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There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".

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:lol4me: I yawned through her entire video presentation.

Once we get beyond 2012 I guess these "doomer" people are gonna have to find them some "newwww" dates to keep the "PX" BS going.
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger


Yeah... her stuff is really lame. She has several vids and is doing an internet radio show too. The vids are just regurgitations of the insipid Neumayer stuff and other nonsense and I guess it just gets to me that these people repeat stuff that has been so thoroughly debunked. Then people come on there are congratulate her for providing her "research" to them and repeat OTHER nonsense they have heard and accepted as true.

These new "news" sources like "ireport" are the Nibirutards newest venue for pushing their crap and people don't care to notice that it doesn't have to be REAL to end up on there.

Seriously- I have gotten too obsessed with what these idiots are believing and doing. It's like I want to "show them the light" or something, but they never seem to want anything other than what they have already decided to believe.

Is there a 'Nibiru-anonymous' chapter around? I may need a 12-step program...
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I had a discussion with some kids not long ago. The gist of it was that they feel lucky that they don't have to memorize things anymore like the old folks did, because anything they need to know can be found using google and wikepedia on their smart phones. One of them even said that if you don't want to read there is usually a video on youtube that explains it all for you. No sense carrying a lot of unnecessary information in the brain, they said, life's too short. When I asked them how they find the correct information in a sea of advertising, false information and opinion, they just blank stared at me. I reminded them that anyone can fake a video, that photoshop can be used to fake anything if the faker knows how to use it and that wikepedia is not a reliable source, and that none of the information on the internet is of any use if the net were to go down, then what would they do? They got a little hostile and remembered they had to be somewhere else. This is why people like Nancy, Clif and the like have such an easy time leading the ignorant by the nose.
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I had a discussion with some kids not long ago. The gist of it was that they feel lucky that they don't have to memorize things anymore like the old folks did, because anything they need to know can be found using google and wikepedia on their smart phones. One of them even said that if you don't want to read there is usually a video on youtube that explains it all for you. No sense carrying a lot of unnecessary information in the brain, they said, life's too short. When I asked them how they find the correct information in a sea of advertising, false information and opinion, they just blank stared at me. I reminded them that anyone can fake a video, that photoshop can be used to fake anything if the faker knows how to use it and that wikepedia is not a reliable source, and that none of the information on the internet is of any use if the net were to go down, then what would they do? They got a little hostile and remembered they had to be somewhere else. This is why people like Nancy, Clif and the like have such an easy time leading the ignorant by the nose.
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Wow. That is a very telling anecdote. They are substituting the internet in place of having their own personal knowledge and seeing nothing wrong with that.

On the other hand, I have seen a lot of older people who have fallen for Nancy's story. It's somehow quite seductive for some people. I know I gave Nancy the benefit of the doubt until images of her coordinates first came out in 2001 and I saw how she spun them into a "hit" on her prediction. They were no such thing, but a majority of her followers couldn't seem to see through her BS.
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PS: The people I knew who built the retreat in the national forest to save them from "Planet X" were highly educated and intelligent- still they bought into it. I think that may have been where I first heard about Nancy and the "Zetas". Interestingly, those people I knew were also doing a sort of "channeling" activity, and whatever they were communicating with was backing up the basic PX story. I have said, many times, that I believe Nancy is "channeling", whatever that might be, technically. I know most people think that sort of thing is always faked, but I have known too many people, up close and personal, who have been involved in doing that sort of thing and I know they were not intentionally "faking" it. I can't say I understand what is really going on, but I do believe Nancy is getting input from whatever "Zetas" is.
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BAN melfy THE PAID TROLL NOW!!!!
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Testing to see if I can post.

I was banned yesterday trying to respond to the latest anti-vaccine thread.
If I were a conspiracist I might think somebody is being protected from posts that make them uncomfortable.

Have you noticed that Wonkish has deleted his/her account?
I wonder what happened. W was a rationalist even though I am on the other side of the aisle from him/her politically.

Not sure where that leaves us as to debunker friendly mods...

Have fun.


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I wonder if the 2012 doomsayers are getting worried yet. After all, we're only a month away from December 21 and there's no sign of apocalypse. If doom were coming in the form of some galactic alignment or passing through the center of some spacial anomaly as some have predicted, then we would be feeling the affects of that already.
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I wonder if the 2012 doomsayers are getting worried yet. After all, we're only a month away from December 21 and there's no sign of apocalypse. If doom were coming in the form of some galactic alignment or passing through the center of some spacial anomaly as some have predicted, then we would be feeling the affects of that already.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


If they follow the usual pattern, their faith will *strengthen* as December 21st approaches. When the world is still here on the 22nd, some will call it quits, but that will be a minority. A majority of followers, having invested too much of themselves in the idea already, will believe *even more fervently than before,* and buy whatever excuse the doomsayers come up with as to why December 21st failed.

It will be interesting to observe.
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PS: The people I knew who built the retreat in the national forest to save them from "Planet X" were highly educated and intelligent- still they bought into it. I think that may have been where I first heard about Nancy and the "Zetas". Interestingly, those people I knew were also doing a sort of "channeling" activity, and whatever they were communicating with was backing up the basic PX story. I have said, many times, that I believe Nancy is "channeling", whatever that might be, technically. I know most people think that sort of thing is always faked, but I have known too many people, up close and personal, who have been involved in doing that sort of thing and I know they were not intentionally "faking" it. I can't say I understand what is really going on, but I do believe Nancy is getting input from whatever "Zetas" is.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


That is interesting. I would agree about the claim that also "highly educated people" aren't excempt from falling for Nancy's BS...

In fact I made the same observation among the Moderators:
Some are very smart but when it comes to ZetaTalk they avoid any conflicts with logic.

Also,
I don't know how to describe it but I noticed that believers often slowly start to wildly connect sensations.

For example:
They deal the whole day with PX/PS-related topics which leads them to dream about it - (logically because their brain deals with it).

After they dreamed something PS-related they start assuming that their dreams must have had a particular reason, a purpose or even visionary-aspects because it seemingly fits to their conscious belief.

Another Example:
Someone feels rather uneasy, having headaches etc...
Now, since having headaches or "simply having a bad day" is not considered realistic, they assume it must be the Magnetosphere or some other hidden influence.

Another Example:
Someone had a weird sensation, or just a "bare hunch" about something...
It is assumed that this hunch has a particular reason that usally stays in accordance with their belief. Like:
"Feeling uneasy?" - "Something big must be pending"...


Im sure there is a psychological "term" to describe this behaviour... however it shows how far these people draw relations between stuff that really isn't connected at all.

Regarding Channeling, in my mind this "channeling" could be described by the same mechanisms. I.e. someone deals so much with the desire (channeling) that the unconscious-mind starts to adapt and manifest the desired way.

That said,
I'd be interested to hear how these "channeled information" appeared to you and wether they contained anything factual or something that hinted they aren't just made-up-information by their minds.?

Thanks.

Even earthchanges ning - a not very popular page - has more members now than crazy Nancy`s poleshit/lenseshift ning.
 Quoting: Truther 27192679


Is this Lothar speaking? If so, this is just sour grapes you were suspended from earthchanges ning for cause. Why, it was a good site in your eyes, until you were suspended. You said so yourself on your website, remember?

In fact, the blog that outlined why you were ousted could be reposted so everyone could be reminded of the truth. You're still a Nancyphile, aren't you? You're still using her tactics and talking just like her, trying to influence opinion. The few who do that have agendas. Nobody else cares.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21075357


First, Welcome! :)
Second, Why do you think Lothar is a Nancyphile?
I really dont see any rational reason to assume this... in fact the way his site currently looks, his character and the way he talked about her indicated he's rather "Nancyphob"?
I mean, it looks he's looking for his answers elsewhere but I dont see him supporting Nancy anywhere... (except some info's about the PX-theory)..

Just my opinion.
Anway, glad to have you here.

I wonder if the 2012 doomsayers are getting worried yet. After all, we're only a month away from December 21 and there's no sign of apocalypse. If doom were coming in the form of some galactic alignment or passing through the center of some spacial anomaly as some have predicted, then we would be feeling the affects of that already.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I wonder about that aswell and I think Yes - they are getting (increasingly) worried, impatient.

If applied to the PS-Ning I would think that on the surface people may present calmness but as a former moderator I know that things are not always what they seem over there.
Behind the curtain (lets say unconsciously) they are sick of Nancy's excuses already and Im sure it will slowly become more apparent on the surface.

I think people will increasingly demand timelines or anything that will give them the comfort to believe that the changes are actually happening.
Since we're hardly noticing any doom-and-gloom I think the conflict between their irrationable mind and their unconsciousness will increase.

Hopefully, they'll listen to their "hearts".

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Another of the other odd things the "believers" do is throw out what they consider to be "scientific facts", supporting the existence of PX, but when you point out how wrong their specifics are, they go off on a tangent where they claim that science is basically worthless and can't really ever know anything. In other words, they only want to hear "science" which support their beliefs. Sigh... If it wasn't so truly sad, it would be funny.
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That's rampant on conspiracy sites and not just from the PX people. Part of the game is exaggerating the academic credentials of anyone who has said anything that can be used in support of the conspiracy theory.
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I have said, many times, that I believe Nancy is "channeling", whatever that might be, technically. I know most people think that sort of thing is always faked, but I have known too many people, up close and personal, who have been involved in doing that sort of thing and I know they were not intentionally "faking" it. I can't say I understand what is really going on, but I do believe Nancy is getting input from whatever "Zetas" is.
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We've had this discussion a number of times over the years--I also believe in "channeling" (whatever that may be) but I still think Nancy is faking it. For one thing Nancy can identify questions that the "Zetas" won't be able to answer.
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Regarding Channeling, in my mind this "channeling" could be described by the same mechanisms. I.e. someone deals so much with the desire (channeling) that the unconscious-mind starts to adapt and manifest the desired way.

That said,
I'd be interested to hear how these "channeled information" appeared to you and wether they contained anything factual or something that hinted they aren't just made-up-information by their minds.?

Thanks.

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


How it "appeared to me"? Well, I was saying that some of it was along the same general lines as Nancy's basic story. Why? I have no idea. I have seen that numerous times from people who I know were not connected in any way, and originally it was before the internet even existed to spread the "pole shift" idea around. I first heard that idea from a "channeled" source in the mid-late 1980s. The people I was speaking about in the previous post were "in communication" with some entity(s?) or other who were confirming the general idea of pending cataclysmic events, ala Nancy Lieder. Those people where led to believe that it was imminent. I never saw them actually "channeling" the info. I'm not sure what specific techniques were used to receive the info.

Other instances of "channeling" I have observed were a strange combination of practical advice and mysterious "woo" stuff. Some of it seemed accurate and some of it seemed to be just stupidly false and wrong. Some of it seemed helpful and some of it seemed manipulative. On the other hand, some of it has explained personal experiences I have had which made no sense at all in the "normal" context of the "real" world- I won't go into that part.

I don't know- it's a mystery. I only know that it's not as simple as people just "faking" it.
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I have said, many times, that I believe Nancy is "channeling", whatever that might be, technically. I know most people think that sort of thing is always faked, but I have known too many people, up close and personal, who have been involved in doing that sort of thing and I know they were not intentionally "faking" it. I can't say I understand what is really going on, but I do believe Nancy is getting input from whatever "Zetas" is.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


We've had this discussion a number of times over the years--I also believe in "channeling" (whatever that may be) but I still think Nancy is faking it. For one thing Nancy can identify questions that the "Zetas" won't be able to answer.
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I think it's both, in Nancy's case. It's a lot like the whole "Ramtha" thing with JZ Knight. I think she was both connecting with something and then just making it up at other times. I think Nancy believes in her "Zetas" so strongly that she can't let them ever be wrong- it would destroy her, psychologically, to have to admit to herself that "they" are not what she has believed them to be all this time. She just has so much invested in the whole thing. I have said before that I have observed the "always right" thing from other "channels". These people end up with a great deal personally invested in the whole thing.
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I wonder if the 2012 doomsayers are getting worried yet. After all, we're only a month away from December 21 and there's no sign of apocalypse. If doom were coming in the form of some galactic alignment or passing through the center of some spacial anomaly as some have predicted, then we would be feeling the affects of that already.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


If they follow the usual pattern, their faith will *strengthen* as December 21st approaches. When the world is still here on the 22nd, some will call it quits, but that will be a minority. A majority of followers, having invested too much of themselves in the idea already, will believe *even more fervently than before,* and buy whatever excuse the doomsayers come up with as to why December 21st failed.

It will be interesting to observe.
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I am not a *quitter*.
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A friendly bump to say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
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Well for crazy nancy Lieder this celebration is not the real deal.

It should be ... let us slaughter our dogs and other pets and have a barbecue (like in 2003)!

Happy Thankshotdog!

Because Nibiru will come in 2021! We should prepare for it!
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There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


lol4me I yawned through her entire video presentation.

Once we get beyond 2012 I guess these "doomer" people are gonna have to find them some "newwww" dates to keep the "PX" BS going.
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rofl...."(on parole)".....yep that would be about right there, Melfster "The Jailbird"!!! lol4me
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There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


lol4me I yawned through her entire video presentation.

Once we get beyond 2012 I guess these "doomer" people are gonna have to find them some "newwww" dates to keep the "PX" BS going.
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Farsight Institute - by June.
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Oh pleaseeee!!!

Do you really really put any credence into that "wishy washy" crapola called "remote viewing"?
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Farsight Institute - by June.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax*** (on parole) 26442554


Oh pleaseeee!!!

Do you really really put any credence into that "wishy washy" crapola called "remote viewing"?
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LOL @ TLR...

I can only say that given his past history..

maxipad probably does indeed believe in it...

but what on earth led you to say that it wasnt something he found too outlandish to believe in?

(yes my dictionary has sarcasm in it, so has mine, hence this reply)

;-)
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So far we haven't found anything out there that is `too outlandish' for melfy to believe in...

`post it online and he shall believe' to paraphrase...
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So far we haven't found anything out there that is `too outlandish' for melfy to believe in...

`post it online and he shall believe' to paraphrase...
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Yesterday was Thanksgiving. I'm thankful for NEW WOO FROM CLIF!!!!
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Comment by Nancy Lieder 12 hours ago
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1rof1

The"e" filters confirm each other! - Yes to be showing glare, lenseflares and other reflections. Yes they confirm there isn't anything physical out there, congratulations Flareberto father of the Flareolusion.crazy

Why is Nancy always the first to comment on Flareberto's posts?
A: Because she needs to assure that nobody will question her "ultimate" interpretation whatsoever - right from the start.

What does this tell about her? I guess she's frightened that people would not agree with her "story"... I haven't seen her doing this so explicitly elsewhere. She must be getting desperate.

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I'm thinking out loud here, what will Nancy do when Nibiru doesn't show up ? surely she won't give yet another date ? will she still have the believers now believing her then ? will she gain more believers that fail to research her ?
Are people really that delusional and gullible ?
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I'm thinking out loud here, what will Nancy do when Nibiru doesn't show up ? surely she won't give yet another date ? will she still have the believers now believing her then ? will she gain more believers that fail to research her ?
Are people really that delusional and gullible ?
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Apparently you don't know that she ALREADY backed off of her "2012 is too far out..." claim. She started making excuses for that one not being valid at least two years ago.
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What the hell is "prg Nasa FV"?
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What the hell is "prg Nasa FV"?
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I wondered about that too.
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I'm thinking out loud here, what will Nancy do when Nibiru doesn't show up ?
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She'll just keep making up excuses. She'll die before she ever admits she was wrong.
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Well making excuses seens to be one of crazy Nancy Lieder`s favourite hobbies. But why do her retarded followers always swallow these very lame excuses which only prove that all her predictions are 100 % wrong.

Big cataclysms 2000: deadly wrong.
Nibiru showing up in 2003: deadly wrong.
Now it is only a matter of weeks not months: after her incredible 2003 hoax.
Jakarta and half south east Asia are sunk: deadly wrong.
The poleshift will happen far before 2012: another disaster.
Obama will announce Nibiru in September 2012: incredible ridiculous and of course deadly wrong.


And these are only some highlights in a long list of 1001 failed predictions. Some other freaky Gurus like Harold Camping only got two shots in the dark aka two incredible failures. There simply are no Zetas and it is all a fake-story of crazy Nancy and her last desperate Mods.

There simply is no Nobiru and it never existed (apart from an idea far out in our solar system/ called Tyche).

Inventing lenseflares and showing each other camera artifacts can`t compensate the reality. If you only look at the different lenseflares on the pics of Flarestupido aka BurningBerto aka CaptainNobrainaround you will easily see that these pics show nothing and are completely different. If there were such big object close to the sun in Italy every idiot here with a low budget telescope or a good eye could see them. Nobody would need a smartphone with a cheap cam producing flares.

And holding the storage medium of old floppy-discs in front of the lense of the smart phone, like they all do: how stupid and infantile can grown-up people act? Even a child in the kindergarten could understand this mechanism of producing odd lenseflares.


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