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Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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So, this is when you showed up and started promoting the "accuracy" of Zetatalk. If you don't care to take the items on that page of Zetatalk, one by one, and support them logically, then why are you here? What good are you to the Zeta-cult if you just dodge questions?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Thankfully he is no good to his cult as he sounds deranged and brainwashed. The longer he continues the more people will shy away from their madness.
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There is no question mark at the end of what you wrote, hence you came to your conclusion.

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Here was another item from me, which you ignored. Note the question mark at the end.

REPEAT: Do you believe that everything in Zetatalk is correct and can't ever be wrong?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Have you completely read and understood zetatalk yet? All the vast amount of information, more that 2000 sites if I recall correctly. When you have done so we can talk but your question will be obselet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So you refuse to answer the question. Got it- and the dodge you use to avoid discussing any SPECIFICS of Zetatalk is demanding that someone read ALL of it. How droll.
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You are willingly unable to discuss the whole thing since you don't have enough knowledge about the vast information on zetatalk. You have choosen to do so!
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Nope.Wrong again. No word games played and it is not what I have, it is what zetalk tells you.
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Zetatalk tells us things like that Earth has been halted in orbit since 2003, and that Zetatalk claim is demonstrably false. End of story.
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"Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
October 9, 2002

BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Williams College, the University of Hawaii, Lowell Observatory and Cornell University announced in a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's (AAS) Division for Planetary Sciences in Birmingham, AL.




[link to web.mit.edu]


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Left a key bit of the MIT article out:

"Elliot attributes the increase to the same lag effect that we experience on Earth--even though the sun is most intense at its highest point at noon, the hottest part of the day is around 3 p.m. Because Pluto's year is equal to 248 Earth years, 14 years after Pluto's closest approach to the Sun is like 1:15 p.m. on Earth. At the rate of Pluto's orbit, it may take another 10 years to cool down and would just be beginning to cool when the NASA New Horizons mission to Pluto, scheduled to be launched in 2006, reaches it in 2015.

Pluto's predominantly nitrogen atmosphere is in vapor pressure equilibrium with its surface ice, and can therefore undergo large changes in pressure in response to small changes in surface ice temperature. As its icy surface gets colder, it condenses into fresh white frost that reflects more of the sun's heat and gets colder still. As space dirt and objects collect on its surface, it darkens and absorbs more heat, accelerating the warming effect. Pluto has been darkening since 1954."
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Thanks. Perfect example of the 'cherry-picked' info utilized in support of the Zetatalk story.
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Have you completely read and understood zetatalk yet? All the vast amount of information, more that 2000 sites if I recall correctly. When you have done so we can talk but your question will be obselet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


I've read a bit of zetatalk and have come to the conclusion that it's stretched, strained, and screwed pseudo-science.

There are so many bad conclusions made from the tiniest of facts, that it doesn't pass the smell test.

Here's just a brief analysis:

Claim: small plane crashes increasing (all based on anecdotal evidence) - Truth: They are not (based on NTSB/FAA data analysis)

Claim: Earth is wobbling based on FY-2D weather satellite images - Truth: FY-2D is in a lisajous orbit which causes the images to infer the Earth is wobbling

Claim: Earthquakes are increasing (based on single-source data) - Truth: they are not (based on multi-source data analysis)
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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No need to do so. It is not "us" and not "we", Cos. Again you are to ignorant to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Yes it IS "us" and "we" because several of us here are asking the very same general questions. When are you going to stop dancing around and playing word games? Is that all you have in support of Zetatalk? Yes, I believe it is. Show me wrong, if you can.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Nope.Wrong again. No word games played and it is not what I have, it is what zetalk tells you. Since you haven't completely read and understood it you showed your ignorance already. You cannot discuss this because you have choosen not to do so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


I dare say that virtually no one has read the entirity of Zetatalk, including YOU. Your dodge is transparent.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I dare say that virtually no one has read the entirity of Zetatalk, including YOU. Your dodge is transparent.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Let's change that a bit and add some flavour to what you just wrote:

I dare say that virtually no one has read and understood to their best knowledge the entirity of Zetatalk.

If "they" in accordance to your "no one" would have, "they" wouldn't be on this thread, except those who want to really discuss and learn something on the subject. If you have entirely read and understood zetatalk you aren't ignorant anymore (impossible). Simple as that. But as long as you keep posting your black and white point of view questions and/or rants about the Zetas and Nancy you again were just to ignorant to understand the concept behind zetatalk.
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Nancy Talk is irrelevant to me. It is important what the Zetas have to say. My personal opinion is irrelevant to you, too because you are unwilling to read Zetatalk, hence no discussion (with you) can take place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Explain this from 2008:
[link to www.youtube.com]


@5:23
"Per the Zetas, the pole shift will not happen in 2012, but will occur before that date."


Zetas lying again.

How's that Indonesia sinking thing going? That was supposed to happen in 2010, then modified to the first few weeks of 2011.
Let's see:
December 2010 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2011 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2012 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2013 - Indonesia still stubbornly above the waves.

Zetas lying again.

How about those 3 years of global crop failure causing global famines in 2000, 2001, 2002 leading up to the PX induced pole shift in 2003?
Remember, the PS can't happen until there has been 3 years of global crop failures... the Great White Lie didn't negate that ZetaNan prediction.
So we have at least 3 years of no pole shift... correct?

Zetatards.
A special kind of stupid.


R
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Bringing up that Washington Post article again? Have you bothered to read the whole article or just the bits that Nancy has posted.

The last two sentences are the most telling:

"It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said.

"I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can."

Have you bothered to read the scientific paper that one of the quoted scientists in the article is a co-author of? In this article, they come to the conclusion that it's NOT a planet.


[link to adsbit.harvard.edu]
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Have you completely read and understood zetatalk yet? All the vast amount of information, more that 2000 sites if I recall correctly. When you have done so we can talk but your question will be obselet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


I've read a bit of zetatalk and have come to the conclusion that it's stretched, strained, and screwed pseudo-science.

There are so many bad conclusions made from the tiniest of facts, that it doesn't pass the smell test.

Here's just a brief analysis:

Claim: small plane crashes increasing (all based on anecdotal evidence) - Truth: They are not (based on NTSB/FAA data analysis)

Claim: Earth is wobbling based on FY-2D weather satellite images - Truth: FY-2D is in a lisajous orbit which causes the images to infer the Earth is wobbling

Claim: Earthquakes are increasing (based on single-source data) - Truth: they are not (based on multi-source data analysis)
 Quoting: bob_909


[...]I've read a bit[...]
 Quoting: bob_909


At least you beeing honest about beeing completely ignorant.
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Yes it IS "us" and "we" because several of us here are asking the very same general questions. When are you going to stop dancing around and playing word games? Is that all you have in support of Zetatalk? Yes, I believe it is. Show me wrong, if you can.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Nope.Wrong again. No word games played and it is not what I have, it is what zetalk tells you. Since you haven't completely read and understood it you showed your ignorance already. You cannot discuss this because you have choosen not to do so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


I dare say that virtually no one has read the entirity of Zetatalk, including YOU. Your dodge is transparent.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


I dare say that virtually no one has read the entirity of Zetatalk, including YOU. Your dodge is transparent.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Let's change that a bit and add some flavour to what you just wrote:

I dare say that virtually no one has read and understood to their best knowledge the entirity of Zetatalk.

If "they" in accordance to your "no one" would have, "they" wouldn't be on this thread, except those who want to really discuss and learn something on the subject. If you have entirely read and understood zetatalk you aren't ignorant anymore (impossible). Simple as that. But as long as you keep posting your black and white point of view questions and/or rants about the Zetas and Nancy you again were just to ignorant to understand the concept behind zetatalk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


I wasn't trying to discuss "the concept behind Zetatalk" and neither were you. You are welcome to bring that up, if you wish. Guess what... unlike on Nancy's ning, you won't be banned for doing so.

Now- What I and several others have asked you about is a demonstrable fact- whether Earth is actually halted in orbit since 2003. You refuse to discuss it. Got it.
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I dare say that virtually no one has read and understood to their best knowledge the entirity of Zetatalk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


There is no need to read the entire ZetaTalk.

ZetaTalk claims to be 100 percent accurate. If you come to the first point where it is not accurate - it's done.

For example:


Earth Wobble
ZetaTalk: a Twirling Wobble

written May 25 2004
"An Earth wobble developed in 2004, under the influence of Planet X, the Zetas first warning of the extent of this on May 25, 2004. By Nov 27, 2004 the wobble had become obvious. ...
The Figure 8 pattern was documented by people all over the world ..."

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

In 1996 Meade introduced the ETX-Series, computer aided Telescopes. The smallest, ETX-60 and ETX-70, come with the Autostar #494 that can not be updated (lates firmware still from 2001).

Please explain, how a computerised telescope, programmed in (at best) 2001 can still go to and track celestial objects, when Earth wobbles uncontrollable since 2004.

Perhaps you can ask Alberto Cardin - he owns (or owned) one. Unfortunately he never made one of his famous sun shots with his ETX.
Was it because he couldn't find Planet X and the moon swirls with the ETX? Yep - the ETX don't produce lense flares.

No Earth wobble
ZETAS WRONG AGAIN

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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Nancy Talk is irrelevant to me. It is important what the Zetas have to say. My personal opinion is irrelevant to you, too because you are unwilling to read Zetatalk, hence no discussion (with you) can take place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Explain this from 2008:
[link to www.youtube.com]


@5:23
"Per the Zetas, the pole shift will not happen in 2012, but will occur before that date."


Zetas lying again.

How's that Indonesia sinking thing going? That was supposed to happen in 2010, then modified to the first few weeks of 2011.
Let's see:
December 2010 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2011 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2012 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2013 - Indonesia still stubbornly above the waves.

Zetas lying again.

How about those 3 years of global crop failure causing global famines in 2000, 2001, 2002 leading up to the PX induced pole shift in 2003?
Remember, the PS can't happen until there has been 3 years of global crop failures... the Great White Lie didn't negate that ZetaNan prediction.
So we have at least 3 years of no pole shift... correct?

Zetatards.
A special kind of stupid.


R
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Have you even tried to search on the poleshift.ning?
[link to poleshift.ning.com] and follow the links in question #Q6 for a better understanding.
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Nancy Talk is irrelevant to me. It is important what the Zetas have to say. My personal opinion is irrelevant to you, too because you are unwilling to read Zetatalk, hence no discussion (with you) can take place.
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Of course you later changed that proviso to: "read and understand ALL of Zetatalk" so that you could avoid any discussion of specific claims. Heh..
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Nancy Talk is irrelevant to me. It is important what the Zetas have to say. My personal opinion is irrelevant to you, too because you are unwilling to read Zetatalk, hence no discussion (with you) can take place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Explain this from 2008:
[link to www.youtube.com]


@5:23
"Per the Zetas, the pole shift will not happen in 2012, but will occur before that date."


Zetas lying again.

How's that Indonesia sinking thing going? That was supposed to happen in 2010, then modified to the first few weeks of 2011.
Let's see:
December 2010 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2011 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2012 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2013 - Indonesia still stubbornly above the waves.

Zetas lying again.

How about those 3 years of global crop failure causing global famines in 2000, 2001, 2002 leading up to the PX induced pole shift in 2003?
Remember, the PS can't happen until there has been 3 years of global crop failures... the Great White Lie didn't negate that ZetaNan prediction.
So we have at least 3 years of no pole shift... correct?

Zetatards.
A special kind of stupid.


R
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No Pole Shift Before Dec 21, 2012
ZETAS WRONG AGAIN
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Last Edited by Hydra on 03/19/2013 12:55 PM
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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Have you even tried to search on the poleshift.ning?
[link to poleshift.ning.com] and follow the links in question #Q6 for a better understanding.
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In other words, whenever they are caught in a lie or failed prediction they get to make up new rules or whatever excuse and you will believe it. Heh...
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Have you even tried to search on the poleshift.ning?
[link to poleshift.ning.com] and follow the links in question #Q6 for a better understanding.
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In other words, whenever they are caught in a lie or failed prediction they get to make up new rules or whatever excuse and you will believe it. Heh...
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Nope. Wrong.
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Nancy Talk is irrelevant to me. It is important what the Zetas have to say. My personal opinion is irrelevant to you, too because you are unwilling to read Zetatalk, hence no discussion (with you) can take place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Explain this from 2008:
[link to www.youtube.com]


@5:23
"Per the Zetas, the pole shift will not happen in 2012, but will occur before that date."


Zetas lying again.

How's that Indonesia sinking thing going? That was supposed to happen in 2010, then modified to the first few weeks of 2011.
Let's see:
December 2010 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2011 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2012 - Indonesia above the waves.
January 2013 - Indonesia still stubbornly above the waves.

Zetas lying again.

How about those 3 years of global crop failure causing global famines in 2000, 2001, 2002 leading up to the PX induced pole shift in 2003?
Remember, the PS can't happen until there has been 3 years of global crop failures... the Great White Lie didn't negate that ZetaNan prediction.
So we have at least 3 years of no pole shift... correct?

Zetatards.
A special kind of stupid.


R
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Have you even tried to search on the poleshift.ning?
[link to poleshift.ning.com] and follow the links in question #Q6 for a better understanding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Yes, I've seen NanZeta squirm before when her pronouncements are obviously going to be shown to be insane.
She makes some idiotic blanket edict such as 'We aren't allowed to give a date' and that is supposed to make the embarrassing citation go away.
It doesn't.
The statement was made when NanZeta's delusions thought that the PS would definitely happen before 2012.
Damage control is not exactly accuracy.

How about Indonesia?
Crop Failures?
Satellite Failures?
No regime change in Iraq?
"Weeks, not months" back in summer 2003?
"Certain death" for the ISS occupants winter 2003-2004?
etc, etc, etc.

Zetas wrong again, and again and again and...
Almost like they were as dumb as a little old lady in Wisconsin.

Tards.


R.
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Have you even tried to search on the poleshift.ning?
[link to poleshift.ning.com] and follow the links in question #Q6 for a better understanding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


In other words, whenever they are caught in a lie or failed prediction they get to make up new rules or whatever excuse and you will believe it. Heh...
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Nope. Wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Actually, anyone with their full faculties intact would see, over time, that what I said was correct.

I was about to challenge you to support another "Zeta" false claim, but why bother, since you would simply, dance, dodge and refuse. Yawn.
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Have you even tried to search on the poleshift.ning?
[link to poleshift.ning.com] and follow the links in question #Q6 for a better understanding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


In other words, whenever they are caught in a lie or failed prediction they get to make up new rules or whatever excuse and you will believe it. Heh...
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Nope. Wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


"Nope" is not an argument. Learn that please.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision

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ZetaTalk claims to be 100 percent accurate. If you come to the first point where it is not accurate - it's done.

Another example:


Earth Twin
ZetaTalk: Earth Twin

written on Oct 15, 1995
"... your Earth has a dead twin that shares her orbit and is placed so exactly opposite the Earth that it can never be seen. ..."

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

I take the easy approach and just quote Wikipedia.
If one of the Poleshit-Ningers thinks, Wikipedia is wrong: Do the math and prove it wrong.

"... if such a planet actually existed it would be detectable from Earth, according to the laws of physics and cosmology, for a number of reasons.
* Earth's orbit is elliptical, while a Counter-Earth would have difficulty staying 180 degrees from Earth unless both planets' orbits were circular. Following Kepler's second law, a planet revolves faster when it is close to the star, so a Counter-Earth following the Earth on the same orbit with half a year of delay would sometimes be visible from Earth.
* It would have gravitational influence upon the other planets, comets and man-made probes of the Solar System. No such influence has been detected, and indeed space probes sent to Venus, Mars and other places could not have successfully flown by or landed on their targets if a Counter-Earth existed.
* Furthermore, the mass of the planet Jupiter is so great it affects the movement of the sun, preventing it from blocking the view of a planet 180 degrees from earth. Jupiter actually revolves not around the sun but a point (a "barycenter") lying outside of the Sun, which the Sun in turn revolves around. Since part of the Sun would have to lie in the barycenter to block Earth's view of a Counter-Earth, this slight effect on the position of the Sun (and the fact that this orbital rotation is not synchronous with Earth's orbit) means a Counter-Earth should sometimes be visible from Earth.
* Any planetary sized body 180 degrees from Earth should also have been visible to some space probes, such as NASA's STEREO coronagraph probes (two spacecraft launched into orbits around the sun in 2006, one farther ahead of and one behind the Earth's orbit) which would have seen the Counter-Earth during the first half of 2007. The separation of the STEREO spacecraft from Earth would give them a view of the Lagrangian "L3" point during the early phase of the mission."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Counter Earth (Earth Twin) not possible.
ZETAS WRONG AGAIN

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So, this is when you showed up and started promoting the "accuracy" of Zetatalk. If you don't care to take the items on that page of Zetatalk, one by one, and support them logically, then why are you here? What good are you to the Zeta-cult if you just dodge questions?
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The Zetatalk accuracy site [link to www.zetatalk.com] is self explaining. Read and understand.
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The Zetatalk accuracy site [link to www.zetatalk.com] is self explaining. Read and understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091

Just from that site:


Earth Wobble
ZetaTalk: a Twirling Wobble

written May 25 2004
"An Earth wobble developed in 2004, under the influence of Planet X, the Zetas first warning of the extent of this on May 25, 2004. By Nov 27, 2004 the wobble had become obvious. ...
The Figure 8 pattern was documented by people all over the world ..."

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

In 1996 Meade introduced the ETX-Series, computer aided Telescopes. The smallest, ETX-60 and ETX-70, come with the Autostar #494 that can not be updated (lates firmware still from 2001).

Please explain, how a computerised telescope, programmed in (at best) 2001 can still go to and track celestial objects, when Earth wobbles uncontrollable since 2004.

Perhaps you can ask Alberto Cardin - he owns (or owned) one. Unfortunately he never made one of his famous sun shots with his ETX.
Was it because he couldn't find Planet X and the moon swirls with the ETX? Yep - the ETX don't produce lense flares.

No Earth wobble
ZETAS WRONG AGAIN

ZetaTalk claims to be 100 percent accurate. If you come to the first point where it is not accurate - it's done.


headshot

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So, this is when you showed up and started promoting the "accuracy" of Zetatalk. If you don't care to take the items on that page of Zetatalk, one by one, and support them logically, then why are you here? What good are you to the Zeta-cult if you just dodge questions?
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The Zetatalk accuracy site [link to www.zetatalk.com] is self explaining. Read and understand.
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You keep posting that link, is it your turn today for the recruitment drive?

Lonely, were so lonely, have no members to call our own, ohhh, were so lonely.
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The Zetatalk accuracy site [link to www.zetatalk.com] is self explaining. Read and understand.
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Just from that site:


Earth Twin
ZetaTalk: Earth Twin

written on Oct 15, 1995
"... your Earth has a dead twin that shares her orbit and is placed so exactly opposite the Earth that it can never be seen. ..."

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

I take the easy approach and just quote Wikipedia.
If you think, Wikipedia is wrong: Do the math and prove it wrong.

"... if such a planet actually existed it would be detectable from Earth, according to the laws of physics and cosmology, for a number of reasons.
* Earth's orbit is elliptical, while a Counter-Earth would have difficulty staying 180 degrees from Earth unless both planets' orbits were circular. Following Kepler's second law, a planet revolves faster when it is close to the star, so a Counter-Earth following the Earth on the same orbit with half a year of delay would sometimes be visible from Earth.
* It would have gravitational influence upon the other planets, comets and man-made probes of the Solar System. No such influence has been detected, and indeed space probes sent to Venus, Mars and other places could not have successfully flown by or landed on their targets if a Counter-Earth existed.
* Furthermore, the mass of the planet Jupiter is so great it affects the movement of the sun, preventing it from blocking the view of a planet 180 degrees from earth. Jupiter actually revolves not around the sun but a point (a "barycenter") lying outside of the Sun, which the Sun in turn revolves around. Since part of the Sun would have to lie in the barycenter to block Earth's view of a Counter-Earth, this slight effect on the position of the Sun (and the fact that this orbital rotation is not synchronous with Earth's orbit) means a Counter-Earth should sometimes be visible from Earth.
* Any planetary sized body 180 degrees from Earth should also have been visible to some space probes, such as NASA's STEREO coronagraph probes (two spacecraft launched into orbits around the sun in 2006, one farther ahead of and one behind the Earth's orbit) which would have seen the Counter-Earth during the first half of 2007. The separation of the STEREO spacecraft from Earth would give them a view of the Lagrangian "L3" point during the early phase of the mission."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Earth Twin (Counter Earth) not possible.
ZETAS WRONG AGAIN

ZetaTalk claims to be 100 percent accurate. If you come to the first point where it is not accurate - it's done.

Shall I go on?


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Nancy Talk is irrelevant to me. It is important what the Zetas have to say. My personal opinion is irrelevant to you, too because you are unwilling to read Zetatalk, hence no discussion (with you) can take place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


1)I have read LOTS of Zetatalk. It's a pack of lies.

2) Apparently your opinion is not yours at all, but rather just a regurgitation of Zetatalk, right?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


To 1) I doubt what you say about having read Zetalk but you are somehow correct! I should have said: Read and understand Zetatalk. You simply haven't done so..
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No, you mean read and BELIEVE Zetatalk. I understand what is being said, and it is a pack of lies.

To 2) Like I said: you are unwilling and unable to understand or read zetatalk. To discuss or to answer your question about my opionion is irrelevant.
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You are describing a religion where your opinion is irrelevant. That's the way cults work. I'm asking if YOU believe Earth has been halted in orbit since 2003 and all you can do is refer me to your "Bible". Telling, that.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


[...]You are describing a religion where your opinion is irrelevant.[...]
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


No. I would decribe my religion as follows: obtain the Father's Love in my soul which is then transformed into the very essence of him through new birth (attribute after attribute). You could also say it is devine love when converted into the very essence of the Father. Works through faith and prayer. I Consider Jesus Christ as my brother who brought this message to all of us.

No church, no rituals, no cults, no bible, no tools needed. Just You and God having Jesus on your site.

Men should understand that you can do this while you are incarnated, while you are on the earth plane.
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Babble, Babble, Babble
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How about answering my questions?


Earth Wobble
ZetaTalk: a Twirling Wobble

written May 25 2004
"An Earth wobble developed in 2004, under the influence of Planet X, the Zetas first warning of the extent of this on May 25, 2004. By Nov 27, 2004 the wobble had become obvious. ...
The Figure 8 pattern was documented by people all over the world ..."

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

In 1996 Meade introduced the ETX-Series, computer aided Telescopes. The smallest, ETX-60 and ETX-70, come with the Autostar #494 that can not be updated (lates firmware still from 2001).

Please explain, how a computerised telescope, programmed in (at best) 2001 can still go to and track celestial objects, when Earth wobbles uncontrollable since 2004.
 Quoting: Hydra


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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So, this is when you showed up and started promoting the "accuracy" of Zetatalk. If you don't care to take the items on that page of Zetatalk, one by one, and support them logically, then why are you here? What good are you to the Zeta-cult if you just dodge questions?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


The Zetatalk accuracy site [link to www.zetatalk.com] is self explaining. Read and understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


You keep posting that link, is it your turn today for the recruitment drive?

Lonely, were so lonely, have no members to call our own, ohhh, were so lonely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9082510


You keep posting that link, is it your turn today for the recruitment drive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9082510


No.

Lonely, were so lonely, have no members to call our own, ohhh, were so lonely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9082510


I don't understand what you are saying here. I am not alone , if you mean that.
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Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So, this is when you showed up and started promoting the "accuracy" of Zetatalk. If you don't care to take the items on that page of Zetatalk, one by one, and support them logically, then why are you here? What good are you to the Zeta-cult if you just dodge questions?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


The Zetatalk accuracy site [link to www.zetatalk.com] is self explaining. Read and understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Have read. Have understood. It's a pack of falsehoods, misrepresentations and outright lies.
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Babble, Babble, Babble
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091

How about answering my questions?


Earth Wobble
ZetaTalk: a Twirling Wobble

written May 25 2004
"An Earth wobble developed in 2004, under the influence of Planet X, the Zetas first warning of the extent of this on May 25, 2004. By Nov 27, 2004 the wobble had become obvious. ...
The Figure 8 pattern was documented by people all over the world ..."

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

In 1996 Meade introduced the ETX-Series, computer aided Telescopes. The smallest, ETX-60 and ETX-70, come with the Autostar #494 that can not be updated (lates firmware still from 2001).

Please explain, how a computerised telescope, programmed in (at best) 2001 can still go to and track celestial objects, when Earth wobbles uncontrollable since 2004.
 Quoting: Hydra


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 Quoting: Hydra


Babble, Babble, Babble
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Babble! Read and understand, you are not doing it otherwise you wouldn't ask me to answer it. There is no need to explain anything to you, don't you get it? Are you lazy or what?
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No. I would decribe my religion as follows: obtain the Father's Love in my soul which is then transformed into the very essence of him through new birth (attribute after attribute). You could also say it is devine love when converted into the very essence of the Father. Works through faith and prayer. I Consider Jesus Christ as my brother who brought this message to all of us.

No church, no rituals, no cults, no bible, no tools needed. Just You and God having Jesus on your site.

Men should understand that you can do this while you are incarnated, while you are on the earth plane.
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Zetatalk is clearly the equivalent of your Bible, since whenever questions are put to you, you refer people to that for the answers.


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