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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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A lot of her believers seemed to connect Nancy's crap with the equally odorous 2012 crap. A lot of Believers should be stopping by here with promised apologies in 2013...

...but they won't. The whole PX idea revealed much more about the Believer's character than anything else.
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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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A lot of her believers seemed to connect Nancy's crap with the equally odorous 2012 crap. A lot of Believers should be stopping by here with promised apologies in 2013...

...but they won't. The whole PX idea revealed much more about the Believer's character than anything else.
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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A lot of her believers seemed to connect Nancy's crap with the equally odorous 2012 crap. A lot of Believers should be stopping by here with promised apologies in 2013...

...but they won't. The whole PX idea revealed much more about the Believer's character than anything else.
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
 Quoting: Elemental


Sigh. Except it isn't clearly seen naked eye, filtered, or anything else.

What possible orbit would such an object have to hang around the Sun, from Earth's perpective, for years? It makes no sense, unless you also buy the world being flat.
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I wonder if FreeStore is still a believer.
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A lot of her believers seemed to connect Nancy's crap with the equally odorous 2012 crap. A lot of Believers should be stopping by here with promised apologies in 2013...

...but they won't. The whole PX idea revealed much more about the Believer's character than anything else.
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
 Quoting: Elemental


I bet he missed my 20/07/2012 Update including Nancy's comments about him.

In case someone missed it:
[link to docs.google.com (secure)]
Reply by Nancy Lieder on May 27, 2010 at 8:35pm

I know him, but would scarsely call him a friend. He emails me constantly, but it is in the context of HIS statements to dozens of people he feels should know about his opinion on things. He may have been in the GLP chats but not as a registered identity, not that I recall. When learning that GLP chats would stop, he immediately mailed me 9 questions and by the time he got here (where he was directed to go by me) it had arisen to 12. Most of these were just tacked on so he could be piggy about it, my take, not well thought out.

I agree with (Moderator 4) to give him enough rope to hang himself. I think he will realize he is not king in this environment, and like most bullies will pull back. If not, private advice (and I would probably be the vehicle for that) should be applied. He obviously values ZetaTalk, and I refused, flat out, to take his questions via email. My words "I didn't stop doing the chats on GLP to start taking questions via email". Maybe he's insecure? Afraid of being cut out of the action altogether? He is getting 3 questions addressed, so may settle down. He may try to compete, instead, by becoming the ZetaTalk expert and you know, that might not be bad.

I note when challenged to quote where the Zetas said the dispurants were harmless, he found the Zeta quote and posted them, proving me right and he wrong! So not altogether hopeless, there is a curve here.

and:

Reply by Nancy Lieder on November 11, 2010 at 12:35pm

Gordon has written to me that he will be on C2C also. Thus, if he is getting out there on the media (his fervent desire) and is such an advocate of ZT (he heavily values their advice and takes them dead serious) we should NOT suspend him!

I would treat him like we do Mr. X, as an excentric, with problems, but overall a contributor. Oh, I forgot the EGO! Big egos, some of these guys.


I'd be interested to hear what Gordon would think about this...

I personally love the,
"proving me right and he wrong! So not altogether hopeless, there is a curve here."5a - One more member for the ZT-cult.
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Poleshit-Nancy
"Besides, I've managed to keep people on the hook for 10 years now so I can probably keep them believing for at least another 10."
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Ten? She's been peddling her crap for seventeen years!
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
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Obviously, you have no clue about photography or optics.

That's a definite lens flare.

I could reproduce that image ad infinitum and have the supposed planet eX bounce all over the place.
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Linked through from a solar activity page on Facebook......

[link to www.ufodigest.com]
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Obviously, you have no clue about photography or optics.

That's a definite lens flare.

I could reproduce that image ad infinitum and have the supposed planet eX bounce all over the place.
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Obviously, he (Gordon) has no clue about photography or optics.

Elemental is no Nibi - I'm not sure about other tards. ;)



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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Ten? She's been peddling her crap for seventeen years!
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I was only going back to 2003 when her first and highly publicized "pole shift" date failed. But you're right - if you go back to when she first showed up on the sci.astro chats, that's 17 years.
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Sorry, I was making a vain attempt at sarcasm! I couldn't believe that this crap had found it's way onto my Facebook!! The inglorious Lieder is getting desperate for followers I believe!
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It must be time for her to hold another membership/pledge drive.
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It must be time for her to hold another membership/pledge drive.
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I really didn't realise how far the tendrils spread, surely even the most gullible of folk would realise that no planet x is hovering around menacingly...
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You underestimate the stupidity of people, Elemental. Some weird beings are even investing some kind of religious feelings in Nancy`s scary pranks.

Of course a person with an average intellect can easily find out that all the lenseflares of Flareberto for example are not real. It is the same with the pictures of Soho which still always appear on the poleshit ning though everybody with some basic knowledge should know that you see pixel overflows here and some other artifacts. These people are so hungry for a Nibiru that they do not realize that they live their life in a fairy tale. Just take a closer look at some of the characters on the Ning - as for example Astrogirl50 or Poli (a well-know German lunatic) - and you see how far these people live away from reality.

For them every day is like they live in a kind of virtual comic-book which blows their minds up.
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You underestimate the stupidity of people, Elemental. Some weird beings are even investing some kind of religious feelings in Nancy`s scary pranks.

Of course a person with an average intellect can easily find out that all the lenseflares of Flareberto for example are not real. It is the same with the pictures of Soho which still always appear on the poleshit ning though everybody with some basic knowledge should know that you see pixel overflows here and some other artifacts. These people are so hungry for a Nibiru that they do not realize that they live their life in a fairy tale. Just take a closer look at some of the characters on the Ning - as for example Astrogirl50 or Poli (a well-know German lunatic) - and you see how far these people live away from reality.

For them every day is like they live in a kind of virtual comic-book which blows their minds up.
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Yes Truther, you are quite right. My experience with *cults* is limited and I find it hard to imagine believing such nonsense. I have come to the conclusion that people such as Lieder, who manipulate and *govern* by fear are, themselves, fearful. Fearful of the reality that this world will continue without them, that they will be forgotten and leave no marked insight behind them.
One day there will surely be doom; we live through unprecedented times but unprecedented only because we now have the technology to observe that which has been unobservable.
Reality can be cruel, I suppose that escapism is a more happy state of mind whether that emotion is valid or not. It's when that escapism becomes a way of life opposed to reality that the problems are caused.
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Nancy needs to feel special. She enjoys having people hang on her every word. She got a taste of that prior to the failed 2003 prediction and subsequent "white lie" and ever since she has been trying to recoup that same level of followers and devotion. Unfortunately for her, she has never gotten one single prediction right, and there is only so much that even the most gullible can swallow before they come to the conclusion that she is FOS and move on. Looking at the dwindling numbers on the ning, she will probably come and post something here soon to try and snag some new followers that haven't heard of her before. A few years ago she was a moderator here and she ruled her threads with venom and a banning axe, but I think she has fallen out of favour with the owners of this site for bad mouthing them on the ning. Now she is just like any other nut case that has to pay for an upgraded membership to control the posting on their threads. Her old "chat" threads were kind of fun, but when this thread was started and the debunkers boycotted her threads it became apparent very quickly that most of her traffic was debunkers. Without the participation of the debunkers, her threads died out after 3 or 4 pages, when previously they were 25+ pages. Her popularity and fame are hugely overestimated. No matter how hard her little army of sock puppets tries to make it look like it is a thriving cult, Nancy will never recover from the white lie and the 7 of 10 fiasco. She should just retire and take up a new hobby like knitting.
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Nancy needs to feel special. She enjoys having people hang on her every word. She got a taste of that prior to the failed 2003 prediction and subsequent "white lie" and ever since she has been trying to recoup that same level of followers and devotion. Unfortunately for her, she has never gotten one single prediction right, and there is only so much that even the most gullible can swallow before they come to the conclusion that she is FOS and move on. Looking at the dwindling numbers on the ning, she will probably come and post something here soon to try and snag some new followers that haven't heard of her before. A few years ago she was a moderator here and she ruled her threads with venom and a banning axe, but I think she has fallen out of favour with the owners of this site for bad mouthing them on the ning. Now she is just like any other nut case that has to pay for an upgraded membership to control the posting on their threads. Her old "chat" threads were kind of fun, but when this thread was started and the debunkers boycotted her threads it became apparent very quickly that most of her traffic was debunkers. Without the participation of the debunkers, her threads died out after 3 or 4 pages, when previously they were 25+ pages. Her popularity and fame are hugely overestimated. No matter how hard her little army of sock puppets tries to make it look like it is a thriving cult, Nancy will never recover from the white lie and the 7 of 10 fiasco. She should just retire and take up a new hobby like knitting.
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Or maybe writing? She has all the elements of a fabulous pseudo-science fiction novel already in place.
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Nancy needs to feel special. She enjoys having people hang on her every word. She got a taste of that prior to the failed 2003 prediction and subsequent "white lie" and ever since she has been trying to recoup that same level of followers and devotion. Unfortunately for her, she has never gotten one single prediction right, and there is only so much that even the most gullible can swallow before they come to the conclusion that she is FOS and move on. Looking at the dwindling numbers on the ning, she will probably come and post something here soon to try and snag some new followers that haven't heard of her before. A few years ago she was a moderator here and she ruled her threads with venom and a banning axe, but I think she has fallen out of favour with the owners of this site for bad mouthing them on the ning. Now she is just like any other nut case that has to pay for an upgraded membership to control the posting on their threads. Her old "chat" threads were kind of fun, but when this thread was started and the debunkers boycotted her threads it became apparent very quickly that most of her traffic was debunkers. Without the participation of the debunkers, her threads died out after 3 or 4 pages, when previously they were 25+ pages. Her popularity and fame are hugely overestimated. No matter how hard her little army of sock puppets tries to make it look like it is a thriving cult, Nancy will never recover from the white lie and the 7 of 10 fiasco. She should just retire and take up a new hobby like knitting.
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Or maybe writing? She has all the elements of a fabulous pseudo-science fiction novel already in place.
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Nancy needs to feel special. She enjoys having people hang on her every word. She got a taste of that prior to the failed 2003 prediction and subsequent "white lie" and ever since she has been trying to recoup that same level of followers and devotion. Unfortunately for her, she has never gotten one single prediction right, and there is only so much that even the most gullible can swallow before they come to the conclusion that she is FOS and move on. Looking at the dwindling numbers on the ning, she will probably come and post something here soon to try and snag some new followers that haven't heard of her before. A few years ago she was a moderator here and she ruled her threads with venom and a banning axe, but I think she has fallen out of favour with the owners of this site for bad mouthing them on the ning. Now she is just like any other nut case that has to pay for an upgraded membership to control the posting on their threads. Her old "chat" threads were kind of fun, but when this thread was started and the debunkers boycotted her threads it became apparent very quickly that most of her traffic was debunkers. Without the participation of the debunkers, her threads died out after 3 or 4 pages, when previously they were 25+ pages. Her popularity and fame are hugely overestimated. No matter how hard her little army of sock puppets tries to make it look like it is a thriving cult, Nancy will never recover from the white lie and the 7 of 10 fiasco. She should just retire and take up a new hobby like knitting.
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Or maybe writing? She has all the elements of a fabulous pseudo-science fiction novel already in place.
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She has tried that. She wrote a screen play about the aftermath of the pole shift. It is a pathetic attempt at creative writing, the plot is something from a 50's B movie. It never sold, and she says it's because the STO powers that be have blocked this important bit of literature from making the big screen, part of a conspiracy.......She should stick to arts and crafts.
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Really?? Hilarious lol!! Gosh, it must be awful to have TPTB blocking your every move to expose the truth........!
I bet she'd knit little Zeta men though.....and probably manufacture a *knit yourself nibiru* kit.....available now at your local craft fair!
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Really?? Hilarious lol!! Gosh, it must be awful to have TPTB blocking your every move to expose the truth........!
I bet she'd knit little Zeta men though.....and probably manufacture a *knit yourself nibiru* kit.....available now at your local craft fair!
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ROFLMAO!!
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Really?? Hilarious lol!! Gosh, it must be awful to have TPTB blocking your every move to expose the truth........!
I bet she'd knit little Zeta men though.....and probably manufacture a *knit yourself nibiru* kit.....available now at your local craft fair!
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ROFLMAO!!
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She could even branch out into embroidery.....sew your own nibiru destruction scene......
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Hey, Elemental -- that certainly made me laugh.

I think it's too late to get those made and sold before 2012 is over... after that, I think there's a decided lack of widely-reported Doom for a few years, at least.

Maybe for 2036?
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Hey, Elemental -- that certainly made me laugh.

I think it's too late to get those made and sold before 2012 is over... after that, I think there's a decided lack of widely-reported Doom for a few years, at least.

Maybe for 2036?
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Hey 74444! how lovely to *hear* from you! I'm sure that something else will crop up; there is no lack of doompertunity here!
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Hey, Elemental -- that certainly made me laugh.

I think it's too late to get those made and sold before 2012 is over... after that, I think there's a decided lack of widely-reported Doom for a few years, at least.

Maybe for 2036?
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Hey 74444! how lovely to *hear* from you! I'm sure that something else will crop up; there is no lack of doompertunity here!
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Or should that be *doomportunity*?
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Hey, Elemental -- that certainly made me laugh.
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Me too.


I think there's a decided lack of widely-reported Doom for a few years, at least.

Maybe for 2036?
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December 2013 / January 2014:

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 1110)


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Hey, Elemental -- that certainly made me laugh.
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Me too.


I think there's a decided lack of widely-reported Doom for a few years, at least.

Maybe for 2036?
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December 2013 / January 2014:

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 1110)


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hehe...
Inspired me for this one:
[link to s14.directupload.net]

hf
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Hey, Elemental -- that certainly made me laugh.
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Me too.


I think there's a decided lack of widely-reported Doom for a few years, at least.

Maybe for 2036?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444

December 2013 / January 2014:

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 1110)


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 Quoting: Hydra


hehe...
Inspired me for this one:
[link to s14.directupload.net]

hf
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The "Time" scale is wrong.

Should be pointing down at least in 45° angle.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Or maybe writing? She has all the elements of a fabulous pseudo-science fiction novel already in place.
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She's tried her hands at writing. She has written two stories - one which she has claimed is going to made into a movie...hah!

I've read more than a few pages of both...beginning creative writing students write better than her.
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She has tried that. She wrote a screen play about the aftermath of the pole shift. It is a pathetic attempt at creative writing, the plot is something from a 50's B movie. It never sold, and she says it's because the STO powers that be have blocked this important bit of literature from making the big screen, part of a conspiracy.......She should stick to arts and crafts.
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The phame factory is still dicking around with her stuff. There's a short video about her...

[link to phamefactory.com]

...and supposedly they have "The Passage" in development.

The owner of that company must be one of her true believers.
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Or maybe writing? She has all the elements of a fabulous pseudo-science fiction novel already in place.
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She's tried her hands at writing. She has written two stories - one which she has claimed is going to made into a movie...hah!

I've read more than a few pages of both...beginning creative writing students write better than her.
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Hey!! I enjoyed "The Passage"!!
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Oh dear, got my first bad karma vote for not agreeing with a nibutard......ah well! At least I could remove it! These people are vicious lol!