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As for being paid.........

Is Nancy still sucking money from govt. and/or charity orgs. ?


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Having gotten way to interested in this subject, I began to read the Troubled Times minutes and annual report, and found a very disturbing fact!

A major portion of the funding for Troubled Times (and ipso facto for Zetatalk) comes from the Caleb C. and Julia W. Dula Foundation, based in St. Louis. Last year (or 2000...the records arent entirely clear), they granted TT $25,000, out of a total reported income of $45,000 (almost all from donations)

What makes this disturbing is that the Dula foundation is a well-respected granting organization, with grants to Harvard, Univ of Indiana, Iona Univ, The St. Louis Zoo, etc. They are the 20th largest charitable foundation in Missouri, with $45 million in assets, and who hand out over $2 million in grants a year. What is an organization like this, that "supports projects in the areas of arts and humanities (particularly museums
and libraries), child welfare, the aged, community funds and appeals, health care, religion, and historical preservation. Most groups receiving funds have an established reputation in their particular field" doing giving $25,000 to a misbegotten outfit like Zetatalk...... That is $25,000 that could be better spent on real science education!
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Depressing.
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Hey, TRAITOR! You can forget about me ever "debating" you! Why on earth would I waste my time like that? (Seeing as how I am not paid to shill and I don't have a parent paying my bills, I support myself.)
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You know, I am liking him more and more, the way you keep going on about him.

Hey, ELEMENTAL! Ditto! Not going to waste a precious second "debating" you either. Right about now you need some proof of your work at GLP, and I am not going to give you any.
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Oh, my. Then why are you posting on this thread *at all?* You can't *buy* entertainment like this!

Hey, PAID SHILLS in general! Thanks for proving my point. You are all over my comments lightning fast, like almost immediately. You know, as if you are assigned to the thread, watching for those who tell the truth (unlike you disturbed souls), pouncing on evertyhing, justifying your paychecks or boosting your little egos in the case of the TRAITOR (in particular).
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Well, it is quite convenient that you are on when I happen to be on. Feel free to show up at this time every day.

So their actions, once again, PROVE my points. I have other things to do because I am not paid to post like the paid shills.

By jumping on my comments so fast you PROVE my points.
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You would claim such no matter what. If there are no comments to the contrary, that's positive proof. If comments come too quickly, that's positive proof.

What is the *appropriate* interval between counterposts that is *not* positive proof, in your philosophy?

Thank you!
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You are quite welcome.

I sense some panic among the paid shills which seems to abating. I guess they have been told they will still be shilling for a living after the announcement Planet X is real because it has been decided, already, that ZetaTalk will STILL be attacked after the announcement.
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I await your response to the possibility that such an announcement will never come, what your response would be to that occurring, and how long you are willing to wait before you can *begin* to doubt that such an annoucement is forthcoming.

I expect a long wait for that answer. As long as the wait for PX, I suppose. But the believer's faith is unshakable!

It is going to be very difficult to rewrite history and PRETEND Nancy Lieder and ZetaTalk have not been around for 17 years.

Since neither the paid shils nor their handlers EVER expected the United States would announce Planet X is real, they mistakenly thought that naming Nancy Lieder as the "founder" of Planet X was a safe bet as the cover up of Nibiru would hold.
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I *continue* to think such an announcement is impossible, since PX, as Nancy describes it, doesn't exist.

So now they are searching for a way to make it appear, not true of course, that Nancy Lieder does not have a long history of telling the truth via ZetaTalk and her own posts or interviews.

Big problem, eh?
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Nope, because of the easily proved observations that disprove Nancy entirely. Every eclipse, every transit, every sunrise and sunset, GPS working, sextants working, ancient navigation working, GOTO telescopes operating all combine into a wall of evidence ZT simply cannot address, let alone breach.

Cannot wait to see how they are going to try and claim that Nancy Lieder only just learned Planet X is real via the announcement, when SHE and the Zetas are the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY ones who have been telling the truth about Planet X.

Quite a dilemma, eh?
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Not if such an announcement never, ever comes. And your dilemma will be equally interesting as you wait, and wait...

...and wait...

For how long? Forever? Will you *ever* be able to even *conceive* that Nancy is merely wrong?

We are going to see who has been right all along about Planet X, and it is not the paid shills.
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And as the days drag by, with no announcement, how many years must go by *this* time before you *consider* that Nancy is merely wrong? I know I have repeated the question often, but no believer has ever truly answered.

Will you be the first? I tend to doubt it. But, as I said before, hope springs eternal.
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Planet X -- so called by scientists because it has yet to be found -- would have an elliptical solar orbit like Earth, the Kobe University team said, estimating its radius was 15 to 26 billion kilometres.

The team noted that more than 1,100 celestial bodies have been found in the outer reaches of the solar system since the mid-1990s.

Researchers have set up a theoretical model looking at how the remote area of solar system would have evolved over the past four billion years.

"In coming up with an explanation for the celestial bodies, we thought it would be most natural to assume the existence of a yet unknown planet," the university said in its statement.

Researchers at Kobe University in western Japan say theoretical calculations using computer simulations led them to conclude it was only a matter of time before the mysterious 'Planet X' was found

[link to www.sbs.com.au]

That said "1,100 celestial bodies have been found" since mid-1990's - just goes to show how little modern science really knows.
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Gomes' hypothetical planet has nothing at all to do with Nancy's claims of planet X, which is supposed to be deep in the inner solar system and hiding near the sun. It's not even the same as Harrington's hypothetical planet X, which was based on perceived perturbations of Neptune and Uranus later realized to be due to an inaccurate figure for the mass of Neptune. This new theory from Gomes proposes a hypothetical planet even farther away than Harrington's, which in turn was much farther from earth than in Nancy's loony ideas. In fact, this new theory is in direct agreement with limits established for the mass/distance function of any as-yet-undiscovered planetary bodies in the far outer reaches of the solar system as seen in this paper:
[link to arxiv.org]
In other words, this theory is in direct disagreement with Nancy's claims. The substance of her claims is what matters, and that substance is in direct contradiction to the very theory you just posted. So good job, you just contradicted Nancy!
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Gomes' hypothetical planet has nothing at all to do with Nancy's claims of planet X, which is supposed to be deep in the inner solar system and hiding near the sun. It's not even the same as Harrington's hypothetical planet X, which was based on perceived perturbations of Neptune and Uranus later realized to be due to an inaccurate figure for the mass of Neptune. This new theory from Gomes proposes a hypothetical planet even farther away than Harrington's, which in turn was much farther from earth than in Nancy's loony ideas. In fact, this new theory is in direct agreement with limits established for the mass/distance function of any as-yet-undiscovered planetary bodies in the far outer reaches of the solar system as seen in this paper:
[link to arxiv.org]
In other words, this theory is in direct disagreement with Nancy's claims. The substance of her claims is what matters, and that substance is in direct contradiction to the very theory you just posted. So good job, you just contradicted Nancy!
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Why do u obsess about Nancy, I'm not talking about Nancy??????

Take a step back and listen to your self?? You make fun of any one who believes in ANY TYPE of planet x... All I'm doing is offering information that can justify ones belief in a intruding planet that could effect the solar system...

No need to drag Nancy into this, If shes wrong she'll have to deal with it, and if shes right you will have to deal with it, in this life and the next.

I'm just sharing some research, the truth is out there
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
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Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....
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Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....
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Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.
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Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??
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Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Gomes' hypothetical planet has nothing at all to do with Nancy's claims of planet X, which is supposed to be deep in the inner solar system and hiding near the sun. It's not even the same as Harrington's hypothetical planet X, which was based on perceived perturbations of Neptune and Uranus later realized to be due to an inaccurate figure for the mass of Neptune. This new theory from Gomes proposes a hypothetical planet even farther away than Harrington's, which in turn was much farther from earth than in Nancy's loony ideas. In fact, this new theory is in direct agreement with limits established for the mass/distance function of any as-yet-undiscovered planetary bodies in the far outer reaches of the solar system as seen in this paper:
[link to arxiv.org]
In other words, this theory is in direct disagreement with Nancy's claims. The substance of her claims is what matters, and that substance is in direct contradiction to the very theory you just posted. So good job, you just contradicted Nancy!
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Why do u obsess about Nancy, I'm not talking about Nancy??????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253

I'm not obsessed, I'm an equal opportunity debunker, but by playing the shill gambit you identify yourself with her and similar loons. But thank you for debunking zetatalk, Nancy, and all other similar PXtards who think a massive body is in or near the inner solar system.
You make fun of any one who believes in ANY TYPE of planet x...
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No, I don't. There was a legitimate scientific theory regarding planet X and Gomes is proposing a new theory that bears the same name but not the same characteristics. These are entirely distinct from the bullshit that gets spewed on this forum about "planet X" day in, day out. And it's not just Nancy, YOU'RE the one who takes offense anytime anyone says her name. The problem is bigger than her, there are a number of loons out there making similar claims including Marshall Masters who was just on C2C tonight. Nancy's 15 minutes are up, but there are others out there pushing similar loony ideas that have nothing to do with the theory you just posted. As I said, the theory you just posted is in direct contradiction with these loons. Now try actually addressing my post instead of whining about Nancy.
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Leave Nancy out of this..
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And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!
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Why is the solar system heating up (no cars on mars)

"Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest.

Odyssey has been mapping the distribution of materials on and near Mars' surface since early 2002, nearly a full annual cycle on Mars. Besides tracking seasonal changes, such as the advance and retreat of polar dry ice, the orbiter is returning evidence useful for learning about longer-term dynamics".


[link to mars.jpl.nasa.gov]

"Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
October 9, 2002

BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Williams College, the University of Hawaii, Lowell Observatory and Cornell University announced in a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's (AAS) Division for Planetary Sciences in Birmingham, AL.

The team, led by James Elliot, professor of planetary astronomy at MIT and director of MIT's Wallace Observatory, made this finding by watching the dimming of a star when Pluto passed in front of it Aug. 20. The team carried out observations using eight telescopes at Mauna Kea Observatory, Haleakala, Lick Observatory, Lowell Observatory and Palomar Observatory. Data were successfully recorded at all sites.

An earlier attempt to observe an occultation of Pluto on July 19 in Chile was not highly successful. Observations were made from only two sites with small telescopes because the giant telescopes and other small telescopes involved lost out to bad weather or from being in the wrong location that day. These two occultations were the first to be successfully observed for Pluto since 1988."


[link to web.mit.edu]

that's a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure in Pluto, which is the highest increase in any planet in the Solar system, and it is increasing as Pluto orbits away from the Sun. If the Sun is the cause for global warming in the solar system, as some scientists say, why is it that Pluto, the planet that is the farthest away from the Sun, experiencing the most severe effects, and it is getting worse and worse as it orbits away from the sun?

And there's more evidence.

"rediction of a global climate change on Jupiter
Philip S. Marcus

Top of pageJupiter's atmosphere, as observed in the 1979 Voyager space craft images, is characterized by 12 zonal jet streams and about 80 vortices, the largest of which are the Great Red Spot and three White Ovals that had formed1 in the 1930s. The Great Red Spot has been observed2 continuously since 1665 and, given the dynamical similarities between the Great Red Spot and the White Ovals, the disappearance3, 4 of two White Ovals in 1997−2000 was unexpected. Their longevity and sudden demise has been explained5 however, by the trapping of anticyclonic vortices in the troughs of Rossby waves, forcing them to merge. Here I propose that the disappearance of the White Ovals was not an isolated event, but part of a recurring climate cycle which will cause most of Jupiter's vortices to disappear within the next decade. In my numerical simulations, the loss of the vortices results in a global temperature change of about 10 K, which destabilizes the atmosphere and thereby leads to the formation of new vortices. After formation, the large vortices are eroded by turbulence over a time of 60 years—consistent with observations of the White Ovals—until they disappear and the cycle begins again."
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And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!
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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!
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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
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Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....
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Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.
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Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??
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Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
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Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....
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Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.
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Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??
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Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
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I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious. I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
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And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!
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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."
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And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!
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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

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It appears that you're not learning anything, because if you actually understood what you posted, you'd realize that it directly contradicts the kooky planet X claims from people like Nancy, Marshall Masters, et al.
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Leave Nancy out of this..
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And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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Do you care to address why pluto has been found to be heating up? why there has been a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure in Pluto, which is the highest increase in any planet in the Solar system, and it is increasing as Pluto orbits away from the Sun. If the Sun is the cause for global warming in the solar system, as some scientists say, why is it that Pluto, the planet that is the farthest away from the Sun, experiencing the most severe effects, and it is getting worse and worse as it orbits away from the sun?

Or are you waiting for your handlers to tell you what to say?? That's a dog joke (astromut) not a shill joke... lol
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And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!
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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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Do you care to address why pluto has been found to be heating up?
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Once you address my post first.
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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


It appears that you're not learning anything, because if you actually understood what you posted, you'd realize that it directly contradicts the kooky planet X claims from people like Nancy, Marshall Masters, et al.
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Come on mate, that's a bit harsh don't you think??

Open up your heart, at least I'm trying. I'll try and look for some more articles for you tomorrow. Nemesis and Tyche are kind of interesting. I'll look into Zecharia Sitchin as well.

why are u still harping on about Nancy??

What is it about her that has you so incredibly butt hurt?? I really don't get it.

I've never heard of Marshall Masters?? Is he eminem?? Lol jokes, I'll look him up though
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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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Do you care to address why pluto has been found to be heating up?
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Once you address my post first.
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What would you like for me to tell you about it? I'll give it a go
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Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.
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Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.
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That makes no sense at all.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Incomplete sentence- can't parse.

I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy
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Suspicious of what? This thread was begun in response to the fact that Nancy was banning posters and deleting post on her Zetachat thread. There is no mystery about the central player in the "Planet X" hoax- it's Nancy Lieder.

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??
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How about because she has spent nearly all of her waking hours for over a decade promoting her story on the internet?

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
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Bias against Nancy Lieder? Well, duh... she is a chronic liar and hoaxer who has triggered dedicated debunkers of those chronic lies. It's not such a mystery.
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Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious. I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
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Because she lies. Because she instructed her members to murder their pets and murdered her own puppy. Because her forum does not allow free discussion and expects subservient acceptance of everything she says. Because there is no verifiable evidence of another planet within our solar system. Those are a few of my reasons - if you find her behaviour acceptable that is your choice. I cannot.

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read this, if you haven't already.
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


It appears that you're not learning anything, because if you actually understood what you posted, you'd realize that it directly contradicts the kooky planet X claims from people like Nancy, Marshall Masters, et al.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Come on mate, that's a bit harsh don't you think??

Open up your heart, at least I'm trying.
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Could have fooled me.
I'll try and look for some more articles for you tomorrow.
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That is not what I asked you to do.
why are u still harping on about Nancy??
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Still sore about that, are you? Speaks volumes.
What is it about her that has you so incredibly butt hurt?? I really don't get it.
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I'm not butthurt, I'm still celebrating.
I've never heard of Marshall Masters?? Is he eminem?? Lol jokes, I'll look him up though
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Well then you should NOT be accusing me of being obsessed about Nancy if you aren't even aware of the other people I also debunk. You just exposed how ignorant you are when making such comments.
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Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


That makes no sense at all.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Incomplete sentence- can't parse.

I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Suspicious of what? This thread was begun in response to the fact that Nancy was banning posters and deleting post on her Zetachat thread. There is no mystery about the central player in the "Planet X" hoax- it's Nancy Lieder.

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


How about because she has spent nearly all of her waking hours for over a decade promoting her story on the internet?

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Bias against Nancy Lieder? Well, duh... she is a chronic liar and hoaxer who has triggered dedicated debunkers of those chronic lies. It's not such a mystery.
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Settle down there menow... You need to take a deep breath!!!

Breathe in....... Breathe out....

Now that you've calmed down, listen to yourself, you're full of hate and vindictiveness.

Its not me vs you, or you vs Nancy. It's just a forum where people post stuff

Not life and death matters here mate....

Calm down, no need to be so hostile... Sheesh
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
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Do you care to address why pluto has been found to be heating up?
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Once you address my post first.
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What would you like for me to tell you about it? I'll give it a go
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You said you were suspicious of our "bias" here and do not trust our opinions that the loonies idea of Planet X is BS. Well your article is in direct contradiction to PX claims found on this website as well as others, not just from Nancy Lieder. Do you agree that there are no unaccounted for massive planetary bodies anywhere near the inner solar system? That's what Gomes' theory suggests, in agreement with Iorio's paper on the constraints on distance/mass of any as-yet undiscovered "planet X."
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