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A video of star trails taken at the end of January this year and *GASP*...no signs of wobbling.

[link to youtu.be]
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If the Earth is wobbling about unpredictably, I'd like to know why my sister's DirectTV service continues to function. I mean - the satellites are in geosynchronous orbit and the home dish is in a fixed position. If Earth were wobbling around like a drunken sailor, she or my brother in law would need to constantly go out and adjust the dish. I should create an account and ask Nancy that question. No doubt her answer would be quite entertaining.
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Or maybe she could answer why tides (twice daily), neap tides (twice monthly) and tidal waves (twice yearly during Autumn-and Springequinox) still occur as an interaction between Earth, Moon and the Sun while Earth is stopped in its orbit?

Too complicated for the Zetas.. Earth will remain halted for their believers regardless of the true situation.
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Only thing halted is their brains.
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We have a window on the east side of our bedroom that lines up with the bedroom door on the west side. For the past several months, when the sun came up it would shine straight down the hallway. Yesterday, I noticed the sun was now shining to the left of the doorway and not down the hall! We've never seen that before! That's proof that the Earth is wobbling or that the "Zetas" are tilting the Earth!

Okay, the above is true but filled with sarcasm. We've only been in the house two and a half months and, obviously, as the Earth continues its journey in orbit, the sun will move further and further north with the light shining through the window moving further and further south. Perfectly normal and expected. Unless you're a retard over at the ning.
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The whole story about the wobbling of the earth is a freak show. No more GPS-systems would work. But they work pretty well. I guess crazy Nancy has slowly lost all her memories about previous predictions. They all failed. Nothing is left there.

And now she is abusing that lame pope stories. The only one that should resign is she. There will be no Petrus Romanus.

But we read again a Nancus Nonsensus/ Nancia Nonsensia. 2012 really was too far out for her and her Zetas which only exist in her ill brain.

It is incredible how much bs one person can spread in the internet. And Nancy Lieder is definitely the bullshit-queen.
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If the Earth is wobbling about unpredictably, I'd like to know why my sister's DirectTV service continues to function. I mean - the satellites are in geosynchronous orbit and the home dish is in a fixed position. If Earth were wobbling around like a drunken sailor, she or my brother in law would need to constantly go out and adjust the dish. I should create an account and ask Nancy that question. No doubt her answer would be quite entertaining.
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Or maybe she could answer why tides (twice daily), neap tides (twice monthly) and tidal waves (twice yearly during Autumn-and Springequinox) still occur as an interaction between Earth, Moon and the Sun while Earth is stopped in its orbit?

Too complicated for the Zetas.. Earth will remain halted for their believers regardless of the true situation.
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The tides are as predicted here (Atlantic Coast) and at my residence (near the Gulf Coast).
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The Russian Meteoroid will have them coming out of the woodwork, I'm sure...
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I predict Nancy will claim it was a sign from the "Zetas"...having found that unwrapped candy sends mixed signals.
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This tiny little meteorite will make the Ningtards crazy again. But I doubt that crazy Nancy will claim it was a sign of the Zetas. She will say it was a sign of the COW to enforce the announcement of Obama. But the COW was too stupid to send the meteorite to the USA so it ended up in Russia.

Even wankmaster Andrew is coming out of the brushwood again to tell the weird Ningtards some nice little fairy tales. When you read the latest news on the Ning you think some meteorites hit ann s. and the other tards directly on the forehead. So some more years of desperate waiting won`t get too boring for the tards.
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Oops.

Comets and meteors do not explode when encountering Earth’s atmosphere. This is not what your history or science presents to you! If they are monstrous, they plunge to Earth and leave a crater such as the Gulf of Mexico off Yucatan. If they are tiny, they burn up in the atmosphere as shooting stars. If they are midsized, they burn on their periphery but land to be rocks picked up and examined by your scientists.
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[link to www.zetatalk.com]

the meteor fragmented and was hit by a surface to air missile as some in Russia though they were under attack. This is being denied by the Ministry of Defense so as not to look, um, paranoid or start rumors. Obviously fragments of the meteor went in all direction and some landed in the lake.
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Meteors don't explode on their own? Poor Zetas need more remedial education...
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Hmmm the world is in big trouble, I can't help but wonder, seems rational to assume, based upon the research of Zechariah Sitchen and Jordan maxwell to name a few that Nibiru exists out there some where and with the unusual events on earth that maybe those zetas are on to something. Popes resigning, volcanoes booming, plates shaking all over the place, droughts then floods etc is all unusual behaviour . I am a confused amature debunker and don't consider zeta talk to be gospel but there is some thing up, in my books at least any way. If there is a council of worlds or star nations out there I'm sure they would be a little concerned with earths development , eg North Koreas nuclear test. I had guess we had better buckle up because I don't see earth settling down any time soon. People are going to get very rowdy if nancy is right.

I predict the paid shills will attack my perspective, I only attempt debunking because nancy does actually lie or is often wrong with the photos because she has used my own photos that I found out later were just filter flares. If Planet X doesn't sort us out, I'm sure a nuke will....
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Hmmm the world is in big trouble, I can't help but wonder, seems rational to assume, based upon the research of Zechariah Sitchen and Jordan maxwell to name a few that Nibiru exists out there some where and with the unusual events on earth that maybe those zetas are on to something. Popes resigning, volcanoes booming, plates shaking all over the place, droughts then floods etc is all unusual behaviour . I am a confused amature debunker and don't consider zeta talk to be gospel but there is some thing up, in my books at least any way. If there is a council of worlds or star nations out there I'm sure they would be a little concerned with earths development , eg North Koreas nuclear test. I had guess we had better buckle up because I don't see earth settling down any time soon. People are going to get very rowdy if nancy is right.

I predict the paid shills will attack my perspective, I only attempt debunking because nancy does actually lie or is often wrong with the photos because she has used my own photos that I found out later were just filter flares. If Planet X doesn't sort us out, I'm sure a nuke will....
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Meteors don't explode on their own? Poor Zetas need more remedial education...
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For a super advanced race of beings they sure are stupid.

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Hmmm the world is in big trouble, I can't help but wonder, seems rational to assume, based upon the research of Zechariah Sitchen and Jordan maxwell to name a few that Nibiru exists out there some where and with the unusual events on earth that maybe those zetas are on to something. Popes resigning, volcanoes booming, plates shaking all over the place, droughts then floods etc is all unusual behaviour . I am a confused amature debunker and don't consider zeta talk to be gospel but there is some thing up, in my books at least any way. If there is a council of worlds or star nations out there I'm sure they would be a little concerned with earths development , eg North Koreas nuclear test. I had guess we had better buckle up because I don't see earth settling down any time soon. People are going to get very rowdy if nancy is right.

I predict the paid shills will attack my perspective, I only attempt debunking because nancy does actually lie or is often wrong with the photos because she has used my own photos that I found out later were just filter flares. If Planet X doesn't sort us out, I'm sure a nuke will....
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What paid shills?
And wouldnt it seem highly unrealistic that Nancy is "suddenly right" when we have loads of proof of her being wrong?

Is it really so hard to sort it out and understand where her claims really originate from?

Take your time buddy... sorting out through the pX-stuff can take quite a while especially if someone starts making assumptions based on perception. (I say this, because "unusual events" on earth is usally based on that... but we need more. We need statistics, we need something more solid to be really able to say "something is not right there".)

Or lets describe it in this way:
- Now that you look out for these things you remember them and think "ohh something is coming"..
- But how many times have you "remembered" those times/days/months/years where no such thing happened?

Call it confirmation-bias.
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based upon the research of Zechariah Sitchen
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[link to www.sitchiniswrong.com]

This may interest you... (try to be neutral to it)
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Hmmm the world is in big trouble, I can't help but wonder, seems rational to assume, based upon the research of Zechariah Sitchen and Jordan maxwell to name a few that Nibiru exists out there some where
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I disagree with your premise. It is NOT rational to make that assumption.

and with the unusual events on earth that maybe those zetas are on to something.
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I'd need to see your definition of 'usual' with events during that time that you are using as a baseline.

Popes resigning,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Human endeavors always seem chaotic, or at least irrational.

volcanoes booming,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


They always have.

plates shaking all over the place,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


They always have.

droughts then floods etc is all unusual behaviour
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


No, it's not. You can't describe a year when some of those things DON'T occur.

. I am a confused amature debunker and don't consider zeta talk to be gospel
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Wise.


but there is some thing up, in my books at least any way.
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Then you must be skeptical of your own books. You need to carefully and completely *define* what it is that is "up," and when it wasn't "up", and include evidence that can convince you that your premise (something is up) is false.



If there is a council of worlds or star nations out there
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


There remains no evidence for such.


I'm sure they would be a little concerned with earths development , eg North Koreas nuclear test.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Why would that matter in the slightest?


I had guess we had better buckle up because I don't see earth settling down any time soon. People are going to get very rowdy if nancy is right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


She's not.

I predict the paid shills will attack my perspective,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Poisioning the Well already? And here I was hoping we could have a civilized conversation...

I only attempt debunking because nancy does actually lie or is often wrong
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Understatement of the decade.


with the photos because she has used my own photos that I found out later were just filter flares. If Planet X doesn't sort us out, I'm sure a nuke will....
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I don't think either will. There's too much sorting out to do.
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Hmmm the world is in big trouble, I can't help but wonder, seems rational to assume, based upon the research of Zechariah Sitchen and Jordan maxwell to name a few that Nibiru exists out there some where
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


I disagree with your premise. It is NOT rational to make that assumption.

and with the unusual events on earth that maybe those zetas are on to something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


I'd need to see your definition of 'usual' with events during that time that you are using as a baseline.

Popes resigning,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Human endeavors always seem chaotic, or at least irrational.

volcanoes booming,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


They always have.

plates shaking all over the place,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


They always have.

droughts then floods etc is all unusual behaviour
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


No, it's not. You can't describe a year when some of those things DON'T occur.

. I am a confused amature debunker and don't consider zeta talk to be gospel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Wise.


but there is some thing up, in my books at least any way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Then you must be skeptical of your own books. You need to carefully and completely *define* what it is that is "up," and when it wasn't "up", and include evidence that can convince you that your premise (something is up) is false.



If there is a council of worlds or star nations out there
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


There remains no evidence for such.


I'm sure they would be a little concerned with earths development , eg North Koreas nuclear test.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Why would that matter in the slightest?


I had guess we had better buckle up because I don't see earth settling down any time soon. People are going to get very rowdy if nancy is right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


She's not.

I predict the paid shills will attack my perspective,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Poisioning the Well already? And here I was hoping we could have a civilized conversation...

I only attempt debunking because nancy does actually lie or is often wrong
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Understatement of the decade.


with the photos because she has used my own photos that I found out later were just filter flares. If Planet X doesn't sort us out, I'm sure a nuke will....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


I don't think either will. There's too much sorting out to do.
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Thank you for sharing your view point. I appreciate you opinion on the subject.
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Hmmm the world is in big trouble, I can't help but wonder, seems rational to assume, based upon the research of Zechariah Sitchen and Jordan maxwell to name a few that Nibiru exists out there some where and with the unusual events on earth that maybe those zetas are on to something. Popes resigning, volcanoes booming, plates shaking all over the place, droughts then floods etc is all unusual behaviour . I am a confused amature debunker and don't consider zeta talk to be gospel but there is some thing up, in my books at least any way. If there is a council of worlds or star nations out there I'm sure they would be a little concerned with earths development , eg North Koreas nuclear test. I had guess we had better buckle up because I don't see earth settling down any time soon. People are going to get very rowdy if nancy is right.

I predict the paid shills will attack my perspective, I only attempt debunking because nancy does actually lie or is often wrong with the photos because she has used my own photos that I found out later were just filter flares. If Planet X doesn't sort us out, I'm sure a nuke will....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


What paid shills?
And wouldnt it seem highly unrealistic that Nancy is "suddenly right" when we have loads of proof of her being wrong?

Is it really so hard to sort it out and understand where her claims really originate from?

Take your time buddy... sorting out through the pX-stuff can take quite a while especially if someone starts making assumptions based on perception. (I say this, because "unusual events" on earth is usally based on that... but we need more. We need statistics, we need something more solid to be really able to say "something is not right there".)

Or lets describe it in this way:
- Now that you look out for these things you remember them and think "ohh something is coming"..
- But how many times have you "remembered" those times/days/months/years where no such thing happened?

Call it confirmation-bias.
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You make a good point with the confirmation bias and I see what your saying, but it does seem as though we have collectively become desensitized and jaded to all that is going on in the world with every one so distracted by work and tv, with the constant barrage of war and doom on the news.

Surely you must admit there appears to be an uptick in the frequency of plate movements and volcanism as well as extreme weather events (as well as social unrest). Planet X is not that far out of a concept considering that there were newspaper article released in the early 80s stating that there was another planet in the solar system, so taking that into consideration as well as the interpretation of sumerian texts and the present day activities it would raise the eye brows of most rational individuals.

I'm trying not to jump to premature conclusions as I know how that can be dangerous but i think its equally as dangerous to bury your head in the sand and put on some rose colored glasses.

There also seems to be a decent amount of evidence to suggest some big changes coming, fall of maddoff followed by srauss-kahn. Im sure certain banks will fail and major changes in government will ensue. We are living in exciting times regardless of whether or not planet x exists..
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Also as a side note, there is plenty of evidence to suggest previous cataclysms, eg. pre and post-diluvian epochs ( before and after floods) and even Einstein agreed that the evidence for past cataclysms points to yes! If you dont believe me do your home work and read his correspondence with Velikovsky which can be found online easily enough

So considering that one of the greatest minds of our times thought that the earth has been witness to great catastrophe one cant help but wonder what could have caused such devastation.

So again I'm not saying planet x is real and the zetas are right, I'm just looking at the evidence that could lead some one to believe that there is a planet x.
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Hmmm the world is in big trouble, I can't help but wonder, seems rational to assume, based upon the research of Zechariah Sitchen and Jordan maxwell to name a few that Nibiru exists out there some where
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


I disagree with your premise. It is NOT rational to make that assumption.

and with the unusual events on earth that maybe those zetas are on to something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


I'd need to see your definition of 'usual' with events during that time that you are using as a baseline.

Popes resigning,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Human endeavors always seem chaotic, or at least irrational.

volcanoes booming,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


They always have.

plates shaking all over the place,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


They always have.

droughts then floods etc is all unusual behaviour
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


No, it's not. You can't describe a year when some of those things DON'T occur.

. I am a confused amature debunker and don't consider zeta talk to be gospel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Wise.


but there is some thing up, in my books at least any way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Then you must be skeptical of your own books. You need to carefully and completely *define* what it is that is "up," and when it wasn't "up", and include evidence that can convince you that your premise (something is up) is false.



If there is a council of worlds or star nations out there
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


There remains no evidence for such.


I'm sure they would be a little concerned with earths development , eg North Koreas nuclear test.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Why would that matter in the slightest?


I had guess we had better buckle up because I don't see earth settling down any time soon. People are going to get very rowdy if nancy is right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


She's not.

I predict the paid shills will attack my perspective,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Poisioning the Well already? And here I was hoping we could have a civilized conversation...

I only attempt debunking because nancy does actually lie or is often wrong
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


Understatement of the decade.


with the photos because she has used my own photos that I found out later were just filter flares. If Planet X doesn't sort us out, I'm sure a nuke will....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34485841


I don't think either will. There's too much sorting out to do.
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Thank you for sharing your view point. I appreciate you opinion on the subject.
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De Nada.
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You make a good point with the confirmation bias and I see what your saying, but it does seem as though we have collectively become desensitized and jaded to all that is going on in the world with every one so distracted by work and tv, with the constant barrage of war and doom on the news.
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Yes, but thats the logical human response to the overall current situation.

Planet Earth as a whole is a complex "system", take weather or plate movements, atoms or nature (plants, animals, bacteria, etc).
Humans, Conscioussness, Psyche.

Now let all interact with each other and you may find yourself here and now reading or doing something particular because A lead to B, cause and effect.

Surely you must admit there appears to be an uptick in the frequency of plate movements and volcanism as well as extreme weather events (as well as social unrest).
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No there is no uptick in plate movements.
The mid-ocean-rifts still produce ozeanic crust at a steady rate and subduction elswhere compensates this spreading. The velocities of the plates are measured by GPS and are pretty accurate nowadays.

Earthquakes are another issue that usally come into play whenever you have destructive faultlines running.

EQ-statistics are not showing anything extraordinary. No sudden increase.
Plates are still on the move and so there will be earthquakes, volcanoes and all other effects.

In other words, from this point of "system" its all normal. Of course, because there's nothing we can do to influence it.


Now Weather is another issue and thats the part where we also come into play as we live on the thin border between solid and gaseous.
The weather is wild, sure. We have a careless species living on this planet producing more and more of us (wanting more and more).

This planet is old, around 4.5 billion years...It had a lot of time to find some balance.

Then came homo sapiens sapiens. And now where here doing all kinds of things.
Earth has a long history, but humans are a fart of it.

Social Unrest... You wonder why there is social unrest?
Because we are living in a restrictive world! Cause and effect at it again.

Get my drift?

We're interacting with a very complex world and we have no long-term records of the influence of a species such as humans on a complex system like earth -
but this doesn't mean we don't have any influence... in fact I think we're the major factor in the "wild weather" question.


Planet X is not that far out of a concept considering that there were newspaper article released in the early 80s stating that there was another planet in the solar system, so taking that into consideration as well as the interpretation of sumerian texts and the present day activities it would raise the eye brows of most rational individuals.
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Yeah from the 80s!
If Planet X would be there don't you think it would interact with the solar-system?

It does raise eye brows but because it is sensational and twisted information. Look it up, the link I previously posted.
Zaccharia's theory is pseudoscience. He reads the sumerian cuneiform in his own way.


I'm trying not to jump to premature conclusions as I know how that can be dangerous but i think its equally as dangerous to bury your head in the sand and put on some rose colored glasses.
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Agreed. But you need to sort out if that PX-theory as a whole might not also fall under the "colored glasses".

There also seems to be a decent amount of evidence to suggest some big changes coming, fall of maddoff followed by srauss-kahn. Im sure certain banks will fail and major changes in government will ensue. We are living in exciting times regardless of whether or not planet x exists..
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Srauss who?
No..the pX-BS aside, of course we're living in "exciting times" as we're faced with the consequences of our actions and the interaction with the planet, nature and the close proximity.

hf
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You make a good point with the confirmation bias and I see what your saying, but it does seem as though we have collectively become desensitized and jaded to all that is going on in the world with every one so distracted by work and tv, with the constant barrage of war and doom on the news.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34496093


Yes, but thats the logical human response to the overall current situation.

Planet Earth as a whole is a complex "system", take weather or plate movements, atoms or nature (plants, animals, bacteria, etc).
Humans, Conscioussness, Psyche.

Now let all interact with each other and you may find yourself here and now reading or doing something particular because A lead to B, cause and effect.

Surely you must admit there appears to be an uptick in the frequency of plate movements and volcanism as well as extreme weather events (as well as social unrest).
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No there is no uptick in plate movements.
The mid-ocean-rifts still produce ozeanic crust at a steady rate and subduction elswhere compensates this spreading. The velocities of the plates are measured by GPS and are pretty accurate nowadays.

Earthquakes are another issue that usally come into play whenever you have destructive faultlines running.

EQ-statistics are not showing anything extraordinary. No sudden increase.
Plates are still on the move and so there will be earthquakes, volcanoes and all other effects.

In other words, from this point of "system" its all normal. Of course, because there's nothing we can do to influence it.


Now Weather is another issue and thats the part where we also come into play as we live on the thin border between solid and gaseous.
The weather is wild, sure. We have a careless species living on this planet producing more and more of us (wanting more and more).

This planet is old, around 4.5 billion years...It had a lot of time to find some balance.

Then came homo sapiens sapiens. And now where here doing all kinds of things.
Earth has a long history, but humans are a fart of it.

Social Unrest... You wonder why there is social unrest?
Because we are living in a restrictive world! Cause and effect at it again.

Get my drift?

We're interacting with a very complex world and we have no long-term records of the influence of a species such as humans on a complex system like earth -
but this doesn't mean we don't have any influence... in fact I think we're the major factor in the "wild weather" question.


Planet X is not that far out of a concept considering that there were newspaper article released in the early 80s stating that there was another planet in the solar system, so taking that into consideration as well as the interpretation of sumerian texts and the present day activities it would raise the eye brows of most rational individuals.
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Yeah from the 80s!
If Planet X would be there don't you think it would interact with the solar-system?

It does raise eye brows but because it is sensational and twisted information. Look it up, the link I previously posted.
Zaccharia's theory is pseudoscience. He reads the sumerian cuneiform in his own way.


I'm trying not to jump to premature conclusions as I know how that can be dangerous but i think its equally as dangerous to bury your head in the sand and put on some rose colored glasses.
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Agreed. But you need to sort out if that PX-theory as a whole might not also fall under the "colored glasses".

There also seems to be a decent amount of evidence to suggest some big changes coming, fall of maddoff followed by srauss-kahn. Im sure certain banks will fail and major changes in government will ensue. We are living in exciting times regardless of whether or not planet x exists..
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Srauss who?
No..the pX-BS aside, of course we're living in "exciting times" as we're faced with the consequences of our actions and the interaction with the planet, nature and the close proximity.

hf
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Oh please forgive my typo,Dominique Strauss Kahn. The french economist.... Some times goes by DSK...

Hmmm well I'm obviously well out numbered here and am bound to get picked apart. Please, Please remember... I'm not stating planet x is a hard fact.. ok? It's important to understand that.

Well you seem to have some understanding of earth sciences, care to explain the booms all over america, doesn't take much to look them up on YouTube nor does it take much to realize they are not normal nor common, unless your intuition is dense.


If these were occuring in my country i would be very worried, but then again we have had multiple serious earth quakes and multiple active volcanoes, not uncommon considering we are on a plate boundary.

Also the Kiev trumpets? Those are an unusual phenomenon that arent easily explained by conventional explanations..


Also living on a plate boundary (Indo-Australian and pacific plates), I have a fair bit of first hand understanding, we have had thousands of earth quakes over the past 2-3 years on a fault that was not even known to exist.. Also multiple active volcanoes going at the same time. You take this into account and add to it the haiti quake, the sumatra quake, the japanese quake, the samoan quake, to name only a few and you start to build a picture of unusual activity beyond what can be considered normal..

In my opinion, There is a celestial body called Niribu that some are calling Planet X. The pole shift remains a strong probability. The altered jet stream and global warming will continue to bring localized events the world over – flooding & droughts with fires, etc.

If you monitor the Google Earth map you will see an increase in quakes, many in areas that are out of the traditional regions. Watch for these appearing along the Atlantic Ridge between the U.S. and Europe.
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IDW has lost it entirely...

anyone else see this thread?

Thread: SHOCKING REVELATION OF RAPID DISINTEGRATION OF FREEDOM IN THE USA (please read for you own good!)

This is simply a recollection of the not so distant past so readers can judge just how much freedom we have lost, and how fast we lost it, and how the basic nature of our government has shifted radically to tyranny.

The story I have to relate was about back in the 70's when the government was afraid of the people.

This was the time of such anti government sentiment that songs like "Convoy" ( I know it was corny but it was about open rebellion against the police) and movies like Smokey and the Bandit.

The days of citizens taking action with CB radios to give the location of every cop on the road, seldom did they escape detection, and statistics indicated that drivers who had CB radios had significant fewer accidents, surprise sunrise!
These were days without a care or worry as I recall them as young adult/teenager, a very relaxed time where our biggest worry was expensive gas and heating oil due to the arab oil embargo.

I was on the school rifle team and brought my target rifle to school and kept in my locker on Tuesdays and Thursdays when we had practice on the range, which was located on school premises under the basketball court in the basement.

I also frequently brought my hunting rifles for the purposes of sighting them in on the range especially bore sighting since I was bad about knocking my scopes of sight and had not yet perfected the technique and my instructor/coach was a very good marksman.

I brought my firearms on the school bus in a hard case, sometimes a soft case , and I showed them to my friends and allowed them to hold them and examine them, all without raising an eyebrow from the bus driver.

Since I was a large individual, the bus driver would often seat "problem children" with me to keep them from disrupting or distracting her. I was once given responsibility for a little boy with a condition that caused him to have violent seizures, a very intelligent little tike that was picked on because he had to wear a hockey helmet to protect his head from injury during a seizure.

His parents thanked me with a very nice gift for Christmas for keeping the bullies from bothering him, it was a sled designed to pull behind a snowmobile and I returned the favor by taking the little boy for rides after strapping him in with a three point seat belt. Ice fishing and fishing the river behind my house with my instruction seem to be very good for him and he never had a seizure when having fum. His seizures improved, it seemed the bullying brought them on made them worst.

The point of all of this is simple, we were given responsibility, and we acted responsibly.
We weren't put on psychotropics or Ritalin for having a personality or thinking independently or acting like a normal child, , AND NOT A SINGLE ONE IF US EVER OPENED FIRE ON OUR CLASS MATES, DESPITE THE FACT THAT FIST FIGHTS WERE VERY COMMON, USUALLY OVER GIRLS or the bullying of younger acquaintance or brother..

I had my share and I was only suspended once, when I busted open my opponents lip so bad he had to have 8 stitches and his parents raised a stink over the doctor bill. Usually the coach would allow a fist fight to continue until one opponent got the best of the other and then broke up the fight, and this was often where fights were held because students knew the coach would not turn the combatants into to the principal. In this way conflicts were solved permanently with a clear victor..

To continue my recollection of freedom...There was a drive through liquor store where you could buy a handgun, ammunition, a bottle of whiskey and mixed drink, all from the comfort of the front seat of your car at a drive up window without ever stepping put of the car.

They even had a 30 second add on TEE VEE, it was called the Stop and Go Gun and Liquor Store and had a picture of a semi auto handgun and a bottle with XXX on the sign.
The store was an offshoot of a local convenience store owned by rich and influential local Houstonian called Stop-n-Go.

It was actually kind of humorous when we talked about it, we always laughed out loud when the commercial came on because of the theme song which unfortunately I cannot remember the words to. I was thinking perhaps it was just bit too much freedom for some people, AND NO, I'm not making it up. TEXAS WAS AT ONE TIME A VERY FREE STATE AND POLICE LEFT YOU ALONE.
Of course in those days you could take a toke off of a bong in front of a cop and he would look the other way. We had a totally different mindset about freedom then, if you weren't bothering anybody you were left alone and grand juries and persecutors wouldn't dare pull the shit they do now, prosecuting people who they know had done no wrong to anyone. That is not law and order, it is generating revenue and destroying freedom and these bastards need to hang from the rope of justice strung from the tree of liberty. MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA!.

BTW if you don't believe me , This store was in Pasadena Texas about 500 yards from my apartment on the north part of town near the 610 500 loop. We called the 610 loop that that because it was a loop around Houston with banked curves just like a NASCAR track. People going over 100 MPH in the fast lane was the norm and cops didn't dare stop speeders for fear they would be run over or cause pile ups. Seriously.

At the time Texas had no open container laws and no background checks for the purchase of weapons. Since then laws have been passed forbidding firearms where liquor is sold in Texas, I guess I wish things were like the good old days when we didn't have the government murdering our people and drug crazed maniacs killing our kids in schools, AND WE HAD THE "Stop and Go Gun and Liquor store". It seems to me the more restrictions ,laws and cops their are, the crazier everything has gotten, correct me if I am wrong.

It also seems to me the nanny state has created people who have no responsibility concerning anything.

MY POINT FOR WRITING THIS IS FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHOEVER KNOWN FREEDOM and WHO HAVE NO REFERENCE TO GO BY AS TO WHAT FREEDOM ACTUALLY IS, SO THAT THEY WILL REALIZE IT SOMETHING WORTH FIGHTING AND PERHAPS EVEN DYING FOR. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS IMPRISONMENT WITHIN OUT OWN MINDS,and I am absolutely certain a return to the way things were is a step in the right direction and the most logical course of action.

This of course will not be easy, but it IS within our reach and our capability, and I have the distinct feeling the banksters behind all of this erosion of freedom, corrosion of our societal norms, destruction of our families, and overall systematic destruction of our way of life are in for a wake up call. it's time someone dilaed the number.
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Apparently, Russia is full of nutjobs as well...some in high places.

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I agree that IDW has lost what little he had. Why should any of what he reminisces about matter if, as he is 100% certain of THIS time, 90% of us humans are to be wiped out before this coming January?

I feel I demolished his supposed scientific expertise pretty thoroughly back in December. I'll poke him on the solstices, and on IDW-is-so-certain-day in January, and on occasions that I see him stating something hilariously wrong in physics or astronomy. Other than that, he simply isn't nearly as entertaining (or as challenging) as he used to be some years ago.
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Hm. You leave me a bit confused here. In one paragraph you state:

Please, Please remember... I'm not stating planet x is a hard fact.. ok? It's important to understand that.
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Yet, in just a few lines down:

In my opinion, There is a celestial body called Niribu that some are calling Planet X. The pole shift remains a strong probability.
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These seem mutually contradictory. I am not trying to pick your idea apart, but I am confused as to what your idea actually is.

The first question I must ask, then, is: What evidence can you imagine -- any at all -- that would change your opinon that there is such a celestial body? What evidence *reduces* the probability of a pole shift to impossibility, to you? Can you imagine any evidence doing that? If so, what? Be as specific as you can, please.
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Oh please forgive my typo,Dominique Strauss Kahn. The french economist.... Some times goes by DSK...

Hmmm well I'm obviously well out numbered here and am bound to get picked apart. Please, Please remember... I'm not stating planet x is a hard fact.. ok? It's important to understand that.
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You shouldn't worry about being outnumbered or getting picked apart.
We're here trying to find out what speaks or speaks against pX not who is right or wrong.

Well you seem to have some understanding of earth sciences, care to explain the booms all over america, doesn't take much to look them up on YouTube nor does it take much to realize they are not normal nor common, unless your intuition is dense.
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Just because there's a huge quantity of reports doesn't necessarily mean they're increasing or not normal.

People nowadays may just be more sensible for these type of occurences and combined with the internet you quickly have vast speculation going around.

What causes these Booms?
I think plates under stress may be a good candidate and to my understanding its all within the realms of normal plate tectonics but it also may be that my intuition is just too dense.

If these were occuring in my country i would be very worried, but then again we have had multiple serious earth quakes and multiple active volcanoes, not uncommon considering we are on a plate boundary.
Also the Kiev trumpets? Those are an unusual phenomenon that arent easily explained by conventional explanations..
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I probably would be worried too if Germany would start "booming". Not because of the boom itself but because Germany is not an active subduction-zone as the place where you live as it seems.

Also living on a plate boundary (Indo-Australian and pacific plates), I have a fair bit of first hand understanding, we have had thousands of earth quakes over the past 2-3 years on a fault that was not even known to exist.. Also multiple active volcanoes going at the same time. You take this into account and add to it the haiti quake, the sumatra quake, the japanese quake, the samoan quake, to name only a few and you start to build a picture of unusual activity beyond what can be considered normal..
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Congratulations for your first hand experience.
I felt a rather small earthquake once and I was impressed and shocked by the force of it.

So you wonder why ocassionally there are strong quakes or volcanoes going off at the same time?

Japan, Haiti, Sumatra. All experience deep subduction and subducted lithosphere tends to brittle fracture i.e. building up pressure until it is released violently.

Volcanoes going off at the same time or earthquakes interfering are also perfectly normal.
Release a bit of pressure here and you change the whole balance. Put a bit of pressure here and you changed the whole balance again.

Remember that we're on this planet for a fairly short timeframe so a strong earthquake here and there doesn't really tell anything about the overall trend.


If you monitor the Google Earth map you will see an increase in quakes, many in areas that are out of the traditional regions. Watch for these appearing along the Atlantic Ridge between the U.S. and Europe.
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If I want to see wether EQs are increasing or not I take the statistics from USGS or another party, copy n paste the numbers in Excel and make a graph out of it.
(If you don't believe these statistics you can take the chart of a seismograph and make your own records.)


Watch for these appearing along the Atlantic Ridge between the U.S. and Europe.
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Think there will be a european tsunami or some sorts?

The Mid-atlantic-rift is a constructive faultline i.e. producing new oceanic crust.

As Earth is round and the plates can't crack in a straight line these rifts have offsets to the side where the plates drift in different directions (transform faults).

However these are very different to subduction-zones where lithosphere is pushed hundreds of kilometers into the mantle.

See the difference? I dont think strong quakes are to be expected at a Mid-ocean-rift system.
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The first question I must ask, then, is: What evidence can you imagine -- any at all -- that would change your opinon that there is such a celestial body? What evidence *reduces* the probability of a pole shift to impossibility, to you? Can you imagine any evidence doing that? If so, what? Be as specific as you can, please.
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This.
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Didn't Mrs.LIEder claimed the russian-meteorite was shot down with a by the russians?
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

I knew more video-footage would emerge and now we have clear videos from different perspectives.
They all seem to have one thing in common: An extremly fast meteorite entering into the atmossphere and brusting apart with a supersonic-boom.

But where's LIEders rocket? The projectile?

Wouldn't there at least be a trail of the rocket if that 10-ton meteorite was supposed to be shot down? ;)


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Zetas wrong again!

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