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Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??
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Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious. I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
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Because she lies. Because she instructed her members to murder their pets and murdered her own puppy. Because her forum does not allow free discussion and expects subservient acceptance of everything she says. Because there is no verifiable evidence of another planet within our solar system. Those are a few of my reasons - if you find her behaviour acceptable that is your choice. I cannot.

[link to docs.google.com (secure)]

read this, if you haven't already.
 Quoting: Elemental


I have read it, I don't trust Cos... he just seems a bit off.

Murder is a strong word there elemental, are you a vegetarian, or do u eat murdered meat. that would make you an accomplice to murder now wouldn't it... Don't forget farm animals are treated much more cruelly than the majority of pets.

I remember when your profile was a girl, you were nicer then it seems....

I'm not talking about Nancy, you are!
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Do you care to address why pluto has been found to be heating up?
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Once you address my post first.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


What would you like for me to tell you about it? I'll give it a go
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You said you were suspicious of our "bias" here and do not trust our opinions that the loonies idea of Planet X is BS. Well your article is in direct contradiction to PX claims found on this website as well as others, not just from Nancy Lieder. Do you agree that there are no unaccounted for massive planetary bodies anywhere near the inner solar system? That's what Gomes' theory suggests, in agreement with Iorio's paper on the constraints on distance/mass of any as-yet undiscovered "planet X."
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I dont consider Zecharia sitchen nor Robert harrington a "loonie" nor do I consider Father Malachi Martin to be a loonie who was quoted saying the Vatican observatory was watching an object "approaching from space" when questioned by Art Bell.

I do not agree with the article, I found it interesting that there was something perturbing the orbits of comets, which i think could be related to Zecharia Sitchens and Robert Harringtons Idea of Nibiru.
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Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.
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That makes no sense at all.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Incomplete sentence- can't parse.

I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy
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Suspicious of what? This thread was begun in response to the fact that Nancy was banning posters and deleting post on her Zetachat thread. There is no mystery about the central player in the "Planet X" hoax- it's Nancy Lieder.

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


How about because she has spent nearly all of her waking hours for over a decade promoting her story on the internet?

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
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Bias against Nancy Lieder? Well, duh... she is a chronic liar and hoaxer who has triggered dedicated debunkers of those chronic lies. It's not such a mystery.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Settle down there menow... You need to take a deep breath!!!

Breathe in....... Breathe out....

Now that you've calmed down, listen to yourself, you're full of hate and vindictiveness.

Its not me vs you, or you vs Nancy. It's just a forum where people post stuff

Not life and death matters here mate....

Calm down, no need to be so hostile... Sheesh
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The hostility was on your part with: "Shill.. Your turn", remember?

Now you're being passive/aggressive- so cute!
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Any way...

Its past midnight here so I had best catch some shut eye.

I will most likely read all the replies tomorrow, which I'm sure will be arrogant and venomous (as per usual)

Good Night debunkers, May you all sleep soundly
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Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious. I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Because she lies. Because she instructed her members to murder their pets and murdered her own puppy. Because her forum does not allow free discussion and expects subservient acceptance of everything she says. Because there is no verifiable evidence of another planet within our solar system. Those are a few of my reasons - if you find her behaviour acceptable that is your choice. I cannot.

[link to docs.google.com (secure)]

read this, if you haven't already.
 Quoting: Elemental


I have read it, I don't trust Cos... he just seems a bit off.

Murder is a strong word there elemental, are you a vegetarian, or do u eat murdered meat. that would make you an accomplice to murder now wouldn't it... Don't forget farm animals are treated much more cruelly than the majority of pets.

I remember when your profile was a girl, you were nicer then it seems....

I'm not talking about Nancy, you are!
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I don't eat meat or fish and grew up on a farm in Cornwall, UK where I still live. I have many farmer friends and I can assure you that farm animals are not mal treated in any way - at least not in my experience. I have no idea what profile you're talking about but as previously stated you have your own choices to make. As you will see bolded in my original post, you asked what the interest in Nancy was. I have simply given you my answer. Murder is certainly a strong word. Do you have a suitable replacement for it in this context?
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I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


That makes no sense at all.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Incomplete sentence- can't parse.

I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Suspicious of what? This thread was begun in response to the fact that Nancy was banning posters and deleting post on her Zetachat thread. There is no mystery about the central player in the "Planet X" hoax- it's Nancy Lieder.

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


How about because she has spent nearly all of her waking hours for over a decade promoting her story on the internet?

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Bias against Nancy Lieder? Well, duh... she is a chronic liar and hoaxer who has triggered dedicated debunkers of those chronic lies. It's not such a mystery.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Settle down there menow... You need to take a deep breath!!!

Breathe in....... Breathe out....

Now that you've calmed down, listen to yourself, you're full of hate and vindictiveness.

Its not me vs you, or you vs Nancy. It's just a forum where people post stuff

Not life and death matters here mate....

Calm down, no need to be so hostile... Sheesh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


The hostility was on your part with: "Shill.. Your turn", remember?

Now you're being passive/aggressive- so cute!
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I still believe many of you here are shills based on my observations, which is part of what makes posting here so difficult.

If you didn't all post in the same threads I wouldn't be so suspicious, but it seems so rehearsed some times and the structure of the replies is typified by the broken down sentences, and picking apart. effort few people would bother going to on a ufo forum.

Any way like I said earlier, I need to go to bed. It is some what entertaining to see how you all will reply to my comments but probably not intelligent to post in this cesspool for too much longer.

Good night again
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nor do I consider Father Malachi Martin to be a loonie who was quoted saying the Vatican observatory was watching an object "approaching from space" when questioned by Art Bell.

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Is that what he said, or are you exaggerating?
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I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious. I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Because she lies. Because she instructed her members to murder their pets and murdered her own puppy. Because her forum does not allow free discussion and expects subservient acceptance of everything she says. Because there is no verifiable evidence of another planet within our solar system. Those are a few of my reasons - if you find her behaviour acceptable that is your choice. I cannot.

[link to docs.google.com (secure)]

read this, if you haven't already.
 Quoting: Elemental


I have read it, I don't trust Cos... he just seems a bit off.

Murder is a strong word there elemental, are you a vegetarian, or do u eat murdered meat. that would make you an accomplice to murder now wouldn't it... Don't forget farm animals are treated much more cruelly than the majority of pets.

I remember when your profile was a girl, you were nicer then it seems....

I'm not talking about Nancy, you are!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


I don't eat meat or fish and grew up on a farm in Cornwall, UK where I still live. I have many farmer friends and I can assure you that farm animals are not mal treated in any way - at least not in my experience. I have no idea what profile you're talking about but as previously stated you have your own choices to make. As you will see bolded in my original post, you asked what the interest in Nancy was. I have simply given you my answer. Murder is certainly a strong word. Do you have a suitable replacement for it in this context?
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I'm sure the animals are treated fine on the farm as they are worth good money and need to be cared for, but when its off to the works they are hauled onto dark trucks and are forced down death row to their deaths to be slaughtered for some fat ass to eat some Mc Donalds. I would be more concerned about some farming practices than about a few Dogs being put to sleep humanely. While I dont agree with what was done, you have to blame each individual for being so gullible.

I appreciate your response, Good night
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nor do I consider Father Malachi Martin to be a loonie who was quoted saying the Vatican observatory was watching an object "approaching from space" when questioned by Art Bell.

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Is that what he said, or are you exaggerating?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I'm sorry, Here is the direct quote

"Knowledge of what is going on in space and of what is approaching us could be of great import"

In response to Art Bell when questioned about the Vatican Observatory.

Can you at least understand my curiosity?

Any way, good night for about the 5th time haha.
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I still believe many of you here are shills based on my observations, which is part of what makes posting here so difficult.
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So you go on the attack and pretend you didn't- how droll.

If you didn't all post in the same threads I wouldn't be so suspicious, but it seems so rehearsed some times and the structure of the replies is typified by the broken down sentences, and picking apart. effort few people would bother going to on a ufo forum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Certain people have specific interests. How is that "suspicious". I found it "suspicious" that you came on here and started attacking. "Picking apart"? It's simply responding to specific points with discrete answers- it's an adult thing and is helpful when responding to posts with lots of BS in them.

Any way like I said earlier, I need to go to bed. It is some what entertaining to see how you all will reply to my comments but probably not intelligent to post in this cesspool for too much longer.
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Sorry? Can't parse.


Good night again

Let's hope you can come back rested and with a better, non-attacking attitude next time.
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Why don't you explain why you posted that bit about Gomes and then said: "Shill.. Your turn".
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I posted it because i thought it emphasized how little we know about the solar system.

I said "Shill... your turn" because I find the way that people in this thread to be suspicious. I find it suspicious how much emphasis is placed on Nancy

I find it interesting that the same woman who has gained so much attention from every one here has also been singled out by the us naval observatory... Now I know that if i made a web site and claimed to talk to aliens nasa would not give two shits about me.. Why the interest in Nancy??

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this and I don't trust the opinions in this thread due to the level of bias I have observed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Because she lies. Because she instructed her members to murder their pets and murdered her own puppy. Because her forum does not allow free discussion and expects subservient acceptance of everything she says. Because there is no verifiable evidence of another planet within our solar system. Those are a few of my reasons - if you find her behaviour acceptable that is your choice. I cannot.

[link to docs.google.com (secure)]

read this, if you haven't already.
 Quoting: Elemental


I have read it, I don't trust Cos... he just seems a bit off.
Murder is a strong word there elemental, are you a vegetarian, or do u eat murdered meat. that would make you an accomplice to murder now wouldn't it... Don't forget farm animals are treated much more cruelly than the majority of pets.

I remember when your profile was a girl, you were nicer then it seems....

I'm not talking about Nancy, you are!
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I trust his integrity and his heart.
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All I'm doing is offering information that can justify ones belief in a intruding planet that could effect the solar system...
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Wow, in intruding planet?
And no Nancy-Tard?

You are offering a shit in information.

Where in the two mentioned articles do they say, it's an intruder?
To the contrary: They say in the article it's orbit is 225 billion kilometers away from the sun.
[link to news.yahoo.com]

Information?
No - misinformation, misleading the readers and fearmongering.

Dir Sir, you are an asshole.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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nor do I consider Father Malachi Martin to be a loonie who was quoted saying the Vatican observatory was watching an object "approaching from space" when questioned by Art Bell.

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Is that what he said, or are you exaggerating?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I'm sorry, Here is the direct quote

"Knowledge of what is going on in space and of what is approaching us could be of great import"

In response to Art Bell when questioned about the Vatican Observatory.

Can you at least understand my curiosity?

Any way, good night for about the 5th time haha.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


As I suspected, you had misrepresented his words. I think we have good reason to be "suspicious" of YOUR motives and actions, hmm?
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I still believe many of you here are shills based on my observations, which is part of what makes posting here so difficult.
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So you go on the attack and pretend you didn't- how droll.

If you didn't all post in the same threads I wouldn't be so suspicious, but it seems so rehearsed some times and the structure of the replies is typified by the broken down sentences, and picking apart. effort few people would bother going to on a ufo forum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Certain people have specific interests. How is that "suspicious". I found it "suspicious" that you came on here and started attacking. "Picking apart"? It's simply responding to specific points with discrete answers- it's an adult thing and is helpful when responding to posts with lots of BS in them.

Any way like I said earlier, I need to go to bed. It is some what entertaining to see how you all will reply to my comments but probably not intelligent to post in this cesspool for too much longer.
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Sorry? Can't parse.


Good night again
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Let's hope you can come back rested and with a better, non-attacking attitude next time.


Please drop the condescending tone. If you feel attacked, maybe it is your own guilty conscience.
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I still believe many of you here are shills based on my observations, which is part of what makes posting here so difficult.
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So you go on the attack and pretend you didn't- how droll.

If you didn't all post in the same threads I wouldn't be so suspicious, but it seems so rehearsed some times and the structure of the replies is typified by the broken down sentences, and picking apart. effort few people would bother going to on a ufo forum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Certain people have specific interests. How is that "suspicious". I found it "suspicious" that you came on here and started attacking. "Picking apart"? It's simply responding to specific points with discrete answers- it's an adult thing and is helpful when responding to posts with lots of BS in them.

Any way like I said earlier, I need to go to bed. It is some what entertaining to see how you all will reply to my comments but probably not intelligent to post in this cesspool for too much longer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Sorry? Can't parse.


Good night again
 Quoting: Menow 17887948

Let's hope you can come back rested and with a better, non-attacking attitude next time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Please drop the condescending tone. If you feel attacked, maybe it is your own guilty conscience.


Quote you: "Shill.. Your turn".
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Why is the solar system heating up (no cars on mars)

"Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest.

Odyssey has been mapping the distribution of materials on and near Mars' surface since early 2002, nearly a full annual cycle on Mars. Besides tracking seasonal changes, such as the advance and retreat of polar dry ice, the orbiter is returning evidence useful for learning about longer-term dynamics".


[link to mars.jpl.nasa.gov]

"Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
October 9, 2002

BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Williams College, the University of Hawaii, Lowell Observatory and Cornell University announced in a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's (AAS) Division for Planetary Sciences in Birmingham, AL.

The team, led by James Elliot, professor of planetary astronomy at MIT and director of MIT's Wallace Observatory, made this finding by watching the dimming of a star when Pluto passed in front of it Aug. 20. The team carried out observations using eight telescopes at Mauna Kea Observatory, Haleakala, Lick Observatory, Lowell Observatory and Palomar Observatory. Data were successfully recorded at all sites.

An earlier attempt to observe an occultation of Pluto on July 19 in Chile was not highly successful. Observations were made from only two sites with small telescopes because the giant telescopes and other small telescopes involved lost out to bad weather or from being in the wrong location that day. These two occultations were the first to be successfully observed for Pluto since 1988."


[link to web.mit.edu]

that's a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure in Pluto, which is the highest increase in any planet in the Solar system, and it is increasing as Pluto orbits away from the Sun. If the Sun is the cause for global warming in the solar system, as some scientists say, why is it that Pluto, the planet that is the farthest away from the Sun, experiencing the most severe effects, and it is getting worse and worse as it orbits away from the sun?

And there's more evidence.

"rediction of a global climate change on Jupiter
Philip S. Marcus

Top of pageJupiter's atmosphere, as observed in the 1979 Voyager space craft images, is characterized by 12 zonal jet streams and about 80 vortices, the largest of which are the Great Red Spot and three White Ovals that had formed1 in the 1930s. The Great Red Spot has been observed2 continuously since 1665 and, given the dynamical similarities between the Great Red Spot and the White Ovals, the disappearance3, 4 of two White Ovals in 1997−2000 was unexpected. Their longevity and sudden demise has been explained5 however, by the trapping of anticyclonic vortices in the troughs of Rossby waves, forcing them to merge. Here I propose that the disappearance of the White Ovals was not an isolated event, but part of a recurring climate cycle which will cause most of Jupiter's vortices to disappear within the next decade. In my numerical simulations, the loss of the vortices results in a global temperature change of about 10 K, which destabilizes the atmosphere and thereby leads to the formation of new vortices. After formation, the large vortices are eroded by turbulence over a time of 60 years—consistent with observations of the White Ovals—until they disappear and the cycle begins again."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253

And the next biased disinformation.

When did we send probes to the outer planets? 30 years ago?
Since when do we have high sensitive probes in orbit around the outer planets? Since 10 or 15 years?

Orbital periode of Pluto = 246 years.
Observation at best 30 years.

Come back with your claim, that something is wrong with Pluto when we have observed it for two or three orbits.


Again: By your leave Mr. Kiwi, you are an asshole


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."
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Talking about biased information from debunkers?

Oops, why didn't you quote another paragraph from the Yahoo article?

"Brown, who discovered Sedna, said another plausible explanation for that dwarf planet's strange behavior could be that a star swung near it early in the history of our solar system, throwing it for a loop. "Back at the time of the birth of the sun, the sun probably formed in a cluster of other stars. If true, they would have been close enough together to influence each other's outer planet systems, like where Sedna is," he said."

This I call biased information - cherry picking what fits your silly claims.


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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Do you care to address why pluto has been found to be heating up? why there has been a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure in Pluto, which is the highest increase in any planet in the Solar system, and it is increasing as Pluto orbits away from the Sun. If the Sun is the cause for global warming in the solar system, as some scientists say, why is it that Pluto, the planet that is the farthest away from the Sun, experiencing the most severe effects, and it is getting worse and worse as it orbits away from the sun?
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As said before:
Come back with your claim, something is wrong with Pluto, when we have observed two or three complete orbits.


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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I dont consider Zecharia sitchen nor Robert harrington a "loonie" nor do I consider Father Malachi Martin to be a loonie who was quoted saying the Vatican observatory was watching an object "approaching from space" when questioned by Art Bell.
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Zecharia Sitchen is.

Robert Harringtons theory was valid at his time: a planet beyond Neptun in a almost circular orbit.

And guess what: it's also mentioned in the Yahoo article:
"On the other hand, many astronomers spent much of the 1900s searching for an extra planet, dubbed Planet X, beyond the orbit of Neptune, because they believed there were anomalies in the orbits of Neptune and the other gas giants. "But it turned out that anomaly in Neptune's orbit was the result of bad observation," Levison said. The search for Planet X was called off (though some conspiracy theorists believe this was a cover up of the planet Nibiru, which they say is on a collision course for Earth.)"
Did you even read/understand the article?


Father Malachi Martin?
OMG - the christian prophecies have something in common with Poleshit-Nancys prophecies: 100% FAIL
Beginning with the first prophecy made by Simon Petrus, who expected the return of Christ during his lifetime.


I do not agree with the article, I found it interesting that there was something perturbing the orbits of comets, which i think could be related to Zecharia Sitchens and Robert Harringtons Idea of Nibiru.
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Robert Harringtons never had the idea of Niburu, he never backed Sitchin (not Sitchen, btw).


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Once you address my post first.
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What would you like for me to tell you about it? I'll give it a go
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253

You said you were suspicious of our "bias" here and do not trust our opinions that the loonies idea of Planet X is BS. Well your article is in direct contradiction to PX claims found on this website as well as others, not just from Nancy Lieder. Do you agree that there are no unaccounted for massive planetary bodies anywhere near the inner solar system? That's what Gomes' theory suggests, in agreement with Iorio's paper on the constraints on distance/mass of any as-yet undiscovered "planet X."
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I dont consider Zecharia sitchen nor Robert harrington a "loonie" nor do I consider Father Malachi Martin to be a loonie who was quoted saying the Vatican observatory was watching an object "approaching from space" when questioned by Art Bell.

I do not agree with the article, I found it interesting that there was something perturbing the orbits of comets, which i think could be related to Zecharia Sitchens and Robert Harringtons Idea of Nibiru.
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Then you will never learn, you will just continue to ignorantly post articles that actually disagree with your beliefs and ignore the parts that do. That's willful ignorance and there is nothing I can do to help you with that, you have to choose to be rational.
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Any way like I said earlier, I need to go to bed. It is some what entertaining to see how you all will reply to my comments but probably not intelligent to post in this cesspool for too much longer.

Good night again
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Don't forget to flush....
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Because she lies. Because she instructed her members to murder their pets and murdered her own puppy. Because her forum does not allow free discussion and expects subservient acceptance of everything she says. Because there is no verifiable evidence of another planet within our solar system. Those are a few of my reasons - if you find her behaviour acceptable that is your choice. I cannot.

[link to docs.google.com (secure)]

read this, if you haven't already.
 Quoting: Elemental


I have read it, I don't trust Cos... he just seems a bit off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


Dude,
I appreciate your calmness during these discussions..
However...What does "Trust" have to do with my document?

What does analyzing the claim that the Venus transit was off, has to do with trust?
(same applies to the other analysis since we are talking about public zetatalk here.)

That you don't trust me sounds like an argument to overcome the neutral, objective nature of analysis?

I mean, unlike some of their Moderators who argue "Do not trust him, he is a traitor whatever", I repeated more than once "Do not believe a word and make up your own mind"? Didn't I?

So I would be really curious what you mean by "you don't trust me"...

Because if you don't trust ME as a person, thats fine... (thats not even in conflict with ZT or pX per se),
but if you don't trust the analysis provided, then we get to an interesting point.. (Have you even replicated the examples? What was your result? Was Venus off by your calculations?)

Which one is it?

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And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


About Sedna:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
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Hey, SOHO-hunter....

it took 16 years to make pX known..
now It cannot even make itself known anymore but it needs to be announced first by Obama officially.

"Proof just keeps coming?" You say?

Yes, proof that it was BS all over.

( Question: Do you think HaleBopp was a "supernova" with years of tracking data?" and
how do you explain your "winged-globes on SOHO" (CCD pixels bleed along the readout row) wildly appearing, yet nobody can see these supposed PX-swirls whatever? )

Excuse me if you're not the mentioned SOHO-hunter... but if, I would really like to know how you deem this a rational behaviour.

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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


About Sedna:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Let's talk about something concrete. Zetatalk claims that Earth stopped orbiting the sun in 2003. Is that zetatalk claim accurate?
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Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


About Sedna:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So after all that braying on the ning about how Zetatalk supporters are banned from posting on GLP, you seem to have no problem posting here, even AFTER Nancy wrote attack articles against the site owner. Gee, I wonder if this means Nancy and ann s were lying about being banned? Yes, it does mean that.
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36477253


About Sedna:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Let's talk about something concrete. Zetatalk claims that Earth stopped orbiting the sun in 2003. Is that zetatalk claim accurate?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Summary: EARTH'S TWIRLING WOBBLE, ROCK AND ROLL BEFORE THE SHIFT -> [link to www.zetatalk.com]

Summary: THE PASSAGE, IN PROPHECY AND LEGEND -> [link to www.zetatalk.com]

ZetaTalk: June Incoming
written June 8, 2004
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for December 1, 2012: [link to www.zetatalk.com]

Use the search engine on [link to www.zetatalk.com] and [link to poleshift.ning.com] to find anything the Zetas and Nancy) have said about your wanted subject.
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Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
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Hey, SOHO-hunter....

it took 16 years to make pX known..
now It cannot even make itself known anymore but it needs to be announced first by Obama officially.

"Proof just keeps coming?" You say?

Yes, proof that it was BS all over.

( Question: Do you think HaleBopp was a "supernova" with years of tracking data?" and
how do you explain your "winged-globes on SOHO" (CCD pixels bleed along the readout row) wildly appearing, yet nobody can see these supposed PX-swirls whatever? )

Excuse me if you're not the mentioned SOHO-hunter... but if, I would really like to know how you deem this a rational behaviour.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


"Proof just keeps coming" is the title of the summary on [link to www.zetatalk.com]

I am not the SOHO-Hunter.

Talking about SOHO:

ZetaTalk: SOHO -> [link to www.zetatalk.com]
Note: written on Jun 15, 1999

ZetaTalk: SOHO Says So -> [link to www.zetatalk.com]
written December 5, 2009

SOHO Background -> [link to www.zetatalk.com]
on Sep 20, 2004
from GLP Message Board

All above links are only an excerpt of the search engine results of either [link to www.zetatalk.com] or [link to poleshift.ning.com]
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Use the search engine on [link to www.zetatalk.com] and [link to poleshift.ning.com] to find anything the Zetas and Nancy) have said about your wanted subject.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Wipe with copious amounts of toilet paper and read the residue, once again Nancy remains 100% wrong, amazing!


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