this?

I'm not calling for censorship, I'm calling for honest debate ... not the snivelling lies YOU keep making.
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Hi CB! You said
It is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship.

Have I ever called for such a thing?

I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did.


I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such...

No, I am not incorrect. However, you are also right...some people have called for Nancy to be banned.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

I've never "overtly" called for debunker bans. However, it's hard to contain my "Schadenfreude" when it happens.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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You LIE AGAIN!
 Quoting: User # 78/68

Prove it!

What compels you to do this?
 Quoting: User # 78/68

What compels YOU to lie, deceive and insult?

I'm not calling for censorship, I'm calling for honest debate ... not the snivelling lies YOU keep making.
 Quoting: User # 78/68

There you go lying again. You've NEVER entered in an honest debate. If anything, you run away from it. When anyone posts a sound and logical reason as to why and how Nancy is wrong, you immediately pounce and attack. You're been asked honest questions for which all that was required was an honest response. Instead, you spewed insults. The only sniveling comes from YOU because you have nothing to prove Nancy is right.

But, tell you what, I'll give you a chance to enter into an honest debate.

Do you believe Earth is halted in orbit? If so, why?

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Hi CB! You said
It is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship.

Have I ever called for such a thing?

I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did.


I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such...

No, I am not incorrect. However, you are also right...some people have called for Nancy to be banned.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker



I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did.

But when you "compartamilize" us... you did indeed say followers... Why would we as well call for censorship... if it were for censorship many of us, including those on your end would not be able to say anything, let alone post anywhere as we do! It is the driving factor for most things, the ability to voice and try to come together and debate in an acceptable fashion... but it doesnt always happen that way now does it? But in the end, do you ever wonder why and how it brings us all together? The end result of this happening? And what would be the end result if there is one? We all dont know but maybe it is to be that way... for now... we are here now... and we dont know of Gods plan for all of us... we can agree and be in the same boat together on that... and how we are trying to understand what is indeed going on around us, as ALL is not normal...

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Show where I am calling for censorship, OR get PROVEN a LIAR!

You can run but you can't hide. See how easy it is?
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this zeta shit is still going on? Isn't it a bit 2007 don't you think so?
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Show where I am calling for censorship, OR get PROVEN a LIAR!
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Show where I'm a proven liar.

You can run but you can't hide. See how easy it is?
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Thank you, for once again proving me right. On the last page, I gave you the opportunity to enter into an honest debate. And what did you do? Pounce and attack...like you always do.

As you can see folks, this is the kind of person User is. He claims he is here for debate, but his actions speak much louder. He proves he is only here to antagonize.

ZetaMax, on the other hand, does enter into debates. His theories and claims may seem like ridiculous attempts to support Nancy. But at least he usually tries before resorting to calling people shills. This is something you fail to do.

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Show where I am calling for censorship, OR get PROVEN a LIAR!

Show where I'm a proven liar.


You can run but you can't hide. See how easy it is?

Thank you, for once again proving me right. On the last page, I gave you the opportunity to enter into an honest debate. And what did you do? Pounce and attack...like you always do.

As you can see folks, this is the kind of person User is. He claims he is here for debate, but his actions speak much louder. He proves he is only here to antagonize.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker





I just finished PROVING you are that LIAR, Circuit Stupid. You said I am calling for censorship, and I called you on this. Show us all where I have called for this censorship, OR get PROVEN, yet again, that LIAR.


See how easy it has become to show who you are CB? For you to continue to argue this point simply shows how corrupt you really are!
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this zeta shit is still going on? Isn't it a bit 2007 don't you think so?
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And yet we are still here... time and time again...

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I just finished PROVING you are that LIAR, Circuit Stupid.
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Where? And I just proved that you're a liar. You said you wanted honest debate/discussion. I gave you that opportunity Loser and you blew it....as usual.

You said I am calling for censorship, and I called you on this. Show us all where I have called for this censorship, OR get PROVEN, yet again, that LIAR.
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You have ALWAYS called for censorship by telling "debunkers" to get off Nancy's threads. You criticize them for simply posting there. Quit lying. People who have been here long enough know this.

See how easy it has become to show who you are CB?
 Quoting: User # 78/68

No, because you haven't proven anything. On the otherhand, see how easy it is to show who you are?

For you to continue to argue this point simply shows how corrupt you really are!
 Quoting: User # 78/68

For you to continue arguing this point and post nothing but insults show how corrupt you really are. Like I said, I gave you the opportunity to enter in to a civil discussion about whether the Earth is halted or not. And you refused to do so...even though you had just finished saying you were here for honest debate. What you really meant to say is that you're here to enter into discussion only with anyone who agrees with Nancy.

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Thread: Are Psuedo Skeptics like Randi becoming marginalized?

Are Psuedo Skeptics like Randi becoming marginalized?


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For those who don't know the old history of ZetaTalk and Gerard Zwaan (aka Obany from IRC /kick /ban fame):
[link to www.skepticalmind.com]
"Gerard Zwaan
History :
On March 3, 1995 Zwaan posts a message in the newsgroup alt.alien.visitors asking for anyone who may be a contactee of the Zeta Reticulans to email him. He states that he wanted to know "what they have to say". Between May and July of 1995 Zwaan is mercilessly spamming the sci.astro newsgroup begging any and all astronomers to visit the ZetaTalk website to read about Planet X. On August 19, 1995 Zwaan made his last ZetaTalk posting to sci.astro.
...
Zwaan was a member of the Troubled Times team and Yahoo forums from their beginnings. He is often seen on the Yahoo group tt-watch reminding everyone when the next Zetatalk IRC chat will occurr. As moderator of #zetatalk and #troubled_times on IRC he is known by the handle "obany".

Gerard Zwaan is also an interesting aspect of the ZetaTalk phenomena, in that he was perhaps the first true believer in the words of Nancy Lieder. In fact, several personal accounts have stated Zwaan is responsible for the majority of what ZetaTalk contained upon its webpages when it debuted in 1995. From what has been told of the time from well connected sources, Zwaan peppered Lieder with a multitude of paranormal "what if" questions in private communication which resulted in the "core" of 1995 Zetatalk.com. It has also been stated from close sources that Zwaan's personal identity is very much fixated upon the "reality" that Lieder has spun under the name of her Zetas. His emotional commitment to the "cause" is near fully invested, making it perhaps impossible to do anything but ride the proverbial wave until its inevitable crash."


Gerard is just an obsessive ZetaTalk flak and has been one for 14 years.
He's been spamming usenet for years with ZetaTalk, ZetaTalk Chat, ZetaTalk Newsletter:
[link to groups.google.com]
This Google search page is their listing of Gerard's postings on usenet.
Notice he's been spamming a wide variety of uninterested and unrelated groups with his ZetaTalk announcements.
sci.geo.earthquakes
alt.religion
alt.talk.weather
misc.survivalism
sci.astro.amateur
alt.politics
alt.astronomy
alt.prophecies.nostradamus
alt.conspiracy
alt.paranormal
etc., etc., etc.

Note that there are usually no responses to his spam and if there is, it is usually to tell him to "F___ Off."

Anyway, for those who are post-2003 observers of ZetaTalk, keep in mind that Gerard is perhaps the hardest of the hardcore ZetaTalkers.
His history shows he has no problem ruthlessly shutting down any dissent from ZetaTalk dogma if it is in his power.
You may now laugh at his STO/STS allusions.

Have fun.


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Interesting information. I find it interesting that User calls Candace a whack job, but doesn't think the same of Nancy (or Gerard apparently), even though all of them make many grandiose claims. The only thing I can think of as to why he speaks out against Candace is because Candace doesn't adhere completely to the whole ZetaTalk story...that and she's been trying to steal wind from Nancy's sails.
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but ZT suggests an explanation for that, and very reasonable explanation!

i came to see things in the same way, long before i knew about ZT, in fact in childhood. though i couldnt put it into words, describe it, much less explain it. now i can! and i KNOW it, not "believe", but KNOW and sure as hell about that!
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It doesn't need any 'explanation' from ZetaTalk! It's basic human nature and the difference in personalities and character. STS/STO is just woo-woo B.S.

You are basically admitting that you have a prior delusion that you wish to seek support for in 'cults' like ZetaTalk. This is what suckers people like you in. Nancy understands EXACTLY how this works, and you have fallen for it.

People who insist they KNOW things never really do. It's their insecurity talking.
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So Gerard is Obany! That explains MUCH! The same old handful of whackjobs!
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Show where I am calling for censorship, OR get PROVEN a LIAR!

You can run but you can't hide. See how easy it is?
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You seem to be mentally unstable.
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Interesting information. I find it interesting that User calls Candace a whack job, but doesn't think the same of Nancy (or Gerard apparently), even though all of them make many grandiose claims. The only thing I can think of as to why he speaks out against Candace is because Candace doesn't adhere completely to the whole ZetaTalk story...that and she's been trying to steal wind from Nancy's sails.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I'm waiting with bated breath for a good kOOk-fight from these two.

They are both pushing a UFO cult with both of them positioned as the chosen emissary for their 'gods'.
Candace is a relative newcomer to GLP and she and her acolytes have also targeted the mental defectives for conversion.
Since there is a limited number of potential converts who aren't already invested in another lunatic delusion that severely conflicts with Candace's or Nancy's delusion, they are shaking the same gullibility tree.

Candace may have the upper hand since her cult depends upon the existing cult of Urantia. She merely has to convince Urantia believers to accept her as one of the chosen 'ascended masters' whom they should adulate and adhere to.

Nancy's cult depends on snippets of virtually every cult so her message may 'resonate' with loons who have been exposed to any of them. Her problem is that she has no pre-existing cult to easily tap. Her's is completely centred on Nancy and the Zetas. In that respect it is a 'new' UFO cult and she has much more convincing to do in her recruitment efforts.

Considering their target audience, it is common for the loons to hold multiple, separate, conflicting delusions at the same time so how successful they'll be depends on how crazy their converts are.

It's a tough call, but I may have to give Candace the edge. Her job is certainly easier than Nancy's.

Have fun.


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Show where I am calling for censorship, OR get PROVEN a LIAR!

You can run but you can't hide. See how easy it is?


You seem to be mentally unstable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 770067


I think there is a great probability, with Luserboy, that we are dealing with a person two bottles short of a six pack.

Seriously Luser's behaviour is very abnormal indeed!!
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Ah the debunkers found out who i am ... now i am going to duck and cover.


hiding


Well that is someting i am not going to do duck and cover.
As i don't mind that this stuff is on the web.
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this zeta shit is still going on? Isn't it a bit 2007 don't you think so?
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Zetatalk chat threads are at best just pure entertainment value on GLP.

The vast majority of GLPer's it would seem do not give Ms LIEDer or her stupid SOZT.....EOZT the time of day.

You take the debunker participation out of Nancy's chat threads and what have you left but a small bunch of delusional posters as Ms LIEDer's only audience.

A proven fact that Ms LIEDer and her followers just cannot stand to acknowledge is probably the reason why Nancy remains in the backwaters of GLPland.



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Ah the debunkers found out who i am ... now i am going to duck and cover.


hiding


Well that is someting i am not going to do duck and cover.
As i don't mind that this stuff is on the web.
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No one is telling you to take it down. You can post whatever you want on the Internet for the most part. However, that doesn't mean any of it is right and others can certainly post telling you as much.
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I don't think Dr Postman knows one whit about the psychology of the organization he claims he has been a member of for all of these years.

though it was not adressed to me personally, i will add tp that.
they are so desperately trying to disprove that if Nancy/Zetas made a simple statement that "Sun rises in the East" they would claim it is WRONG!
truly amazing! one can observe this type of behaviour in those who are in hard denial. the message is so unacceptable for them that they go to just denying EVERYTHING that comes from a source.


Nancy is wrong because, once again, she has spouted off on
a subject that she has almost no knowledge of. On the other
hand I've been involved with my 12 Step Fellowship for 22
years (having celebrated at my homegroup just last night)
and in addition I have performed service work for it in the
form of being a member of the West TN Area Service Committee
Public Information Subcommittee, as well as chairperson of
that committee for 2 terms (Its frowned upon to serve more
than that in one position but they tried to convince me to
stay for one more term).

I have even quoted our own Basic Text to Max which he has
since stayed silent about. But that's what you guys do.
When your red herrings are exposed to move on to newer fish
until they stink just as badly.





there is a better and more reasonamble explanation - regular pole shifts (actual crustal shifts).


And yet not a single geologist anywhere on this planet will
agree with you at all.





Debunker tactics: "Let's twist again!..."


"Weeks, not months" - Nancy Lieder in July 2003

If what you Zidiots have been doing since then isn't
twisting I don't know what is.





And the whining goes on. I guess we can change the name from debunking crowd into whining crowd.


You should know about whining. You bunkers whine about anyone
questioning Nancy all the time.





I'm not calling for censorship, I'm calling for honest debate ... not the snivelling lies YOU keep making.


Then why don't you actually engage is some. I've asked you
questions like how God in the 12 Steps has to do with parenting
which you ignore in favor of your usual sniping.





But when you "compartamilize" us... you did indeed say followers... Why would we as well call for censorship... if it were for censorship many of us, including those on your end would not be able to say anything, let alone post anywhere as we do!


Ask yourself what happened to Nancy's web board and then
tell us that she doesn't censor. Go look at the archive
of TT-Watch prior to May of 2003 and tell me that she
doesn't enjoy censorship. Look at the old IRC logs and
explain that her kicking people wasn't censorship.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Censorship on the old tt-watch was the norm with Nancy. Tristan who started the alt-tt-watch forum made Nancy look like an absent teacher. Not only would he censor and delete but he would also alter other people's posts when he didn't agree with them.

Nancy and the bunkers are hypocrites. They claim censorship but then turn around condone it themselves.
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this zeta shit is still going on? Isn't it a bit 2007 don't you think so?


And yet we are still here... time and time again...

Peace
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Yeah, six years AFTER Nancy said it would be all over. What does that suggest?
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Ah the debunkers found out who i am ... now i am going to duck and cover.


hiding


Well that is someting i am not going to do duck and cover.
As i don't mind that this stuff is on the web.
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It is indelible proof of your history of mental illness and total lack of any credibility.
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this zeta shit is still going on? Isn't it a bit 2007 don't you think so?


And yet we are still here... time and time again...

Peace


Yeah, six years AFTER Nancy said it would be all over. What does that suggest?
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We're getting closer. Soon.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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ok, one question

Why is christianity the one who is blasphemysed,

buddhism, islam, hinduism?

why theyb aren't ?

are they afraid of the true christians?
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09/13/2009 08:09 PM

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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
We're getting closer. Soon.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

There's that famous bunker statement - "Soon"...which means a point in time approaching infinity. But, I'm forced to agree...we are getting closer. Closer to one more failure for ZetaTalk.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/13/2009 08:13 PM
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