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Well, Obama was sworn in as President and surprise, surprise! No announcement about "Planet X" afterwards. The closest thing the ningtards will EVER get to an announcement of "Planet X" from the Obama administration is excuses from the "Zetas" as to why it never happens.
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Well, Obama was sworn in as President and surprise, surprise! No announcement about "Planet X" afterwards. The closest thing the ningtards will EVER get to an announcement of "Planet X" from the Obama administration is excuses from the "Zetas" as to why it never happens.
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Looks like they're currently in the low... so it shouldn't be long until Nancy comes up with the next exiting news to renew the focus.... to be followed again by another low.. and the cycle starts again violin

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Well, I also have to leave you for some time. Nobody is perfect and I want to see the world as it is. So I will spend some months in Asia like Hydra (and South America).
When Im your enemy im one of the worst, but as a friend one of the best. And I like the world as it is.

Of course there are no Nobeeryous around and no other things. Unfortunately I can not visit Jakarta this time, because I have some other resorts in my mind. But I like the asian women…though not all.

I still remember this Andrew when I was a member of the Ning. Of course I was not there to be his friend. He was a fanatic. I gave the whole page a new look back in 2010. Nancy and the dogs.

Andrew was so tough, such a strong believer. I was posting a soho-pic at that time and he immediately attacked me. Nancy said, the sun is not responsible for the changes? Very aggressive, -like a real cult victim.

Now you can see what happened with Andrew. He bought a house in a so called “safe location” somewhere in nowhereland, his wife got a baby, he lost his job and nowhere to go anymore.

And his so called “safe location” got his own personal disaster. Well, he was stupid to follow Nancy. And the real aliens live in Hinterholz 8, an old Austrian parody which describes Zetatalk the best.


Welcome on earth you Nancy-Zetas! Andrew got a victim like Niels Neumann and others….! And no aliens are around to cure their wounds!

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Well, I also have to leave you for some time. Nobody is perfect and I want to see the world as it is. So I will spend some months in Asia like Hydra (and South America).
When Im your enemy im one of the worst, but as a friend one of the best. And I like the world as it is.

Of course there are no Nobeeryous around and no other things. Unfortunately I can not visit Jakarta this time, because I have some other resorts in my mind. But I like the asian women…though not all.

I still remember this Andrew when I was a member of the Ning. Of course I was not there to be his friend. He was a fanatic. I gave the whole page a new look back in 2010. Nancy and the dogs.

Andrew was so tough, such a strong believer. I was posting a soho-pic at that time and he immediately attacked me. Nancy said, the sun is not responsible for the changes? Very aggressive, -like a real cult victim.

Now you can see what happened with Andrew. He bought a house in a so called “safe location” somewhere in nowhereland, his wife got a baby, he lost his job and nowhere to go anymore.

And his so called “safe location” got his own personal disaster. Well, he was stupid to follow Nancy. And the real aliens live in Hinterholz 8, an old Austrian parody which describes Zetatalk the best.


Welcome on earth you Nancy-Zetas! Andrew got a victim like Niels Neumann and others….! And no aliens are around to cure their wounds!
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Grow up, Kid!
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Well, I also have to leave you for some time. Nobody is perfect and I want to see the world as it is. So I will spend some months in Asia like Hydra (and South America).
When Im your enemy im one of the worst, but as a friend one of the best. And I like the world as it is.
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Who said you need to be perfect? tounge Enjoy that timeout and the sun! Asia and Southamerica? Sounds like traveling the world. hf

See ya!

RE: Nancy Hinterholz and the Zetas,


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Grow up, Kid!
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I only see one kid in this thread and this is you stupid cult-boy. Get a life you moron and try to leave the cult to find back into reality again.
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Well, I suppose it had to happen eventually. 74444 here, and it looks like I've been permanently banned from GLP. I suppose I crushed IDW one too many times. Ah, well. Someone else will need to remind him of his upcoming failures on both the summer and winter solstices, and the fact we're still here in January, 2014.

So I'm here at a coffee shop, and wanted to say so long to people, at least until I get unbanned someday. I want to say thanks to all the various debunkers for a lot of fun over the years.

To Nancy and the other zeta-lurkers reading this: your inabity to rationally defend your position either here or elsewhere demonstrates that your *idea* is weak, not anything wrong with your critics. This year, PX will now be a *decade* overdue. How long will you wait until you can admit that Nancy is simply and finally wrong? Ever?

I'll check to see if I am still banned from time to time, so until such time as I'm not, be well.
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I've also been banned and denied unbanning.
Apparently certain anti-vaccine loons are protected and opposing them is not allowed.

Be careful who you debunk as debunking seems to be becoming a frowned upon activity.


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Well, I suppose it had to happen eventually. 74444 here, and it looks like I've been permanently banned from GLP. I suppose I crushed IDW one too many times. Ah, well. Someone else will need to remind him of his upcoming failures on both the summer and winter solstices, and the fact we're still here in January, 2014.

So I'm here at a coffee shop, and wanted to say so long to people, at least until I get unbanned someday. I want to say thanks to all the various debunkers for a lot of fun over the years.

To Nancy and the other zeta-lurkers reading this: your inabity to rationally defend your position either here or elsewhere demonstrates that your *idea* is weak, not anything wrong with your critics. This year, PX will now be a *decade* overdue. How long will you wait until you can admit that Nancy is simply and finally wrong? Ever?

I'll check to see if I am still banned from time to time, so until such time as I'm not, be well.
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I've also been banned and denied unbanning.
Apparently certain anti-vaccine loons are protected and opposing them is not allowed.

Be careful who you debunk as debunking seems to be becoming a frowned upon activity.


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Yep. They call you a "shill", but if you call them a paranoid idiot they complain to somebody and get you banned.
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Well, two days since Obama was inaugurated and still no announcement about "Planet X."
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They will probably wait till the end of the year. Of course there will never be such an announcement. Then Nancy will invent something new to keep them entertained, so that they forget the announcement of Obama.

Cults always follow the same pattern. And the last few followers of Nancy are so horny for doom that they will swallow everything she will tell them (remember the poor Zeta-Maxwell). Of course the result will always stay the same. They wait for something that doesn`t exist.

So Nancy will have to keep them entertained and will always try to make complete fools out of them. All cults work like this.
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Now you can see what happened with Andrew.
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Wankmeister Andy is just a useful idiot for stinkin' Nancy. He doesn't seem to be a bad person, just a gullible idiot.

Thread: "Let me express my extreme point of view..."

I'm pretty sure he quote: "i DO IT :jerkit: to myself in bed, letting it go free where and how it does" to images of Nancy
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Wow! This Andrew Veresay is a real perverted one. A madman!



He was probably masturbating in front of a four year old child.

Thread: "Let me express my extreme point of view..."

No wonder that he ended up in a weird cult.

And he only washes every second week. What a stinking tard...

Read this thread and you can smell how much he stinks.
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Nancy matches all criteria, except she claims she gets her info from aliens. spock

A great (rather long) article for the pX-believers:
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What is Pseudoscience?

Pseudosciences are practises that masquerade themselves as science but have little or no scientific rigour or cohesion to them. They claim to be factual and scientific, yet do not adhere to scientific methodology and principles; notably the scientific principle of falsifiability.

It can be difficult for the non-scientist to discern whether something being claimed as scientific actually is or not. Fortunately pseudoscience has many recognisable features that are distinct from genuine science. These features are outlined below. Whilst not every feature will be common to every form of pseudoscience, any claimed scientific practise that displays at least some of these features is increasingly likely to be pseudoscientific.

Features of pseudoscience:

It's dogmatic.

A dogmatic belief or position is one that is deemed, by its proponents, to be accepted authority; and as such, not to be doubted or disputed. Pseudosciences tend to have evolved very little, or not at all, since the dogma was first established. Any research or experimentation that is carried out in the field is generally done more to justify the belief than to improve knowledge.

In science, observations are made, a hypothesis is formed, data are gathered and testing is done, and if the results of testing supports the hypothesis, a theory (provisional conclusion) is formulated. If any evidence comes to light that invalidates the conclusion, the conclusion will be rejected and a replacement theory sought. In pseudoscience, they begin with a solid conclusion (such as 'homeopathy works'), form theories as to why it works, collect data that support the conclusion and reject or explain away data that doesn't; which inevitably results in the conclusion being confirmed. With this system, no evidence is capable of contradicting the conclusion.

Challenging the accepted dogma is often considered a hostile act; such challenges will be fought off with attacks on the critic's character or motives rather than embraced as a way of testing claims as in real science. As a consequence, the same arguments and counter-arguments are seen time and again: scientists give reasons why the practise is a pseudoscience; the pseudoscientists respond with excuses and attacks on scientists and/or science itself.

The idea is aimed directly at the public.

Scientific breakthroughs will normally have been published in science journals, scrutinised by other scientists, and only announced to the public once scientists have agreed that the scientific breakthrough is indeed genuine. The progress of the acceptance of the idea will be documented and anyone can reference this information in the relevant journals.

Pseudoscientific ideas are sometimes driven by cultural or ideological reasons, but very often they're driven by commercial goals. A company that is trying to sell its products or ideas without having gone through this scientific scrutiny is giving out a telltale sign that their products will not stand up to scientific scrutiny. A new 'miracle breakthrough' healing device, for example, that is being sold directly to the public, but which has no science references to support it, probably doesn't work.

Ideas that are non-testable.

A crucial problem with many pseudoscientific ideas is that they cannot be tested in any meaningful way. This can come about because what is being claimed is so nebulous and vague it is difficult to conceive of how one would test it. Also, such vagueness facilitates a legion of 'possible' interpretations where just about anything could be made to fit the outcome to support the original claim. If a claim or theory cannot be tested then it cannot be falsified and thus it violates a central principle of science (that of falsifiability: see Braithwaite, 2006; Carroll, 2004). If a theory cannot be falsified then no evidence can be gleaned that would speak to the issue one way or the other - it is thus scientifically meaningless. Ideas that cannot be tested are no more right than there are completely wrong.

Verbose language and prose.

One reason that theories from pseudoscience are vague and untestable is that the language used by the proponents is far too vacuous itself. This often results in a 'theory' that is so conceptually slippery it becomes difficult to identify what is actually being argued - or how one might test it. Due to their nebulous content, such practices also nearly always hide all sorts of circular reasoning errors. Over-complex words, phrases and over-long sentences are employed in an attempt to 'look' scientific and intelligent.

Indeed, in pseudoscience the more scientific-type language employed, the more 'plausible' it appears to be. However, all this really accomplishes is confusion. Poorly defined terms like 'energy' 'resonance' 'quantum' 'nano' 'dimensions' are all used with no useful explicit definitions provided. They are meant to look scientific, to look respectable in order to add weight to an idea which is in reality both implausible and improbable. Poor writing often reflects poor thought and poor understanding. Whenever one encounters flowery and verbose language it is likely the authors / speakers do not fully understand what they are talking about. Verbose language is used to fill-in the gaps of knowledge by making it sound as if something profound and insightful is being said, when in fact the sentence rarely goes anywhere!

Conceptual hijacking.

An increasing trend in contemporary pseudoscience is to hijack aspects from mainstream science in an attempt to appear more scientific. This is usually done with very new areas of science where the public's understanding (and that of scientists themselves), is low. Recent examples include areas like quantum mechanics and string theory from the field of Physics. Paranormal theories that hijack these areas (in an attempt to make their poor ideas look more plausible) are riddled with huge misunderstandings over these concepts. Conceptual hijacking plays on the public's lack of understanding and presents a twisted version of science that bares little reality to the truth.

Confirmation-bias (selective evidence).

Many people report a common perception of thinking about someone, when the phone then rings and the caller is the person they were thinking of. Is this strong evidence for a psychic ability between these people? The answer is no. It reflects a selective bias in memory and reason. Although we can remember the instances when this does happen (as they can be striking) we rarely remember the instances when it is not the person we were thinking of. Our memory is biased to place an emphasis on the 'hits' and ignore the 'misses'.

In a similar manner, researchers can sometimes concentrate only on that evidence that is consistent with the argument being developed (the hits) and ignore other evidence which contradicts it (the misses). This is known as the confirmation bias (where we are biased to only notice observations that confirm our assumptions). The confirmation bias relies on a positive biased focus and weighting towards only that evidence which is consistent with the current belief or world-view, and a negative bias to ignore results that challenge the view. It may be impressive to see a dowser find water in a single trial, but this on its own does not mean dowsing works. When we run tests and see that on many trials the dowser failed to locate water the scant and periodic instances when they are successful no longer looks impressive.

Metaphorical / analogy driven thinking.

Metaphors and analogies are essential to science and theory. Complex and more abstract areas of science rely particularly on metaphor and analogy to add clarity to knowledge and to communicate that knowledge. This is perfectly legitimate and indeed, to some extent, unavoidable. In science, analogies and metaphors may emerge as useful ways to think about, describe, and explain objective facts and evidence. For example, psychologists have employed the metaphor of visual selective attention being like a 'spotlight' illuminating the relevant information out there in the world from the surrounding darkness of all that we ignore. In many respects this has proved a very fruitful metaphor guiding thinking in this area of study. The problem here is not the use of analogies or metaphor in scientific thinking, but the clear abuse of them.

The problem with pseudoscience is its use and over-reliance on metaphor as an argument in and of itself. Rather than employ metaphors and analogies as illustrations of scientific knowledge, pseudoscience employs analogies to deduce new conclusions and propose alternative truths. At this point it no longer becomes a mere illustration; it becomes an argument by analogy (or metaphor; Thouless, 1968).

Quite often, the richer and more intuitively appealing the analogy, the more true the claim being made appears to be.
This can occur to such an extent that the analogy becomes a potent mind-trap and dominates all thinking on this issue. This is an error. Scientific arguments should be based on evidence, not analogy. The role of analogy in science is for illustration and communication - it is not for basing a claim of provisional truth. All analogies provide a degree of similarity to that which it is being applied to - this is why they are recruited as an illustration. However, there is also much dissimilarity as well and this is often missed (again another form of selection-bias). Ultimately, every analogy and metaphor will cease to work so it is crucial that any argument is not solely dependent on the analogy for its claim as a truth. As Thouless (1968) goes on to point out:

"Even the most successful analogies in the history of science breakdown at some point. Analogies are a valuable guide as to what facts we may expect, but are never final evidence as to what we shall discover. A guide whose reliability is certain to give out at some point must obviously be accepted with caution. We can never feel certain of a conclusion which rests only on analogy and we must always look for more direct proof"

(Thouless, 1968; pp142-143)

In some cases the analogy has no direct relevance or implication for the case being argued (the fallacy of the argument by irrelevant analogy; a special case of the non-sequitur type of fallacy). For example, modern creationists and advocates of intelligent design use analogies drawn from human design and engineering to argue for similar patterns in nature. The implication by such a comparison is that a designer must have been involved in the creation of the universe. Here the fallacy is to use a metaphor and analogy of a 'known' designer (i.e., something humans have designed and built) to prove the case of a divine designer. This type of comparison is an irrelevance. In addition, a closer examination often reveals that most pseudoscientific ideas are almost totally purely metaphorical in nature, form and content. That is to say, there are no reliable data, no firm facts, or evidence - just metaphor. This basically amounts to little more than a nice story - though not necessarily a correct or true one.

A good example of an over-reliance on metaphor and analogy is the 'stone-tape' metaphor that parapsychologists have used to explain ghostly sightings. According to the stone-tape account, human 'energies' and actions are somehow recorded in the immediate atmosphere and stored in the stone of a building or room, which can then be played back 'somehow' in 'someway' as a ghostly manifestation at a later date. The metaphor here is the notion of the making and playing back of recordings. However, despite its popularity, there is no scientific evidence to support this idea - and there never has been. Indeed, it is not at all clear as to how such recordings could be made by stone, and how they could be played back. All we are told is that it can occur 'somehow' in 'someway' - even though no plausible physical mechanism exists. This is an example of an over-reliance on a metaphor to support a non-scientific idea. The problem here is the analogy and metaphor itself can blind the untrained mind to the lack of actual facts and evidence present in the argument.

"The mere fact that the argument is in the form of an analogy is often enough to force the immediate irrational acceptance. There seems to be no other explanation of the extraordinary extent to which otherwise intelligent people become convinced of highly improbable things because they have heard them supported by an analogy whose unsoundness should be apparent to an imbecile"

(Thouless, 1968; pp146)

Anecdotes as evidence.

Although anecdotal evidence has its place in scientific theory: no theory should be solely dependent on anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence is a poor and unreliable source of evidence. For example, it is important that any theory of memory can explain the anecdotal experience of forgetting, but this should not just be based on anecdotes of forgetting, but on empirical demonstrations of the failure to retain information under controlled conditions. This leads to reliable and valid data on which to build a scientific account for the object of study. Similarly, theories of language need to be able to explain tip-of-the-tongue experiences (where we feel as if what we want to say is just failing to reach our ability to actually say it), slips of the tongue experiences (where we say a related word instead of the one we meant). However, the anecdotal experience of these instances does nothing to explain why and how they actually occur. These experiences are the products of psychological processes; however these products do nothing to explain the underlying processes themselves. Knowing that we have the phenomenal experience of consciousness, does not explain what consciousness is, or how it occurs.

One major problem with pseudoscience is that it places a strong and selective emphasis on anecdotes, and anecdotes alone, as support for its claims and theories. In reality, personal anecdotes alone are not a viable argument against data, facts, theory, empirical observation, and objective measurement. Lots of anecdotes do not support a case any more than a few anecdotes do. This is because all anecdotes are provided via a process which is itself fallible and prone to many sources of error. Anecdotal evidence has its place in scientific theory - but it is no contender for a source of information which can provide a mechanistic understanding the mental universe. Contrary to the popular saying, data is not the plural of anecdote.

Lack of explicit mechanisms


Pseudoscience is characterised by a complete lack of viable explicit mechanisms of action for the object being studied. Even if we were to accept some instances as fact, there is still no clear idea how these phenomena would work or how they could work. There is no clear and plausible proposed mechanism for how apparitions are supposed to be recorded in stone, no clear mechanism for how astrology is supposed to influence human behaviour, no clear mechanism for how the mind could survive bodily death or how liquids can hold a memory (as is claimed in homeopathy).

This lack of explicitness is related to some of the other characteristics listed above. For example, the fact that an idea is nebulous in turn makes it difficult to test such ideas (i.e., cannot be falsified). Furthermore, an idea can be nebulous due to verbose language (see above). However, even when these factors are not a major concern there is still a lack of a workable explicit mechanism. Even the best and clearest explanations of homeopathy, apparitions, alternative health, and psychic phenomena still fail badly at outlining a specific mechanism for how they are supposed to work. Although the lack of any mechanism is not, in itself, evidence against the existence of such phenomena occurring, the lack of any plausible mechanism waiting verification is not particularly convincing evidence for it being genuine either.

There are many areas of experimental science where mechanisms of action are not well understood - however, under these circumstances there will be some factual and accepted knowledge that provides a framework for thinking. In addition, although a mechanism may not be known, candidate mechanisms will be well specified to a level that guides future experimentation and thinking. What counts in science is the ability for a provisional explanation to feasibly account for the phenomena via a proposed mechanism that is more explicit than any other. An explicit mechanism should also generate clear predictions and these predictions should be testable (and falsifiable). The mechanism should say why the phenomenon occurs, what the principal components are, how it works, and what it does.

In contrast to scientific mechanisms and models, Parapsychology has been actively investigating paranormal and psychic phenomena since the 1940s - and yet despite the decades that have passed, no reliable evidence, or explicit and plausible mechanism has ever been proposed that suggests paranormal phenomena are a real veridical objective event.




Special pleading (elusive evidence).


Proponents of pseudoscience often claim that scientific testing is not the best way to test their claim; there is something special about the claim that makes it different to other disciplines. This special pleading is often accompanied by other fallacious reasoning such as scientists being too 'close-minded' to see the truth or that 'science has been wrong before'.

These claims invariably arise because when the pseudoscience is tested by scientists, the claimed results do not occur. One of the hallmarks of science is not only producing results and having those results reviewed by peers and published, but that those results can be reproduced (under controlled conditions) by other scientists independently.

This point is an important one. If something is real it will manifest itself regardless of who's doing the testing or whether the testers believe in it or not. If the phenomenon requires special (i.e. non-scientific) conditions or the testers have to believe in it for it to show up then it's highly likely that the phenomenon is not real and is merely a result of wishful thinking and confounding factors introduced by non-scientific testing.

Genuine phenomena will stand up to scrutiny (!)




Conspiracy theory.


Pseudosciences are often portrayed as real truths that "they" don't want you to know about. "They", whoever they may be, are accused of suppressing the evidence for their own self-interest. For example, the 'real' cure for cancer is suppressed by 'big pharma' (pharmaceutical companies) so that they can keep making huge profits selling useless drugs whilst people die.

Just how the conspiracy theorists come to be aware of this suppressed evidence however, is never explained.

Summary.

The defining feature of science is that hypotheses and theories that are put forward must be capable of being tested and shown to be false should they actually be so - this is the scientific criterion of falsifiability.
As our examples above show, the tell-tale signs of pseudoscience are ploys that lead their claims away from being falsifiable.

Pseudoscience then, can be described as theories, methodologies or practises that claim to be scientific but which are presented in such a manner that they can not be falsified by empirical testing.
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In her latest newsletter Nancy Lieder shows some of the worst lenseflares again. These people never understand the difference between reality and simple photo mistakes.
I`ve read that Nancy feels some wobble on the earth, even so big that the seasons change. This is pure nonsense. And there is a very accurate method of figuring this out. First of all a very old method would be solar eclipses. And they all happen like calculated and predicted, exactly in the necessary time frames, locations and positions.

A far better and daily available method of verifying such crazy claims is offered by our modern technology. Even an aberration of 1 degree in our earth`s position or rotation would immediately affect all gps-systems. No plane would be able to find its destination, no car would arrive at the target. Millions of people are using such gps-systems daily (me too), so that clearly indicates that the latest hoax of Nancy Lieder is debunked again cause my gps finds its way very precisely. Nancy Lieder`s crazy ideas would imply an aberration between 10 to 35+ degrees which often happens quite suddenly. All our public traffic systems would immediately break down. You see it is a fantasy story of an old woman, more or less a schoolboy prank to twit some uneducated.

Nancy Lieder = hoax aunt = debunked. Bad news for her cult again.
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Irrationalism has no boundaries:
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Comment by ann s.:
A lens flare cannot be eclipsed, so the Australia and Moldova pictures cannot be of lens flares.

Therefore unlike the usual method of the debunkers of jumping on the best evidence and screaming "lens flare!" they will more likely say nothing.

Funny how closely the very people who claim ZetaTalk is a cult and Planet X is a myth so carefully watch the PS ning. Actions speak louder than words!


Lets start with that Video that Nancy took as proof from a guy who filmed a standing image of his screen. (While deleting comments of people who question him, see comments:
RangerParus 1 Week ago
Ah, deleting comments. That's refreshing for a truther....

[link to www.youtube.com]

Bravo! Truely "best evidence" eh?
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btw: Thanks for confirming that whacky amateur videos/images are the "best evidence".

Obviously you still haven't understood the principles of empirical testing.

Remember:
If something is real it will manifest itself regardless of who's doing the testing or whether the testers believe in it or not. If the phenomenon requires special (i.e. non-scientific) conditions or the testers have to believe in it for it to show up then it's highly likely that the phenomenon is not real and is merely a result of wishful thinking and confounding factors introduced by non-scientific testing.

Suprised a former Moderator bothers to read what the guru and their followers are doing?

Suprised some people (the debunkers) don't just let Nancy continue to manipulate and mislead people?

Really?

What would you do if you catch a lying coward manipulating people?

Grab your shoes and run naughty? A Confrontation?

Actions speak louder than words indeed.
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And her some more from the pedophile Andrew Veresay.

No wonder that he got Nancy`s right hand. He really deserved what he got.

hahaha
human female is fully able to concieve and deliver a birth since the age of 8-9 - these cases abound.

human male is capable of being a father since the age of 10-11.

its NATURE

no artificial social or religious restrictions based on imaginary reasons can do anything about this fact!

the same as with incest (mating siblings)

From Andrew`s thread back in 2010.
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You can read it all here.

Thread: "Let me express my extreme point of view..."

What a perverted cult-bastard. I dont want to know what Zwaan does. They look similar.
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The best evidence proving Ann S. (does it stand for STUPID?) and Nancy Lieder wrong is the fact that MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of people aren't talking about it. If those objects were really there everyone would see them. There's simply no way around that and, no doubt, it pisses Ann off to no end.
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Neither nancy nor ann s can provide any solid proof of planet x, which would be visible to every amateur astronomer on the planet if it were to be posing any real threat.

Ann s, Instead of harping on about debunkers and planet x and sucking up to nancy (who used my photos, which i know where lens flare (she said moon swirls)lol) why dont you go out and plant some trees or some thing rather than waste your life obsessing about PX.

Think of the damage that Nancy does, she fits the bill of a cult leader, more and more she proves her self to be fraudulent. You've gotta ask your self.. why would highly advanced extraterrestrial intelligences talk through a fraudulent liar...

Hale bopp doesn't exist remember?? Moon swirls??? Get real!!! for Gods Sake!! Astrogirl and astromut... two sides of the same coin. both seem as narrow minded as the other (no offense)
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The best evidence proving Ann S. (does it stand for STUPID?) and Nancy Lieder wrong is the fact that MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of people aren't talking about it. If those objects were really there everyone would see them. There's simply no way around that and, no doubt, it pisses Ann off to no end.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Exactly.
Nancy's arrogance is disgusting:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
"Moon Swirls, long tubes that can funnel and focus sunlight toward the Earth, are seen around the Sun so frequently and without the need for any filters."

Pure BS.
I have yet to see these people come forth and claim they see "Moon-swirl-tubes" around the sun.
Except Flareberto (who btw claimed he only sees his planet exe while taking images with a cheap camera) and a couple other people with Lenseflares and other effects there's nobody.


Why the heck don't the believers just go out and look for themselves?

I know why: They'll go out, see nothing and think the conditions somehow weren't right... and others were more lucky.
And as long as they fool themselves that way, they'll wait day after day for that (immaginary) Planet to show up.

Although you can speed up things a little... just grab a floppy, a cheap camera, and play with it....
There you go. Planet Exe right there. (Not physically real though)...

There's simply no way around that and, no doubt, it pisses Ann off to no end.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Yup. Resistance to give up an irrational belief and projecting the anger towards the ones who point out the strong inconsistencies among the beliefs.

Reminds me of the problems Astromut often faces.

On the other hand Ann S. is the only one who actually bothers to deal with the "debunkers"... unlike the rest of the believers who just keep trotting behind Nancy.
She has my respect for this as it takes courage to do so and endure the "backfire".

Hopefully she can leave the "who is right"-issue behind and just look at the objective facts some day.

We shall see.

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@ Truther: I`ve just read this thread and this Andrew really seems to be an incredible dirtbag. In most countries of the world such creatures are prosecuted by law and sent to jail for a long time. After reading his thread I`m convinced that we have here a real child abuser. Shame on him. He will get his, hopefully more than he can handle.

@Anonymus Coward: Lick my ass, ya featherbrained cult-victim.

I just want to mention the idea of Charly. If there was an aberration of only one degree in earth`s rotation the world as we know it would be in a total catastrophy. We are dependent on our GPS-systems and all airports would break down immediately. Today all aviators use autopilots which are based on GPS systems. But it will be hard to explain this for some cult victims who are still running around with some old floppies in front of their cheap mobiles. Here the Dark Ages meet reality. And the lenseshitters and crazy Nancy have no clue about handling reality. It is a book that was closed for them years ago.
The real problem of this cult is that they are so far away from every astronomic reality. Their Nibiru is like a flying dragon with the wings of an Archaeopteryx who sits in a space shuttle. The last few followers of Nancy – weird people like Ann S. (= stupid) and Ahmadinedjad-fan Zwaanster the monster – have developed too much religious feelings for their Fata Morgana they call Nobeeryou. Perhaps they also had too much beers. Their Nibiru is their Golden Cow, their hope for a better world, their lenseflare in their soup of madness…

But as it doesn`t exist endless waiting is the only thing they will every experience. What about the announcement of Obama? It looks like they already try to forget this chapter of Nancy`s hoax ( and rechargeable) battery. Everybody knew that this will never happen. Now they try to eliminate this in their cult brains and wait for other fascinating stories of Nancy. And Nancy will deliver them some, so they won`t get too bored during their endless time of waiting. Nancytalk means abortive waiting now for more than 15 years. And the next 15 years of waiting are guaranteed, cause you can wait for something that doesn`t exist as long as you want to.

The result will be the same. The one and only puppet master of Zetatalk always was Nancy Lieder. She made her cult puppets dance for her and she is still doing that. She won´t stop. It is her business.
You are a part of the truth as long as you mention it!
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Alexa numbers for zetatalk:

Daily pageviews (7 day) - 0.000037% (8880/day)
Daily pageviews (1 month) - 0.000059% (12000/day)
Reach (1 month) - 0.0020% - 480,000 internet users

Alexa numbers for poleshit:

Daily pageviews (7 day) - 0.000050% (14160/day)
Daily pageviews (1 month) - 0.000058% (13920/day)
Reach (1 month) - 0.0028% - 672,000 internet users

 Quoting: bob_909


Updated numbers (just reach):

zetatalk - 0.00149% -
Poleshit - 0.0027 -
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There we go,
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
Comment by ann s.
One of the things I like about ZetaTalk is how often they hit the nail on the head or make ideas and concepts understandable:

"... Cover-ups take effort, work and energy best spent elsewhere....." [link to www.zetatalk.com]

Yes, so true! But when people are being PAID to pretend they are regular folks who apparently have nothing better to do than constantly "debunk" ZetaTalk and Planet X, then we should expect the paid shilling to continue until their employers pull the cash plug.

I can tell you now that no paid shill or debunker will ever get a bonus for converting me to their black-hearted lying side. It is simple: I have seen Planet X with my own eyes several times -- no doubt about it -- so I can never be convinced Planet X is not real.

This is not about winning or losing
. Ending the cover up is about giving the common man information the elites have and many do not want to share: Planet X is real and has been in the vicinity for years.


Why are you still riding on the "paid debunker"-thing?
It is totally nonsensial. Just look at what they say rather than where it comes from (Same applies to Nancy btw).

They, including me, will continue AS LONG as we feel to do so.
Believe me or not but im driven by the fact that I simply don't like Nancy being allowed to spread such a panic among people by having an endless track-record of lies and manipulation!

What drives the others, I dont know, but it doesn't matters for me either.
What is on the table should be discussed and apart from their bad-image the debunkers are actually quite sober and conclusive. Emotions shouldnt get into the way when we're analysing something as a Planet next to the sun.

You say, its not about winning or loosing but then it seems its about "convincing or not-convincing someone".

I don't think anyone is able to convince someone else. Only YOU can convince yourself of something.
We are merely trying to get the PX-believers thinking.
Start to look at things from another perspective. Question your beliefs.

So you saw pX with your very own eyes?
Then tell me, why is this darn thing not visible with any professional equipment? Why can such a sighting not be replicated?
How familiar are you with optic-effects and where is your reassurance that you saw something physically there?
A planet next to the sun can't just be hidden like Nancy wants it have!

Where are the other influences of this supposed planet?
An "earth wobble" which doesn't want to show up on timelapse videos or any other more precise measurment? (Remember the alleged "wobble on the FY2D-sattelite" is related to its orbit. It happens daily, precisely, just as calculated.)
An increase in Earthquakes that doesn't really want to manifest itself on statistic-charts?
Where is the factual data that there truely is an increase in earthquakes? (Oh the cover-up is blamed, but where's the proof of such a cover-up other than assumptions? )
Do you know that an earthquakes almost translates around the whole world and numerous parties register such things?
Do you really think someone could just "eliminate" an earthquake from the statistics?
How many charts would "they" need to eliminate and take the papers out of the students hands?

No matter how you twist it...From all perspectives Nancy's theories just don't want to comply with reality.

The stars are where they are,

Eclipses happen as predicted,

We're not halted in our orbit,

HaleBopp was real,

There is nothing next to the sun otherwise MANY professional and amateur astronomers would have traced it (or its influences),

Obama will not announce anything,

There won't be any transition to 4th density or some sorts,

there is no 7/10, a sinking of continents (other than the regular continental-drift), no 8/10, no 9/10 and finally no Poleshift!



All her panic is based on what?
Lots and lots of lecture and hot air..but nothing concrete.
Took me a while to figure this out.

Thanks for answering.

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And there we go for another,
Planet Twelve comes to word.. I guess he wants us to know what he thinks of the people here:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
Comment by Planet Twelve
AV, ever since I first came to this place, this unique forum, two years ago now, I was from day one in admiration of your calm and common-sense adeptness, your quiet intensity. and gentle sturdiness. Always enjoyed your empathetic and intuitive presence and eagerly followed all your posts.

Your work, which you have presented to us here, is a great one, collectively and inclusive of all its parts. In fact, the body of all your work, in service to others here and beyond, has been excellent.. This wonderful "Zeta Movie" series, which you have created with much work and dedication, is in my opinion the pinnacle, the go-to educational tool par excellence and bar-none, when one is looking to Awaken the Sleeping Deniers, et al.

Andrew, I cannot send you money, it is not a commodity of which I am abundantly possessed, i.e., I am not cashed up, nor wish to be so.. I send you White Light, Soul Brother, and thanks!! Stay Safe.

Disgusting shills and trolls, who gather and lurk together at certain locations and are all the time and unwittingly revealing their repulsive natures, will always be drawn, as leaches, to work such as the above. Envy, fear, insecurity, denial and a myriad other factors seemingly inspire these nether-world dwelling, paid attempted debunkers and pro skeptics, et al, who exist only to deny, to...well, they have taken to throwing their own faeces. Of course, it is blown back into their faces. Poetic Justice!


Dear Planet Twelve,
I don't understand your anger towards us but it seems it is due to the fact that we dont accept such things as "earth is halted in its orbit since 2003" or a "ghost-planet" next to the sun causing periodic poleshifts (without any basis).

Forgive our shortsightedness of the missing data of this giant bully.
Our ground analysis, historical records, planetary movements, sattelite-data or any other available ressource simply didn't registered anything... so we must be lacking some feature that is only available to a few (believers).

Due to the fact that the data available indicates no such thing must mean that this "feature" must be individual and is probably related to perception.

It also seems you have a certain attitude towards leaches?
The use of leeches for benificial purposes goes back to 200 B.C. and they are still used in many applications?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
I guess it must have been a compliment.
Thanks! cool2

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It is simple: I have seen Planet X with my own eyes several times -- no doubt about it -- so I can never be convinced Planet X is not real.
 Quoting: Ann S


Yes, it's best to remain ignorant. No matter though - someday reality is going to smack you in the face Ann. You know why? Because not even you can be that stupid. After a few more years of "Planet X" never becoming undeniable in the sky, no announcement from Obama (or ANY politician for that matter) about our impending doom and the total lack of an actual "pole shift" will eventually cause those dormant brain cells in your head to awaken and start to question your beliefs.

Let me ask you Ann - how did you see it? Did you view it with a telescope? No? Then how do you know what you saw was a "planet"? Better yet - how do you know it was "Planet X?" What have you done to verify what you saw? Have you sought out a local astronomy club and asked if they could set up somewhere so you could view this object together? No? Why not? Afraid to have your belief system shattered? Have you gotten your own telescope and learned how to use it so you could document this so called "planet?" No? Why not? Afraid?

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Well I guess that ann s. probably saw a weather balloon or a blimp and thought it was a planet. I bet she didn`t use a telescope or a professional equipment for her sighting. And of course there are no professional pics available.

So she remains ignorant. I`m an amateur astronomer and I can certify that a real Nibiru never existed. Bad news for the believers and fanatics. But the reality is like it is.
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If she saw it why didn't she take a pic as proof? And multiple times?
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Please tell me Ann where I can apply to be a paid debunker. You sound pretty sure of yourself, so you must have all the poop on the paid shill industry. I am semi retired and could use some extra cash. Of course I have been asking this for years and not one bunker has been able to tell me where and how I would apply for such a job. We all know that the paid shill excuse is routinely used to deflect attention from Nancy's latest fail. Why would they back up their accusations about shillery with facts if the whole planet x fantasy is based on belief and flies in the face of facts. How sad it must be to cling so desperately to a pathetically stupid internet hoax! I doubt anyone would bother to pay to discredit Nancy. I've been doing it for years for free because I don't suffer nasty fear mongering scam artists gladly. But hell, if someone wants to pay me I would gladly sign up.
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And there we go for another,
Planet Twelve comes to word.. I guess he wants us to know what he thinks of the people here:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
Comment by Planet Twelve

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Planet Twelve is a moron as witnessed by this statement he makes on one of his posts on the ning:

"And so no surprise to find that it is the Cornell University Library (arxiv.org), that rebel among university libraries, which took up the baton, the non-conforming Cornell later being one of a very few, if any, of its ilk to publically discuss the “anomalous” Lunar orbit. [link to arxiv.org] . But that is another story, of course all contained within the ZetaTalk archive."

Wrong, that article was published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society in Volume 415, Issue 2.

I guess he's too stupid to bother to do research past the first thing he notices that supports his claims. The Lorenzo Lorio article is also referenced in the SAO/NASA ADS Astronomy Abstract Service: [link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

Of course he fails to notice the last sentence in the abstract:

"Thus, the issue of finding a satisfactorily explanation for the anomalous behaviour of the Moon’s eccentricity remains open."

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I suspect that even though Ann obviously comes here and reads the thread based on her comments on the ning that she won't answer any of these questions because to do so would require her to do something unfamiliar to her - THINK. And if she did that she'll find everything she believes in is absolute rubbish. Instead, she's going to cling to these beliefs - only letting them go years from now when NONE of the things Nancy claimed would happen actually occur.
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