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I'm wondering why no one on the troubled times board questioned her on where that money went. If I remember correctly, it was around 5k for the radio project.

Excuse me, just took a look at the non-profit. The funding was over 8,000 USD in 2000 and it came to naught. Now where did that supposed 8k go?


Here's another little bit of information, the board has decided to kill off the non-profit at the end of 2012.
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Someone named Jan did question Nancy on some money issues - but no one else on the board cared and, eventually, Jan was either forced out or was removed if memory serves correctly.

$8000 is a good chuck of change - especially back in 2000 when some of the "super" radios such as the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu FTDX-9000 didn't exist. You could easily have gotten a top of the line radio (like an Icom IC-756 Pro III), a tower, HF beam antenna and had it installed. It can still be done for that amount of money but it's a bit harder considering all the really good radios are over $2000...which is why I went with the Yaesu FT-950. Great radio for the price.
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In 1994 I put up a 40 foot Rohn 25 tower with a Mosley TA-53M beam with Yaesu rotator. I believe the total amount installed was about $1,500. I paid less than 1k for a Yaesu FT-890AT which was replaced by a used Yaesu FT-767. Using just 100 watts, I had no problem hitting Japan from Dallas with that setup.

8k would have bought quit a bit more.

These days, less than a grand will get you a quite capable system.

Her shortwave effort was quite feeble - they never got past one or two lessons and I don't think anyone even bothered to get even a Technician license. Just another one of her pathetic efforts to prepare for the supposed pole shift.

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Hey every one. I have some great stuff for you. Where is tunnel vision he will love this and needs to add it to his doc

read the comments etc on this clip. Its great. Im not saying zetas wrong, but certainly Nancy wrong.



In the video Nancy claims moon swirls but the person who made the video has reproduced it and debunked since. As much as i don't like the posters in this thread u may appreciate this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26198559

Thanks for the info - probably will make something of it today or tomorrow.

Btw - are you the guy who questioned the orbs at 11 and 12 o'clock?
Ning-post first answered quite rude by Poleshit-Nancy, then the post was deleted (but she forgot to delete her answer :) ) and the guy was kicked.
Hours later she altered her answer too.


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Unfortunately the guy did not do the finger test to exclude the orb at the2 o'clock position beeing a reflexion. The orbs on top are surely a reflexion of any kind.

As one can see in the video the last seconds show a movement in the two orbs but on top. Anyway, the 2 o'clock orb stays.

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Unfortunately the guy did not do the finger test to exclude the orb at the2 o'clock position beeing a reflexion. The orbs on top are surely a reflexion of any kind.

As one can see in the video the last seconds show a movement in the two orbs but on top. Anyway, the 2 o'clock orb stays.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26342643

Unfortunately (for Poleshit-Nancy) the guy debunked himself with his fourth video:
Thread: The moons of Planet X are swirling - and Poleshit-Nancy lies again --- UPDATE AT PAGE 4

And do yourself a favour: don't mention the movement of the orbs on top at the Poleshit.ning - two other members did it and they are history now.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Unfortunately the guy did not do the finger test to exclude the orb at the2 o'clock position beeing a reflexion. The orbs on top are surely a reflexion of any kind.

As one can see in the video the last seconds show a movement in the two orbs but on top. Anyway, the 2 o'clock orb stays.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26342643

Unfortunately (for Poleshit-Nancy) the guy debunked himself with his fourth video:
Thread: The moons of Planet X are swirling - and Poleshit-Nancy lies again --- UPDATE AT PAGE 4

And do yourself a favour: don't mention the movement of the orbs on top at the Poleshit.ning - two other members did it and they are history now.


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Of course I saw the other videos where the guy debunked his own creations, but no word of him to the orb at 2'o clock. Probably harder to debunk.
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Unfortunately the guy did not do the finger test to exclude the orb at the2 o'clock position beeing a reflexion. The orbs on top are surely a reflexion of any kind.

As one can see in the video the last seconds show a movement in the two orbs but on top. Anyway, the 2 o'clock orb stays.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26342643

Unfortunately (for Poleshit-Nancy) the guy debunked himself with his fourth video:
Thread: The moons of Planet X are swirling - and Poleshit-Nancy lies again --- UPDATE AT PAGE 4

And do yourself a favour: don't mention the movement of the orbs on top at the Poleshit.ning - two other members did it and they are history now.


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 Quoting: Hydra


Of course I saw the other videos where the guy debunked his own creations, but no word of him to the orb at 2'o clock. Probably harder to debunk.
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The orb at 2 o'clock moves too, but because it's much closer to the sun than the other orbs, it moves only a little bit (angle of entry = angle of exit).
If you tilt the welding glas, the change is more prominent at greater angles.

Take a screenshot when the upper orbs are furthest from the sun.
Take another screenshot when the upper orbs ar closest to the sun.
Mark the center of the sun and the center of the 2 o'clock orb.
Construct a right-angled triangle using the center marks.
Make it with both screenshots and compare the triangles.

I just made it (quick and dirty setup). It's a movement of about 7px left and 20px up.
Not much, but sufficient to show, that it moves with the other orbs.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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So did people set their clocks? What does that say about Earth Halted in Orbit?
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It says that the hoax with earth halting in its orbit was antoher scary prank of Nancy Lieder. But well, this is an old hoax which was debunked 1001 times.

Crazy Nancy never learns it.

Gerard Zwaan should definitely close the poleshit.ning because of obvious lies and criminal betrayal.

And yes of course the other orbs move too. They always move around, some more some less. Indeed they are called internal lense reflections, but this hoax was so often debunked too that I`m still surprised that this is still a question for someone.

All these so called objects around the sun are mere fantasies of some weird people who lost every connection to reality. And again and again I wonder why they never use their time to verify these lenseflares with a good telescope. These lense flare stories only appear on the poleshit ning and two or three other scary pages. You will never see such a kind of photo on a page of professional photographers or amateur astronomers because they know that this is bullshit (and they have the right equipment where this kind of artifacts dont appear: it is a scary prank.)

Poor Nancy and her weird followers....
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So did people set their clocks? What does that say about Earth Halted in Orbit?
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Remember, *giggle*, when Nancy, *snort*, claimed that the date for, *hee hee*, Daylight Saving Time was changed to keep people from seeing "Planet X" in the morning on their way to work? LOL! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
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Raising doubts at the Poleshit.ning:

Comment by Fra. Iens
Still no signs of PX here in Urals (x1 floppy disk)
The dot at 11hrs is a glare (x2 floppy disk)

Nancy's Comment:
Seems you have something at 6 o'clock in your first pic, and too heavily filtered for anything BUT the Sun in your second pic.


[link to poleshift.ning.com]


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Raising doubts at the Poleshit.ning:

Comment by Fra. Iens
Still no signs of PX here in Urals (x1 floppy disk)
The dot at 11hrs is a glare (x2 floppy disk)

Nancy's Comment:
Seems you have something at 6 o'clock in your first pic, and too heavily filtered for anything BUT the Sun in your second pic.


[link to poleshift.ning.com]


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 Quoting: Hydra


Hehe... Too bad there isn't a "0.5 floppydisk" he could use to see Planet X.

One floppy is too less,
two is too much.

Planet X needs to get in between (to exist only in his mind), then he got it right.

God... that they still believe this Floppy-crap...
Fra. Iens is on thin ice though... he'll soon be considered too doubtful... and they don't like when someone is spreading doubts over the ultimate truth.
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Raising doubts at the Poleshit.ning:

Comment by Fra. Iens
Still no signs of PX here in Urals (x1 floppy disk)
The dot at 11hrs is a glare (x2 floppy disk)

Nancy's Comment:
Seems you have something at 6 o'clock in your first pic, and too heavily filtered for anything BUT the Sun in your second pic.


[link to poleshift.ning.com]


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 Quoting: Hydra


LOL!! Seriously? There isn't a damn thing at the 6:00 position except two faint flares - one pink just above the horizon and one smaller purplish one below the horizon.
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Hehe... Too bad there isn't a "0.5 floppydisk" he could use to see Planet X.

One floppy is too less,
two is too much.

Planet X needs to get in between (to exist only in his mind), then he got it right.

God... that they still believe this Floppy-crap...
Fra. Iens is on thin ice though... he'll soon be considered too doubtful... and they don't like when someone is spreading doubts over the ultimate truth.
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All those poor floppy disks sacrificed for nothing...



I just noticed something sort of funny, the membership numbers on earthchanges are now higher than poleshift.
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1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1

The Pole Shift: A Message of Hope

Posted by astrogal50 on November 5, 2012 at 10:39am
It appears some who accept the truth about Planet X and the pending pole shift are becoming understandably discouraged and disheartened.

But it is not all doom and gloom, folks, because the Transformation is now.


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56 days until the next FAIL of Poleshit-Nancy.



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Link: [link to poleshift.ning.com]


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Last Edited by Hydra on 11/05/2012 06:20 AM
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I see she stopped crowing that President Obama is going to announce the arrival of "Planet X" any day now...it's only been two months since he was supposed to do so.
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I see she stopped crowing that President Obama is going to announce the arrival of "Planet X" any day now...it's only been two months since he was supposed to do so.
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Her habit is to drop and forget failed prophecies as if they were never uttered.
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A Message of Hope for the Poleshit:

Astrogal50
"Shit, sheeple don't believe us any more - no sign of Planet X and only 56 days left."

Poleshit-Nancy
"Don't worry. There is the Comet next year - BISON or something like that.
We tell the sheeple it will hit Planet X and throw it out of orbit and after that it
will have its passage close to Earth and we get the pole shift.
Thus Flareber.. ahm Alberto can post more moon swirls, we can make up some news about
floodings and earth quakes and the world leaders have one more year to announce Planet X."

Astrogal50
"What a brilliant idea.
Ahm - and what about end of next year?"

Poleshit-Nancy
"Don't worry - may be another comet - We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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A Message of Hope for the Poleshit:

Astrogal50
"Shit, sheeple don't believe us any more - no sign of Planet X and only 56 days left."

Poleshit-Nancy
"Don't worry. There is the Comet next year - BISON or something like that.
We tell the sheeple it will hit Planet X and throw it out of orbit and after that it
will have its passage close to Earth and we get the pole shift.
Thus Flareber.. ahm Alberto can post more moon swirls, we can make up some news about
floodings and earth quakes and the world leaders have one more year to announce Planet X."

Astrogal50
"What a brilliant idea.
Ahm - and what about end of next year?"

Poleshit-Nancy
"Don't worry - may be another comet - We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."


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 Quoting: Hydra


Poleshit-Nancy
"Besides, I've managed to keep people on the hook for 10 years now so I can probably keep them believing for at least another 10."

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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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A lot of her believers seemed to connect Nancy's crap with the equally odorous 2012 crap. A lot of Believers should be stopping by here with promised apologies in 2013...

...but they won't. The whole PX idea revealed much more about the Believer's character than anything else.
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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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A lot of her believers seemed to connect Nancy's crap with the equally odorous 2012 crap. A lot of Believers should be stopping by here with promised apologies in 2013...

...but they won't. The whole PX idea revealed much more about the Believer's character than anything else.
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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A lot of her believers seemed to connect Nancy's crap with the equally odorous 2012 crap. A lot of Believers should be stopping by here with promised apologies in 2013...

...but they won't. The whole PX idea revealed much more about the Believer's character than anything else.
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
 Quoting: Elemental


Sigh. Except it isn't clearly seen naked eye, filtered, or anything else.

What possible orbit would such an object have to hang around the Sun, from Earth's perpective, for years? It makes no sense, unless you also buy the world being flat.
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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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A lot of her believers seemed to connect Nancy's crap with the equally odorous 2012 crap. A lot of Believers should be stopping by here with promised apologies in 2013...

...but they won't. The whole PX idea revealed much more about the Believer's character than anything else.
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
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I bet he missed my 20/07/2012 Update including Nancy's comments about him.

In case someone missed it:
[link to docs.google.com (secure)]
Reply by Nancy Lieder on May 27, 2010 at 8:35pm

I know him, but would scarsely call him a friend. He emails me constantly, but it is in the context of HIS statements to dozens of people he feels should know about his opinion on things. He may have been in the GLP chats but not as a registered identity, not that I recall. When learning that GLP chats would stop, he immediately mailed me 9 questions and by the time he got here (where he was directed to go by me) it had arisen to 12. Most of these were just tacked on so he could be piggy about it, my take, not well thought out.

I agree with (Moderator 4) to give him enough rope to hang himself. I think he will realize he is not king in this environment, and like most bullies will pull back. If not, private advice (and I would probably be the vehicle for that) should be applied. He obviously values ZetaTalk, and I refused, flat out, to take his questions via email. My words "I didn't stop doing the chats on GLP to start taking questions via email". Maybe he's insecure? Afraid of being cut out of the action altogether? He is getting 3 questions addressed, so may settle down. He may try to compete, instead, by becoming the ZetaTalk expert and you know, that might not be bad.

I note when challenged to quote where the Zetas said the dispurants were harmless, he found the Zeta quote and posted them, proving me right and he wrong! So not altogether hopeless, there is a curve here.

and:

Reply by Nancy Lieder on November 11, 2010 at 12:35pm

Gordon has written to me that he will be on C2C also. Thus, if he is getting out there on the media (his fervent desire) and is such an advocate of ZT (he heavily values their advice and takes them dead serious) we should NOT suspend him!

I would treat him like we do Mr. X, as an excentric, with problems, but overall a contributor. Oh, I forgot the EGO! Big egos, some of these guys.


I'd be interested to hear what Gordon would think about this...

I personally love the,
"proving me right and he wrong! So not altogether hopeless, there is a curve here."5a - One more member for the ZT-cult.
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"Besides, I've managed to keep people on the hook for 10 years now so I can probably keep them believing for at least another 10."
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Ten? She's been peddling her crap for seventeen years!
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
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Obviously, you have no clue about photography or optics.

That's a definite lens flare.

I could reproduce that image ad infinitum and have the supposed planet eX bounce all over the place.
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Obviously, you have no clue about photography or optics.

That's a definite lens flare.

I could reproduce that image ad infinitum and have the supposed planet eX bounce all over the place.
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Obviously, he (Gordon) has no clue about photography or optics.

Elemental is no Nibi - I'm not sure about other tards. ;)



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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Ten? She's been peddling her crap for seventeen years!
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I was only going back to 2003 when her first and highly publicized "pole shift" date failed. But you're right - if you go back to when she first showed up on the sci.astro chats, that's 17 years.
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Sorry, I was making a vain attempt at sarcasm! I couldn't believe that this crap had found it's way onto my Facebook!! The inglorious Lieder is getting desperate for followers I believe!
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It must be time for her to hold another membership/pledge drive.
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It must be time for her to hold another membership/pledge drive.
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I really didn't realise how far the tendrils spread, surely even the most gullible of folk would realise that no planet x is hovering around menacingly...
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You underestimate the stupidity of people, Elemental. Some weird beings are even investing some kind of religious feelings in Nancy`s scary pranks.

Of course a person with an average intellect can easily find out that all the lenseflares of Flareberto for example are not real. It is the same with the pictures of Soho which still always appear on the poleshit ning though everybody with some basic knowledge should know that you see pixel overflows here and some other artifacts. These people are so hungry for a Nibiru that they do not realize that they live their life in a fairy tale. Just take a closer look at some of the characters on the Ning - as for example Astrogirl50 or Poli (a well-know German lunatic) - and you see how far these people live away from reality.

For them every day is like they live in a kind of virtual comic-book which blows their minds up.


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