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For those who may be unaware here is the story of Free Store's bunker, with pictures :)

Notice the classical good looks of the half glass "bunker" door.

[link to proofexists.clan.su]
 Quoting: prof-rabbit nli 35651691

How about converting it to a garage.

Or a party room.

And giving a big party to celebrate the salvation from the Poleshit-Nancy-Cult.

In 20 or 30 years.


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 Quoting: Hydra


That thing definitely wouldn't meet metro dade building codes (one of the strictest set in the country when it comes to wind loads).

If you want to build something in concrete that is structurally sound, you don't do multiple pours like that and, if you use the wrong rebar, you might end up with the rebar corroding, expanding, and cracking the concrete around it.

He better hope that he put a slope in that flat roof and covered it with something that is moisture resistant, otherwise it's going to retain water and guess what? It's going to eventually fail.

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Yes, we on occasion do import posts from the ning for the sheer entertainment value, mainly, and to wonder at the thick-headedness of what is said there. We have invited anyone to come here and attempt to uphold Nancy's claims from the very beginning. No, I don't believe zeta supporters are banned from posting at GLP more than any other random AC has been.
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Paid Shill Handbook:

[..]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656


Almost forgot.

I don't waste my time on TRAITORs!
[..]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656


You see how the paid shills refuse to learn?
[..]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

How is this not obsessive and hysterical?

Several hundred words of vile slander, ad hom attacks, bile, threats, and incomprehensible gibberish.
And yet again not a single fact, not a single answer to the pertinent questions asked of you, not a single piece of evidence that Nancy isn't kook heading a wierdo death cult.

Every time you post these you just proof our point.
You guys (and gals) are delusional, you guys are hateful, you guys are utterly incapable of dealing with reality.

You're also to dumb to realise it...
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The list of current paid shills is important.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Not really because right now, only you and a few other people are on it and we don't consider the likes of you being all that threatening. After all, "debunkers" have science, Nancy's long list of failed predictions and time on our side.

Because when NASA announces Planet X is real and has been in the inner solar system for years, those paid shills will likely disappear, gone, that day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

And that will happen when? Let's see...Obama was supposed to have announced "Planet X" at least twice already. So far that's been one big failure for ya'.

So when those paid shills stop posting, suddenly, you will know why. And that will be indirect proof that they are paid shills, paid to debunk the presence of Planet X, the PS ning, and ZetaTalk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Well, I can guarantee with 100% certainty that won't happen and you'll be making the same comments years from now.

BTW, paid shills: If the PS ning is so tiny, has so few members (although for web sites it is never about the membership, get real), and matters so little when why all the attention given to shredding it on the paid debunker thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

If "Planet X" is so undeniable and it's so obvious that we're paid shills, then why are you wasting so much time here defending Nancy? What is it about this thread that frightens you so much?

Does not make since, does it? Unless the PS ning is a threat and THAT is why the paid shill handlers' tell them to concentrate on it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Funny how the same statement applies to you doesn't. But let me point something out to you - have you noticed that not ONE of your comments has been deleted? Can you say the same thing about anyone who posts an opposing point of view on the ning? No, you can't. So, tell us, what frightens Nancy so much that she has to delete posts and ban people? If "Planet X" was so undeniable as you keep claiming then Nancy should have no problem defending her claims from anyone who posted an opposing point of view. So, it sounds to me like she knows her position is SO weak that it's better to delete questionable posts so her brain dead believers don't see them instead of having to defend anything she's said.

The actions of the shills betray them, but they keep on posting as if they are just regular folks "concerned" about a hoax (ZetaTalk), which is not a hoax at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

You say "ZetaTalk" is not a hoax and yet "Planet X" has failed to show up and cause a "pole shift" each and every time Nancy said it would. So, tell us more about how it isn't a hoax.

There are so many actual hoaxes on the internet but the paid shills pay almost no attention to debunking them. Why not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

How do you know? Are you following each and every one of us around on the Internet?

Again, the actions of the shills betray them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Yes, they do...which leads me to wonder why you keep outing yourself.

So, once the announcement happens (please be patient, the few real people who read this thread) we can expect the paid shills to disappear as they will not be able to debunk Planet X/Nibiru any longer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Can you please tell us what excuse Nancy will be using when that fails to happen because I and all the others here can say with absolute 100% certainty that said announcement will NEVER come from Obama. But, tell you what, since you're so convinced - how about we make a monetary wager on that? Are you game? Somehow I suspect not - which will only go to show that you have doubt.

But they will be back, with new screen names, to keep their black ops funding "careers" as paid shills going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

I've been here for almost 10 years with the same name. Nothing Nancy has predicted has come true so why should I need to change now or anytime in the future?

Yep, suddenly, very suddenly (except Elemental is getting started early) there will be new "members" of GLP who debunk only ZetaTalk and the PS ning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Just like suddenly several "believers" have shown up to defend Nancy...like you and FreeStore. A coincidence? I think not.

The paid shills will have no choice (Dr. Astros' attempt to get away from his past as Astromut is failing) but to abandon those screen names and accounts and PRETEND they are new members/people oh so concerned about the public believing the ZetaTalk message after the Planet X announcement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Again, willing to bet money on that?

So that is why a partial, incomplete list of paid shills at GLP matters because they are going to PROVE I am correct when they disappear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

I guess you'll never be correct because I'm not going anywhere. Again, I can say that with 100% certainty...and if I do suddenly disappear it's more likely because you or your master had something to do with it.

And who is "Ann" that you are mentioning? Geez, don't you have anything better to do than single out someone for "special treatment"? I mean, seriously. Don't you understand that most people are seeing right through your tasks as paid shills? That is why no one posts hardly at the paid debunker thread except for paid shills themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Let's see...earlier you said that denial was proof that we were "paid shills" so I guess denying that you're Ann is actually proof that you are.

Laughing.
Laughing.
Laughing.

Watch and learn!
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Hey, TRAITOR! You can forget about me ever "debating" you! Why on earth would I waste my time like that? (Seeing as how I am not paid to shill and I don't have a parent paying my bills, I support myself.)
 Quoting: Forget about it! 2411656

The ONLY reason you won't debate with him is because you can't. Plain and simple. If you could, you would just to rub our debunker noses in it. But the fact that you won't speaks volumes and shows how weak your position is.

Hey, PAID SHILLS in general! Thanks for proving my point. You are all over my comments lightning fast, like almost immediately. You know, as if you are assigned to the thread, watching for those who tell the truth (unlike you disturbed souls), pouncing on evertyhing, justifying your paychecks or boosting your little egos in the case of the TRAITOR (in particular).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

And thank you for proving our point so well. You've shown how desperate Nancy and all the other believers are getting. You've shown that you fear us and consider us a threat as "Planet X" continues to be a no show. Sucks to be you I guess.

I sense some panic among the paid shills which seems to abating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Yes, and you're proving with every post the only one panicking is you. If you weren't, you wouldn't be wasting your time posting here.

I guess they have been told they will still be shilling for a living after the announcement Planet X is real because it has been decided, already, that ZetaTalk will STILL be attacked after the announcement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

And that announcement will be when again? Oh, that's right...it was supposed to be in September and then October and then November. Yawn! Tell you what - come back when that announcement finally happens.

It is going to be very difficult to rewrite history and PRETEND Nancy Lieder and ZetaTalk have not been around for 17 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

I have no intention of re-writing history. But there won't be any need to anyway - you and ZetaTalk aren't nearly as important as you think.

Since neither the paid shils nor their handlers EVER expected the United States would announce Planet X is real, they mistakenly thought that naming Nancy Lieder as the "founder" of Planet X was a safe bet as the cover up of Nibiru would hold.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Again, how much money do you want to wager on this announcement? Like I said in another post - I think you'll refuse to bet anything...which will only go to show that you have doubt that this announcement will ever happen. In which case - Nancy will not be pleased.

So now they are searching for a way to make it appear, not true of course, that Nancy Lieder does not have a long history of telling the truth via ZetaTalk and her own posts or interviews.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Okay, provide SPECIFIC examples of these truths and provide supporting evidence NOT from ZetaTalk. Can you? We've asked others but they all ran away - as I suspect you will.

Big problem, eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

For you - yes. That's obvious. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here.

Cannot wait to see how they are going to try and claim that Nancy Lieder only just learned Planet X is real via the announcement, when SHE and the Zetas are the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY ones who have been telling the truth about Planet X.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

And I can't wait to see/hear what your excuse is when this announcement fails to ever happen.

Quite a dilemma, eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Again, for you - yes.

We are going to see who has been right all along about Planet X, and it is not the paid shills.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

You're absolutely right - too bad you're the paid shill.
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If the existence of Nibiru is so undeniable, why is an announcement from NASA or Obama necessary?
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If the existence of Nibiru is so undeniable, why is an announcement from NASA or Obama necessary?
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They simply never answer questions like that which call into question the logic of their general story.
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If the existence of Nibiru is so undeniable, why is an announcement from NASA or Obama necessary?
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It is a distraction,Indonesian is far from sinking and not a single 7/10 event has yet happened. Nancy needed to keep her idiotic followers believing in something.
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Paid Shill Handbook:

When all else fails, just make stuff up and pretend like you did not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Why are you describing your master?

But since Planet X is supposedly not real and ZetaTalk is supposedly a hoax, there should be NO reason at all why black ops kinds of 'people' would be concerned about things that are supposedly not true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

If "Planet X" is real...why are you devoting so much time on this thread trying to convince others? Shouldn't it be obvious? That's what your master claims.

So the paid shills pretend they are not shills, but somehow they magically know exactly WHO is posting on here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

I don't know...you tell us shill.

Guess there is telepathy after all, only way to explain knowing exactly WHO is posting unless you are black ops.

So telepathy must also be real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Maybe...maybe not. So what?

Zetas right again!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Again? When have they been right at all? Provide specific examples supported with evidence from sources other than ZetaTalk. What? You can't? I guess that means one thing:

zwrong2

Trying to make it appear that ZetaTalk fans are not banned is a pathetic attempt to prove the Zetas wrong. You are doing just the opposite, again and again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Can you prove they are? If not, then you're proving just the opposite...again and again.

p.s. A mod bumping the paid debunker thread up is also evidence that the thread is controlled.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Okay...and your proof of this is?
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Almost forgot.

I don't waste my time on TRAITORs!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

And yet you keep coming here and posting. Hmmm.

All the paid shills and TRAITORS with reincarnating souls will find out, the hard way, during their life review just how wrong they are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

And that will happen when again?

Except they will find out they are wrong much sooner than that when:

1. You got it, the U.S. announces Planet X is real; and
2. You cannot get into a service to other led survival group no matter hard you try because you are Undecided at best.

We shall see.

Cash those paychecks fast (oh wait, you get cash, don't you).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

No, my employer uses direct deposit. What does Nancy use? Anyway, yes, we'll see who's right in the end. But I suspect you'll never admit it when that time comes. Instead, you'll do like all those before you - quietly disappear.
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You see how the paid shills refuse to learn? They just ignore what is inconvenient.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Really? Where's your evidence supporting the existence of "Planet X?" And you claim that "debunkers" refuse to learn? Then riddle me this - why is it that not ONE believer has gotten a telescope, learned how to use it and then used it to photograph "Planet X?" Why is it that not ONE believer has ever contacted an astronomy club and asked to view the night sky with them? Why is it that not ONE believer took Hap, a "debunker", up on his offer to use his professional grade telescope to search for and document "Planet X?" This would have been a win-win scenario for you. Not only would Nancy have the proof she wants so bad but it would have been obtained on equipment owned by a "debunker." The only reason I can come up with to explain why none of you have done any of this is FEAR. Fear of finding out that "Planet X" isn't there. Fear of having your belief system smashed. Fear of having to admit to yourself that you were wrong.

I pointed out how they sit and watch the paid debunker thread and jump right on posts they don't like.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Um, apparently, that must be you because you sure have posted a lot today. Does Nancy pay you by the post or by the hour?

That all but proves you are watching because it is your job or you have nothing better to do, you know, like have a life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Considering how many times you've posted, I would say that applies to you quite well.

Notice I am not around all the time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Notice that I posted this morning and not again until this evening. Guess that blows a big hole in your claims. Ooops!

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Holy cow!! IT JUST GOT ANNOUNCED (Hydra inspired me),
[link to www.imagebanana.com]

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Hey! They'll take it because that's as close as they'll ever get.
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You see how the paid shills refuse to learn? They just ignore what is inconvenient.
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Really? Where's your evidence supporting the existence of "Planet X?" And you claim that "debunkers" refuse to learn? Then riddle me this - why is it that not ONE believer has gotten a telescope, learned how to use it and then used it to photograph "Planet X?" Why is it that not ONE believer has ever contacted an astronomy club and asked to view the night sky with them? Why is it that not ONE believer took Hap, a "debunker", up on his offer to use his professional grade telescope to search for and document "Planet X?" This would have been a win-win scenario for you. Not only would Nancy have the proof she wants so bad but it would have been obtained on equipment owned by a "debunker." The only reason I can come up with to explain why none of you have done any of this is FEAR. Fear of finding out that "Planet X" isn't there. Fear of having your belief system smashed. Fear of having to admit to yourself that you were wrong.

I pointed out how they sit and watch the paid debunker thread and jump right on posts they don't like.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Um, apparently, that must be you because you sure have posted a lot today. Does Nancy pay you by the post or by the hour?

That all but proves you are watching because it is your job or you have nothing better to do, you know, like have a life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Considering how many times you've posted, I would say that applies to you quite well.

Notice I am not around all the time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2411656

Notice that I posted this morning and not again until this evening. Guess that blows a big hole in your claims. Ooops!

debunk
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OMG. That is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. Lol
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Well, finished my homework assignment for my Network Infrastructures Administration class. Off to bed. I'll check in tomorrow to see if Nancy's hired goon is willing to bet money on Obama announcing the existence of "Planet X." Somehow, I doubt they'll do it...which is fine because it'll prove they have doubts about it ever happening. Otherwise, if it's such a sure thing, they'd jump at the chance to make some extra cash to help them prepare for the "pole shift" and rub my nose in it.
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As for being paid.........

Is Nancy still sucking money from govt. and/or charity orgs. ?


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Having gotten way to interested in this subject, I began to read the Troubled Times minutes and annual report, and found a very disturbing fact!

A major portion of the funding for Troubled Times (and ipso facto for Zetatalk) comes from the Caleb C. and Julia W. Dula Foundation, based in St. Louis. Last year (or 2000...the records arent entirely clear), they granted TT $25,000, out of a total reported income of $45,000 (almost all from donations)

What makes this disturbing is that the Dula foundation is a well-respected granting organization, with grants to Harvard, Univ of Indiana, Iona Univ, The St. Louis Zoo, etc. They are the 20th largest charitable foundation in Missouri, with $45 million in assets, and who hand out over $2 million in grants a year. What is an organization like this, that "supports projects in the areas of arts and humanities (particularly museums
and libraries), child welfare, the aged, community funds and appeals, health care, religion, and historical preservation. Most groups receiving funds have an established reputation in their particular field" doing giving $25,000 to a misbegotten outfit like Zetatalk...... That is $25,000 that could be better spent on real science education!
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As for being paid.........

Is Nancy still sucking money from govt. and/or charity orgs. ?


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Having gotten way to interested in this subject, I began to read the Troubled Times minutes and annual report, and found a very disturbing fact!

A major portion of the funding for Troubled Times (and ipso facto for Zetatalk) comes from the Caleb C. and Julia W. Dula Foundation, based in St. Louis. Last year (or 2000...the records arent entirely clear), they granted TT $25,000, out of a total reported income of $45,000 (almost all from donations)

What makes this disturbing is that the Dula foundation is a well-respected granting organization, with grants to Harvard, Univ of Indiana, Iona Univ, The St. Louis Zoo, etc. They are the 20th largest charitable foundation in Missouri, with $45 million in assets, and who hand out over $2 million in grants a year. What is an organization like this, that "supports projects in the areas of arts and humanities (particularly museums
and libraries), child welfare, the aged, community funds and appeals, health care, religion, and historical preservation. Most groups receiving funds have an established reputation in their particular field" doing giving $25,000 to a misbegotten outfit like Zetatalk...... That is $25,000 that could be better spent on real science education!
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Depressing.
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Hey, TRAITOR! You can forget about me ever "debating" you! Why on earth would I waste my time like that? (Seeing as how I am not paid to shill and I don't have a parent paying my bills, I support myself.)
 Quoting: Forget about it! 2411656


You know, I am liking him more and more, the way you keep going on about him.

Hey, ELEMENTAL! Ditto! Not going to waste a precious second "debating" you either. Right about now you need some proof of your work at GLP, and I am not going to give you any.
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Oh, my. Then why are you posting on this thread *at all?* You can't *buy* entertainment like this!

Hey, PAID SHILLS in general! Thanks for proving my point. You are all over my comments lightning fast, like almost immediately. You know, as if you are assigned to the thread, watching for those who tell the truth (unlike you disturbed souls), pouncing on evertyhing, justifying your paychecks or boosting your little egos in the case of the TRAITOR (in particular).
 Quoting: Forget about it! 2411656


Well, it is quite convenient that you are on when I happen to be on. Feel free to show up at this time every day.

So their actions, once again, PROVE my points. I have other things to do because I am not paid to post like the paid shills.

By jumping on my comments so fast you PROVE my points.
 Quoting: Forget about it! 2411656


You would claim such no matter what. If there are no comments to the contrary, that's positive proof. If comments come too quickly, that's positive proof.

What is the *appropriate* interval between counterposts that is *not* positive proof, in your philosophy?

Thank you!
 Quoting: Forget about it! 2411656


You are quite welcome.

I sense some panic among the paid shills which seems to abating. I guess they have been told they will still be shilling for a living after the announcement Planet X is real because it has been decided, already, that ZetaTalk will STILL be attacked after the announcement.
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I await your response to the possibility that such an announcement will never come, what your response would be to that occurring, and how long you are willing to wait before you can *begin* to doubt that such an annoucement is forthcoming.

I expect a long wait for that answer. As long as the wait for PX, I suppose. But the believer's faith is unshakable!

It is going to be very difficult to rewrite history and PRETEND Nancy Lieder and ZetaTalk have not been around for 17 years.

Since neither the paid shils nor their handlers EVER expected the United States would announce Planet X is real, they mistakenly thought that naming Nancy Lieder as the "founder" of Planet X was a safe bet as the cover up of Nibiru would hold.
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I *continue* to think such an announcement is impossible, since PX, as Nancy describes it, doesn't exist.

So now they are searching for a way to make it appear, not true of course, that Nancy Lieder does not have a long history of telling the truth via ZetaTalk and her own posts or interviews.

Big problem, eh?
 Quoting: Forget about it! 2411656


Nope, because of the easily proved observations that disprove Nancy entirely. Every eclipse, every transit, every sunrise and sunset, GPS working, sextants working, ancient navigation working, GOTO telescopes operating all combine into a wall of evidence ZT simply cannot address, let alone breach.

Cannot wait to see how they are going to try and claim that Nancy Lieder only just learned Planet X is real via the announcement, when SHE and the Zetas are the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY ones who have been telling the truth about Planet X.

Quite a dilemma, eh?
 Quoting: Forget about it! 2411656


Not if such an announcement never, ever comes. And your dilemma will be equally interesting as you wait, and wait...

...and wait...

For how long? Forever? Will you *ever* be able to even *conceive* that Nancy is merely wrong?

We are going to see who has been right all along about Planet X, and it is not the paid shills.
 Quoting: Forget about it! 2411656


And as the days drag by, with no announcement, how many years must go by *this* time before you *consider* that Nancy is merely wrong? I know I have repeated the question often, but no believer has ever truly answered.

Will you be the first? I tend to doubt it. But, as I said before, hope springs eternal.
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


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Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Planet X -- so called by scientists because it has yet to be found -- would have an elliptical solar orbit like Earth, the Kobe University team said, estimating its radius was 15 to 26 billion kilometres.

The team noted that more than 1,100 celestial bodies have been found in the outer reaches of the solar system since the mid-1990s.

Researchers have set up a theoretical model looking at how the remote area of solar system would have evolved over the past four billion years.

"In coming up with an explanation for the celestial bodies, we thought it would be most natural to assume the existence of a yet unknown planet," the university said in its statement.

Researchers at Kobe University in western Japan say theoretical calculations using computer simulations led them to conclude it was only a matter of time before the mysterious 'Planet X' was found

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That said "1,100 celestial bodies have been found" since mid-1990's - just goes to show how little modern science really knows.
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Gomes' hypothetical planet has nothing at all to do with Nancy's claims of planet X, which is supposed to be deep in the inner solar system and hiding near the sun. It's not even the same as Harrington's hypothetical planet X, which was based on perceived perturbations of Neptune and Uranus later realized to be due to an inaccurate figure for the mass of Neptune. This new theory from Gomes proposes a hypothetical planet even farther away than Harrington's, which in turn was much farther from earth than in Nancy's loony ideas. In fact, this new theory is in direct agreement with limits established for the mass/distance function of any as-yet-undiscovered planetary bodies in the far outer reaches of the solar system as seen in this paper:
[link to arxiv.org]
In other words, this theory is in direct disagreement with Nancy's claims. The substance of her claims is what matters, and that substance is in direct contradiction to the very theory you just posted. So good job, you just contradicted Nancy!
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Gomes' hypothetical planet has nothing at all to do with Nancy's claims of planet X, which is supposed to be deep in the inner solar system and hiding near the sun. It's not even the same as Harrington's hypothetical planet X, which was based on perceived perturbations of Neptune and Uranus later realized to be due to an inaccurate figure for the mass of Neptune. This new theory from Gomes proposes a hypothetical planet even farther away than Harrington's, which in turn was much farther from earth than in Nancy's loony ideas. In fact, this new theory is in direct agreement with limits established for the mass/distance function of any as-yet-undiscovered planetary bodies in the far outer reaches of the solar system as seen in this paper:
[link to arxiv.org]
In other words, this theory is in direct disagreement with Nancy's claims. The substance of her claims is what matters, and that substance is in direct contradiction to the very theory you just posted. So good job, you just contradicted Nancy!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Why do u obsess about Nancy, I'm not talking about Nancy??????

Take a step back and listen to your self?? You make fun of any one who believes in ANY TYPE of planet x... All I'm doing is offering information that can justify ones belief in a intruding planet that could effect the solar system...

No need to drag Nancy into this, If shes wrong she'll have to deal with it, and if shes right you will have to deal with it, in this life and the next.

I'm just sharing some research, the truth is out there
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
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"Since it launched on December 2, 1995 to observe the sun, SOHO has more than doubled the number of comets for which orbits have been determined over the last three hundred years," says Joe Gurman, the U.S. project scientist for SOHO at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

[link to www.sott.net]

It took SOHO ten years to spot its first thousand comets, but only five more to find the next thousand. That's due partly to increased participation from comet hunters and work done to optimize the images for comet-sighting, but also due to an unexplained systematic increase in the number of comets around the sun. Indeed, December alone has seen an unprecedented 37 new comets spotted so far, a number high enough to qualify as a "comet storm."

Maybe these are harbingers of a larger comet like planet?
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....
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"Since it launched on December 2, 1995 to observe the sun, SOHO has more than doubled the number of comets for which orbits have been determined over the last three hundred years," says Joe Gurman, the U.S. project scientist for SOHO at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

[link to www.sott.net]

It took SOHO ten years to spot its first thousand comets, but only five more to find the next thousand. That's due partly to increased participation from comet hunters and work done to optimize the images for comet-sighting, but also due to an unexplained systematic increase in the number of comets around the sun. Indeed, December alone has seen an unprecedented 37 new comets spotted so far, a number high enough to qualify as a "comet storm."

Maybe these are harbingers of a larger comet like planet?
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bump
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....
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Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??
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"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn
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Gomes' hypothetical planet has nothing at all to do with Nancy's claims of planet X, which is supposed to be deep in the inner solar system and hiding near the sun. It's not even the same as Harrington's hypothetical planet X, which was based on perceived perturbations of Neptune and Uranus later realized to be due to an inaccurate figure for the mass of Neptune. This new theory from Gomes proposes a hypothetical planet even farther away than Harrington's, which in turn was much farther from earth than in Nancy's loony ideas. In fact, this new theory is in direct agreement with limits established for the mass/distance function of any as-yet-undiscovered planetary bodies in the far outer reaches of the solar system as seen in this paper:
[link to arxiv.org]
In other words, this theory is in direct disagreement with Nancy's claims. The substance of her claims is what matters, and that substance is in direct contradiction to the very theory you just posted. So good job, you just contradicted Nancy!
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Why do u obsess about Nancy, I'm not talking about Nancy??????
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I'm not obsessed, I'm an equal opportunity debunker, but by playing the shill gambit you identify yourself with her and similar loons. But thank you for debunking zetatalk, Nancy, and all other similar PXtards who think a massive body is in or near the inner solar system.
You make fun of any one who believes in ANY TYPE of planet x...
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No, I don't. There was a legitimate scientific theory regarding planet X and Gomes is proposing a new theory that bears the same name but not the same characteristics. These are entirely distinct from the bullshit that gets spewed on this forum about "planet X" day in, day out. And it's not just Nancy, YOU'RE the one who takes offense anytime anyone says her name. The problem is bigger than her, there are a number of loons out there making similar claims including Marshall Masters who was just on C2C tonight. Nancy's 15 minutes are up, but there are others out there pushing similar loony ideas that have nothing to do with the theory you just posted. As I said, the theory you just posted is in direct contradiction with these loons. Now try actually addressing my post instead of whining about Nancy.
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