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Just make sure to bring sun screen, it's heading for the middle of our summer so very hot over here
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Just make sure to bring sun screen, it's heading for the middle of our summer so very hot over here
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Thanks, already packed!
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Good to see you posting again, Menow.
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You too, 7 of 4444!
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Hey! Menow :D
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I'm visiting Cape Town for a week, flying out tomorrow; I'll let you know if noobooboo is visible from the southern hemisphere ;))
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We can tell you already, it's never been visible in Aussie
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I'm visiting Cape Town for a week, flying out tomorrow; I'll let you know if noobooboo is visible from the southern hemisphere ;))
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We can tell you already, it's never been visible in Aussie
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As far as I know it's never been visible anywhere except on a few deluded minds. I'm not saying that a couple of glasses of the local pinotage won't help my vision though lol!
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I'm visiting Cape Town for a week, flying out tomorrow; I'll let you know if noobooboo is visible from the southern hemisphere ;))
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We can tell you already, it's never been visible in Aussie
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Soon
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Been reading some of the various "believer" sites. They ALL parrot the same false "evidence" of Nibiru- that IRAS found it in 1983, and on and on and on and on and on... MOST of those false stories originated with Nancy Lieder.
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Been reading some of the various "believer" sites. They ALL parrot the same false "evidence" of Nibiru- that IRAS found it in 1983, and on and on and on and on and on... MOST of those false stories originated with Nancy Lieder.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


But, alas, Nancy Lieder's abilities (such as they are) have evolved from 2003. She has said that 2012 was too far out in the past, but has been really mum on timelines recently.

So, when 2012 comes and goes, a *lot* of Doom prophets will go poof. I have noticed a great amount of Nancy supporters have disappeared with the end of 2012 looming. But Nancy will continue onward, and will likely keep believing to death's door.

Her followers are the ones I find fascinating -- as they will continue to believe, even more strongly, as the failures pile up. Those attracted to other 2012 theories of Doom will be looking for something to fill the Doom void, and I wonder if some will find Nancy and her ranks will actually swell some...?

It's a sobering thought.
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Been reading some of the various "believer" sites. They ALL parrot the same false "evidence" of Nibiru- that IRAS found it in 1983, and on and on and on and on and on... MOST of those false stories originated with Nancy Lieder.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


But, alas, Nancy Lieder's abilities (such as they are) have evolved from 2003. She has said that 2012 was too far out in the past, but has been really mum on timelines recently.

So, when 2012 comes and goes, a *lot* of Doom prophets will go poof. I have noticed a great amount of Nancy supporters have disappeared with the end of 2012 looming. But Nancy will continue onward, and will likely keep believing to death's door.

Her followers are the ones I find fascinating -- as they will continue to believe, even more strongly, as the failures pile up. Those attracted to other 2012 theories of Doom will be looking for something to fill the Doom void, and I wonder if some will find Nancy and her ranks will actually swell some...?

It's a sobering thought.
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Yep. There is no telling what people will believe in the future. There is no logical basis for most of it now, except for the common denominator of conspiracy. Every single time I try to talk sense to any of the ones who believe in Nibiru, they ALWAYS revert to citing a giant conspiracy to hide the truth from us all and which keeps astronomers quiet.
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Been reading some of the various "believer" sites. They ALL parrot the same false "evidence" of Nibiru- that IRAS found it in 1983, and on and on and on and on and on... MOST of those false stories originated with Nancy Lieder.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


But, alas, Nancy Lieder's abilities (such as they are) have evolved from 2003. She has said that 2012 was too far out in the past, but has been really mum on timelines recently.

So, when 2012 comes and goes, a *lot* of Doom prophets will go poof. I have noticed a great amount of Nancy supporters have disappeared with the end of 2012 looming. But Nancy will continue onward, and will likely keep believing to death's door.

Her followers are the ones I find fascinating -- as they will continue to believe, even more strongly, as the failures pile up. Those attracted to other 2012 theories of Doom will be looking for something to fill the Doom void, and I wonder if some will find Nancy and her ranks will actually swell some...?

It's a sobering thought.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Her ability to "spin" things has gotten better. She keeps making failed predictions, but has devised universal excused she can insert when needed. Example: "Hands of man" and "element of doubt". Just those two can be used to "explain" most of her failed predictions... and they BUY it!

Of course, we don't hear much from the ones who don't buy that nonsense- their comments are purged from the Ning very quickly.
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shill
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Hmm. I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to convey with the smileys, there. Perhaps you would clarify?
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Been reading some of the various "believer" sites. They ALL parrot the same false "evidence" of Nibiru- that IRAS found it in 1983, and on and on and on and on and on... MOST of those false stories originated with Nancy Lieder.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


But, alas, Nancy Lieder's abilities (such as they are) have evolved from 2003. She has said that 2012 was too far out in the past, but has been really mum on timelines recently.

So, when 2012 comes and goes, a *lot* of Doom prophets will go poof. I have noticed a great amount of Nancy supporters have disappeared with the end of 2012 looming. But Nancy will continue onward, and will likely keep believing to death's door.

Her followers are the ones I find fascinating -- as they will continue to believe, even more strongly, as the failures pile up. Those attracted to other 2012 theories of Doom will be looking for something to fill the Doom void, and I wonder if some will find Nancy and her ranks will actually swell some...?

It's a sobering thought.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Yep. There is no telling what people will believe in the future. There is no logical basis for most of it now, except for the common denominator of conspiracy. Every single time I try to talk sense to any of the ones who believe in Nibiru, they ALWAYS revert to citing a giant conspiracy to hide the truth from us all and which keeps astronomers quiet.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


And, despite their supposed interest -- none of them *become amateur astronomers for themselves.*

Boggling.
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Been reading some of the various "believer" sites. They ALL parrot the same false "evidence" of Nibiru- that IRAS found it in 1983, and on and on and on and on and on... MOST of those false stories originated with Nancy Lieder.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


But, alas, Nancy Lieder's abilities (such as they are) have evolved from 2003. She has said that 2012 was too far out in the past, but has been really mum on timelines recently.

So, when 2012 comes and goes, a *lot* of Doom prophets will go poof. I have noticed a great amount of Nancy supporters have disappeared with the end of 2012 looming. But Nancy will continue onward, and will likely keep believing to death's door.

Her followers are the ones I find fascinating -- as they will continue to believe, even more strongly, as the failures pile up. Those attracted to other 2012 theories of Doom will be looking for something to fill the Doom void, and I wonder if some will find Nancy and her ranks will actually swell some...?

It's a sobering thought.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Yep. There is no telling what people will believe in the future. There is no logical basis for most of it now, except for the common denominator of conspiracy. Every single time I try to talk sense to any of the ones who believe in Nibiru, they ALWAYS revert to citing a giant conspiracy to hide the truth from us all and which keeps astronomers quiet.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


And, despite their supposed interest -- none of them *become amateur astronomers for themselves.*

Boggling.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Basically, they don't accept that there *IS* such a thing as amateur astronomy which knows much of anything. They seem to be people who have never truly applied themselves to any hard sciences or even a solid, physical trade of any kind. They all seem to wander about in a stupor of fantasy which is unrelated to physical reality. Yes- boggling, and you simply cannot talk sense to them. I'm not sure why I try. I guess it is just so fascinating to see how they rationalize what they believe.
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She claims it was allowed to happen by the Zetas/Council of Worlds to give the human race a pretaste. How crazy is this bullshit. Do the storms on earth have to ask for a permission?

 Quoting: Truther 26701635


Just like Hurricane Katrina, seven years ago, was supposed to be a taste of things to come when "Planet X" would cause a "pole shift" BEFORE 2012.

I've decided that a great number of the "supporters" she has on the ning are either 1) sock puppets/alter egos or 2) people who are just playing with her and feeding her delusion.
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Membership numbers are variable on Ning. If people are suspended, the total includes them in some places, like the Ning member counts in emails from Ning. Suspension tracks a person who tries to return with the same email address. However, if an account is deleted, the person is not counted as a "member," but can sign up again since their email address has been removed from that network. So, to say there are 745 members depends on where you are getting the total from. The "Members" tab (which last known was removed from public view on that ning) total is the correct figure.
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She claims it was allowed to happen by the Zetas/Council of Worlds to give the human race a pretaste. How crazy is this bullshit. Do the storms on earth have to ask for a permission?

 Quoting: Truther 26701635


Just like Hurricane Katrina, seven years ago, was supposed to be a taste of things to come when "Planet X" would cause a "pole shift" BEFORE 2012.

I've decided that a great number of the "supporters" she has on the ning are either 1) sock puppets/alter egos or 2) people who are just playing with her and feeding her delusion.
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Agreed. I think the rate would be somewhat 99 / 1 .

I think the following describes it pretty acurate:

"At one end of the continuum lies a soundly asleep citizen, confident in the idea that there is no need to worry about anything, that things are unfolding “normally” in the world as a whole, and that alarming hypotheses, regardless of whether they pertain to fears of war, ecological or monetary disasters, are nothing but rumors about which one should not fret.

At the other end of the continuum is a citizen who ingests every single alarming bit of information as forecasting disaster, in whatever domain, and who shelters himself in a self-constructed personal bunker."

[link to www.jp-petit.org]

(off-topic: JP-Petit offered some very interesting work in the MHD(MagnetoHydroDynamics)-field to eliminate "shockwaves", furthermore allow HyperSonic flight..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.jp-petit2.org] )

Back the ZT-victims.
I think everyone who landed there is more aware about the situation on earth than the common couch potatoes who're being indoctrinated daily. However the result with many of these "truth-seekers" is that they totally overmeet their goals and end up in illusions that best fit to their beliefs.
At some point someone becomes over-alerted about hidden agendas, disasters, conspiracies and the REAL situation on earth - that it is somewhat human that some stick their head in the sand and by clinging to the most comfortable version they found.

Regarding those who're left.. they truely are the "hardcore-believers". It can be assumed that most of them have heavily structured their lifes around the particular belief. Accordingly, they're not ready for a hard awakening yet... or at least they're subconsciously avoiding it.
Understandable... Everyone to its own time.

I often thought the same, Circuit.

She has definitely some sock puppets or alter egos running in her mind game to convince other newcomers who are not informed about her sect/ cult.

Her page doesn`t have any real informations, only wrong ones, and who should believe this nonsense if there were not some alter egos confirming that soup of shit?
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


Yes it is saddening that critique is not allowed in any manner which make it impossible to have transparency and giving the newbies a chance for other points of view.
Its an insta-trip into a dictatorial sect with "nifty" youtube videos, interactive maps and the daily updated FearHype-ning.

Did anybody notice that Astrogirl50 suddenly disappeared after we talked about her here? She has another nick now and probably she is either Nancy herself or Gerard the "dumbster" Zwaan. He is a really poor and weird guy whose biggest idol seems to be Ahmadinejad from Iran. This whole page is incredible. And I can not imagine that this Flareberto is real. He probably was born in a smartphone with some lenseshift.
 Quoting: Truther 26785456


Yep, gal has become silent and is now active under the alias "Ann S.".... [link to poleshift.ning.com]
Still being super-confident about the Great Cover-Up and Planet X... violin

But there were even some good guys in this spider net, like COS, who is going after her now. Even the German Zetatalk page had to be closed, but the former owner Niels Neumann is left outside now alone as a poor victim, both mentally and physically. His former sect brothers and sisters are ignoring him now as he is not interesting anymore for crazy Nancy and her bunch of poleshit. Who led the dogs out?

Oops, they have been eaten by crazy Nancy and her last weird followers!
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High-five mate!
To be honest, im glad that I was there... because it seemed I could fill a niché for that time aswell. :) Who knows who'll write the next expose? They occured since the beginning of ZT.... and yet most of it is lost in the jungle of information so it will occur again.. and then the true "separation" of the individuals occurs. Poleshift-time! For me it was a 180° turn!
sfan

lol. Cheers.
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Yep. There is no telling what people will believe in the future. There is no logical basis for most of it now, except for the common denominator of conspiracy. Every single time I try to talk sense to any of the ones who believe in Nibiru, they ALWAYS revert to citing a giant conspiracy to hide the truth from us all and which keeps astronomers quiet.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


And NONE of them will tell you how the U.S. government is able to silence EVERY astronomer on this planet. They give the government far more power than they actually have. If I were an astronomer and knew that some "rogue planet" was going to careen through the solar system wiping out 90% of life on this planet, I certainly wouldn't keep quiet. Why would the threat of death keep me quiet if I'm going to die in the "pole shift" anyway?
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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And, despite their supposed interest -- none of them *become amateur astronomers for themselves.*

Boggling.
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Exactly - in the 10 years they've had, NONE of them have contacted a local astronomy club or purchased their own telescope, learned how to use and then photograph this elusive "planet" to rub our "debunker" noses in it. They continue to present the same tired images of the sun shot through floppy disks and webcams or camera phones.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Something I always wanted to ask you CoS: why didn't you delete all your comments on the poleshift.ning website when you left?
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Because I took reference to it in my document i.e. to allow people to reproduce my claims.

BTW: I could have deleted anything of Nancy from the PS-Ning... but I didnt for the same reasons. It wouldn't make much of a difference because a Moderator does frequent backups and they'd probably use it for their advantage as they already did in the past by creating another hype out of it.

But this doesn't mean that I wasn't seriously considering it.
One click, and all of Nancy's BS from the PS-Ning could be gone.....A debunkers paradise?

:-) I just suspended her for the sake of it when I left, though not removing her content for the reasons above.
After all, her lies are copied everywhere and they're just waiting to be uncovered.
People need to be able to access both "sides" of opinions. Uncut.
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You suspended her? Go boy! LOL.
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Something I always wanted to ask you CoS: why didn't you delete all your comments on the poleshift.ning website when you left?
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Id be curious learning a bit more about others who have also been disenchanted by Nancy that the chap from Canada mentioned above.


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ZETAFART.COM has a growing compilation.
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lol....
You guys made my day..

Here's another:

Nancy Lieder had a cult.
E-I-E-I-O

And when she speaks, the weak believe -
E-I-E-I-O

With a Planet here,
a lenseflare there,
her followers wouldn't question her.

A fancy world,
with much comofort,
- the only price: your brain milord.

With here a claim,
and there a fail,
Nancy has a crapload-tail!

A dead one here,
a bankrupt there,
would it even bother her?

Some care less,
some care more,
But surely not the attention-whore...

Gaining Fame,
while others blame,
it soon will switch - the bloody game.

Her body old,
her soul is sold,
without her we'll have a better world.


hf
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Bravo! {The crowd applauds.}
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So did people set their clocks? What does that say about Earth Halted in Orbit?
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Remember, *giggle*, when Nancy, *snort*, claimed that the date for, *hee hee*, Daylight Saving Time was changed to keep people from seeing "Planet X" in the morning on their way to work? LOL! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
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Wait! What?!? OMG! Are you kidding? It wasn't true? Crap! What am I gonna do? Oh, my. Uh... how can I exist without Nancy telling me what to think. I'm faaaaaalliiiiiiiiinggggggggggg.

Ouch! It hurts when the rug gets pulled out from under ya!
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The Pole Shift: A Message of Hope

Posted by astrogal50 on November 5, 2012 at 10:39am
It appears some who accept the truth about Planet X and the pending pole shift are becoming understandably discouraged and disheartened.

But it is not all doom and gloom, folks, because the Transformation is now.


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56 days until the next FAIL of Poleshit-Nancy.



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Edit:
Link: [link to poleshift.ning.com]


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It's already a fail. I called no 7 of 10 at the end of 2010. I call no poleshift before the end of 2012, too!
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Even earthchanges ning - a not very popular page - has more members now than crazy Nancy`s poleshit/lenseshift ning.
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Is this Lothar speaking? If so, this is just sour grapes you were suspended from earthchanges ning for cause. Why, it was a good site in your eyes, until you were suspended. You said so yourself on your website, remember?

In fact, the blog that outlined why you were ousted could be reposted so everyone could be reminded of the truth. You're still a Nancyphile, aren't you? You're still using her tactics and talking just like her, trying to influence opinion. The few who do that have agendas. Nobody else cares.
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Can't post Poleshit screenshots as custom smilies:
"A custom smilie you recently uploaded has not been approved, for the following reason: troll crap from another forum, so no."
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I would bet that it is more to do with Nancy complaining to the mods here about being quoted. She complained some time ago about stuff from the ning being reproduced here, copyright infringement she called it.
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Poleshit-Nancy and copyright infringement?

LOL

Ask #Geomagnetic_Storm# (Marketselloff), Reuters, dpa, ... how Poleshit-Nancy thinks about copyright infringement.


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Three times poleshift.ning lost copyright infringements. The first one, for sure, had her pawprints all over it.
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...

I hope that Nancy Lieder dies soon. Really!

 Quoting: Truther 27379822


You actually hope she dies, "Truther"? Wow. That says a lot about you.

Don't you think a nursing home with no internet would be the better option?
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Gawd! Here, the "Zetas" outline all the reasons a announcement of PX by Obama will not cause a panic! This flies directly in the face of all the reasoning used to explain why they allegedly had to hide the effects of PX from the population. The contradiction is so glaring as to be unavoidable by even the most dense Ningers (one would think).

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
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Yes, it does. I think the cognitive dissonance is growing stronger day by day.
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Yeah, but it depends on how you define "information". If a generation of people has decided that they know where to go for "information" and expect it to be ready and waiting, they are susceptible to whatever they encounter and quickly absorb. It allows certain ideas and memes to run rampant whether they are valid and have a rational basis or not.

It's a very curious time for Humanity.
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It's a scary time for humanity. Not having important information embedded in your memory means if you need it quick, or the internet is down, what do you have? In addition to memory, I keep hard copies and books. Another study done by UCLA on the impacts of the internet on the human brain also showed how our brains are being rewired by the internet.
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Yeah, but it depends on how you define "information". If a generation of people has decided that they know where to go for "information" and expect it to be ready and waiting, they are susceptible to whatever they encounter and quickly absorb. It allows certain ideas and memes to run rampant whether they are valid and have a rational basis or not.

It's a very curious time for Humanity.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


It's a scary time for humanity. Not having important information embedded in your memory means if you need it quick, or the internet is down, what do you have? In addition to memory, I keep hard copies and books. Another study done by UCLA on the impacts of the internet on the human brain also showed how our brains are being rewired by the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21075357


Yes... I saw a show on PBS yesterday where the host went up against a teenager on trying to recognize certain changes on a screen. Everyone assumed the teenager would be better at it from all the digital 'multitasking' he had done. NOPE! The older guy completely smoked him- something about not being able to maintain a focus on one thing for any length of time was thought to be the problem for the young guy. Heh.

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